Winning Champions Trophy was a fluke for Pakistan, claims Wasim Akram

[Hitman]

India vs Pakistan: Former Pakistan pacer Wasim Akram went on air to admit that Pakistan’s 2017 Champions Trophy triumph was ‘fluke’. This statement comes after the Men in Blue thrashed Pakistan by nine wickets in the Asia Cup Super Four match. Akram is not the only person who is upset with the lacklustre performance of the men in Green, but voices from Pakistan have vented anger after their loss to Rohit Sharma’s India.

Commentator and great bowler in his prime, the 52-year-old Akram spoke straight without beating the bush and accepted who is the better team. Mind you, India had defeated Pakistan in the group stage match as well. The win in the group stage was India’s best over Pakistan ever in terms of balls to spare and in the Super Four stage, the Men in Blue got their most comprehensive victory over the arch-rivals in terms of wickets.

Speaking to Aaj Tak from Dubai, Akram said: “I played for Pakistan for 20 odd years. I never thought I would live to see this day. The way we got thrashed… one-sided games. We need to play less against the low-ranked sides. I am all promotion of the game… one off it’s fine. But going to Zimbabwe, playing five one-days, three T20s. What is Pakistan team gaining from these tours? Nothing. They go and score runs there, hit double hundreds, but when they play good bowling, good teams, they come under pressure. We need to strengthen our team and play good teams in their home.”

Akram added: “These defeats will at least get Pakistan rid of their Champions Trophy nostalgia. There is no relevance of the Champions Trophy win which came one-and-half years ago. India’s main player Virat Kohli didn’t even come and God knows what would have happened had he been around.”

http://www.india.com/sports/india-v...rophy-2017-victory-was-a-fluke-watch-3344865/

 

[Savak]

I find these chants of Pakistan CT win to be extremely unsporting. Yes Pakistan is a poor ODI and T-20 side compared to the Top 5 teams of the world but that CT win was no fluke, it was similar to India's 1983 WC win but you don't see fair people going on and on about that achievement being a fluke and that India didn't deserve it.

 

[kuskash]

He also said something like, "maara kam hai, ghaseeta zyada hai".

 

[blackanhyellow]

Where did he use the word "fluke"?

He merely said the CT win is not relevant anymore since it happened so long ago.

And then since then, Pakistan has not played top level cricket.

 

[Hitman]

He also said something like, "maara kam hai, ghaseeta zyada hai".

What does that mean?

 

[nextover666666]

Even Indian fans said that win was not a fluke Pakistan were the better team that day plain and simple but we can all agree that if Pakistan and india played a 5 or 7 game series Pakistan would only win. 1 game maybe 2 but current Indian team is stronger than Pakistan team, even during champions trophy the Indian team was stronger. Pakistan just showed up to the party that day and got rewarded

 

[PakSarZameen]

Unfair assessment. The team was playing in ideal conditions, with the 1992/2009 mentality with a lot of support in the ground for the players.

Our former players should leave these kind of statements for until after the tournament. Imagine if Pakistan wins the Asia Cup, would be embarrassing for Wasim then, would it not?

 

[Hitman]

Even Indian fans said that win was not a fluke Pakistan were the better team that day plain and simple but we can all agree that if Pakistan and india played a 5 or 7 game series Pakistan would only win. 1 game maybe 2 but current Indian team is stronger than Pakistan team, even during champions trophy the Indian team was stronger. Pakistan just showed up to the party that day and got rewarded

Of course it was not a fluke. Pakistan was the best team throughout the tournament.

 

[Abdullah719]

Where did he use the word "fluke"?

He didn't say it directly, but the presenter asked him 'kya wo tukka tha' and Wasim said 'you could say that' blah blah.

 

[Ozeirk]

I would love to see this team prove them all wrong in the final.

