Will you take the vaccine for Covid-19?

[Babu Bhaiya]

Took my first Jab of Covishield yesterday. Its just sore arm as of now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Social media isn’t democracy, it’s a set of big tech companies.

Amazed that people don’t get this. If I walk into your house and start abusing your Prophet you will demand that I leave. That’s not silencing my right to free speech, it’s you exercising your property rights. Your house, your rules. Same with big tech. They are not publically owned utilities where freedom of speech should be upheld. They are private companies and have their own rules.

No need to state the obvious, if this is your only point then you dont understand the bigger picture.

New platforms are being created as we speak. I assume you will also hold the same principle if they criticise, attack BLM or call out occupation. If these new platforms become bigger, you should accept their views if different to yours.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/top-scientists-question-need-covid-19-booster-shots-2021-05-13/

COVID-19 vaccine developers are making ever bolder assertions that the world will need yearly booster shots, or new vaccines to tackle concerning coronavirus variants, but some scientists question when, or whether, such shots will be needed.

In interviews with Reuters, more than a dozen influential infectious disease and vaccine development experts said there is growing evidence that a first round of global vaccinations may offer enduring protection against the coronavirus and its most worrisome variants discovered to date.

Some of these scientists expressed concern that public expectations around COVID-19 boosters are being set by pharmaceutical executives rather than health specialists, although many agreed that preparing for such a need as a precaution was prudent.

They fear a push by wealthy nations for repeat vaccination as early as this year will deepen the divide with poorer countries that are struggling to buy vaccines and may take years to inoculate their citizens even once.

"We don't see the data yet that would inform a decision about whether or not booster doses are needed," said Kate O'Brien, director of the Department of Immunization, Vaccines and Biologicals at the World Health Organization (WHO).

O'Brien said the WHO is forming a panel of experts to assess all variant and vaccine efficacy data and recommend changes to vaccination programs as needed.

Pfizer Inc Chief Executive Albert Bourla has said people will "likely" need a booster dose of the company's vaccine every 12 months - similar to an annual flu shot – to maintain high levels of immunity against the original SARS-CoV-2 virus and its variants.

"There is zero, and I mean zero, evidence to suggest that that is the case," countered Dr. Tom Frieden, former director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"It's completely inappropriate to say that we're likely to need an annual booster, because we have no idea what the likelihood of that is," Frieden, who now leads the global public health initiative Resolve to Save Lives, said of Pfizer's assertions on boosters.

Pfizer, responding to the criticism, said it expects a need for boosters while the virus is still circulating widely. That could change once the pandemic is more firmly under control, a company spokeswoman said.

Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) CEO Stephane Bancel aims to produce a vaccine by the fall that targets a variant first identified in South Africa and expects regular boosters will be needed.

The United States is preparing to have such doses on hand for Americans, while the European Union, Britain and Israel have ordered new supplies of COVID-19 vaccines to deploy as protective boosters.

Some health experts, including Richard Hatchett, chief executive of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) that has funded many vaccine projects, say vaccine makers are right to plan ahead for boosters given the uncertainty over what will be needed in the long run.

Governments can then decide for themselves whether to buy the products, he said.

"A LITTLE EVIDENCE"

Pfizer and German partner BioNTech SE have so far found that their shot remains more than 91% effective for six months after people received their second dose, compared with nearly 95% demonstrated in their clinical trial. The companies will track how robust the protection remains over time.

Dr. William Gruber, Pfizer's senior vice president of vaccine clinical research and development, told Reuters earlier this month the prediction for yearly boosters was based on "a little evidence" of a decline in immunity over those six months.

Pfizer expects the COVID-19 vaccine to be a major revenue contributor for years, and has forecast sales of $26 billion from the shot in 2021. Global spending on COVID-19 vaccines and booster shots could total $157 billion through 2025, according to U.S. health data firm IQVIA Holdings.

Moderna President Stephen Hoge expects boosters will be needed to keep immunity levels high, due in part to vaccine hesitancy, as an estimated 30% of the U.S. population may not agree to be vaccinated. As long as the virus is circulating widely, people at high risk of severe illness may need to boost their immune protection, Hoge said.

"All governments are in conversations with (Moderna) and other companies about boosters," he said.

Late last year, scientists were optimistic that highly effective vaccines could quickly curb the global pandemic that has battered economies and killed more than 3.4 million people.

Those hopes dimmed by February with evidence that mutant versions of the virus might evade protection offered by vaccines. Laboratory studies showed that the South African variant could produce six to eight-fold reductions in antibody levels among people vaccinated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

Clinical trial data also showed that vaccines from AstraZeneca Plc, Johnson & Johnson and Novavax Inc were less effective at preventing infections in South Africa, where the variant is widespread.

These studies spurred drug companies to start testing booster doses of their vaccines and to develop shots that target specific variants of the virus.

However, more recent research suggests that the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines produce high levels of protective antibodies to create a "cushion effect" against the known variants, said Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and a top White House adviser.

And antibodies - which block the coronavirus from attaching to human cells - do not tell the whole story. Several studies suggest that T cells - a type of white blood cell that can target and destroy already infected cells - may help prevent severe COVID-19 and hospitalization.

NIAID researchers found that T cells in the blood of people who recovered from the original virus could still fight off infections caused by the concerning variants found in the UK, South Africa and Brazil.

"It's quite possible" that boosters would not be needed, Fauci told Reuters. "It is conceivable that the variants will not be as much a problem with a really good vaccine as we might have anticipated."

Nevertheless, health authorities in the United States, Britain and Europe are assuring their populations that a new round of shots will be available if needed, with many nations still desperate for vaccine supplies.

"It's a huge concern that ... wealthy countries would begin administering booster doses and further constraining supply of people's first dose of vaccine," said Rajeev Venkayya, head of global vaccines for Takeda Pharmaceutical Co.

Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease doctor at the University of California, San Francisco, said ultimately, decisions on whether boosters will be needed "will best be made by public health experts, rather than CEOs of a company who may benefit financially."

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57259961

Russia has started vaccinating animals against coronavirus, officials say.

In March, Russia announced it had registered what it said was the world's first animal-specific jab.

Several regions have now started vaccinations at veterinary clinics, Russia's veterinary watchdog, Rosselkhoznadzor, told local media.

Interest has been shown in the Carnivak-Cov vaccine by the EU, Argentina South Korea and Japan, the agency said.

While scientists say there is currently no evidence that animals play a significant role in spreading the disease to humans, infections have been confirmed in various species worldwide.

These include dogs, cats, apes and mink.

The period of immunity after a Carnivak-Cov jab is an estimated six months.

Julia Melano, adviser to the head of Rosselkhoznadzor, said clinics were seeing an increase in vaccination requests from "breeders, pet-owners who travel frequently and also citizens whose animals roam freely", according to the RIA news agency.

Another vaccine is being developed by the US veterinary pharmaceutical company Zoetis.

Covid-19 has been a serious problem for mink - semi-aquatic mammals farmed for their fur. Multiple countries have reported infections in farmed mink which, in some cases, have fallen severely ill or died.

The largest mink outbreak happened in Denmark, which culled millions of animals and shut down the industry completely until 2022.

There is also some evidence that mink have passed the virus back to humans in a mutated form.

 

[ElRaja]

got the vaccine, only side effect was fell asleep face first for 10 hours and woke up with a crick neck. nothing else really.

dont think anyone should be forced into taking it tho, as they say the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

i dont believe the vaccine is a conspiracy, however neither do i believe the the vaccination program, as a proof of concept, in the hand of politicians cannot be abused.

to each their own

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/05/vaccine-us-states-america-covid-coronavirus

First it was a lottery to win $1m in Ohio. Then another lottery was set up in West Virginia.

In Illinois people could get free tickets to the Six Flags amusement park.

In New Jersey it meant a free beer.

The governor of Minnesota announced giveaways that included fishing licenses, gift cards and state park permits, among others.

And West Virginia upped the ante, adding the chance to win hunting rifles or shotguns.

Governors across the country are resorting to almost shameless incentives to lure Americans who haven’t gotten a coronavirus vaccine to willingly take a jab. And a few folks who have entered in these raffles have come away winning prizes – even $1m.

It’s partially a move of necessity. There are still Americans who are either actively refraining from getting a Covid-19 vaccine or just haven’t got round to it yet.

Businesses, too, have stepped in to nudge the unvaccinated. The percentage of a state’s population that has been vaccinated varies dramatically. Some states are approaching 70%, and others are still below 50%.

So governors have had to get creative. On Thursday, Governor Jay Inslee of Washington state announced a “shot of a lifetime” state lottery for getting a vaccine, with prizes including a lottery for $2m, game systems and speakers, and “higher education tuition and expense assistance”.

