Will you take the vaccine for Covid-19?

[Robert]

I cant recall but I think I was screened and didnt require anything for TB.

I dont worry about it at all.

Many animals we eat or meat of such animals have GM feed in their diets, besides I travel a lot.

Am I wrong in reading these vaccines may only protect for upto 12 months or much lesser time?

Ok, but GM is safe too. You seem to have a fear of science.

I travel a bit too, that’s why I got a yellow fever jab and certification. I would be breaking the law by re-entering the UK without it.

If the vaccine must be repeated every twelve months so be it. This thing is killing 500 Britons per day despite lockdown measures. It cannot go on. The only way out of this trap is mass vaccination.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

When governments start linking the vaccine to freedom and liberties what will the anti-vaxxers do then?

The government’s scientific advisers are divided on the idea of issuing “Covid passports” to people who are vaccinated against the disease.

Ministers have explored whether vaccination certificates could be used as a means of opening up the economy. De La Rue, a company that prints banknotes, has been named as potentially being in line to win a contract to produce them.

Janet Lord, professor of immune cell biology at the University of Birmingham, who sits on the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), told The Times yesterday that she was in favour. “I think a vaccine passport does make sense at least initially,” she said.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...id-passports-for-those-who-have-jab-gmqxn2xqj

COVID-19 vaccine passport could help facilitate EU travel, says Czech Health Minister

https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/ar...cilitate-eu-travel-says-czech-health-minister

It won’t just be travel - universities could demand the same. Just as medical students are currently required to have certain vaccinations before they start their course the same could apply to all when it comes to covid.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

I think this will become the norm across the industry.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">International air travellers will, in future, need to prove they have had Covid-19 vaccine in order to board Qantas flights, airline says<a href="https://t.co/A1SFIto2j5">https://t.co/A1SFIto2j5</a></p>— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1330928947413078018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[KingKhanWC]

It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that the vaccine will be linked to our ability to travel or not - for example, say you had to be vaccinated in order to travel to Pakistan or partake in Haj/Umrah would you still not take it?

http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20200831-coronavirus-will-you-need-an-immunity-passport-to-travel

Sure it’s a bit of a “no way that can happen” idea right now but covid has already changed so much in the world (in terms of our freedoms and liberties) that you’d be stupid to rule this out completely.

It will happen one day, Ill cross that bridge when I get to it. I dont think it will be all nations and I've visited plenty inc Saudi, so no need to go there again.

Ok, but GM is safe too. You seem to have a fear of science.

I travel a bit too, that’s why I got a yellow fever jab and certification. I would be breaking the law by re-entering the UK without it.

If the vaccine must be repeated every twelve months so be it. This thing is killing 500 Britons per day despite lockdown measures. It cannot go on. The only way out of this trap is mass vaccination.

Nothing to do with a fear of science. I prefer natural foods, remedies.

12 months is one guess, others say it could be as little as 3 months. Hope you enjoy going to doctors to be vaccinated every few months and suffer the side effects, btw which wont be fully known for a couple of years after.

 

[Robert]

Nothing to do with a fear of science. I prefer natural foods, remedies.

12 months is one guess, others say it could be as little as 3 months. Hope you enjoy going to doctors to be vaccinated every few months and suffer the side effects, btw which wont be fully known for a couple of years after.

Relying on what you call natural remedies would result in a huge rise in infant mortality, reduction in life expectancy and prevalence of crippling disease such as polio.

I say everything in the universe is natural. Are you telling me that if you get septicaemia you will refuse antibiotics?

If I have to go every three months for the vaccine so be it. I will be doing my duty to my fellow Britons. It is the only way out of this trap.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Relying on what you call natural remedies would result in a huge rise in infant mortality, reduction in life expectancy and prevalence of crippling disease such as polio.

I say everything in the universe is natural. Are you telling me that if you get septicaemia you will refuse antibiotics?

If I have to go every three months for the vaccine so be it. I will be doing my duty to my fellow Britons. It is the only way out of this trap.

Not sure there is sufficiant evidenct to suggest this. When travelling I witnessed most elderly people in conditions where they eat fresh food and use natural ingrediants. If we cant feed or quench the thirst of children around the world, we are getting ahead of ourselves with vaccinating them. The cost of such vaccines compared to food is too much.

I will take medicine when I am ill. I wont take anything if Im healthy.

My duty is firstly for my own health. Perhaps in a couple of years when the vaccines have been trialed on millions of people, I might reconsider if no side effects are shown. But atm particpents have stated side effects after the vaccine.

Either way, people should be given the choice. Its a human right to refuse anything entered into ones body.

 

[Robert]

Not sure there is sufficiant evidenct to suggest this. When travelling I witnessed most elderly people in conditions where they eat fresh food and use natural ingrediants. If we cant feed or quench the thirst of children around the world, we are getting ahead of ourselves with vaccinating them. The cost of such vaccines compared to food is too much.

I will take medicine when I am ill. I wont take anything if Im healthy.

My duty is firstly for my own health. Perhaps in a couple of years when the vaccines have been trialed on millions of people, I might reconsider if no side effects are shown. But atm particpents have stated side effects after the vaccine.

Either way, people should be given the choice. Its a human right to refuse anything entered into ones body.

Oh, come on. Evidence is incontrovertible. Smallpox is eradicated. Polio is gone in the West. Measles used to carry children off in droves - no longer. All due in some part to better sanitation and warmer houses and plentiful food, but also due to vaccination.

TB still infects 5000 Britons a year but look at the incidence graph:



BCG was introduced in 1921 and mass rolled-out by the NHS after WW2.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Oh, come on. Evidence is incontrovertible. Smallpox is eradicated. Polio is gone in the West. Measles used to carry children off in droves - no longer. All due in some part to better sanitation and warmer houses and plentiful food, but also due to vaccination.

TB still infects 5000 Britons a year but look at the incidence graph:

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BCG was introduced in 1921 and mass rolled-out by the NHS after WW2.

No link. Covid19 is similar to flu not similar to Polio. Flu vaccine has been around but flu cases are still very very high with many people dying. Again this vaccine may only work for 3 months, putting those who think they are still protected at larger risk.

Appreciate your views but nothing you have wrote has changed my view.

Again, it's a human right not to inject anything into your body you dont want to. Do you want to take my human right away?

 

[James]

Chris Whitty has confirmed that the vaccine will be voluntary, and nobody will be forced to have a vaccine.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Chris Whitty has confirmed that the vaccine will be voluntary, and nobody will be forced to have a vaccine.

It goes against medical ethics to force anything to patients.

Although I expect some blackmail tactics such as you cant do this....if you dont have the vaccine.

I wont be taking a vaccine which was rushed through, might not even work if i take it and may cause me serious ill health in the future.

98% recover, it makes no sense for me to take this and for most people to take this.

 

[sweep_shot]

Can Switzerland convince its people to take the Covid-19 vaccine?