 

[Savak]

Lol these former cricketers are sell outs and will wag tongues where money flows. Zero Self Respect for their country

 

[Sunny_majoka]

That is what we want. If won against Bangladesh comfortably we will surely win the final.
They always perform better when ever they are down and out

 

[kuskash]

That is what we want. If won against Bangladesh comfortably we will surely win the final.
They always perform better when ever they are down and out

After winning semi final, they will be down and out??? Hmmmmm

 

[kingusama92]

Does he feel the same way about PAK's 1992 WC win?

 

[reversehook]

1992 wc was a bigger tukka...

 

[Napa]

I would love to see this team prove them all wrong in the final.

And indeed they may.

Fakhar may again score a century. He takes his chances and sometimes it works. He took his chances in the CT final and it may happen again. I would say about a 25% chance.

 

[Hawkeye]

It was a fluke.

No matter how you try to sugar coat it.

1983 win was also a fluke by IND.

 

[JaDed]

It was a fluke.

No matter how you try to sugar coat it.

1983 win was also a fluke by IND.

Both weren't, but to give you justification for 1983 win, we defeated Windies twice in that tournament even in group stages.

 

[Hitman]

It was a fluke.

No matter how you try to sugar coat it.

1983 win was also a fluke by IND.

Despite the fact that India defeated West Indies twice in that World Cup?

 

[badsha001]

Despite the fact that India defeated West Indies twice in that World Cup?

and India lost the ODI series (5-0) in India against West Indies same year...

 

[JaDed]

and India lost the ODI series (5-0) in India against West Indies same year...

Yes but again won 1985 B &H trophy beating Pak in the final, which was like CT trophy then. Still beating the same team twice in the tournament should say it suits.

 

[Mamoon]

Welcome to the club, Wasim. I am glad people are finally seeing the light - my efforts are finally bearing to fruit.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

The spirit of Van Gogh has taken over Wasim


It’s just lazy analysis. Calling it a perfect storm is fair. Those conditions were great for our bowling, but saying it’s fluke is just stupid. We still had to beat a pre knockout South Africa, and the favourites England, to get to the final

 

[imshally81]

Every {Pakistani} win was fluke.......
By Isaac Mamoon

 

[LegendAli]

Lol these former cricketers are sell outs and will wag tongues where money flows. Zero Self Respect for their country

Excuse me, "these former cricketers"? this is Wasim Akram the Cricketer period.

 

[badsha001]

Lol these former cricketers are sell outs and will wag tongues where money flows. Zero Self Respect for their country

Bro, show some respect... He was and still the best left handed fast bowler in cricket history.

 

[amvbfm]

The CT result was no fluke. We played good cricket, and beat not just India but also the favorites England. The format of the tournament was such that any team that played three good games on the trot could've won it and we did just that, but that doesn't mean it was a fluke. As for Akram saying stuff like never thought I would live to see this day, its all just hyperbole. Its not as if such things never happened in Akram's time. While I rarely expect unbiased views from most ex-cricketers (in their books things are always going downhill) calling the CT win a fluke is extremely unfair.

 

[Buffet]

Does he feel the same way about PAK's 1992 WC win?

Exactly.

This fluke nonsense should stop. Pakistan played better than others for 4-5 matches and won CT. It's done and it's in past. People should move forward.

 

[latecut]

CT final win was a fluke. 1992 win was a fluke too. Indian final win in 1983 was a fluke too.

Sri Lankan world cup win in 1996 was one that was really well deserved as it came by chasing a stiff target while batting second in the final.

 

[latecut]

1983 fluke helped take Indian cricket forward. 1996 win helped Sri Lankan cricket move forward. I doubt that Pakistan cricket has moved forward after CT final win.

 

[Executioner]

Fluke basically means something you would not expect to happen again.

But Pakistan were the better team that tournament. They won 4 matches on the trott especially the last 2 which mattered.

 

[Hawkeye]

Both weren't, but to give you justification for 1983 win, we defeated Windies twice in that tournament even in group stages.

Despite the fact that India defeated West Indies twice in that World Cup?

Pak also won 4 matches in a row against top opposition.

For the world cup, IND players themselves are quoted many times saying they were sure of a loss and some cricketers had gone out shopping assuming they'll lose.