In New Jersey, the governor, in partnership with the state’s department of health, set up a “shot and a beer” incentive program, which lets any New Jerseyan of legal drinking age who gets their first vaccine shot in May to also enjoy a free beer through breweries participating in the program.

That sort of approach got a shoutout from Joe Biden on Wednesday when he announced a month of action to reach the goal of vaccinating 70% of US adults by the Fourth of July holiday, with the president nodding to a beer-maker’s proposed giveaway by saying: “That’s right, get a shot and have a beer. Free beer for everyone 21 years and over to celebrate independence from the virus.”

The White House press secretary, Jen Psaki, echoed this on Thursday at the daily briefing.

“Free beer – that seems to be very appealing to the public, it seems, by [the] headlines,” Psaki said.

In a video that went viral in May, Governor Jim Justice of West Virginia sat at his desk with his English bulldog, named Babydog, in his lap.

“If you won’t do it for your family, you’ve got to get vaccinated for Babydog,” Justice tells the camera. “That’s all there is to it. Now she wants you vaccinated so badly and she’s going to absolutely be the one to lead us through on this all these incentives. And without any questions she’ll give you a high five right now but you have got to get yourself vaccinated.”

The incentive programs have become a bipartisan trend with governors from deep-red states like West Virginia or deep-blue states like California offering a range of inducements.

And already there have been some million-dollar winners. In Ohio, Jonathan Carlyle of Toledo won the state’s Vax-a-Million lottery.

“I kept hemming and hawing about it, and I work all the time, and when the Vax-a-Million thing started I immediately went down there and got it. It pushed me over the edge,” Carlyle told the Toledo Blade. He said he would use the money to pay off some bills and buy a house.

Not every governor has rolled out prizes. In Utah, Governor Spencer Cox, a Republican, says he’s monitoring how effective the lotteries are.

“It would be really great if we didn’t need any incentives at all. Hopefully, not dying is a great incentive,” the governor said according to the Deseret News.

In North Carolina, Governor Roy Cooper, a Democrat, is considering a vaccine lottery.

“We need to do everything we can to make sure we can get as many shots in arms as possible,” Cooper said according to ABC affiliate KATV.

North Carolina already has a $25 cash-card giveaway incentive program for vaccine shots.

In South Carolina, the state house of representatives minority leader, Todd Rutherford, has proposed using leftover Covid-19 relief money to set up $1m prizes for people to get vaccinated. In an interview, when the Guardian suggested it was surprising that some people still had not been vaccinated, Rutherford lamented with a groan: “You and me both!

“The only way that I think we can start breaking through is to use what’s working in other states and I think Ohio saw a 29% uptick in their vaccinations because of this,” Rutherford said. “And if we can get that kind of uptick by spending a million, two million dollars, I think it’s a no-brainer.”

 

[KingKhanWC]

vaccinating animals & giving money in prizes to those getting vaccinated.

New variants means more doses, means the vaccines arent as helpful as once thought.

 

[ahsan17]

vaccinating animals & giving money in prizes to those getting vaccinated.

New variants means more doses, means the vaccines arent as helpful as once thought.

You do realize that your magical natural immunity will also be compromised with the new variants. In fact more so than the vaccines.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You do realize that your magical natural immunity will also be compromised with the new variants. In fact more so than the vaccines.

If you're healthy, have a strong immune system, the new variants wont cause you much issue. At worst a very mild reaction. STILL 98% recover.

Are you vaccinating your pets?

 

[ahsan17]

Maybe it will be you, again worry about your OWN family, dont mention mine.

Taxpayers have already paid billions , the economy has lost billions, in a few years you will see the effects of this.

Mutations will occur with or without the vaccine. Its better to have a natrual strong immune system rather than relying on vaccines.

Vaccines reduce the probability of mutations exponentially. It's not an equal probability scenario, or even close to one. And as I mentioned, vaccines actually provide better protection against mutations than natural immunity. Do you completely disregard probabilities when it suits you, and only mention it when it suits you?

If in the highly unlikely scenario someone vaccinated goes to the hospital, then they tried all the tools available. Same can't be said for unvaccinated people.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Vaccines reduce the probability of mutations exponentially. It's not an equal probability scenario, or even close to one. And as I mentioned, vaccines actually provide better protection against mutations than natural immunity. Do you completely disregard probabilities when it suits you, and only mention it when it suits you?

If in the highly unlikely scenario someone vaccinated goes to the hospital, then they tried all the tools available. Same can't be said for unvaccinated people.

It all depends on the natural health of the person. You cannot use such assertions for all people. If I was older, weak, had underlying health conditions, poor immune system I might take the vaccine. Im not , so more than happy not to inject anything in my body which may make me ill(even for a few days), and to rely on my natural immune system. These probabilties are conjecture if you generalise, the only way to determine this depends on each person. Each vaccine has different probablities too.

Its highly unlikely unvaccinated people go to hospital in large numbers, only a small percentage did, even smaller % died. You're in a mindset this is a great threat to mankind, its not. 98% recover with no issues, dont forget this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If you're healthy, have a strong immune system, the new variants wont cause you much issue. At worst a very mild reaction. STILL 98% recover.

Are you vaccinating your pets?

Give a credible source of this claim.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Vaccines reduce the probability of mutations exponentially. It's not an equal probability scenario, or even close to one. And as I mentioned, vaccines actually provide better protection against mutations than natural immunity. Do you completely disregard probabilities when it suits you, and only mention it when it suits you?

If in the highly unlikely scenario someone vaccinated goes to the hospital, then they tried all the tools available. Same can't be said for unvaccinated people.

The more the virus transmits and replicates, the more chances of mutation. Vaccines help in reducing transmission.

 

[ahsan17]

It all depends on the natural health of the person. You cannot use such assertions for all people. If I was older, weak, had underlying health conditions, poor immune system I might take the vaccine. Im not , so more than happy not to inject anything in my body which may make me ill(even for a few days), and to rely on my natural immune system. These probabilties are conjecture if you generalise, the only way to determine this depends on each person. Each vaccine has different probablities too.

Its highly unlikely unvaccinated people go to hospital in large numbers, only a small percentage did, even smaller % died. You're in a mindset this is a great threat to mankind, its not. 98% recover with no issues, dont forget this.

Each time a person gets infected, it's giving the virus a chance to mutate. Even a healthy person getting infected can cause a mutation. You keep mentioning the 98% recovery rate. The probability of avoiding a mutation is higher than that number with a vaccine. It's just silly to be ideological about vaccines and letting the virus mutate, which may not only mess up natural immunity but vaccine-induced immunity. All because someone is ideological about vaccines.

 

[ahsan17]

The more the virus transmits and replicates, the more chances of mutation. Vaccines help in reducing transmission.

Yeah, that's what I was alluding to. Vaccines reduce the chance of transmission and getting infected, which bring down the chance of mutations significantly. Even in people that do end up getting infected after vaccinated, their viral load is so low that it makes it more difficult to spread the virus to other people.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Each time a person gets infected, it's giving the virus a chance to mutate. Even a healthy person getting infected can cause a mutation. You keep mentioning the 98% recovery rate. The probability of avoiding a mutation is higher than that number with a vaccine. It's just silly to be ideological about vaccines and letting the virus mutate, which may not only mess up natural immunity but vaccine-induced immunity. All because someone is ideological about vaccines.

This doesnt make any sense, please clarify. Again each person is different.

Eveyone has a right to protect their body how they wish. You cannot force or blackmail people to take a vaccine which is not guaranteed to work, and one where the long terms effects esp after taking multiple boosters yearly does to the body.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Give a credible source of this claim.

Search for one, many out there.

Btw do you still believe it's all Western propaganda, India is rosy, no issues with Covid?

 

[ahsan17]

This doesnt make any sense, please clarify. Again each person is different.

Eveyone has a right to protect their body how they wish. You cannot force or blackmail people to take a vaccine which is not guaranteed to work, and one where the long terms effects esp after taking multiple boosters yearly does to the body.

It's not complicated. If you get infected, there's a baseline probability the virus will mutate. If you were vaccinated, that baseline probability is reduced significantly.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Search for one, many out there.

Btw do you still believe it's all Western propaganda, India is rosy, no issues with Covid?

Please post the one you read. And says this

you're healthy, have a strong immune system, the new variants wont cause you much issue.

India has tackled the second wave and cases are one fourth of the peak.

More than 230mn doses of vaccine given.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's not complicated. If you get infected, there's a baseline probability the virus will mutate. If you were vaccinated, that baseline probability is reduced significantly.

