Will you take the vaccine for Covid-19?

[Stewie]

Great profits for the manufactures.

Without them most of us would have lost probably over 50% of our families. You wanna whine about their profits, what about their immense benefits?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Without them most of us would have lost probably over 50% of our families. You wanna whine about their profits, what about their immense benefits?

This is a strange conclusion. You are saying 50% of the planet would have perished if not for vaccines.

I never suggested there were no benefits to those who need such protection, stop making up your own conclusions from a single sentence.

 

[Stewie]

This is a strange conclusion. You are saying 50% of the planet would have perished if not for vaccines.

I never suggested there were no benefits to those who need such protection, stop making up your own conclusions from a single sentence.

Yes, I am saying that and it’s not a strange conclusion if you lot at the cause and effect of lower infant mortality rates and other medicinal advancement with the enormous population explosion this planet has seen. Smallpox, chickenpox, polio, tuberculosis, these are all diseases which are deadly at some point in human history. If you didn’t have vaccines, yes, we would be looking at far far fewer people in this world right now.

I really don’t see how that be looked at as a strange conclusion.

 

[Stewie]

Whining about vaccine manufacturers profiting is like whining about automobile manufacturers profiting from the people’s need to have cars or moaning the fact Apple, Google, MS make so much money just because their products have become a necessity for us.

 

[Robert]

This is a strange conclusion. You are saying 50% of the planet would have perished if not for vaccines.

I never suggested there were no benefits to those who need such protection, stop making up your own conclusions from a single sentence.

The population of the planet would be lower because the infant mortality rate was so much higher before mass vaccination. Measles slaughtered kids once, but now it is a very rare killer in the West. I would not have survived childhood but for all the vaccines I took. Measles or TB would have taken me out.

 

[Pakpak]

You can’t compare both as Israel primarily got vaccinated with Pfizer which has 95% efficacy and the major contributor in Chile’s vaccination programme was Sinovac which has only 50% efficacy. Still from the article you shared it says,

People over 70, most of whom have already been vaccinated, have almost disappeared from our emergency rooms. Now we have younger patients, but some gravely ill.

In Israel also younger population are getting infected but hospitalisation is gradually decreasing after getting their second dose. See the graph in the article that i shared.

Vaccination does decrease the cases but the quality of vaccine also matters i think.

Exactly this. Since the vaccine came out the amount of older covid patients has gone down drastically. Don't remember the last one I saw. But I've still seen younger people who are very serious.

I got the Pfizer myself. No real bad symptoms except muscle pain in the arm for a day.

 

[MenInG]

Exactly this. Since the vaccine came out the amount of older covid patients has gone down drastically. Don't remember the last one I saw. But I've still seen younger people who are very serious.

I got the Pfizer myself. No real bad symptoms except muscle pain in the arm for a day.

Same here - pretty seamless

 

[IMMY69]

Just got my first dose

AstraZeneca

 

[BreadPakoda]

Getting my second dose in a few days. Hope everything goes fine.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes, I am saying that and it’s not a strange conclusion if you lot at the cause and effect of lower infant mortality rates and other medicinal advancement with the enormous population explosion this planet has seen. Smallpox, chickenpox, polio, tuberculosis, these are all diseases which are deadly at some point in human history. If you didn’t have vaccines, yes, we would be looking at far far fewer people in this world right now.

I really don’t see how that be looked at as a strange conclusion.

50% is a high number. Please back up this claim with some data.

Eg. Covid19 98% recover, without a 100% effective vaccine only 2% would die. The vaccine is nowhere near 100%, Oxford is less than 70%. According to you without vaccines the population of the planet would be 3.5 billion not 7 billion. Very strange idea you have.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Although I have received my first jab, I still believe there are many unanswered questions. E.g., exactly how long does the immunity through vaccine last? Is it any better than the immunity one gets after getting infected by the rona?

 

[ahsan17]

Although I have received my first jab, I still believe there are many unanswered questions. E.g., exactly how long does the immunity through vaccine last? Is it any better than the immunity one gets after getting infected by the rona?

Roughly half of the health workers had experienced a mild or asymptomatic infection. And a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine increased their antibody levels more than 140-fold from their peak levels before being inoculated, the study said. That appeared to give them better protection against the coronavirus than two doses of the vaccine did in people who had never been infected, the researchers wrote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/26/world/pfizer-vaccine-protection.html

Apparently an infection + single dose gives better immunity than 2 doses with no infection. However you'd still get more than sufficient protection with 2 doses.

 

[kaayal]

What are your thoughts on the Oxford vaccine?

One of the best. I am glad that it’s available for my parents.