(MENAFN - Swissinfo)

Anti-vaccination advocates have taken part in protests against measures to fight Covid-19, which they believe have stripped people of their personal freedoms. They also fear that vaccination will be made compulsory. Keystone / Urs Flueeler


With several potential coronavirus vaccines in late stages of development, the next step is convincing a large swath of the population to agree to a shot in the arm. It's a tall order in Switzerland, where the level of vaccine hesitancy is among the highest in the world.



This content was published on November 25, 2020 - 15:00 November 25, 2020 - 15:00 Geraldine Wong Sak Hoi
A stickler for detail, Geraldine first arrived at swissinfo.ch in 2014 to study rumours on social media as part of a collaborative research project known as Pheme. She now coordinates the Fact Checks by swissinfo.ch dossier covering (mis)statements about Switzerland, and continues to follow the trail of online misinformation.



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In the middle of a brutal second wave of the coronavirus that saw new daily cases hit an all-time high this autumn, a nationwide survey asked: would you get vaccinated against Covid-19?

More than a quarter of people (28%) said they would not. Nearly half (47%) were hesitant, saying they would get it only if there were no side effects, or that they would 'wait and see'.

How Swiss vaccine hesitancy compares globally
According to a large-scale study on vaccine confidence in 149 countries published in The Lancet in September 2020 and reported by Swiss public radio RTS, in recent years the Swiss have grown more hesitant about vaccines. The percentage of people who believe that vaccines are important declined between 2015 and 2019 (from 65% to 53%). Fewer people also believe that they are effective (from 50% in 2015 to 45% in 2019). Only confidence in vaccine safety increased in this period (from 30% to 33%).

The study draws in part on a 2018 study by the Wellcome Trust , which placed Switzerland among the top five countries in the world for vaccine scepticism. Some 22% of Swiss disagreed that vaccines are safe, the highest percentage in Europe after France; 9% disagreed that vaccines are important for children to have.

A poll conducted in 27 countries for the World Economic Forum this summer found that three-quarters of adults strongly or somewhat agreed with the statement, 'If a vaccine for Covid-19 were available, I would get it'. In France, the rate was 59% and in Germany it was 67%. In Switzerland, which was not included in the WEF survey, only 16% of people polled in October-November by the SBC said they would immediately get the vaccine when it becomes available.

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The survey of 40,000 people by the Swiss Broadcasting Corporation (SBC), the parent company of SWI swissinfo.ch, confirmed trends seen in previous studies showing a high degree of vaccine scepticism among the population. Internationally, the Swiss register among the lowest levels of vaccine confidence. The global pandemic, with its potent mix of uncertainty and widespread misinformation , has done nothing to quell this hesitancy.

With the roll-out of an effective Covid vaccine still months away, there is time for authorities to plan information campaigns. But there are speedbumps ahead, starting with savvy anti-vaccination advocates on social media whose rhetoric observers say risks infecting the undecided.



External Content Boom time for anti-vaxxers
To understand the scale of the online anti-vaccination movement, the UK-based Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) did an audit. It identified over 400 English-language anti-vaccination accounts on social media with 58 million followers, pushing false or misleading claims about the importance or safety of vaccines.

'Covid has been a growth opportunity for anti-vaxxers,' it states in an analysis , which reveals the most popular accounts have experienced a 19% growth in follower numbers since 2019.

For Pascal Wagner-Egger, a social psychology researcher at the University of Fribourg, this is not surprising.

'We know that in times of anxiety, there is an increase in unverified rumours and suspicions,' he said. A pandemic that lasts months, if not years, offers even greater scope for misinformation to spread and linger online.

In a sign that the anti-vaccination movement is using the pandemic to advance its political agenda, there are currently efforts to launch a people's initiative to prevent compulsory vaccination in Switzerland. Critics say this is scaremongering. Currently no such obligation exists and getting vaccinated remains an individual choice. Switzerland's approach is unique in that voters overwhelmingly rejected a law on epidemics that would have made vaccination against smallpox compulsory back in 1882, as historian Laurent Henri-Vignaud pointed out in an interview on Swiss public radio, RTS.

'The debate in Switzerland is democratic, but we still see a contradiction with vaccination policy, which comes from the top down – and it can't be otherwise, since the issue is of public interest,' he said.

Although the current Epidemics Act allows authorities to make a vaccine compulsory for certain risk groups, such as care home staff, this measure is possible only if no other option exists for getting a disease under control and would not lead to penalties for someone refusing the vaccine.

Source: https://menafn.com/1101186147/Can-Switzerland-convince-its-people-to-take-the-Covid-19-vaccine.

 

[Robert]

98% recover, it makes no sense for me to take this and for most people to take this.

Yeah, 98% recovery rate means only 1.7 million Britons are going to die, and a million more be permanently crippled with lung damage and the mental health effects of long sedation.

Your right not to feel coerced is more important that your responsibility to the lives of all those people.

 

[Robert]

No link. Covid19 is similar to flu not similar to Polio. Flu vaccine has been around but flu cases are still very very high with many people dying. Again this vaccine may only work for 3 months, putting those who think they are still protected at larger risk.

Appreciate your views but nothing you have wrote has changed my view.

Again, it's a human right not to inject anything into your body you dont want to. Do you want to take my human right away?

No link between the incidence of TB and the mass role-out of the vaccine? Look at the graph.

The comparison with flu is spurious as flu kills a few hundred a year in the UK - a figures halved by vaccination - while COVID has killed 55,000 already with no sign of slowing down. The new vaccines offer not 50% protection like the flu jab but 90% protection. If we have to keep having boosters then so be it. The antivaxx movement will become increasingly marginalised by social pressure, as responsible people look out for their communities and each other.

I want you to face your responsibility to the rest of us and get the jab.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The airline industry will be first, schools and universities will be next.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">‘Vaccine passport’ may be required tor international air travellers <a href="https://t.co/ZjERLXCOT7">https://t.co/ZjERLXCOT7</a></p>— Irish Examiner (@irishexaminer) <a href="https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1331052802756419584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The International Air Transport Association has announced that it's "in the final development phase" of a "digital passport" mobile app that would receive COVID-19 test and vaccination certificates <a href="https://t.co/NBhvc5508A">https://t.co/NBhvc5508A</a></p>— Axios (@axios) <a href="https://twitter.com/axios/status/1331153332014968832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Firebat]

You can't make a vaccine directly mandatory, but there's no reason people who refuse to be vaccinated should initially be able to extensively travel and freely transmit the virus around the world. So much work has been done to fight this virus and develop vaccines, we cannot let that work be undermined. Herd immunity will be developed far quicker the more people take the vaccine, and after that's achieved the world can open up fully.

 

[GenericBrand]

Wonder how this is going to pan out in the USA

 

[Robert]

You can't make a vaccine directly mandatory, but there's no reason people who refuse to be vaccinated should initially be able to extensively travel and freely transmit the virus around the world. So much work has been done to fight this virus and develop vaccines, we cannot let that work be undermined. Herd immunity will be developed far quicker the more people take the vaccine, and after that's achieved the world can open up fully.

There could be legislation, like how people from yellow fever areas cannot enter the U.K. without vaccination certificates.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No link between the incidence of TB and the mass role-out of the vaccine? Look at the graph.