Either way, if you have a stong immune system it wont threaten your life. Otherwise huge portions of the planet would be dead now after 15 months of a global pandemic.

Please post the one you read. And says this

you're healthy, have a strong immune system, the new variants wont cause you much issue.

India has tackled the second wave and cases are one fourth of the peak.

More than 230mn doses of vaccine given.

Ill give you one better, a report from India via an RSS leadership.

UP’s Covid-19 recovery rate inches close to 97.4%; higher than national average

Under its Covid-19 control strategy of ‘Trace-Test-Treat’, the Yogi Adityanath-led state government has conducted 3,18,714 Covid-19 tests in the last 24 hours, out of which nearly 1.40 lakh were RT-PCR examinations.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...er-than-national-average-101622812221970.html

What is the % of total Indians vaccinated?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Either way, if you have a stong immune system it wont threaten your life. Otherwise huge portions of the planet would be dead now after 15 months of a global pandemic.



Ill give you one better, a report from India via an RSS leadership.



https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...er-than-national-average-101622812221970.html

What is the % of total Indians vaccinated?

Where does it say that

you're healthy, have a strong immune system, the new variants wont cause you much issue.

 

[cricket4all]

Have has both doses of Astra Zeneca with the second dose a few weeks ago. Other family members friends have had Pfizer. No problem with either and definitely recommend anyone who hasn’t had them if available.

 

[ahsan17]

Either way, if you have a stong immune system it wont threaten your life. Otherwise huge portions of the planet would be dead now after 15 months of a global pandemic.



?

Will you continue to ignore the point that even if you are healthy, you are giving the virus a chance to mutate by not getting vaccinated, and letting the virus mutate in your own body and in the body of others that catch the virus from you that are also unvaccinated? Please don't come back with "virus will mutate regardless". The chances of mutation are incredibly low when the virus tries to infect a vaccinated person. It seems to be like you understand the concept of probability when you want to, and otherwise pretend its only black and white.

 

[shaz619]

I was offered this fairly early compared to the rest but was hesitant, in the past 12 months or so I’ve experience a number of personal issues and other past issues in combination were compounded due to Covid. I’ve had my jab and began to experience some delayed symptoms involving feeling unwell / flue like symptoms and hedachy, but after 3 or 4 days have been ok. Fingers crossed I am also feeling better then I have in a while in terms of some issues I’ve been having which the NHS finally are take a deeper look into, there is a possibility I may have had long covid, but hoping I can get back to my normal self pre-covid.

 

[James]

I was offered this fairly early compared to the rest but was hesitant, in the past 12 months or so I’ve experience a number of personal issues and other past issues in combination were compounded due to Covid. I’ve had my jab and began to experience some delayed symptoms involving feeling unwell / flue like symptoms and hedachy, but after 3 or 4 days have been ok. Fingers crossed I am also feeling better then I have in a while in terms of some issues I’ve been having which the NHS finally are take a deeper look into, there is a possibility I may have had long covid, but hoping I can get back to my normal self pre-covid.

Hope you’re ok bro.

 

[Manunited18]

I was offered this fairly early compared to the rest but was hesitant, in the past 12 months or so I’ve experience a number of personal issues and other past issues in combination were compounded due to Covid. I’ve had my jab and began to experience some delayed symptoms involving feeling unwell / flue like symptoms and hedachy, but after 3 or 4 days have been ok. Fingers crossed I am also feeling better then I have in a while in terms of some issues I’ve been having which the NHS finally are take a deeper look into, there is a possibility I may have had long covid, but hoping I can get back to my normal self pre-covid.

Hope you make a speedy recovery bro

 

[IMMY69]

I was offered this fairly early compared to the rest but was hesitant, in the past 12 months or so I’ve experience a number of personal issues and other past issues in combination were compounded due to Covid. I’ve had my jab and began to experience some delayed symptoms involving feeling unwell / flue like symptoms and hedachy, but after 3 or 4 days have been ok. Fingers crossed I am also feeling better then I have in a while in terms of some issues I’ve been having which the NHS finally are take a deeper look into, there is a possibility I may have had long covid, but hoping I can get back to my normal self pre-covid.

Sorry to hear this.
Hope you make a full and complete recovery.

 

[shaz619]

Hope you’re ok bro.

Hope you make a speedy recovery bro

Sorry to hear this.
Hope you make a full and complete recovery.

Thanks guys much better in a while taking one step at a time, everyone else stay safe

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

In a heartbeat, but they have not started for my age group in UK and by the time they start it might be too late for me to get it here.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I got the jab a few weeks ago and didn't experience any side effects apart from getting manically hungry the next day

 

[IMMY69]

Have had both my jabs now and touch wood zero side affects on both occasions

 

[IMMY69]

I got the jab a few weeks ago and didn't experience any side effects apart from getting manically hungry the next day

Are you sure it was the vaccine they gave you? ��

 

[mazkhan]

Had the moderna a couple of days ago no symptoms so far apart from a little dull pain at the injection site which has cleared up .

 

[ElRaja]

I got the jab a few weeks ago and didn't experience any side effects apart from getting manically hungry the next day

got to increase high street demand somehow

 

[sweep_shot]

I have gotten my 2nd dose today (Pfizer). I am now fully vaccinated. Alhamdulillah.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I have gotten my 2nd dose today (Pfizer). I am now fully vaccinated. Alhamdulillah.

Its not over, you will also have booster shots yearly, prob for the rest of your life.

 

[sweep_shot]

Its not over, you will also have booster shots yearly, prob for the rest of your life.

I see.

Well, I don't have much of a choice. I need to get vaccinated for traveling and also for Hajj.

 

[dildilpak]

Its not over, you will also have booster shots yearly, prob for the rest of your life.

Whats the big deal about getting a tiny jab once a year? If you have kids or elder parents/grandparents at home, you would already be getting a flu vaccine once a year - this one would be similar. Afterall thats a small price to pay to protect your family & the immunocompromised around you.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I see.

Well, I don't have much of a choice. I need to get vaccinated for traveling and also for Hajj.

You dont need to take booster shots to travel, since you've had the vaccine.

Whats the big deal about getting a tiny jab once a year? If you have kids or elder parents/grandparents at home, you would already be getting a flu vaccine once a year - this one would be similar. Afterall thats a small price to pay to protect your family & the immunocompromised around you.

Researchers from the Cleveland Clinic say that people who’ve already had COVID-19 may not necessarily benefit from vaccination.

They said that people with prior infection had similar protection to those who were fully vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...hove-had-covid-19-dont-need-to-get-vaccinated

I would suggest to check for natural immunity if you've had Covid. If natural immunity after being infected doesnt work, a vaccine wont either.

Vast majority of people dont need to inject any DNA or RNA vaccine into their body.

 

[sweep_shot]

You dont need to take booster shots to travel, since you've had the vaccine.









https://www.healthline.com/health-n...hove-had-covid-19-dont-need-to-get-vaccinated

I would suggest to check for natural immunity if you've had Covid. If natural immunity after being infected doesnt work, a vaccine wont either.

Vast majority of people dont need to inject any DNA or RNA vaccine into their body.

I see.

I may only take it if I am required.

 

[Itachi]

You dont need to take booster shots to travel, since you've had the vaccine.









https://www.healthline.com/health-n...hove-had-covid-19-dont-need-to-get-vaccinated

I would suggest to check for natural immunity if you've had Covid. If natural immunity after being infected doesnt work, a vaccine wont either.

Vast majority of people dont need to inject any DNA or RNA vaccine into their body.

bring a non peer reviewed study and spread the misinformation.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, that's OK. But you shouldn't spread the non peer reviewed articles when the doctors here (all of them be it Indian or Pakistani) pointing towards peer reviewed studies urging the people to get vaccinated.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/push-get-wary-russians-vaccinated-leaves-some-covid-clinics-short-2021-07-21/

Alexander tried three times over 10 days to get his first dose of Russia's Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine in his home town of Vladimir. Twice, supplies ran out as he was standing in the queue.

"People line up from 4 a.m. although the centre opens at 10 a.m.," the 33-year-old said, as he finally entered the walk-in vaccination room in the town, where gold-domed medieval churches attract crowds of tourists in normal years.

A third wave of COVID-19 infections has lifted reported daily deaths in Russia to record highs in recent weeks, and sluggish demand for vaccines from a wary population has finally begun to grow with a big official push to boost uptake.

The switch poses a challenge for Russia, which has signed contracts to supply Sputnik V to countries around the world.

With vaccination now compulsory in some Russian regions for people working in close contact with the public, such as waiters and taxi drivers, shortages have appeared.