Here is a list of few vaccines with its efficacy values.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/03/06/new-data-show-that-leading-covid-19-vaccines-have-similarly-high-efficacy?fbclid=IwAR3KcVMK8deK61wGKwX7TUmUdGKjPNGXLAiMWZy0KpS-FC0ad5-rf73hKus

 

[King-Misbah]

One of the best. I am glad that it’s available for my parents.

Here is a list of few vaccines with its efficacy values.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/03/06/new-data-show-that-leading-covid-19-vaccines-have-similarly-high-efficacy?fbclid=IwAR3KcVMK8deK61wGKwX7TUmUdGKjPNGXLAiMWZy0KpS-FC0ad5-rf73hKus

Thank you for the input, I was conscious about the blood clots but that does seem exaggerated.

Pzifer seems the best jab.

 

[ahsan17]

Answer this

Canada has had abysmal vaccination rates

Yet Canada too has seen declines in cases and deaths similar to countries like US which has had much more aggressive vaccinations

Canada has had much stronger lockdown and social distancing/mask measures, with public that is largely compliant. OTOH, Canada's vaccination was absolutely horrific a month or two ago, but is now ramping up massively. It's probably 1.5 months behind where it should be.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Although I have received my first jab, I still believe there are many unanswered questions. E.g., exactly how long does the immunity through vaccine last? Is it any better than the immunity one gets after getting infected by the rona?

Not sure what to make of this but interesting read.

Over 12,000 People Test Positive for COVID-19 in Israel after Receiving Pfizer Vaccine
As per reports, there 69 people who had even taken their second jab of the vaccine had also tested positive for the virus.

New Delhi: In a major blow to the efficacity of Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine, over 12, 400 who have been administered the vaccine have tested positive for the deadly coronavirus disease in Israel. As per reports, there 69 people who had even taken their second jab of the vaccine had also tested positive for the virus. Also Read - China Says Will Study Mandatory Covid-19 Vaccine Rule To Indian Students

According to Israel’s health ministry, total 1,89,000 people were tested after they received Pfizer’s vaccine and 6.6 per cent of the people still tested positive for COVID-19. Israel’s vaccination drive began on December 19 wherein the elderly and people with comorbidities were prioritized for the vaccine shots. Health officials said that over a quarter of its citizens have already received the Pfizer Inc. vaccine so far, out of which, nearly 3.5 per cent have already got their second dose.

https://www.india.com/news/world/ov...srael-after-receiving-pfizer-vaccine-4347102/

 

[KingKhanWC]

One of the best. I am glad that it’s available for my parents.

Here is a list of few vaccines with its efficacy values.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/03/06/new-data-show-that-leading-covid-19-vaccines-have-similarly-high-efficacy?fbclid=IwAR3KcVMK8deK61wGKwX7TUmUdGKjPNGXLAiMWZy0KpS-FC0ad5-rf73hKus

Its one of the worst in terms of efficiency, even WHO admits this.

How efficacious is the vaccine?

The AZD1222 vaccine against COVID-19 has an efficacy of 63.09% against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection.

https://www.who.int/news-room/featu...zeneca-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know

 

[ahsan17]

Not sure what to make of this but interesting read.



https://www.india.com/news/world/ov...srael-after-receiving-pfizer-vaccine-4347102/

There's not much to make of it. The 6.6% is within the efficacy range. In addition, it seems like the bulk of these people had only taken 1 dose, which means the vaccine is highly effective even after 1 dose.

 

[KingKhanWC]

There's not much to make of it. The 6.6% is within the efficacy range. In addition, it seems like the bulk of these people had only taken 1 dose, which means the vaccine is highly effective even after 1 dose.

Sure, I understand this.

The bigger picture is Israel is one of the most vaccinated 'nations', yet it's in a 3rd lockdown with an avg of still around 1500 people daily.

Most in UK will have the Oxford vaccine which is only has a 63% efficency. Looks like tranmissions will continue and we are stuck with this virus. Arguably also having the vaccine might send some people into a false sense of security, as mutations can evade the vaccine. Those who have the vaccine will need boosters reguarly.

 

[ahsan17]

Sure, I understand this.

The bigger picture is Israel is one of the most vaccinated 'nations', yet it's in a 3rd lockdown with an avg of still around 1500 people daily.

Most in UK will have the Oxford vaccine which is only has a 63% efficency. Looks like tranmissions will continue and we are stuck with this virus. Arguably also having the vaccine might send some people into a false sense of security, as mutations can evade the vaccine. Those who have the vaccine will need boosters reguarly.

That number has dropped from around 8k to 1.5k, so it's pretty good. About half of their population has had second dose, so there's still a ton of people that are not fully vaccinated.

The AZ trials weren't conducted as well as others. It seems like data suggests if you give their vaccine 3 months apart you get a much higher efficacy. UK seems to be doing that.