The comparison with flu is spurious as flu kills a few hundred a year in the UK - a figures halved by vaccination - while COVID has killed 55,000 already with no sign of slowing down. The new vaccines offer not 50% protection like the flu jab but 90% protection. If we have to keep having boosters then so be it. The antivaxx movement will become increasingly marginalised by social pressure, as responsible people look out for their communities and each other.

I want you to face your responsibility to the rest of us and get the jab.

Yeah, 98% recovery rate means only 1.7 million Britons are going to die, and a million more be permanently crippled with lung damage and the mental health effects of long sedation.

Your right not to feel coerced is more important that your responsibility to the lives of all those people.

Sorry I was referring to Covid and Flu both being rrespiratory illnesses with similar symptoms.

The flu vaccine has been around for years and unlike Polio is nowhere near being eradciated. Ive not taken the flu vaccine so by the same logic I could pass the flu on which could be fatal for someone.

My choice is to do what you say, take the vaccine and not be sure it will even work. Then 10 years later I could end up with some serious illness. Or know Im healty and stay healthy. Its a no brainer, my personal health will always come before any stranger.

 

[Stewie]

When we are born, almost all of not all of us here, have received several vaccinations over a period of 3-4 years and in some cases even 10 years for girls when they get HPV vaccination.

I find it absurd some people here are “questioning the need to get vaccinated. Whether you feel you want to wait for a period of time, or not.. is not an issue as long as you do agree you will get vaccinated at some point, because not getting vaccinated is not a sensible option. This virus is not going away.. the pandemic will but like flu, you will see this virus go around during the season every year. If you don’t get flu vaccine, i can understand it, but this virus can potentially kill you or put your lungs and general health in a very bad position if you get it. I think taking a safe vaccine is a no brainer..

Unfortunately, I see these sorts of discussions all the time on social media and pretty much all over the world the opinions are divided due to the highly politicized and strange situation with this infection. Don’t be stubborn due to your political beliefs. It’s better to be safe than sorry even if you think it will only give you a mild cough.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No link between the incidence of TB and the mass role-out of the vaccine? Look at the graph.

The comparison with flu is spurious as flu kills a few hundred a year in the UK - a figures halved by vaccination - while COVID has killed 55,000 already with no sign of slowing down. The new vaccines offer not 50% protection like the flu jab but 90% protection. If we have to keep having boosters then so be it. The antivaxx movement will become increasingly marginalised by social pressure, as responsible people look out for their communities and each other.

I want you to face your responsibility to the rest of us and get the jab.

Yeah, 98% recovery rate means only 1.7 million Britons are going to die, and a million more be permanently crippled with lung damage and the mental health effects of long sedation.

Your right not to feel coerced is more important that your responsibility to the lives of all those people.

When we are born, almost all of not all of us here, have received several vaccinations over a period of 3-4 years and in some cases even 10 years for girls when they get HPV vaccination.

I find it absurd some people here are “questioning the need to get vaccinated. Whether you feel you want to wait for a period of time, or not.. is not an issue as long as you do agree you will get vaccinated at some point, because not getting vaccinated is not a sensible option. This virus is not going away.. the pandemic will but like flu, you will see this virus go around during the season every year. If you don’t get flu vaccine, i can understand it, but this virus can potentially kill you or put your lungs and general health in a very bad position if you get it. I think taking a safe vaccine is a no brainer..

Unfortunately, I see these sorts of discussions all the time on social media and pretty much all over the world the opinions are divided due to the highly politicized and strange situation with this infection. Don’t be stubborn due to your political beliefs. It’s better to be safe than sorry even if you think it will only give you a mild cough.

Ive never been vacincated for anything.

Can you guarantee me 100% there will be no serioius side effects later on in my life? Because the vaccine makers cant even guarantee it will work on me.

You are free to take it but everyone has a right do decide what is injected into their body.

 

[Stewie]

Ive never been vacincated for anything.

Can you guarantee me 100% there will be no serioius side effects later on in my life? Because the vaccine makers cant even guarantee it will work on me.

You are free to take it but everyone has a right do decide what is injected into their body.

Hows that possible? Do you live in Pakistan? I know in the UK and US schools and colleges require you to get some common vaccinations. I know if you are over or under 34, don’t recall which, you have to get it for meningitis for even university here in the US in some states.

In life there are no guarantees but most of these vaccinations are thoroughly tested to mitigate long term negative side effects. I get flu shots some years and I may get a sore arm for a day but it’s worth it.. flu can put you out for days and if getting it means I can protect my family from catching it from me if I get it, it’s a no brainer, I can deal with the discomfort for a day or two.
I fully understand your POV but I feel most of it is coming from suspicion or lack of proper understandings of how vaccinations work, most likely due to the fact your family never thought it was important enough for them to get you vaccinated and you turned out alright. But as the population grows and we are more susceptible to be in close contact with other humans, work or school, some with serious ailments who can easily spread disease or catch it from you, I think it becomes a question of being socially responsible.

If you are a Ted Nugent type who lives out in the woods in isolation, well that’s fine but for a vast majority of the world population, I feel it’s the socially conscientious thing to do.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Hows that possible? Do you live in Pakistan? I know in the UK and US schools and colleges require you to get some common vaccinations. I know if you are over or under 34, don’t recall which, you have to get it for meningitis for even university here in the US in some states.

Ive lived all my life in the UK. Growing up there was no mandatory vaccines inside or oustide of school.

In life there are no guarantees but most of these vaccinations are thoroughly tested to mitigate long term negative side effects. I get flu shots some years and I may get a sore arm for a day but it’s worth it.. flu can put you out for days and if getting it means I can protect my family from catching it from me if I get it, it’s a no brainer, I can deal with the discomfort for a day or two.
I fully understand your POV but I feel most of it is coming from suspicion or lack of proper understandings of how vaccinations work, most likely due to the fact your family never thought it was important enough for them to get you vaccinated and you turned out alright. But as the population grows and we are more susceptible to be in close contact with other humans, work or school, some with serious ailments who can easily spread disease or catch it from you, I think it becomes a question of being socially responsible.

If you are a Ted Nugent type who lives out in the woods in isolation, well that’s fine but for a vast majority of the world population, I feel it’s the socially conscientious thing to do.

You dont need to assume what I know or not.

Ive given my reason, you CANNOT guarantee I suffer no serious illnesses from this vaccine in the future. The vaccine CANNOT guarentee me not getting covid. It makes no sense for me to take something which may not work while also causing me serious side effects, when im fit and healthy.

Social responsiblity means nothing if you are putting your health in danger. Id rather not take the risk.

Btw flu vaccine isnt what you think it is. I would advise YOU to learn about this vaccine from this peer reviewed scientific report. Flu vaccine increases the risk of you infecting others.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/

You are too quick to accept what these governments say. Remember your government officials are given huge sums by donors , inc those in the phama.

 

[Stewie]

Ive lived all my life in the UK. Growing up there was no mandatory vaccines inside or oustide of school.



You dont need to assume what I know or not.

Ive given my reason, you CANNOT guarantee I suffer no serious illnesses from this vaccine in the future. The vaccine CANNOT guarentee me not getting covid. It makes no sense for me to take something which may not work while also causing me serious side effects, when im fit and healthy.