"At the last minute we all decided to get vaccinated at the same time," Maria Koltunova, a representative of the Vladimir regional health watchdog Rospotrebnadzor told reporters on July 16. "This has caused a problem."

The Kremlin last month blamed vaccine shortages in some regions on increasing demand and storage difficulties but said these would be resolved.

At the appointment desks of four clinics in different towns in the wider Vladimir region last week, Reuters was told that no shots were available at this time. The earliest appointments available were next month and none could give a date.

The industry ministry said it was working with the health ministry to close the demand gap in places where it had jumped. The health ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

Russia is producing 30 million sets of doses per month, the industry ministry said, and can gradually scale that up to a monthly figure of 40-45 million doses over the next few months.

Overall, almost 44 million full doses of all vaccines have been released for the vaccination of Russia's 144 million people, the industry minister said last week.

Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin ordered the government on Monday to check what vaccines were available.

Russia does not provide data for vaccine exports and the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), responsible for marketing the vaccine abroad, declined to comment.

A laboratory in India said last week the country's full rollout would have to be put on hold until the Russian producer provides equal quantities of its two doses, which are different sizes.

Argentina and Guatemala have also reported delays to promised supplies.

Despite launching its vaccine rollout in January and approving four homegrown vaccines for domestic use, Russia had given only around 21% of its entire population one shot by July 9, according to data provided by Health Minister Mikhail Murashko, although counting only adults, that would be higher.

The Kremlin earlier blamed"nihilism" among the population; some Russians have cited distrust, both of new drugs and government programmes.

Around 14% of the 1.4 million people in the Vladimir region 200 km (125 miles) east of Moscow had received one shot by July 19, data provided by local officials showed.

Many locals were previously reluctant to get vaccinated for various reasons, including an erroneous understanding of antibodies, confusion sown by anti-vaxxers and 'fake news', the regional health department told Reuters.

The sudden uptick in demand for shots was due to a third wave of coronavirus, the vaccine shortage and a spate of government measures, authorities said.

These included a week-long regional requirement to prove vaccination against, or recent recovery from, COVID-19 with QR codes to enter cafes and other venues. The policy was cancelled amid an outcry from business and vaccine shortages.

The region also ordered some public sector and service industry businesses to inoculate at least 60% of their employees with one dose by August 15.

Third-time lucky vaccine recipient Alexander, who gave only his first name due to the sensitivity of the issue, said he had queued for the shot of his own accord after his local clinic said it could not offer one until late August.

But nine out of 12 people approached by Reuters at the city’s vaccination centres said they did not want to be vaccinated but had been pressured by their employers. The local governor's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment about the pressure.

The regional health department said it was working in universities, companies, and shopping centres to try to persuade people to get vaccinated.

In one Vladimir café called ZZZed, owner Alexander Yuriev had, along with officials, set up a centre for vaccinations, starting with the city’s restaurant workers. People filled out their consent forms sitting at the bar, under a disco ball.

"We have a queue now of about 1,000 people," Yuriev said, adding: "We are limited by the lack of vaccines in the region."

The regional administration's press office said more than 18,000 people were on a waiting list for vaccinations as of July 21. The region had received 12,000 doses over the weekend and was waiting for almost 11,000 more, it said.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/22/uk-scientists-back-covid-boosters-as-study-finds-post-jab-falls-in-antibodies

Scientists have backed proposals for Covid boosters in the autumn after blood tests on hundreds of people revealed that protective antibodies can wane substantially within weeks of second vaccine shots being given.

Falls in antibodies after vaccination are expected and do not necessarily mean people are more vulnerable to disease, but the researchers are concerned that if the declines persist the effectiveness of the vaccines may diminish.

The UCL Virus Watch study found that antibodies generated by two doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines started to wane as early as six weeks after the second shot, in some cases falling more than 50% over 10 weeks.

The researchers stress that both vaccines are extremely effective against Covid, but say the findings support plans for a booster campaign this autumn, particularly for those who were vaccinated early and with the Oxford/AstraZeneca shot.

“We know levels of antibodies start high and drop substantially,” said Prof Rob Aldridge, an infectious disease epidemiologist at University College London. “We’re concerned that if they carry on dropping at the rate we’ve seen, the protective effects of the vaccines will start to drop too, and the big question is, when is that going to happen?”

Interim advice from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) last month encouraged the NHS to prepare for an autumn booster programme, but a final decision on whether to proceed has not been made. It is unclear whether protection from vaccines has weakened enough to warrant boosters and many experts argue the doses are needed more urgently in other countries.

The UCL team analysed blood from 605 vaccinated people mostly in their 50s and 60s. They found that antibody levels varied widely between patients, but a double dose of Pfizer/BioNTech tended to produce far more antibodies against the coronavirus than two shots of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine.

Three to six weeks after full vaccination with Pfizer, antibody levels typically stood at about 7,500 units per millilitre (ml), but more than halved to 3,320 units per ml after 10 weeks. For AstraZeneca, antibody levels peaked at about 1,200 units per ml and typically fell to 190 units per ml after 10 weeks. Since publishing the results in a letter to the Lancet, the researchers have seen the same trend in a further 4,500 participants in the study.

While antibody levels are important for protection, the immune system has other defences that are built up after infection or vaccination. It is normal for antibody levels to wane over time and for the immune system to “remember” the infection with memory B cells. Should the virus invade, these cells rapidly churn out antibodies targeted at the virus. Further protection comes from T cells, which destroy infected cells and limit the severity of disease.

“Antibodies are not the perfect measure of risk; we don’t know if there’s a magic number, as it were, where the risk of infection or hospitalisation becomes important,” said Aldridge. “But we think these data support the JCVI case for boosters, with priority for the clinically vulnerable, the over-70s, and all people living in residential care homes for older adults.”

The findings have been considered by the JCVI but are unlikely to have a major impact on discussions over boosters. A loss of antibodies is a warning sign that vaccines may wear off over time but does not say when that point comes. Public health authorities will not know for sure until people who had their second shots early in the rollout start turning up in hospitals. A decision on the booster programme is expected before that happens.

“The waning of antibody responses over time may support booster strategies, especially in the setting of a third wave in the UK with Delta variant, where infection episodes are now common after two vaccine doses,” said Prof Eleanor Barnes, a hepatologist at the University of Oxford. “However, even with waning antibody levels, memory B cells and T cells may well protect from severe disease.”

But she said giving boosters would ideally be based on more evidence, since the need for them in the UK “needs to be balanced with the equitable giving of first and second vaccine doses globally”.

Prof Matthew Snape, a vaccinologist at Oxford University, said: “Studies such as this do not in themselves provide evidence of waning protection from vaccines but are really important to help us understand what’s going on if population-based studies showed any drop-off in protection with increasing time since immunisation.

“A decline in antibodies in the blood following immunisation is to be expected, and does not necessarily correspond to an increase risk of disease. Protection against infection could well be down to whether or not there are antibodies in the respiratory lining, and protection against progression to severe disease following infection may be provided by T cells.

“However, it’s clear that ongoing protection from vaccines for months to years after immunisation can’t be assumed, hence the importance of ongoing vigilance for any increase in breakthrough infections.”

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jul/23/fox-news-covid-vaccination-tucker-carlson

When Fox News launched a public service announcement urging people to get the Covid-19 vaccine this week, it was hailed in some quarters as a virtuous move. What the network might not have expected was for the message to be almost immediately undermined by the network’s biggest star, Tucker Carlson.

It looked like an onscreen, real-time battle between Fox News and Carlson, who has previously challenged the safety and questioned the effectiveness of the coronavirus vaccine, that pointed to wider mixed messaging at the network over the issue of vaccination. It was also a conflict that played out as the more contagious Delta variant of Covid-19 is spreading rapidly through areas of America where unvaccinated people are concentrated, which are often Republican-supporting – and Fox-watching – states.

Since vaccines became commonly available in the US, key opinion hosts on the rightwing news channel have repeatedly cast doubt on vaccination.

Laura Ingraham has proved to be a vaccine skeptic, questioning the vaccine’s efficacy this week, while in a two-week period from 28 June to 11 July Fox News personalities and guests ​​made a total of 216 claims undermining or downplaying vaccines in segments about coronavirus immunization, according to Media Matters.

There has been a shift in some of Fox News’ coverage in the past week, however. First Sean Hannity, on Monday, told his viewers to “please take Covid seriously – I can’t say it enough.”

Hannity added: “I believe in the science of vaccination.”

Hannity had previously made a similar comment – although it was also qualified with an exhortation to “talk to your doctor” – but this one came during a week in which Fox News launched its new public service announcement, headlined on Fox News’ website as: “‘We’re in this together’: Fox News hosts urge Americans to get the vaccine”, on Wednesday.