There's a good chance that we'll be stuck with the virus, but if people are largely vaccinated then it will be as strong as a common cold, with basically no hospitalizations or deaths. All vaccines prevent hospitalizations and deaths at a 100% rate so far, which is great. If the virus effects the human body like a common cold then it will be easy to open up again.

Booster shots are a possibility - not clear how often though. Every year might be too much. Every 3-5 years is probably more reasonable.

 

[BreadPakoda]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/26/world/pfizer-vaccine-protection.html

Apparently an infection + single dose gives better immunity than 2 doses with no infection. However you'd still get more than sufficient protection with 2 doses.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Not sure what to make of this but interesting read.



https://www.india.com/news/world/ov...srael-after-receiving-pfizer-vaccine-4347102/

These numbers makes sense. Only 69 people who had taken both doses got infected. That's only 0.036% of the sample (although sample also contains people who had taken only one dose).

Even 6.6% people getting infected after one dose is not unexpected when the efficacy (after one dose) is about 80-85%.

According to Israel’s health ministry, total 1,89,000 people were tested after they received Pfizer’s vaccine and 6.6 per cent of the people still tested positive for COVID-19.

 

[ahsan17]

Interesting results from the AZ trial held in the US that just came out today.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56479462

Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.

More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.

The vaccine was 79% effective against stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill.

And there were no safety issues regarding blood clots.

This is a better comparison to the Pfizer and Moderna trials which were held in the US. Although I suspect (not clear from the data I could find) that these trials were held when the variants were becoming more mainstream, so it's still not a complete apples to apples comparison. It does seem to me that the AZ vaccine is highly effective and there's no reason to prefer other vaccines.

 

[IMMY69]

Almost twenty hours since I had my AZ jab.
Took a couple of paracetamols before bed (as precaution) and touch wood so far no side affects whatsoever.

 

[kaayal]

Its one of the worst in terms of efficiency, even WHO admits this.



https://www.who.int/news-room/featu...zeneca-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know

63% is when the 2 doses of AstraZeneca vaccine are given at an interval of 4 weeks. The same article that you shared also says this: “Longer dose intervals within the 8 to 12 weeks range are associated with greater vaccine efficacy.”

In the latest US trial study it says that vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill. Considering this study was conducted in a population with virus variants, it’s really really good.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56479462

 

[Robert]

Unfortunately the Kent variant is now killing young people in increasing numbers.

Hearing awful stories of long COVID death or disablement after hospitalisation. The thing damages all tissues - heart, kidneys and brain as well as lungs. Lots of people released from hospital are dying of heart failure or organ failure or have cognitive problems or mobility problems.

I urge everyone to protect themselves and others by getting vaccinated.

 

[IMMY69]

So now both myself and the Mrs have both had the AZ jab.
I had zero side affects despite an immune disorder. The wife had a bit pain in the arm and a headache but was fine in a say or so.

I now know more people who've had the first jab than those that haven't.. all of them are touchwood well..

I feel good that I've done my bit for the country.

 

[James]

Got a somewhat unexpected invite for my vaccine this week, I imagine because I am a registered (unpaid) carer for my Dad. Just had it this afternoon. Got the AZ. Feel fine so far apart from having a dull and heavy left arm. I will keep you all updated on any side effects in this thread!

 

[shaz619]

Received my invite like a month or so ago, not going to take it as I feel there are more worthy people who need it especially with the short supplies

 

[BreadPakoda]

Second jab due this week. Did anyone here get an antibody test after the first or second jab?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Second jab due this week. Did anyone here get an antibody test after the first or second jab?

I recieved an anti body test a week into lockdown. People younger than me in their 20's have been offered a vaccine but nothing so far for me. Not sure if the two are linked.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I recieved an anti body test a week into lockdown. People younger than me in their 20's have been offered a vaccine but nothing so far for me. Not sure if the two are linked.

IMO doesn't make sense to get a vaccine when you already have sufficient antibodies. Not saying you have, but if you did.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I was contemplating getting an antibody test done this week and then deciding whether to go for the second jab or not. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to go and get the test done.

 

[gazza619]

Had my 1st jab of Astra-Zeneca today. Feeling fine Alhumdulilah.

 

[KingKhanWC]

IMO doesn't make sense to get a vaccine when you already have sufficient antibodies. Not saying you have, but if you did.

I wont take the vaccine because im fully confident my immune system is strong enough. Unless there is a new strain in a few years which is far more serious.

The P1 strain in Brazil seems more serious, it's killing under 60's now and a big number too.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I wont take the vaccine because im fully confident my immune system is strong enough. Unless there is a new strain in a few years which is far more serious.

The P1 strain in Brazil seems more serious, it's killing under 60's now and a big number too.