Social responsiblity means nothing if you are putting your health in danger. Id rather not take the risk.

Btw flu vaccine isnt what you think it is. I would advise YOU to learn about this vaccine from this peer reviewed scientific report. Flu vaccine increases the risk of you infecting others.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/

You are too quick to accept what these governments say. Remember your government officials are given huge sums by donors , inc those in the phama.

First of all my assumptions were based on your statements and like you said they are assumptions. Unless you prove otherwise and prevent them from being facts, I’m perfectly fine with you labeling them as assumptions.. because .. well that’s the definition of an assumption.

Second, you come from a school of thought which is becoming more and more prevalent in the US as well. Anti vaxxers.. I’m sure you have heard of them. A deep rooted suspicion of government authorities and scientific studies. If you want to believe the whole world is simply out to get you, well nothing I can do about that. But it’s proven that a lot of deadly diseases such as TB, Polio, etc were stopped from spreading simply because of these vaccinations. So while you might get away with not getting them, a lot of lives have been saved due to these vaccines and overall good work of people in the medical and healthcare professions. All these well established vaccines (yes I am not lumping any potential covid-19 vaccine in the mix here), have been tested and retested and proven to have far less consequences as side effects, as one could face without them. So the choice is yours.

Last, the study you cited, I suggest you read it in its entirety. I did.
At best, it’s inconclusive, and it’s findings that some of the subjects developed lack of immunity to other respiratory infections and spread them could be artifactual. Besides the consequences are far less severe because most URTIs this study researched, do not require medical attention. (That’s literally the last line of the paper)

With that being said, I will reiterate that the covid-19 vaccine is going to be the odd one here. I am myself skeptical and probably won’t take it right away unless mandated by work, government, etc in which case I have no choice. But if it is absolutely proven to not cause any long term side effects, especially if they are nowhere close in severity to covid-19, I would not hesitate. I come from a family of healthcare workers and I know I can trust them and their opinion. You may not have that level of comfort in your social circle and I fully empathize with that. To each their own.

 

[KingKhanWC]

First of all my assumptions were based on your statements and like you said they are assumptions. Unless you prove otherwise and prevent them from being facts, I’m perfectly fine with you labeling them as assumptions.. because .. well that’s the definition of an assumption.

Second, you come from a school of thought which is becoming more and more prevalent in the US as well. Anti vaxxers.. I’m sure you have heard of them. A deep rooted suspicion of government authorities and scientific studies. If you want to believe the whole world is simply out to get you, well nothing I can do about that. But it’s proven that a lot of deadly diseases such as TB, Polio, etc were stopped from spreading simply because of these vaccinations. So while you might get away with not getting them, a lot of lives have been saved due to these vaccines and overall good work of people in the medical and healthcare professions. All these well established vaccines (yes I am not lumping any potential covid-19 vaccine in the mix here), have been tested and retested and proven to have far less consequences as side effects, as one could face without them. So the choice is yours.

Last, the study you cited, I suggest you read it in its entirety. I did.
At best, it’s inconclusive, and it’s findings that some of the subjects developed lack of immunity to other respiratory infections and spread them could be artifactual. Besides the consequences are far less severe because most URTIs this study researched, do not require medical attention. (That’s literally the last line of the paper)

With that being said, I will reiterate that the covid-19 vaccine is going to be the odd one here. I am myself skeptical and probably won’t take it right away unless mandated by work, government, etc in which case I have no choice. But if it is absolutely proven to not cause any long term side effects, especially if they are nowhere close in severity to covid-19, I would not hesitate. I come from a family of healthcare workers and I know I can trust them and their opinion. You may not have that level of comfort in your social circle and I fully empathize with that. To each their own.

I think you're getting too wraped in social climates and what makes people believe etc. I dont give two hoots what anyone I know thinks, I make my mind up based on my own reasoning and logic..you should do the same too.

Appreciate your reply but my views stands, I wont be taking anything which I dont need , which may not work and which may make me seriously ill in the future. You can take my vaccine too if you like

 

[Third_Umpire]

Anti-vax is just another stance the disenfranchised take; goes nicely with a deep distrust of government, a penchant for conspiracy theories, rebellion against science and reason and a belief in the supernatural, and a longing for a different world where they matter and belong.

 

[classic]

There were a lot of anti vaxers in London yesterday protesting and they are growing in numbers by the day.

 

[Robert]

I think you're getting too wraped in social climates and what makes people believe etc. I dont give two hoots what anyone I know thinks, I make my mind up based on my own reasoning and logic..you should do the same too.

Appreciate your reply but my views stands, I wont be taking anything which I dont need , which may not work and which may make me seriously ill in the future. You can take my vaccine too if you like

That’s the problem - you don’t get to have your own reasoning and logic. There is only one reasoning and logic. It’s external to us, though we can apply it.

What you have been applying is your own prejudice and ignorance of how medical science works, while rejecting evidence that contradicts your assumptions.

 

[Robert]

There were a lot of anti vaxers in London yesterday protesting and they are growing in numbers by the day.

They will reduce as social pressure builds on them to take the vaccine. They won’t respond to the fall in COVID cases because that would mean considering actual evidence and feeling a bit thick afterwards.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That’s the problem - you don’t get to have your own reasoning and logic. There is only one reasoning and logic. It’s external to us, though we can apply it.

What you have been applying is your own prejudice and ignorance of how medical science works, while rejecting evidence that contradicts your assumptions.

This makes no sense at all. My logic is simple, you cannot guarantee this vaccine will not give me serious health problems in the future and you cannot guarantee this will even work if i take it.

I have no issue with others taking it, its their right to choose but it's also my right to not take it.

 

[Stewie]

I think you're getting too wraped in social climates and what makes people believe etc. I dont give two hoots what anyone I know thinks, I make my mind up based on my own reasoning and logic..you should do the same too.

Appreciate your reply but my views stands, I wont be taking anything which I dont need , which may not work and which may make me seriously ill in the future. You can take my vaccine too if you like

I don’t even know where to begin. May I ask what are you by profession? And I don’t mean any disrespect here, believe me.

I am an engineer by training. I studied science most of my life. I believe in the scientific method. What’s more, I come from a family of doctors so I know first hand what is going on in the hospitals and around the world.

If you believe in science and logic, it is not as you said “wrapped in social climates”
Just like you choose to believe whatever it is you believe (hence my question to get a better understanding of where you are coming from), I choose to believe in the hard, undeniable and indisputable facts of science. I believe I can back my POV here with total emotional detachment and cold logic. Vaccines work. They have made the world a safer place and the life expectancy of people much higher. Child mortality rates are down simply because of these advancements in vaccines.

But again, like you said, you can choose to believe whatever you want to, that's hour right but you simply cannot Pooh Pooh my belief either because it doesn’t align with yours. Especially when I can back mine up with facts and scientific evidence.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don’t even know where to begin. May I ask what are you by profession? And I don’t mean any disrespect here, believe me.

I am an engineer by training. I studied science most of my life. I believe in the scientific method. What’s more, I come from a family of doctors so I know first hand what is going on in the hospitals and around the world.