“America, we’re in this together,” Steve Doocy, one of the co-hosts of the Fox & Friends morning show, duly tells the viewer. We then see the daytime host Harris Faulkner, who adds: “And if you can, get the vaccine.” The video directs its viewers to a CDC link on the Fox News website where they can search for vaccination sites near them.

That was all well and good, except Carlson, Fox News’ most-watched host, popped up an hour after the PSA aired to evacuate all over the sentiment.

Carlson, who has been doing good business with far-right conservatives through his repeated questioning of the vaccine, seemingly used CNN, which has also encouraged its viewers to get vaccinated, as a proxy for Fox News in an indignant monologue.

“As a channel, CNN shouldn’t have a position on whether you should take medicine or not, because it’s a news channel, it’s not a health agency,” Carlson said.

He later added: “Why is a news channel doing this? Any news channel. A lot of them are.”

The hoo-ha came a couple of days after Ingraham, who hosts a show called The Ingraham Angle, asked her viewers: “What about the efficacy of the vaccine itself among adults?” Ingraham pointed out that five vaccinated Texas Democrats had tested positive for coronavirus.

“We have to know more about that,” Ingraham said. The mixed messaging was the latest clash of thinking within Fox News over vaccines.

Carlson has howled on his show that the idea of vaccine passports is the medical equivalent of “Jim Crow” laws, but against the dystopian picture of huddled masses presenting barcodes to emotionless big state bureaucrats is the reality that Fox has already implemented its own version of a vaccine passport among its staff.

An email sent to Fox Corporation staff, including Fox News employees, at the end of June said the company had “developed a secure, voluntary way for employees to self-attest their vaccination status”, according to CNN.

Staff are encouraged to report the dates they received the vaccine and their vaccine status. If they could prove to Fox that they were fully vaccinated, they are eligible for the “Fox Clear Pass”. With the Fox Clear Pass, staff are able to bypass an otherwise obligatory daily health screening, CNN reported.

A Fox News spokeswoman pointed to examples of some of its hosts and journalists expressing support for vaccines, and to a Fox News PSA from 2 February that showed Faulkner telling viewers “if you can, get the vaccine”.

There are caveats, however, to at least some Fox News hosts’ apparent enthusiasm for the vaccine. After Hannity was praised by non-rightwing media for his seemingly pro-vaccine stance, he angrily told viewers on Thursday: “I never told anyone to get a vaccine.”

And even Hannity’s – brief – encouragement of the vaccine was couched with him telling people they should speak to their doctor before getting it, a caveat that seemed like a sop to vaccine skeptics. In the US, where the majority of people have to pay to see a doctor, consulting a medical professional can be a serious obstacle.

The questioning of vaccines by some Fox News hosts and other rightwing networks “[is] about ratings and ratings ultimately become revenue, and that’s the name of the game”, Carl Cameron, formerly Fox’s chief political correspondent, told CNN.

The effects of anti-vaccine rhetoric could be severe. At least 99% of people in the US who died from coronavirus in the last six months were not vaccinated, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said.

While vaccine skepticism might win those ratings and revenue, it is surely a law of diminishing returns. The median age of a Fox News viewer was 65 years old in 2017, suggesting many of those viewers are in the highest risk category.

Cameron said: “This is literally the metaphor of the lemmings running to their own slaughter. People who are listening to that sort of stuff instead of the science that goes way, way back.”

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/08/rightwing-radio-host-dick-farrel-anti-vaxxer-dies-covid

A rightwing TV and radio host who was a vociferous critic of Dr Anthony Fauci and who urged his listeners not to get vaccinated against Covid-19 has died after contracting the virus.

Dick Farrel, who had described Fauci as a “power-tripping lying freak” who conspired with “power trip libb loons”, had urged people not to get vaccinated as recently as June.

He reportedly changed his opinion about vaccines after falling ill and later being admitted to hospital before passing away on 4 August aged 65. “He texted me and told me to ‘Get it!’ He told me this virus is no joke and he said, “I wish I had gotten [the vaccine]!” close friend Amy Leigh Hair wrote on Facebook.

Farrel, a native of Queens, New York, anchored radio shows in Florida and also acted as a stand-in anchor for the rightwing news outlet Newsmax, was described as a pioneer “shock talk” host.

His partner, Kit Farley, said: “He was known as the other Rush Limbaugh. With a heavy heart, I can only say this was so unexpected. He will be missed.”

Described as an ardent supporter of Donald Trump, Farrel went all-in on unsubstantiated 2020 election fraud conspiracy theories about election fraud and questioned the efficacy of coronavirus vaccines.

Hair told WPTV: “I was one of one the people like him who didn’t trust the vaccine. I trusted my immune system. I just became more afraid of getting Covid-19 than I was of any possible side effects of the vaccine. I’m glad I got vaccinated.”

 

[KingKhanWC]

^

The kind of scare tactics being used now are pathetic.

Also includes..not being able to travel, not being able to attend large gatherings.

USA is even worse, they are bribing people with $100 payments, free pizzas, free ice cream etc lol.

According to Noble prize winner, the person who discovered Aids and who is known to many as the worlds no1. Virologist vaccines will create more variants. Which is prob why we are seeing vaccinated people being infected in large numbers , inc many who have died.

 

[Pakpak]

^

The kind of scare tactics being used now are pathetic.

Also includes..not being able to travel, not being able to attend large gatherings.

USA is even worse, they are bribing people with $100 payments, free pizzas, free ice cream etc lol.

According to Noble prize winner, the person who discovered Aids and who is known to many as the worlds no1. Virologist vaccines will create more variants. Which is prob why we are seeing vaccinated people being infected in large numbers , inc many who have died.

We are seeing now regularly non-vaccinated people who haven't had the vaccine being admitted via A&E. I remember a young chap, not even 22, absolutely sick with Covid with no vaccination. Some as young as 20 with no real diseases otherwise.A while ago we had to shut down an emergency ward as covid designated due to so many people being admitted. Such cases then result in more infections within the hospital leading to deaths which could have entirely been avoided if someone was vaccinated and didn't get sick and therefore didn't come to a hospital resulting in infection being spread in a place where its the riskiest.

I am afraid its real, you might not believe it or might not believe the danger, I have had far too many relatives, close friend's families ruined due to mass deaths because of covid, some who weren't even 40 and were otherwise reasonably healthy. If I could put the agony in words to you I probably would.

This is not an attack on you but just a general reply that its not scare mongering. When you have seen countless Covid patients and covid related deaths face to face in your social circle and employment and then you see unvaccinated otherwise healthy people get very sick due to Covid needlessly it leaves a mark on you forever.

I don't post in this thread usually as everyone has their strong opinions so I won't again. I generally respect you but this was my honest view. Hope you're doing well and hope you stay healthy and safe.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We are seeing now regularly non-vaccinated people who haven't had the vaccine being admitted via A&E. I remember a young chap, not even 22, absolutely sick with Covid with no vaccination. Some as young as 20 with no real diseases otherwise.A while ago we had to shut down an emergency ward as covid designated due to so many people being admitted. Such cases then result in more infections within the hospital leading to deaths which could have entirely been avoided if someone was vaccinated and didn't get sick and therefore didn't come to a hospital resulting in infection being spread in a place where its the riskiest.

I am afraid its real, you might not believe it or might not believe the danger, I have had far too many relatives, close friend's families ruined due to mass deaths because of covid, some who weren't even 40 and were otherwise reasonably healthy. If I could put the agony in words to you I probably would.

This is not an attack on you but just a general reply that its not scare mongering. When you have seen countless Covid patients and covid related deaths face to face in your social circle and employment and then you see unvaccinated otherwise healthy people get very sick due to Covid needlessly it leaves a mark on you forever.

I don't post in this thread usually as everyone has their strong opinions so I won't again. I generally respect you but this was my honest view. Hope you're doing well and hope you stay healthy and safe.

I appreciate your post.

Ive never suggested Covid isnt real to make it clear. I accept your personal experience but we really need accurate data on both vaccinated and unvaccinated people being infected. We also need data on those who die, if they died of Covid, as if you've tested positive within 30 days ago, it will go down as Covid even if one has died of a cancer etc.

Its August , I know many young people who are ill but have had their first vaccine.

Again, if people want to take the vaccine, its none of my business but also if those who dont, their view should be respected. Its disgusting they are being lablled as selfish when we have no idea of the long term damage this vaccine may do.

Luc Montagnier at an early stage was clear, this virus came from a lab, know this is accepted by many. We dont hear of this , why? He was right. He now says vaccines create more variants, again he is right. Im happy enough to take his view on this subject, he is an expert, the worlds best. But his views are hidden & instead people are being bribed with $100 to take the jab or being made to feel guilty or are having their freedoms taken away. If you dont accept his view, please explain why.