Well if the test proves that you have about the same or more antibodies than someone who has received the vaccine, then I see no reason for you to take the vaccine. I wouldn't trust my own judgement, though - without taking the antibody test, that is.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Had my 1st jab of Astra-Zeneca today. Feeling fine Alhumdulilah.

Have you been recommended a 6-week break between the two jabs? India increased it from 4 to 6.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Have you been recommended a 6-week break between the two jabs? India increased it from 4 to 6.

I presume that's because of supply chain issues than anything to do with therapeutic evidence.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I presume that's because of supply chain issues than anything to do with therapeutic evidence.

The National Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation had arrived at its decision in a meeting last week. At the meeting, "strong scientific rationale was presented" that a 4-8 week is most suitable for Indians.

A Lancet report early this month had showed that a longer gap before the second shot makes for a higher efficacy rate (as much as 90%), compared to if given after 4-6 weeks of the first.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ccine-doses/articleshow/81633273.cms?from=mdr

Not going to lie, all these new "discoveries" make me feel uncomfortable.

 

[BreadPakoda]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: NACI officially recommends AstraZeneca <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID19</a> vaccine not be used in adults under 55 "while the safety signal of Vaccine-Induced Prothrombotic Immune Thrombocytopenia (VIPIT) following vaccination" is investigated further, as <a href="https://twitter.com/CBCNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CBCNews</a> reported.<a href="https://t.co/J2ZrsPNB6d">https://t.co/J2ZrsPNB6d</a></p>— Lauren Pelley (@LaurenPelley) <a href="https://twitter.com/LaurenPelley/status/1376618654784176129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Suleiman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: NACI officially recommends AstraZeneca <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID19</a> vaccine not be used in adults under 55 "while the safety signal of Vaccine-Induced Prothrombotic Immune Thrombocytopenia (VIPIT) following vaccination" is investigated further, as <a href="https://twitter.com/CBCNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CBCNews</a> reported.<a href="https://t.co/J2ZrsPNB6d">https://t.co/J2ZrsPNB6d</a></p>— Lauren Pelley (@LaurenPelley) <a href="https://twitter.com/LaurenPelley/status/1376618654784176129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

After the blood clot incident no way I’m going near this hit or miss 2 number vaccine.

Pfizer zindabad

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ccine-doses/articleshow/81633273.cms?from=mdr

Not going to lie, all these new "discoveries" make me feel uncomfortable.

Thanks for the clarification.

I can't really blame the authorities, it's a stab in the dark scenario when it comes to creating an effective vaccine in the middle of a pandemic. It'll necessarily have to be trial and error.

 

[Giannis]

After the blood clot incident no way I’m going near this hit or miss 2 number vaccine.

Pfizer zindabad

luckily we're american, we only got pfizer and moderna. Feel bad for rest of the world.

 

[gazza619]

Have you been recommended a 6-week break between the two jabs? India increased it from 4 to 6.

I was advised by the NHS nurse that i will get a text for when i am eligible for the next jab. I cant exactly remember but I think she said 12 weeks.

 

[IMMY69]

I managed to get both bookings at the same time which is unusual.

No one I know has been able to do this so not sure how I managed it.

1st Appointment was 21/03/2021

2nd Appointment is for 11:55am on 09/06/2021

 

[OMB]

I managed to get both bookings at the same time which is unusual.

No one I know has been able to do this so not sure how I managed it.

1st Appointment was 21/03/2021

2nd Appointment is for 11:55am on 09/06/2021

Isnt that odd? I hear you need to take both the shots within a 3 to 4 weeks space.

 

[IMMY69]

Isnt that odd? I hear you need to take both the shots within a 3 to 4 weeks space.

I was told two to three months is the ideal gap...
At least for the AZ vaccine

 

[IMMY69]

From the NHS Website:-

How the COVID-19 vaccine is given

Unquote

The COVID-19 vaccine is given as an injection into your upper arm.

It's given as 2 doses. You will have the 2nd dose 3 to 12 weeks after having the 1st dose.

You will have 2 doses of the same vaccine.

Quote

 

[James]

I had 2.5 days of side effects. Vaccine shot was day 0. Pronounced fatigue and noticeable muscle aches all over on day 1. Some lesser muscle aches on day 2. And a headache today, for the morning only. But all gone now. Back to 100%.

 

[Stewie]

IMO doesn't make sense to get a vaccine when you already have sufficient antibodies. Not saying you have, but if you did.

I was wondering the same thing and I tried searching around and found this:

https://theconversation.com/do-i-still-need-to-get-a-covid-vaccine-if-ive-had-coronavirus-157599

Also this:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

I think it’s worth it.