If you believe in science and logic, it is not as you said “wrapped in social climates”
Just like you choose to believe whatever it is you believe (hence my question to get a better understanding of where you are coming from), I choose to believe in the hard, undeniable and indisputable facts of science. I believe I can back my POV here with total emotional detachment and cold logic. Vaccines work. They have made the world a safer place and the life expectancy of people much higher. Child mortality rates are down simply because of these advancements in vaccines.

But again, like you said, you can choose to believe whatever you want to, that's hour right but you simply cannot Pooh Pooh my belief either because it doesn’t align with yours. Especially when I can back mine up with facts and scientific evidence.

In England we have a saying, play the ball not the man. Lets stick to the debating points, Im not interested in who you are , this is not fb where we are here to make friends.

Give me 2 YES OR No answers please, not what your favourite meal is.

1.You have wrote 'vaccines work'. This is not entirely true. The covid vaccine is not GUARANTEED to work, it may work. Do you accept I might take the vaccine and it MAY NOT work? YES OR NO?

2. Can you guarantee me I will not have serious health issues in 10 years? YES OR NO?

 

[Stewie]

But you are not talking about just covid vaccine, you are expressing your opinion about vaccines in general and your opinion is very alarming to say the least. I have already expressed my views regarding the covid vaccine previously.

By the way why are you seeking any assurances here from us? We are just sharing views or debating. I’m not here to argue the efficacy of anything. You should really go consult a healthcare professional for that.

By the way did you discuss the benefits of other vaccines children are supposed to get in most countries with anyone? I suggest you do that first before you worry about covid 19. Because if you are not getting your children or planning to not get your yet to be born children, I think it will really help you to talk to a doctor to get a second or even third opinion.

 

[KingKhanWC]

But you are not talking about just covid vaccine, you are expressing your opinion about vaccines in general and your opinion is very alarming to say the least. I have already expressed my views regarding the covid vaccine previously.

By the way why are you seeking any assurances here from us? We are just sharing views or debating. I’m not here to argue the efficacy of anything. You should really go consult a healthcare professional for that.

By the way did you discuss the benefits of other vaccines children are supposed to get in most countries with anyone? I suggest you do that first before you worry about covid 19. Because if you are not getting your children or planning to not get your yet to be born children, I think it will really help you to talk to a doctor to get a second or even third opinion.

We cant have a discussion if you ignore simple questions. Leave other vaccines to one side for now, they are not relevant to the thread or to my life. Can you please answer the Yes or No questions, there are only 2.

 

[Stewie]

We cant have a discussion if you ignore simple questions. Leave other vaccines to one side for now, they are not relevant to the thread or to my life. Can you please answer the Yes or No questions, there are only 2.

O bhai how can you expect me to answer that question? Meray konsey rishteydar Pfizer ya Astrazeneca mein Lagey huey hein?
Do you even realize how absurd that question is? I am not the guy you want to ask that question. Go ask a doctor? Then come back and share with us what you found out..

 

[KingKhanWC]

O bhai how can you expect me to answer that question? Meray konsey rishteydar Pfizer ya Astrazeneca mein Lagey huey hein?
Do you even realize how absurd that question is? I am not the guy you want to ask that question. Go ask a doctor? Then come back and share with us what you found out..

The answers are easy. No and No. This doesnt need a doctor to answer, the manufacturers have already confirmed it's not 100% to work and they cannot guarantee no long term health issues.

Thanks for the replies brother, please update me when you take the vaccine and if you suffer any immediate side effects, it will be interesting to read. I hope you dont of course.

 

[Stewie]

The answers are easy. No and No. This doesnt need a doctor to answer, the manufacturers have already confirmed it's not 100% to work and they cannot guarantee no long term health issues.

Thanks for the replies brother, please update me when you take the vaccine and if you suffer any immediate side effects, it will be interesting to read. I hope you dont of course.

Thats just hilarious. I will definitely do that if I take it. But I’m amazed how would much rather hear from a random stranger than consult with a doctor on the subject. Just amazed!

I guess that’s the world we live in today. Don’t know if I’ll be here a year or two or ten or twenty from now but you will surely hear from me.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Thats just hilarious. I will definitely do that if I take it. But I’m amazed how would much rather hear from a random stranger than consult with a doctor on the subject. Just amazed!

I guess that’s the world we live in today. Don’t know if I’ll be here a year or two or ten or twenty from now but you will surely hear from me.

Im taking my info from the manufacturers of the vaccine, please read carefully. They are scientists and doctors. Good luck, hope the side effects are minimul.

 

[Stewie]

Im taking my info from the manufacturers of the vaccine, please read carefully. They are scientists and doctors. Good luck, hope the side effects are minimul.

Well then perhaps you should share with us what you find and link us to your sources before God forbid some of us make a stupid decision. I will certainly review what you share with us before I finalize my decision.

 

[miandadrules]

Im taking my info from the manufacturers of the vaccine, please read carefully. They are scientists and doctors. Good luck, hope the side effects are minimul.

Just to summarise UC.

You don’t need to worry about taking the vaccine as you have a “strong immune system”. You have also said you haven’t worn a face mask etc...because you have a “strong immune system”

However, you won’t take the virus because it may make you ill and cause long term effects?

 

[miandadrules]

Just to summarise UC.

You don’t need to worry about taking the vaccine as you have a “strong immune system”. You have also said you haven’t worn a face mask etc...because you have a “strong immune system”

However, you won’t take the virus because it may make you ill and cause long term effects?

Sorry, it’s meant to be the other way round

 

[Indiafan]

Im taking my info from the manufacturers of the vaccine, please read carefully. They are scientists and doctors. Good luck, hope the side effects are minimul.

No you are not. You are taking it from right wing propaganda sources

 

[Indiafan]

There are only 2 options people will have sooner or later. You either get the vaccine or the disease. The vaccine will have the dead virus protein, even with side effects. Full virus contraction will always be worse

 

[Indiafan]

The answers are easy. No and No. This doesnt need a doctor to answer, the manufacturers have already confirmed it's not 100% to work and they cannot guarantee no long term health issues.

Thanks for the replies brother, please update me when you take the vaccine and if you suffer any immediate side effects, it will be interesting to read. I hope you dont of course.

Dude you realize the side effects are because of the virus protein right? So the side effects are the symptoms of a weak covid infection. You are saying you wont take the vaccine, which will have weakned virus proteins but will rather contract actual COVID and get the full disease?

How does that make any sense to anyone? The side effects, the long term impact, etc are because of a weak Covid like infection.

You have only 2 choices, get the vaccine or get COVID. I am baffled you think side effect of a weak, dead virus is somehow sacring you more than the actual disease. If you believe a dead virus will cause long term effects, an actual live virus will cause a thousand times more. Yet you chose the later?

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Sigh.......

People sign NDAs before working on stuff like Vaccines and life saving drugs that can potentially change the course of history. No manufacturer would ever disclose any details, such as those that are being shared and vouched for in this thread.