 

[PakLFC]

I am not taking the vaccine. Won't hold it against those who do or will in future. Everyone has the right to decide if they want anything injected in to them. Mera jism, meri marzi!

 

[Robert]

^

The kind of scare tactics being used now are pathetic.

Also includes..not being able to travel, not being able to attend large gatherings.

USA is even worse, they are bribing people with $100 payments, free pizzas, free ice cream etc lol.

According to Noble prize winner, the person who discovered Aids and who is known to many as the worlds no1. Virologist vaccines will create more variants. Which is prob why we are seeing vaccinated people being infected in large numbers , inc many who have died.

Most adults in the UK are now vaccinated, so it stands to reason that significant numbers of COVID infections will be among that part of the population.

The vaccine will not stop me getting the virus but massively reduces my chance of getting seriously ill, because if I get infected the viral load in my body will stay low. My immune system is primed by the vaccine so will respond faster and kill the virus before it has time to multiply enough to make me really sick. It also massively reduces the chance that I will pass on the virus to others, so I believe that I have done my civic duty to my fellow humans by taking it, as well as making myself safer.

 

[IMMY69]

I appreciate your post.

Ive never suggested Covid isnt real to make it clear. I accept your personal experience but we really need accurate data on both vaccinated and unvaccinated people being infected. We also need data on those who die, if they died of Covid, as if you've tested positive within 30 days ago, it will go down as Covid even if one has died of a cancer etc.

Its August , I know many young people who are ill but have had their first vaccine.

Again, if people want to take the vaccine, its none of my business but also if those who dont, their view should be respected. Its disgusting they are being lablled as selfish when we have no idea of the long term damage this vaccine may do.

Luc Montagnier at an early stage was clear, this virus came from a lab, know this is accepted by many. We dont hear of this , why? He was right. He now says vaccines create more variants, again he is right. Im happy enough to take his view on this subject, he is an expert, the worlds best. But his views are hidden & instead people are being bribed with $100 to take the jab or being made to feel guilty or are having their freedoms taken away. If you dont accept his view, please explain why.

I have read about really fit people, mountain climbers etc, dying of covid who refused to take the jab because they thought they were strong, healthy and that their naturally strong immune system would be able to deal with the virus. I understand that these are exceptional cases but it only has to happen once.

Two of my very close friends chose not to take it, both caught it recently and are struggling badly with it so, and I only say this out of concern, please be careful.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/09/us-military-covid-vaccine-mandate-military

Members of the US military will be required to have the Covid-19 vaccine beginning on 15 September, under a plan announced by the Department of Defense (DoD) on Monday and endorsed by Joe Biden.

That deadline could be pushed up if the vaccine receives final US regulatory approval, beyond its current emergency use authorization by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), or if rising infection rates continue.

“To defend this nation, we need a healthy and ready force. I strongly encourage all DoD military and civilian personnel – as well as contractor personnel – to get vaccinated now and for military service members to not wait for the mandate,” the defense secretary, Lloyd Austin, said.

He added: “All FDA-authorized Covid-19 vaccines are safe and highly effective. They will protect you and your family. They will protect your unit, your ship, and your co-workers. And they will ensure we remain the most lethal and ready force in the world.”

Austin’s plan provides time for the FDA to give final approval to the Pfizer vaccine, which is expected early next month.

The president said: “I strongly support Secretary Austin’s message to the force today on the department of defense’s plan to add the Covid-19 vaccine to the list of required vaccinations for our service members not later than mid-September.”

Biden said the country is still on a wartime footing and “being vaccinated will enable our service members to stay healthy, to better protect their families, and to ensure that our force is ready to operate anywhere in the world”.

Austin’s memo to the military was issued on Monday as the Biden administration conducts a broader campaign to increase vaccinations in the federal workforce.

The coming mandate reflects similar decisions by governments and companies around the world.

“Secretary Austin and I share an unshakable commitment to making sure our troops have every tool they need to do their jobs as safely as possible. These vaccines will save lives. Period. They are safe. They are effective,” Biden said.

He added: “I am proud that our military women and men will continue to help lead the charge in the fight against this pandemic, as they so often do, by setting the example of keeping their fellow Americans safe.”

Mark Milley, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, issued a memo in support saying the military’s “medical professionals recommended this as a necessary step”.

It continued: “Vaccines are the best tools to protect us from Covid-19. If you have taken the vaccine, thank you. If you have not yet … please do so to protect yourself and those around you.”

Austin said in his memo says that the military services will have the next few weeks to prepare, determine how many vaccines they need, and how this mandate will be implemented.

The additional time, however, also is a nod to the bitter political divisiveness over the vaccine.

The decision will add the Covid-19 vaccine to a list of other inoculations that service members are already required to get. Depending on their location around the world, service members can get as many as 17 different vaccines.

Austin’s memo also said that in the meantime, the Pentagon will comply with Biden’s order for additional restrictions on any federal personnel who have not been vaccinated. Those restrictions will include wearing masks, social distancing and travel limits.

According to the Pentagon, more than 1 million troops are fully vaccinated and another 237,000 have received one shot, with the number rising. But the military services vary widely in their vaccination rates.

The navy said that more than 74% of all active duty and reserve sailors have been vaccinated with at least one shot. The air force, meanwhile, said that more than 65% of its active duty and 60% reserve forces are at least partially vaccinated, and the number for the army – by far the largest service – appears to be closer to 50%.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Most adults in the UK are now vaccinated, so it stands to reason that significant numbers of COVID infections will be among that part of the population.

The vaccine will not stop me getting the virus but massively reduces my chance of getting seriously ill, because if I get infected the viral load in my body will stay low. My immune system is primed by the vaccine so will respond faster and kill the virus before it has time to multiply enough to make me really sick. It also massively reduces the chance that I will pass on the virus to others, so I believe that I have done my civic duty to my fellow humans by taking it, as well as making myself safer.

I have read about really fit people, mountain climbers etc, dying of covid who refused to take the jab because they thought they were strong, healthy and that their naturally strong immune system would be able to deal with the virus. I understand that these are exceptional cases but it only has to happen once.

Two of my very close friends chose not to take it, both caught it recently and are struggling badly with it so, and I only say this out of concern, please be careful.

Yes the mainstream media is daily pushing cases of unvaccinated people falling ill or worse but they are not informing us of cases of vaccinated people dying because there are many cases.

According to this it means the vaccines only help those are vaccinated from not becoming seriously ill.

Then why the need for vaccine passports if you can transmit the virus after vaccination?

If you both would like to comment on my point of the worlds most expert viorologist who stated it came from a lab, which we know is the most likely scenario. Now he is saying vaccines will create variants, possibly deadly ones. He is not the only one, other scientists have concluded this too.

 

[Manunited18]

One of our close friends who refused the vaccine recently who then caught covid sadly passed away last week. Two weeks before his death he admitted his regret for not taking the vaccine.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Guys please don't take covid lightly, the new Indian variant virus is dangerous. Already 90% of new cases in Bangladesh are the Indian variant virus.

 

[shaz619]

Guys please don't take covid lightly, the new Indian variant virus is dangerous. Already 90% of new cases in Bangladesh are the Indian variant virus.

Stay safe brother, hide in the palm tree if necessary

 

[Robert]

Yes the mainstream media is daily pushing cases of unvaccinated people falling ill or worse but they are not informing us of cases of vaccinated people dying because there are many cases.

According to this it means the vaccines only help those are vaccinated from not becoming seriously ill.

Then why the need for vaccine passports if you can transmit the virus after vaccination?

If you both would like to comment on my point of the worlds most expert viorologist who stated it came from a lab, which we know is the most likely scenario. Now he is saying vaccines will create variants, possibly deadly ones. He is not the only one, other scientists have concluded this too.

I agree on the vaccine passport issue. I am much less likely to catch it and get very sick and pass it on than you, but I am not bulletproof. So I should have no extra freedom. There should be a carrot not a stick to persuade people to take the jabs.

Curiously when I entered the U.K. from a yellow fever zone nobody checked my yellow fever “passport”.

Vaccination creates variants? By forcing the virus to evolve to survive I guess, through denying it hosts. I would imagine we will treat it like the flu virus going forwards - booster jabs will attack the current most prevalent strains. We will have to live with this scourge as it is not going away.

 

[Robert]

Oh and [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] I think it did come from a lab in Wuhan. Now their pet monster has escaped and slain over four million human souls and rising and everyone’s life has changed.