 

[MenInG]

KARACHI: Pakistan received the first shipment of 60,000 doses of single-dose Chinese vaccine Convidecia, developed by the CanSino Biologics Inc, in Islamabad Tuesday night.

Officials of the National Health Services, Regulations and Coordination (NHSR&C) confirmed the vaccine arrival. They said distribution to provinces and other federating units will start today (Wednesday).

“A commercial flight carrying 60,000 doses of Chinese single-dose vaccine Convidecia has just landed at Islamabad International Airport and it is being shifted to the federal storage. Its distribution to provinces and other federating units would commence from Wednesday,” an official of the NHSR&C was quoted as saying by The News.

Read more: A doctor’s guide for the elderly before getting a COVID-19 vaccine

This vaccine will only be given to people over 80 years of age as per instructions from the National Command and Operation Center (NCOC), he said, adding that separate Adult Vaccination Centers (AVCs) will be made for it.

According to an NCOC communique to all the federating units, this single-dose vaccine is being given only to those over 80 to avoid them from visiting vaccination centers for a second time.

“Owing to its availability in small quantity, it is recommended that it should only be administered in large cities with high number of COVID-19 cases,” the NCOC directives say, adding that the vaccination record of Convidecia should also be maintained separately.

NCOC has instructed that no vaccination be done outside the National Immunization Management System (NIMS), which means that without registration, nobody should be vaccinated with a single-dose. Although the vaccine will be available at all walk-in facilities, registration will be mandatory at the newly established AVCs.

Private firm AJM Pharmaceutical Limited is also importing 10,000 doses of the CanSino coronavirus vaccine. It will be sold initially to three private hospitals in Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi where its trials were held.

The Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan (DRAP) has recommended a maximum retail price (MRP) of Rs4,225 for the single dose Chinese Convidecia vaccine in Pakistan, although the federal cabinet has to approve and notify the price, an AJM official said.

DRAP's registration board had given emergency use authorisation to CanSino Biologics’s single-dose vaccine in the second week of February 2021 after the Chinese manufacturer released interim efficacy results from a multi-country trial, which included Pakistan, showing 65.7% efficacy in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 cases and a 90.98% success rate in stopping severe infections.

 

[OMB]

From the NHS Website:-

How the COVID-19 vaccine is given

Unquote

The COVID-19 vaccine is given as an injection into your upper arm.

It's given as 2 doses. You will have the 2nd dose 3 to 12 weeks after having the 1st dose.

You will have 2 doses of the same vaccine.

Quote

Relaxation from 3 weeks to 12 weeks maybe due to the fact that they have shortage of vaccines.
Read it in some articles that most of EU facing shortages.

I took my Sinopharm shots in Dubai and was told to strictly take second dose after 21 days and no later than 28 days.
Have completed both my doses. What is shocking is that some of my colleagues have contracted Covid-19 even after completing both the doses.

 

[Saj]

Had the vaccination today.

Bit of a sore arm and a headache, but so far I'm still around

 

[BreadPakoda]

Had my second jab. The side effects have been more severe this time around. Having high temperature, fatigue, and nausea. Have been in bed the entire day. Feeling terrible

 

[KingKhanWC]

Had my second jab. The side effects have been more severe this time around. Having high temperature, fatigue, and nausea. Have been in bed the entire day. Feeling terrible

Hope you feel better asap.

Is it like a moderate or severe flu type symptoms or something you've no experience before?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Had my second jab. The side effects have been more severe this time around. Having high temperature, fatigue, and nausea. Have been in bed the entire day. Feeling terrible

Which one did you get?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Hope you feel better asap.

Is it like a moderate or severe flu type symptoms or something you've no experience before?

Thanks bro. Its severe but not something I've never experienced before.

Which one did you get?

Pfizer

 

[BreadPakoda]

The side effects lasted a day and I'm fine now.

 

[Firebat]

European rights court backs mandatory pre-school vaccines in Czech Republic

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) has backed the Czech Republic in its requirement for mandatory pre-school vaccinations.

The case was brought by families who were fined or whose children were refused entry to pre-schools because they had not been vaccinated.

In a landmark ruling, the court found that while the Czech policy interfered with the right to a private life, there was a need to protect public health.

All the cases pre-date the pandemic.

However, the issue of routine childhood vaccinations has come under increasing scrutiny due to the spread of Covid-19.

This is the first ruling from the ECHR on compulsory vaccination against childhood diseases.

The judges backed the Czech legislation by 16 to 1.

"The... measures could be regarded as being 'necessary in a democratic society'" the court said, adding: "The objective has to be that every child is protected against serious diseases, through vaccination or by virtue of herd immunity."

Under the Czech rules, parents are legally obliged to vaccinate their children against a number of childhood diseases unless this is not possible for health reasons.