I only work in Tech and the NDA clause is something companies would absolutely destroy a person over if it ever sees the light of day 'unofficially i.e.'. Over here we are talking about a game changing potential drug which could be one of the key moments in human history.

The drug won't have 'leaked' information as some might be suggestion, we would only get to know once it's out in the open i.e. consumed by people who will be vaccinated.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I won't.

 

[classic]

I find it strange to learn the drug companies exempt from any liabilities?

 

[Robert]

This makes no sense at all. My logic is simple, you cannot guarantee this vaccine will not give me serious health problems in the future and you cannot guarantee this will even work if i take it.

I have no issue with others taking it, its their right to choose but it's also my right to not take it.

If you were actually applying logic, you would follow your argument through - you cannot guarantee that COVID will not kill or cripple you, and your family and friends you may infect.

No, you are not applying logic, this is about your emotions - not wanting to be told what is good for you and your family and community and nation.

This isn’t just about you. If the vaccine works in 90% of cases it reduces the death toll and permanent disablement toll by 90%. That’s got to be good, right?

 

[Mamoon]

COVID vaccine will be made mandatory by government across the globe. Some people are not intelligent or sensible enough to have the right to make the choice, as demonstrated by a few in this thread.

 

[gani999]

COVID vaccine will be made mandatory by government across the globe. Some people are not intelligent or sensible enough to have the right to make the choice, as demonstrated by a few in this thread.

Absolutely. The vaccine will be eventually forced on people like how the smallpox vaccine was in the 1960s and 1970s. It's all for good. The anti vaxxer morons should be vaccinated at gunpoint if necessary.

 

[Indiafan]

I won't.

Pretty sure a vaccine will be mandatory to go to work, school, colleges, travel, etc.

 

[Indiafan]

COVID vaccine will be made mandatory by government across the globe. Some people are not intelligent or sensible enough to have the right to make the choice, as demonstrated by a few in this thread.

Yep. They might not break into your homes to vaccinate you. But if you want to do anything, go to work, school, college, travel anywhere, flights, trains, buses, crossing state borders, use public facilities, theaters, sports, anything, you will need to show proof of vaccination

 

[Robert]

COVID vaccine will be made mandatory by government across the globe. Some people are not intelligent or sensible enough to have the right to make the choice, as demonstrated by a few in this thread.

Probably in dictatorships, but I don’t think that will happen in democracies.

There will however be policy instruments deployed to limit certain freedoms for those who choose not to - denial of passage through ports for example. Perhaps rock festivals will insist that ticket holders bring proof of vaccination.

 

[MenInG]

COVID vaccine will be made mandatory by government across the globe. Some people are not intelligent or sensible enough to have the right to make the choice, as demonstrated by a few in this thread.

Really?

==

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55193939

President-elect Joe Biden says Americans won't be forced to take a coronavirus vaccine when one becomes available in the US.

It comes as the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for the first time urged "universal mask use" indoors, unless when Americans are at their own home.

The CDC said the US had "entered a phase of high-level transmission" of the virus.

On Friday the US recorded over 2,500 deaths and nearly 225,000 new cases.

It has confirmed 14.3 million cases and more than 278,000 deaths.

Mr Biden - who is due to take office on 20 January - also said he expected his inauguration to be a scaled-back event without large crowds because of coronavirus concerns.

"My guess is there'll still be a platform ceremony but I don't know how it's all going to work out," he said.

What is Biden's policy on vaccines?
Pfizer, which says its vaccine has been shown to be 95% effective in clinical trials, and Moderna, which says its jab is 94% effective, have both applied to the Food and Drug Administration to distribute their drugs in the US.

The UK on Wednesday became the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer vaccine.

Earlier on Friday Vice-President Mike Pence said during a visit to Atlanta's CDC that federal approval for a Covid-19 vaccine could be "a week-and-a-half away."

Speaking in Wilmington, Delaware, the US president-elect said it would not be necessary to make a coronavirus vaccine mandatory.

"I will do everything in my power as president to encourage people to do the right thing and when they do it, demonstrate that it matters," he said.

The Pew Research Center says just 60% of Americans are currently prepared to take a coronavirus vaccine, up from 51% who said the same in September.

On Thursday Mr Biden told CNN he would be happy to take a vaccine in public to allay potential concerns about its safety. Three former presidents - Barack Obama, George W Bush and Bill Clinton - have said they are also prepared to be inoculated publicly.

Mr Biden has also reiterated his call for Americans to wear a mask for 100 days - a measure that he said combined with vaccine distribution would see deaths "drop off the edge".

"My hope is they will then be inclined to say it's worth the patriotic duty to go ahead and protect other people," Mr Biden said.

 

[MenInG]

Black Panther actress Letitia Wright appears to have deleted her social media accounts after sharing a video that suggested a COVID-19 vaccine would "make extra limbs grow".

The video appeared on a channel called On The Table and Wright faced a fierce backlash, with her Marvel co-star Don Cheadle describing it as "hot garbage".

After responding to followers questioning her decision, Wright, 27, seemed to claim she had been "cancelled".

Both her Twitter and Instagram accounts have since become unavailable.

In a post on her Twitter account before it was removed, she wrote: "My intention was not to hurt anyone, my only intention of posting this video was it raised my concerns with what the vaccine contains and what we are putting in our bodies. Nothing else."

After replying to a number of followers who criticised her post, she wrote: "If you don't conform to popular opinions, but ask questions and think for yourself....you get cancelled."

There is concern that anti-vaxxers will damage take-up of COVID-19 vaccines, hindering efforts to get the virus under control.

Labour's shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, recently described anti-vax content on social media as "poison" and "garbage" and called for emergency legislation to clamp down on it.

In the video, presenter Tomi Arayomi, who describes himself on Facebook as an "internationally received and recognised prophet", said he hopes the vaccine does not "make extra limbs grow", adding: "Hope to God you don't develop children that have 11 fingers and 12 toes."

He also talked about Luciferase, something "allegedly being added to the COVID vaccine to detect those who have not taken it".

He added: "Luciferase, named by its founder after Lucifer?"

Luciferase is, in fact, a generic term for a class of oxidative enzymes that produce bioluminescence - the production and emission of light by a living organism.

Mr Arayomi said he is a "big sceptic of needles and vaccinations in general", and thinks "the body should be able to produce the right antibodies to fight things".

https://news.sky.com/story/black-pa...l-media-after-sharing-anti-vax-video-12152951

 

[Saj]

The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

The Department of Health and Social Care has confirmed the company has been given an indemnity protecting it from legal action as a result of any problems with the vaccine.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

The Department of Health and Social Care has confirmed the company has been given an indemnity protecting it from legal action as a result of any problems with the vaccine.

So who will be liable to pay compensation for any unforeseen after effects? Will the UK govt pick up the tab?

 

[Robert]

So who will be liable to pay compensation for any unforeseen after effects? Will the UK govt pick up the tab?

I guess so, there is a “vaccine damage” claims page on gov.uk.

Looks like vaccinated people will get a card as certificate. Good, because more and more airlines, train operators and venues will demand to see it before allowing admittance.