 

[James]

I think it is highly likely that Covid came from a Wuhan lab. The question really now is less about this, I think it is settled, but more so, was the release deliberate or an accident.

 

[Robert]

I think it is highly likely that Covid came from a Wuhan lab. The question really now is less about this, I think it is settled, but more so, was the release deliberate or an accident.

I can’t think it was deliberate. It would be tantamount to declaring war on every nation on Earth.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Stay safe brother, hide in the palm tree if necessary

Thank You brother, means a lot coming from my PakPassion Idol

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agree on the vaccine passport issue. I am much less likely to catch it and get very sick and pass it on than you, but I am not bulletproof. So I should have no extra freedom. There should be a carrot not a stick to persuade people to take the jabs.

Curiously when I entered the U.K. from a yellow fever zone nobody checked my yellow fever “passport”.

Vaccination creates variants? By forcing the virus to evolve to survive I guess, through denying it hosts. I would imagine we will treat it like the flu virus going forwards - booster jabs will attack the current most prevalent strains. We will have to live with this scourge as it is not going away.

Vaccines are and will continue to create more variants. Its scary to read from scientists a new deadly variant is likely to emerge which could kill 1/3 of all people. The flu has been around for a long time but we have not seen a deadly flu apart from the Swine flu, which imo was also modified by humans.

Vaccinated people can trasmit the virus just like unvaccinated, there is no real difference.

BBC , SKy News or the government are ignoring this virus came from a lab, why do you think this is the case? Lying to their public when its such a huge issue?

 

[Robert]

Vaccines are and will continue to create more variants. Its scary to read from scientists a new deadly variant is likely to emerge which could kill 1/3 of all people. The flu has been around for a long time but we have not seen a deadly flu apart from the Swine flu, which imo was also modified by humans.

Vaccinated people can trasmit the virus just like unvaccinated, there is no real difference.

BBC , SKy News or the government are ignoring this virus came from a lab, why do you think this is the case? Lying to their public when its such a huge issue?

Spanish Flu killed between fifty million and one hundred million people in 1919-20. That certainly wasn’t manufactured. Nobody knew what a virus was then, let alone the genome on one.

Flu kills 5000-10000 people annually in the UK. COVID has killed 150,000 in a year despite the vaccine programme, and crippled who knows how many more - some 30% of people who recover in hospital get long COVID and suffer organ failure. But without lockdown and mass vaccination, 1.5 million Britons would be dead. So mass vaccination has brought about significant harm reduction through stopping so many dying and reducing the cross-infection window, and we can open up the economy again without a million dead. 150 people are still dying per day so that is around 50,000 per year from now on.

Don’t know on the lack of MSM. No conclusive proof, at a guess.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Spanish Flu killed between fifty million and one hundred million people in 1919-20. That certainly wasn’t manufactured. Nobody knew what a virus was then, let alone the genome on one.

Flu kills 5000-10000 people annually in the UK. COVID has killed 150,000 in a year despite the vaccine programme, and crippled who knows how many more - some 30% of people who recover in hospital get long COVID and suffer organ failure. But without lockdown and mass vaccination, 1.5 million Britons would be dead. So mass vaccination has brought about significant harm reduction through stopping so many dying and reducing the cross-infection window, and we can open up the economy again without a million dead. 150 people are still dying per day so that is around 50,000 per year from now on.

Don’t know on the lack of MSM. No conclusive proof, at a guess.

Its a strong theory Swine Flu was bought to Europe by American troops out of a lab in California. OF course the people had no clue.

Deaths are not accurate at all. If you die within 30 days of infection, you will be down as Covid death, even if you die of Cancer or a car accident. UK gov has admitted this.

Dont take my word for it, take the word of the worlds most expert vioroligst, noble prize winner and who discovered aids. Vaccines will create more variants, not long before a super deadly one is created as the virus is made made in a lab, using gain of function. You do know what gain of function does?

 

[ahmedzee]

Guys please don't take covid lightly, the new Indian variant virus is dangerous. Already 90% of new cases in Bangladesh are the Indian variant virus.

Stay safe and get vaccinated if you haven't yet. Vaccination doesn't completely protect you, but it does lowers your chance of getting severe case. My Bengali friend told me the same thing, most cases in Dhaka are now indian (delta) variant. It is as infectious as chicken pox so stay home and be safe, inshAllah this will pass as well.

 

[ahmedzee]

Spanish Flu killed between fifty million and one hundred million people in 1919-20. That certainly wasn’t manufactured. Nobody knew what a virus was then, let alone the genome on one.

Flu kills 5000-10000 people annually in the UK. COVID has killed 150,000 in a year despite the vaccine programme, and crippled who knows how many more - some 30% of people who recover in hospital get long COVID and suffer organ failure. But without lockdown and mass vaccination, 1.5 million Britons would be dead. So mass vaccination has brought about significant harm reduction through stopping so many dying and reducing the cross-infection window, and we can open up the economy again without a million dead. 150 people are still dying per day so that is around 50,000 per year from now on.

Don’t know on the lack of MSM. No conclusive proof, at a guess.

You can't suggest "despite vaccination" program 150,000 died due to COVID. The vaccination program started back in February of this year while the second wave wreaked havoc in the UK in fall/autumn of 2020. What is happening is, vaccination is working in ensuring hospitalization and severe cases don't occur which you correctly mention.

Yes, it didn't stop the virus from spreading, and that's unfortunate. Maybe it is time someone works on treatment as well.

 

[MenInG]

The World Health Organization (WHO) said it has identified counterfeit versions of India's primary Covid vaccine, Covishield.

The doses were seized by authorities in India and Africa between July and August, a WHO statement said.

It also said the vaccine's maker, Serum Institute of India, confirmed that the doses were fake.

The WHO warned that fake vaccines "pose a serious risk to global public health".

It called for their removal from circulation.

There has been no official statement by the Indian government, but local reports said the country's health ministry was investigating the matter.

BBC

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/british-study-shows-covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-wanes-under-delta-2021-08-18/

A British public health study has found that protection from either of the two most commonly used COVID-19 vaccines against the now prevalent Delta variant of the coronavirus weakens within three months.

It also found that those who get infected after receiving two shots of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the AstraZeneca vaccine may be of greater risk to others than under previous variants of the coronavirus.

Based on more than three million nose and throat swabs taken across Britain, the Oxford University study found that 90 days after a second shot of the Pfizer or Astrazeneca vaccine, their efficacy in preventing infections had slipped to 75% and 61% respectively.

That was down from 85% and 68%, respectively, seen two weeks after a second dose. The decline in efficacy was more pronounced among those aged 35 years and older than those below that age.

"Both of these vaccines, at two doses, are still doing really well against Delta... When you start very, very high, you got a long way to go," said Sarah Walker, an Oxford professor of medical statistics and chief investigator for the survey.

Walker was not involved in work on AstraZeneca's vaccine, which was initially developed by immunology experts at Oxford.

The researchers would not project how much more the protection would drop over time, but suggested that the efficacy of the two vaccines studied would converge within 4-5 months after the second shot.

Highlighting the increased risk of contagion from the Delta variant, the study also showed that those who do get infected despite being fully vaccinated tend to have a viral load similar to the unvaccinated with an infection, a clear deterioration from when the Alpha variant was still dominant in Britain.

The Oxford findings are in line with an analysis by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and come as the U.S. government outlines plans to make COVID-19 vaccine booster shots widely available next month amid a rise in Delta variant infections. It has cited data indicating diminishing protection from the vaccines over time.

Israel began administering third Pfizer doses last month to confront a surge in local infections driven by Delta. Several European countries are also expected to begin offering boosters to the elderly and people with weak immune systems.

Pfizer has said its vaccine's efficacy drops over time. Last month AstraZeneca said it was still looking into how long its vaccine's protection lasts and whether a booster dose would be needed to keep up immunity.

"The fact that we do see ... more viral load hints (...) that indeed herd immunity might become more challenging," said co-author Koen Pouwels, also of Oxford University.

Herd immunity is when a large enough portion of the population is immune to a pathogen, either by vaccination or prior infection, stopping infection numbers from growing.

"Vaccines are probably best at preventing severe disease and slightly less at preventing transmission," said Pouwels.

The authors cautioned that the viral concentration in the throat was only a rough proxy for severity of symptoms and that they had no new data on the duration of infections.

The survey, which has yet to be peer-reviewed before publication in a scientific journal, underscores concerns by scientists that the Delta variant, first identified in India, can infect fully vaccinated people at a greater rate than previous lineages, and that the vaccinated could more easily transmit it.