However, the jabs cannot be forcibly given and unvaccinated children cannot be excluded on this basis once they reach primary school age.

In one of the five cases involving pre-school exclusions, a family refused to allow their daughter to received the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) jab.

The child joined the school in 2006 but her place was withdrawn two years later when the family doctor informed the headteacher that the child had not received the vaccination. A Czech court later backed the school's decision on the grounds that allowing the child to continue to go to the pre-school could endanger others.

Other parents had been refused pre-school places, while one father was fined for failing to fully vaccinate his children.

The Czech Republic is not the only EU country with mandatory childhood vaccinations.

Last year, a law came into effect in Germany requiring all parents to vaccinate their children against measles or face a fine of up to €2,500 ($3,000; £2,160).

France and Italy have also changed their vaccine rules following a measles outbreak in recent years, while similar suggestions were made in England amid falling uptake of the MMR jab in England in 2018-19.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56669397

 

[Saj]

Had the AstraZeneca vaccine.

No side effects or issues.

All fine.

 

[mazkhan]

Its simple the trust in the Oxford vaccine has been compromised and i wouldn't believe the waffling mumbling boris for one second just remember bse mad cow disease and thalidomide both under the tories when the lied and said nothing was wrong .

just remember that they were giving thalidomide for 4/5yrs from days of the racist Winston Churchill before they banned it for the damage it caused.

 

[Saj]

NHS England is to cancel all booked first-dose coronavirus vaccinations for adults under 30 from tomorrow after the change in advice over the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine.

From tomorrow, anyone aged between 18 and 29 who has been scheduled to have the AstraZeneca vaccine will have their appointment cancelled and they will be told to contact their GP to discuss their preference.

It is thought the cancellations will affect several thousand people who were booked for a vaccine, including younger health and social care workers, unpaid carers and people living with relatives who have a compromised immune system.

On Wednesday, concerns about the possible link between the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab and rare blood clots triggered a change in advice from the government’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), which said anyone under 30 should be offered an alternative vaccine as a precaution.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Its simple the trust in the Oxford vaccine has been compromised and i wouldn't believe the waffling mumbling boris for one second just remember bse mad cow disease and thalidomide both under the tories when the lied and said nothing was wrong .

just remember that they were giving thalidomide for 4/5yrs from days of the racist Winston Churchill before they banned it for the damage it caused.

The same people voted or backed bombing of other countries knowing full well many civilians will be killed.


Its very difficult to find the total number of deaths due to blood clots in the world right now.

Information is hidden, ive never seen such stamping on freedom of speech, everywhere you look , google, youtube, social media anyone with a different view from them is banned or deleted.

The sheep will never understand there is a larger agenda at play here.

 

[Nadeemp]

took my fist dose today. no issues

 

[BreadPakoda]

Have recommended family and friends to delay their AZ jab. Waiting for more clarity.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Have recommended family and friends to delay their AZ jab. Waiting for more clarity.

Sensible.

UK and WHO knew the results of the initial study from Norway which confirmed the link but supressed this info to the public, instead using pressure tactics such as vaccine passports to scare people into taking it asap.

I still cant find the number of deaths due to this vaccine worldwide.

 

[Robert]

Its simple the trust in the Oxford vaccine has been compromised and i wouldn't believe the waffling mumbling boris for one second just remember bse mad cow disease and thalidomide both under the tories when the lied and said nothing was wrong .

just remember that they were giving thalidomide for 4/5yrs from days of the racist Winston Churchill before they banned it for the damage it caused.

I don’t believe a word Johnson says.

I believe the science, and the statisticians, because that’s how I was educated.

The Thalidomide disaster occurred between 1958 and 1963 after Churchill left office so I have no idea why you have made this specious reference. The drug was manufactured in Germany and prescribed throughout Europe. After withdrawal in 1963, the regulatory framework for new medicines was strengthened across Europe. The drug was not authorised in the USA at the time because a pharmacologist named Kelsey at the FDA was not convinced of its research and testing record.

Thalidomide is still prescribed to treat leprosy and some cancers, including in the USA having been authorised in 1998, though not for morning sickness of course.

 

[Robert]

The same people voted or backed bombing of other countries knowing full well many civilians will be killed.


Its very difficult to find the total number of deaths due to blood clots in the world right now.

Information is hidden, ive never seen such stamping on freedom of speech, everywhere you look , google, youtube, social media anyone with a different view from them is banned or deleted.

The sheep will never understand there is a larger agenda at play here.

Social media has a duty to humanity, to stop liars spreading lies that result in people dying.

The larger agenda is saving hundreds of thousands of Britons from being killed, or crippled for life by Long COVID, and getting the economy back up thereby avoiding decades of untold human misery.