 

[The Viper]

COVID-19 vaccine: UK regulators warn people with history of 'significant' allergic reactions not to have Pfizer/BioNTech jab

UK regulators have issued a warning that people who have a history of "significant" allergic reactions should not currently receive the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

It comes after two NHS staff members who had the jab yesterday experienced allergic reactions.

They developed "anaphylactoid reaction" symptoms shortly after being injected, and are now understood to be recovering.

Both have a significant history of allergies and have to carry adrenaline.

The pair are among thousands of people who received the first dose of the jab yesterday, as the biggest vaccination programme in the UK's history got under way.

The UK became the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer vaccine last week, with care home workers, hospital patients and NHS staff, among others, getting the first jabs.

The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has given precautionary advice to NHS trusts that anyone who has a history of "significant" allergic reactions to medicines, food or vaccines should not receive the vaccine.

NHS England said all trusts involved with the vaccination programme have been informed and from Wednesday, all patients scheduled to receive the Pfizer vaccine will be asked if they have a history of allergic reactions.

In a statement, Pfizer UK said: "We have been advised by MHRA of two yellow card reports that may be associated with allergic reaction due to administration of the COVID-19 BNT162b2 vaccine.

"As a precautionary measure, the MHRA has issued temporary guidance to the NHS while it conducts an investigation in order to fully understand each case and its causes. Pfizer and BioNTech are supporting the MHRA in the investigation.

"In the pivotal phase 3 clinical trial, this vaccine was generally well tolerated with no serious safety concerns reported by the independent Data Monitoring Committee. The trial has enrolled over 44,000 participants to date, over 42,000 of whom have received a second vaccination."

Sky's Thomas Moore says: "The regulator is likely to investigate what may have caused the reactions. The vaccine contains RNA, the genetic material of the coronavirus, as well as a liquid to stabilise and dilute it during the injection.

"Some vaccines already carry health warnings for people prone to allergic reactions - people who have an egg allergy are told not to have certain brands of flu vaccine because they are grown in eggs.

"Many scientists believe RNA vaccines are 'purer' and less likely to cause side effects."

Dr June Raine, the head of the MHRA, told a joint select committee hearing that "real-time vigilance" would continue even now the vaccine had been deployed.

"Even last evening we were looking at two case reports of allergic reactions.

"We know from the extensive clinical trials that this was not a feature, but if we need to strengthen our advice now that we have had this experience in vulnerable populations, the groups selected as a priority, we get that advice out immediately."

A spokeswoman for Pfizer said its vaccine was "well tolerated" during the trials, with "no serious safety concerns".

"We have been advised by MHRA of two yellow card reports that may be associated with allergic reaction due to administration of the COVID-19 BNT162b2 vaccine," they added.

"As a precautionary measure, the MHRA has issued temporary guidance to the NHS while it conducts an investigation in order to fully understand each case and its causes. Pfizer and BioNTech are supporting the MHRA in the investigation.

"In the pivotal phase three clinical trial, this vaccine was generally well tolerated with no serious safety concerns reported by the independent Data Monitoring Committee. The trial has enrolled over 44,000 participants to date, over 42,000 of whom have received a second vaccination."

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...ions-not-to-have-pfizer-biontech-jab-12155916

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Four Volunteers Develop Facial Paralysis Symptoms After Taking Pfizer Vaccine Shots

The drug regulator has maintained that it was not clear what led to Bell's Palsy in the aforesaid volunteers. Reports have it that regulators have asked doctors to constantly monitor side-effects of the vaccine.

https://www.india.com/news/world/co...ng-pfizer-vaccine-shots-details-here-4256315/

 

[KingKhanWC]

Allergic reactions and Facial Paralysis hasnt made me think otherwise.

Has anyone on here taken the vaccine? Please reply....unless you are simply physically unable to.

 

[Robert]

Allergic reactions and Facial Paralysis hasnt made me think otherwise.

Has anyone on here taken the vaccine? Please reply....unless you are simply physically unable to.

Unless at-risk, it will be a long time before any Britons here are vaccinated. I’m probably oldest on PP and I don’t expect it will get to me before spring. I will tell you ASAP.

 

[Saj]

I'll play it safe and give it some time before taking the vaccine.

I want to see if there are any side-effects first.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Unless at-risk, it will be a long time before any Britons here are vaccinated. I’m probably oldest on PP and I don’t expect it will get to me before spring. I will tell you ASAP.

Few already have inc health workers. Youre still a spring chicken Robert, dont be harsh on yourself.

Please do let us know , hope you stay well.

I'll play it safe and give it some time before taking the vaccine.

I want to see if there are any side-effects first.

Smart move.

 

[ahsan17]

I will try to take it as soon as my turn comes.

 

[Firebat]

Pope urges coronavirus vaccine access for all

Pope Francis has called on world leaders to ensure unfettered access to coronavirus vaccines for everyone.

In a Christmas Day address delivered online for the first time, the pontiff warned against putting up "walls" to treatments.

The pandemic meant this year the annual Urbi et Orbi message was not presented from the balcony at St Peter's Basilica to huge crowds, as is tradition.

Instead the Pope spoke from a lectern in a chamber inside the Vatican.

Pope Francis' warning comes amid concerns that wealthier countries are buying up disproportionate doses of vaccines to the detriment of poorer ones.

"May the Son of God renew in political and government leaders a spirit of international cooperation, starting with health care, so that all will be ensured access to vaccines and treatment," he said.

"In the face of a challenge that knows no borders, we cannot erect walls. All of us are in the same boat."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55445783

 

[sweep_shot]

23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: officials

Twenty-three people died in Norway within days of receiving their first dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, with 13 of those deaths — all nursing home patients — apparently related to the side effects of the shots, health officials said.

Common reactions to the vaccine, including fever and nausea, “may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients,” Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency, said in a Friday statement.

All 13 were nursing home patients and at least 80 years old. While officials aren’t expressing serious concern, they are adjusting their guidance on who should receive the vaccine.

The news comes just over a week after officials reported the deaths of just two nursing home residents after they received the Pfizer jab.

More than 30,000 people in Norway have received the first shot of the Pfizer or Moderna coronavirus vaccine in the Scandinavian country since late last month, according to official figures.

“We are not alarmed by this,” Steinar Madsen, medical director with the agency, told Norwegian broadcaster NRK. “It is quite clear that these vaccines have very little risk, with a small exception for the frailest patients.”

“Doctors must now carefully consider who should be vaccinated,” he added. “Those who are very frail and at the very end of life can be vaccinated after an individual assessment.”

The agency reported Thursday that a total of 29 people had suffered side effects, including the 13 people who died.

Twenty-one women and eight men experienced side effects, officials said.

Besides those who died, nine had serious side effects — including allergic reactions, strong discomfort and severe fever — while seven had less serious ones, including severe pain at the injection site.

In total, more than 57,000 cases and 500 coronavirus-related deaths have been reported in Norway, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Health officials noted that around 400 people die each week in the nursing home population.

A Pfizer rep said the pharmaceutical giant is “aware of reported deaths” following the administration of the vaccine in Norway and is working with the Norwegian Medicines Agency “to gather all the relevant information.”