To contrast periods before and after Delta became prevalent, the Oxford researchers analysed about 2.58 million swabs taken from 380,000 randomly picked adults between Dec. 1, 2020, and May 16, 2021, and 810,000 test results from 360,000 participants between May 17 and Aug. 1.

The study was conducted in partnership with Britain's Office of National Statistics (ONS) and the Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC).

 

[MenInG]

Four officers have been injured during clashes with anti-vaccine protesters in central London, the Met Police said.

Scotland Yard tweeted: "A number of protesters have become violent towards police... This is unacceptable."

Demonstrators tried to storm the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) headquarters in central London. Protesters then moved to South Kensington.

Officers arrested 10 people in connection with the protests.

It comes as an extra 200,000 teens with underlying conditions became eligible for two vaccine doses.

But the UK's vaccine advisory body has refused to give the green light to vaccinating healthy children aged 12-15 on health grounds alone.

The MHRA is the government body responsible for approving the coronavirus vaccines.

Andrew Wood, councillor for Canary Wharf, said leaflets were being handed out about the vaccination of children.

'Police were ready'

He said: "The police have been here all week because we were expecting Extinction Rebellion, so most of the police and security's been outside the banks.

"So whether the anti-vaxxers realised this or not the police were ready for a protest, it's just that it was anti-vaxxers not Extinction Rebellion who turned up this afternoon."

Social media footage shows demonstrators being held back by police as they try to get into the MHRA's Cabot Square offices in Canary Wharf on Friday afternoon.

Crowds were later seen leaving the area towards the Underground station.

The protest comes after journalists working for ITN were trapped in their offices when a group of anti-vaccine and anti-lockdown protesters forced their way into the broadcaster's London headquarters on 23 August.

That followed an incident two week before when a crowd thought to be made up of anti-vaccine protesters tried to gain access to the BBC's old headquarters in White City, west London.

BBC

 

[Robert]

You can't suggest "despite vaccination" program 150,000 died due to COVID. The vaccination program started back in February of this year while the second wave wreaked havoc in the UK in fall/autumn of 2020. What is happening is, vaccination is working in ensuring hospitalization and severe cases don't occur which you correctly mention.

Yes, it didn't stop the virus from spreading, and that's unfortunate. Maybe it is time someone works on treatment as well.

I was attempting to demonstrate the greater lethality of COVID compared to flu.

Without the vaccination programme, the COVID death toll would be 10x higher.

 

[Robert]

Its a strong theory Swine Flu was bought to Europe by American troops out of a lab in California. OF course the people had no clue.

Deaths are not accurate at all. If you die within 30 days of infection, you will be down as Covid death, even if you die of Cancer or a car accident. UK gov has admitted this.

Dont take my word for it, take the word of the worlds most expert vioroligst, noble prize winner and who discovered aids. Vaccines will create more variants, not long before a super deadly one is created as the virus is made made in a lab, using gain of function. You do know what gain of function does?

What you are saying here is that we should just stop treating diseases because everything is hopeless.

Look, every antibiotic and every vaccine will drive the evolution of the bacteria and viruses they are intended to prevent or treat. Organisms evolve due to changes in the environment. It doesn’t mean we give up and let these organisms kill us and kill us and kill us. That would be inhumane. It means we find different ways to treat them. As you mentioned AIDS, we don’t let HIV just kill people, we keep hitting it with different antivirals and suppress the viral load in the patient, and though the virus evolves to cope with an antiviral we hit it with another antiviral and keep it off balance. And the patient survives. One day we will have a HIV vaccine and then people can receive that too.

 

[ahmedzee]

I was attempting to demonstrate the greater lethality of COVID compared to flu.

Without the vaccination programme, the COVID death toll would be 10x higher.

100% correct. I hope everyone gets vaccinated. Wonder why these anti vaxxers are popping up these days

 

[IMMY69]

I got it around 20 days ago despite the double vaccination.

At first it was extreme fatigue followed by a runny and awfully congested nose, so much so my cheek bones hurt from trying to clear my nose. Then the cough came... constantly day and night.
But the worst was the fatigue. I'd feel tired just walking to the toilet..

Today is the first day I woke up feeling myself again. Just took my dogs for a proper walk without getting out of breath. Still have a little cough but it's getting better day by day.

I think I'm pretty fit for my age. I play five aside footie three times a week and have PT once a week plus daily dog walks... and although I have suffered from athertis I'm currently in remission and no longer on immune suppressants...I can't remember ever feeling this ill and wonder how bad it could have been had I not had the vaccine.

 

[Robert]

100% correct. I hope everyone gets vaccinated. Wonder why these anti vaxxers are popping up these days

It’s a personal liberty thing to them.

Whereas I was trained to consider the good of the whole first - as long as the Harm Principle is upheld.

My liberty stops at the point where my responsibility to others starts.

 

[Robert]

I got it around 20 days ago despite the double vaccination.

At first it was extreme fatigue followed by a runny and awfully congested nose, so much so my cheek bones hurt from trying to clear my nose. Then the cough came... constantly day and night.
But the worst was the fatigue. I'd feel tired just walking to the toilet..

Today is the first day I woke up feeling myself again. Just took my dogs for a proper walk without getting out of breath. Still have a little cough but it's getting better day by day.

I think I'm pretty fit for my age. I play five aside footie three times a week and have PT once a week plus daily dog walks... and although I have suffered from athertis I'm currently in remission and no longer on immune suppressants...I can't remember ever feeling this ill and wonder how bad it could have been had I not had the vaccine.

Glad you are on the mend.

A lady where I work was double jabbed and the thing still poleaxed her. I think she would be dead without the jab.

The possibility of death or at least permanent organ damage is so scary. Everyone get the vaccine and protect yourself and others.

 

[ahmedzee]

It’s a personal liberty thing to them.

Whereas I was trained to consider the good of the whole first - as long as the Harm Principle is upheld.

My liberty stops at the point where my responsibility to others starts.

Robert, I wish others were like you. Hats off to you for that last sentence "My liberty stops at the point where my responsibility to others starts".

Unfortunately, where I am right now in the province of Alberta in Canada, 70.3% population is vaccinated, 73% are vaccinated with first dose only. The rest of the eligible people are super anti-vaxxers, are in remote areas in the province. Currently we're seeing a surge of indian variant (delta) cases in the province, majority of them among unvaccinated. I hope they see the light and decide to get vaccinated as that is probably the only way right now to curb the transmission. The other way is to have restrictions which no one wants.

There is indeed freedom to not get vaccinated, but then the same folks chose to get vaccinated against polio, hep a/b, etc. as kids. I hope sanity prevails.

 

[Saj]

A few cases recently in the news of people refusing to believe that Covid-19 is actually out there and refusing to take the vaccine. Well they are now deceased due to Covid-19.

Make of that what you want.

 

[IMMY69]

Glad you are on the mend.

A lady where I work was double jabbed and the thing still poleaxed her. I think she would be dead without the jab.

The possibility of death or at least permanent organ damage is so scary. Everyone get the vaccine and protect yourself and others.

Thanks.
I can't stress enough how awful this virus is.
It goes on and on and you begin to wonder whether there is an end in sight.
Thank god for the vaccine

 

[KingKhanWC]

What you are saying here is that we should just stop treating diseases because everything is hopeless.

Look, every antibiotic and every vaccine will drive the evolution of the bacteria and viruses they are intended to prevent or treat. Organisms evolve due to changes in the environment. It doesn’t mean we give up and let these organisms kill us and kill us and kill us. That would be inhumane. It means we find different ways to treat them. As you mentioned AIDS, we don’t let HIV just kill people, we keep hitting it with different antivirals and suppress the viral load in the patient, and though the virus evolves to cope with an antiviral we hit it with another antiviral and keep it off balance. And the patient survives. One day we will have a HIV vaccine and then people can receive that too.

A rushed vaccine which is authorised use in an emergency doesnt have to be the only way. There are many ways to treat illnesses esp vruses. A good start would be for the governments to ensure peoples immune systems are stronger but they have done the opposite, causing stress with lockdowns, scaremongering etc to weaken peoples immune system.

 

[KingKhanWC]

A few cases recently in the news of people refusing to believe that Covid-19 is actually out there and refusing to take the vaccine. Well they are now deceased due to Covid-19.

Make of that what you want.

Imo its scaremongering, picking and choosing cases so people worry, thus get vaccinated. You cant fly, you cant go shops, school, work etc

The latest data from Israel shows a large majority of their recent cases are from the vaccinated. Israel is now preparing a 4th dose. Viruses mutate to escape, vaccines in the long term will make things worse not better.

Today the authorities in the UK have recommended not to give vaccines to teenagers.

Ive not had Covid, yet people I know who are vaccinated have tested positive more than once after the vaccine.