 

[bones]

Social media has a duty to humanity, to stop liars spreading lies that result in people dying.

The larger agenda is saving hundreds of thousands of Britons from being killed, or crippled for life by Long COVID, and getting the economy back up thereby avoiding decades of untold human misery.

So it's ok to hide the facts about people dying from the side effects but ok to manipulate the numbers on how many died from Covid-19?

You know what would have been better to avoid the economy collapsing like it has? A proper lock down the first time round. Not this half baked stupidity that we've had. People are sheep though, they'll believe anything the MSM tells them.

You say social media has a duty, what about MSM and their completely lopsided representation on world matters? How much air time is given to topic that are not important? At least with social media we can weed out the crap we don't care about.

 

[Robert]

So it's ok to hide the facts about people dying from the side effects but ok to manipulate the numbers on how many died from Covid-19?

You know what would have been better to avoid the economy collapsing like it has? A proper lock down the first time round. Not this half baked stupidity that we've had. People are sheep though, they'll believe anything the MSM tells them.

You say social media has a duty, what about MSM and their completely lopsided representation on world matters? How much air time is given to topic that are not important? At least with social media we can weed out the crap we don't care about.

Have a watch of The Social Dilemma on Netflix which will tell you how weeding out that which you do not care about on social media merely locks you into an echo chamber where you are fed more and more of what you want to believe and all prejudices are confirmed.

When someone starts talking about “the MSM” as if it is some monolithic entity, instead of numerous outlets with different target audiences and political slants, I tend to switch off.

 

[Last Monetarist]

In COVID-plagued Michigan, warning signs that vaccinations are stalling

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/covid-plagued-michigan-warning-signs-that-vaccinations-are-stalling-2021-04-22/

When Michigan’s St. Clair County held a walk-in COV1D-19 vaccination clinic last week with 1,600 shots at the ready, only about 800 people signed up in advance. Walk-in traffic was slow. A quarter of the available shots went unused, says Jennifer Michaluk, a county health department official.

St. Clair County, which sits on the Canadian border just northeast of Detroit, is a COVID hotbed. Earlier in the month, 30% of virus tests were coming back positive. Michigan has seen the biggest case spike of any state in recent weeks.

Despite the surge, health officials for more than 20 counties in Michigan told Reuters eligible residents are not showing up for their shots, particularly in rural areas that supported Republican Donald Trump in November's election, increasingly inhibiting their ability to contain the outbreak.

In the early stages of the vaccination campaign, officials said, people were knocking down the doors. But this month, even as the state opened up the shots to all adults, counties across Michigan like St. Clair County noticed the once-crushing demand was beginning to lessen.

“For a 500-appointment clinic, we are getting 50 to 60% of the appointments filled. A month ago, we could fill a clinic in 15 minutes flat,” said Danielle Persky, deputy health officer for Cass and Van Buren counties, which sit near Lake Michigan in the southwestern part of the state and strongly supported Trump in November.

Her department has taken to Facebook to urge local residents to “Stop on by for a vaccine!”

Trump's strongest base of support - white voters without a college degree – has traditionally been distrustful of large government programs such as the vaccination rollout. Local health officials said they have also had to combat a torrent of misinformation on social media about the virus and the efficacy of the vaccines.

While there are areas such as Oakland County outside of Detroit where demand still outstrips supply, other regions in the state say that just about everyone who wants a shot can get one now. Experts worry that momentum is slowing, both in Michigan and elsewhere.

“We're starting to hit that wall in some areas, where most of the people who were anxious to be vaccinated have gotten their vaccines, and the rest are either still considering or have decided against it,” said Tara Smith, an epidemiologist at Kent State University in neighboring Ohio.

U.S. health officials such as Anthony Fauci have estimated that 70% to 80% of the country needs to be vaccinated before the virus is contained and most restrictions eased. About a quarter of the population has been immunized in Michigan – on par with the national average but less than neighboring Wisconsin, where nearly a third have been.

“I don’t know if we’ll get to 60% or even 50% of the population [in the state] vaccinated,” said Mark Hackel, the county executive of populous Macomb County outside Detroit. Many of the Michigan counties that most supported Trump are making slower progress at vaccinating the elderly, who have been eligible for shots since early in the year and who remain more at-risk from the virus. Trump won more than 60% of November's vote in 49 Michigan counties. As of Tuesday, 60% of seniors in those counties were fully vaccinated, compared to 66% in the rest of the state.

The 20 counties with the lowest vaccination rates for seniors were all won by Trump in November, a Reuters review of Centers for Disease Control data on county vaccination figures showed.