“Norwegian authorities have prioritized the immunization of residents in nursing homes, most of whom are very elderly with underlying medical conditions and some which are terminally ill,” a spokeswoman said in a statement. “[The Norwegian Medicine Agency confirms] the number of incidents so far is not alarming, and in line with expectations.”

“All reported deaths will be thoroughly evaluated by [the agency] to determine if these incidents are related to the vaccine,” she added. “The Norwegian government will also consider adjusting their vaccination instructions to take the patients’ health into more consideration.”

Source: https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/.

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], look at this. This is not good.

 

[ahsan17]

Source: https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/.

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], look at this. This is not good.

So they died because of the minor fever that you generally get after getting the vaccine? It seems to me that there should be a way to identify these people and not give them the vaccine.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So they died because of the minor fever that you generally get after getting the vaccine? It seems to me that there should be a way to identify these people and not give them the vaccine.

Norway urgently changes Covid vaccine guidance after 23 die in days following Pfizer jab

NORWAY has reported 23 elderly people have died just days after taking the COVID-19 vaccine.

A spokeswoman for the company said: "Norwegian authorities have prioritised the immunisation of residents in nursing homes, most of whom are very elderly with underlying medical conditions and some which are terminally ill.

"(The Norwegian Medicine Agency confirms) the number of incidents so far is not alarming, and in line with expectations.

"All reported deaths will be thoroughly evaluated by (the agency) to determine if these incidents are related to the vaccine.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...-Pfizer-jab-23-dead-Norway-coronavirus-update

Sad RIP. Norway is doing exactly as you suggested now.

This is isnt a one off case, similar cases of this vaccine in other places around the world.

 

[Firebat]

Los Angeles Covid-19 vaccine centre 'closed by protests'

A Covid-19 vaccination centre at the Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles was forced to close for an hour on Saturday after protests by anti-vaccine and far-right groups, local media report.

Around 50 protesters stalled motorists who had been waiting for hours.

The demonstrators carried placards decrying the effectiveness of the vaccine.

Protesters told people to "turn back", while one man shouted: "You're a lab rat", the Los Angeles Times reported.

The Los Angeles Fire Department closed the entrance to the stadium around 14:00 local time (22:00 GMT) as a precaution.

The Los Angeles Police Department tweeted that it "did NOT close the gates" to the stadium and all scheduled vaccines would be delivered.

California Governor Gavin Newsom tweeted that that stadium was "back up and running".

"This is completely wrong," German Jaquez, who had been waiting for a jab, told the Times.

"I've been waiting for weeks to get an appointment. I am a dentist; I am taking a big risk being around patients. I want to be safe for my patients and for my family. The vaccine is the only way to beat the virus."

A post on social media called the protest the "Scamdemic Protest/March".

"This is a sharing information protest and march against everything COVID, Vaccine, PCR Tests, Lockdowns, Masks, Fauci, Gates, Newsom, China, digital tracking, etc." it said.

Protesters carried placards with slogans including: "Save Your Soul Turn Back Now", "CNN is lying to you", and "Take off your mask".

The stadium was eventually reopened around an hour later.

California has been one of the worst-hit states in the US, with around 3.2 million cases and more than 40,000 deaths.

More than 439,000 people have lost their lives to the virus in the country.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55875263

 

[Technics 1210]

Vaccines effective between 78% and 90% across all 5 in distribution. Some are now heading to phase 3 trial (which should've been conducted before release). Lower effective rates with new variants (still the hypothesis).

Lockdown (not vaccines) attributed to the slow rate of new infections according to governments. Lockdown in UK extended till March.

Survival rate of C19 without vaccines in the UK is 98%.

The only beneficiaries of the vaccines are Big Pharma.

Don't fall for the hype. Give it time till there is evidence of vaccines actually working until then, line your pockets by buying shares in Big Pharma.

 

[HitWicket]

Don't fall for the hype. Give it time till there is evidence of vaccines actually working until then, line your pockets by buying shares in Big Pharma.

Out of interest, what's your reasoning for not believing the data already available from clinical trials?

 

[Firebat]

Covid-19: Study showing Oxford vaccine slows virus spread 'superb' - UK Health Minister

Results that show the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine might reduce the spread of coronavirus have been hailed as "absolutely superb" by the health secretary.

Matt Hancock said the study shows "vaccines are the way out of this pandemic".

It is the first time a vaccine has been shown to reduce transmission of the virus.

The UK has given a first Covid jab to more than 10 million people so far.

The results of the study, which has not yet been formally published, suggest that the vaccine may have a "substantial" effect on transmission of the virus.

It means the jab could have a greater impact on the pandemic, as each person who is vaccinated will indirectly protect other people too.

Mr Hancock called the study "really encouraging" on Twitter, adding that the results were "absolutely superb".

Speaking on BBC Breakfast, he said this latest analysis showing the vaccine reduces transmission would "help us all get out of this pandemic".

Mr Hancock said passing the 10 million mark for people who have received a first dose was a "hugely significant milestone", tweeting that "every jab makes us all a bit safer".

The study by the University of Oxford, where the vaccine was developed, measured the impact on transmission by testing for asymptomatic infections, swabbing participants every week in addition to recording when anyone fell ill with Covid-19.

As well as showing an effect on transmission, the study found the vaccine offered 76% effective protection from a single dose for three months.

With no fall in protection during the three-month period, the researchers said the results supported gaps between first and second doses of between four and 12 weeks.

The effectiveness of the vaccine increased with a longer gap of 12 weeks before the booster jab.

When the second dose is given, the study found the level of protection from the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine rises to 82%.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55913913

 

[Robert]

Looks like Muslim communities in Bradford are more resistant to taking the vaccine than others.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55952189

 

[Pakpak]

Taken mine today at work.

Wish this disease never existed. One of our closest friend has her parents and sister ,(in her v early 40) all admitted in hospital..the mother's prognosis looks good but the father and brother have been given really poor prognosis and both have their lives hanging in the balance.

It's sad but I guess no point in such posts as they're repeated non stop.

 

[shaz619]

Looks like Muslim communities in Bradford are more resistant to taking the vaccine than others.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55952189

Racist article, selective use of statistics to single out a community

 

[Robert]

Racist article, selective use of statistics to single out a community

Eh? It sampled all Bradford communities.

 

[Robert]

Mrs Robert got her first Pfizer jab yesterday, I am relieved to say. No side effects so far.

 

[ahsan17]

Looks like Muslim communities in Bradford are more resistant to taking the vaccine than others.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55952189

In general Pakistan has less vaccine hesitancy than western countries, but a disproportinate amount of Pakistani community in the UK comes from less educated and rural areas, so this isn't surprising.

 

[shaz619]

Mrs Robert got her first Pfizer jab yesterday, I am relieved to say. No side effects so far.

How do you know it was Pfizer, do they specify which one you’re getting / did she have a say in that regard?

 

[IAJ]

I am suffering from covid-19 virus. I tested positive some 12 days ago. Had mild fever a couple of days and feel very tired. My biggest issue was that when I had fever I felt very nauseous. I am recovering now Alhamdulillah. Stay safe.