A new Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted April 12-16 shows deep ambivalence about the vaccine among Republicans nationwide, with 38% saying they "do not want the coronavirus vaccine," compared to 14% of Democrats and 30% of independent voters. Trump spent much of his final year in the White House openly challenging the science behind the virus and U.S. public health experts such as Anthony Fauci. While Trump's administration drove high-speed development of the vaccines, he was a reluctant advocate for them. He received the shots, in private, in January.

“We remind [people] Trump got vaccinated,” said Mark Hamed, who serves as medical director for eight Michigan counties, all of which voted for Trump with at least 63% of the vote.

The real challenge may lie in those under 65. Hamed said most of the COVID patients he sees in emergency rooms are on average 40 years old, are unvaccinated and have been infected with the U.K. variant of the virus, which experts say is more transmissible.

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, has pleaded with the federal government to increase the number of vaccines allotted to her state to address the surge in cases but has been rebuffed. Administration officials said shifting distribution was not in line with its public health strategy, and the state needed to "go back to basics" and shut down. Lynn Sutfin, a spokesperson for the state Department of Health and Human Services, acknowledged that while there are areas of the state where demand for the vaccine has slowed, some residents "still cannot get appointments and remain on waiting lists." The state is constantly monitoring distribution of vaccine inventory, she said. “We know the way out of this pandemic is the safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine."

But Marcus Cheatham, health officer for Clinton, Gratiot and Montcalm counties in central Michigan, said it was time for the state – and the country – to shift its focus from logistics of distribution and “pivot to what really matters, which is the large share of the population that won’t accept the vaccine.”

Cheatham and other public health officials say the resistance is largely rooted in fears over the vaccines’ safety, which can be disproved with a robust education campaign in the coming weeks.

“It will be another wretched summer,” he said, “if we can’t get more people to roll up their sleeves.”

 

[KingKhanWC]

Social media has a duty to humanity, to stop liars spreading lies that result in people dying.

The larger agenda is saving hundreds of thousands of Britons from being killed, or crippled for life by Long COVID, and getting the economy back up thereby avoiding decades of untold human misery.

Only if you assume and are willing to believe the goverment. The pivitol principle of democracy is to hold the elected accountable, this cant be done if opposing views are silenced.

It seems they can do what they wish with the excuse of saving lives. The same people voted to invade & bomb with the excuse of security.

 

[Shazzam]

I already had my first dose of the vaccine. Getting my second dose on the 28th of April.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I got my first dose of Pfizer vaccine today.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-make-covid-19-vaccinations-mandatory-all-workers-2021-05-07/

All public and private sector workers wishing to attend a workplace in Saudi Arabia will be required to have taken a COVID-19 vaccination, the human resources ministry said on Friday, without specifying when this would be implemented.

"Receiving a coronavirus vaccine will be a mandatory condition for male and female workers to attend workplaces in all sectors (public, private, non-profit)," the Ministry of Human Resources and Social Development said on Twitter.

It urged workplaces to start preparations to ensure all employees receive a vaccination.

"The ministry will soon clarify the mechanisms of the decision and its implementation date," it said.

 

[sweep_shot]

I have gotten vaccinated today (Pfizer).

Everything went well. Alhamdulillah.

 

[leonidas_alexandar]

Had my first shot of Moderna last month. I had a sore arm for a few days but nothing really serious at all. Just out of an abundance of caution I did not go to the gym for about a week.

The nurse did warn me my second jab might have more serious side effects. I will get it in 2 days time. Hopefully there's going to be no serious side effects.

 

[PetroDollars]

2 shots of Pzier done,

 

[Zaz]

Im 40 and booked my first jab for this friday

Not sure which i ll get But most likely its the Astra in the uk

I know the under 40s arent recommended it and offered an alternative

Has anybody had any issues with the Az?

 

[Robert]

Im 40 and booked my first jab for this friday

Not sure which i ll get But most likely its the Astra in the uk

I know the under 40s arent recommended it and offered an alternative

Has anybody had any issues with the Az?

As mentioned further up the thread I woke up feeling sweaty about 36 hours after the first jab, and rough for the next 48. I took Paracetamol.

Second jab is coming up soon - all my elders say it caused them no problem.

 

[Robert]

Only if you assume and are willing to believe the goverment. The pivitol principle of democracy is to hold the elected accountable, this cant be done if opposing views are silenced.

It seems they can do what they wish with the excuse of saving lives. The same people voted to invade & bomb with the excuse of security.

Social media isn’t democracy, it’s a set of big tech companies.

Amazed that people don’t get this. If I walk into your house and start abusing your Prophet you will demand that I leave. That’s not silencing my right to free speech, it’s you exercising your property rights. Your house, your rules. Same with big tech. They are not publically owned utilities where freedom of speech should be upheld. They are private companies and have their own rules.