I consider both a fluke because the teams overall were not the best sides of that period. More often than not they would have lost against good opposition.

Pak showed that against NZ post CT and now vs. IND.

 

[Ayybee]

So the two wins that India got during this Asia cup should be called flukes aswell, because they almost lost to Hong Kong and just had a tie with Afg
And now please don’t come up with but how can they win two games
Let me remind you that Pakiatan won 4 games on the trot
And I would take a Pakistani team any day over a south African team because atleast we win cups
No one remembers Asia cups it’s all about the ICC tournaments
if Pakistan wins the Asia cup will you people call it a fluke aswell?
And people like mamoon only care about their point and how they can prove it even if it’s wrong
This team has not really played against good oppositions for a while now but our schedule is very good after this, we’ll play good teams and Pakistan are a different ODI side in England because of their bowling and our batsmen surprisingly enjoy England conditions aswell

 

[Nikhil_cric]

83 World Cup win was definitely not a fluke. Windies twice, a strong England team, Australia were all beaten . CT 2017 was not a fluke either. Beating SL,SA,ENG,IND on the trot is no fluke. On both occasions , the winning team punched above their weight in the given conditions consistently.

The closest thing to a fluke would be the 1992 World Cup . Rain helped Pakistan share points in a lost cause and the rain knocked the Saffers out unfairly.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Expect Wasim to change his statement if we win the Asia Cup.

Koi deen imaan nahi, koi solid opinion nahi.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

For people like Wasim.there is a beautiful phrase in Urdu.

Jahan hawa chali wahan ka rukh kr lia.

Bas han mai han milana aati hai. Apna koi solid opinion nahi. He does this all the time in commentary too.

 

[Varun]

The CT 2017 was like over a year ago.

What's so great about the tournament that it gets brought up at every turn and corner? Has any other CT been discussed with such fervour 15 months after the event?

 

[pakistani pride]

Welcome to the club, Wasim. I am glad people are finally seeing the light - my efforts are finally bearing to fruit.

Wasim like you is an Indian cheerleader so no surprise there. Our former players and special mention to wasim and shoaib are totally into indian media.

Lets hope the boys prove them wrong!

 

[Bewal Express]

So was India's 83 World Cup win.

 

[amvbfm]

Using the logic being employed by some people here, pretty much all tournament wins in the history of ODI cricket barring those of the WI in 1975 and 1979 and Australia in 2003 and 2007 could be classified as flukes. Even the 1999 Australian WC win can be called a fluke given that they were on the brink of elimination more than once.

Luck, invariably and undeniably plays a big part in any major tournament win (unless you talk about ATG teams which are so dominant that any element of luck is negated by their dominance) but no team can win a match, let alone a tournament by fluke. You can get a wicket by fluke, hit a six by fluke but not get five wickets or score a century by fluke, let alone win a match or a tournament. People will say that Pakistan won because Fakhar survived a no-ball and went on to score a century hence it was a fluky win. I disagree. There was nothing stopping Fakhar from getting out next ball. But he took that chance, used his skills and made it count. Similarly, Amir getting Kohli and Sharma was no fluke.

In cricket, as in life in general, its all about making full use of the opportunities that you get, you can call it a fluke, I call it timely performance. If a team wins a tournament, any tournament, it deserves to be recognized, because it played well enough to beat all the other teams participating under the defined rules. For me there is no such thing as winning a tournament by fluke.

 

[BlackShadow]

Won't call it a fluke.

India had the worst day possible, and Pakistan brought their A+ game. It was like Soderling knocking out Federer from Wimbledon, not fluke, but won't happen 90% of the times.

 

[SM1989]

Chanpions Trophy was clearly a fluke. Wasim Akram is right. I can show this game by game:

1) South Africa - rain saved Pakistan and they won on D/L. Morkel was clearly on fire at the stage when the rain arrived and you could sense that a batting collapse from Pakistan was imminent.

2) Sri Lanka - Thisara Perrera dropped a sitter, which caused Sri Lanka to lose the game

3) England - The pitch was slow and England lost their home advantage.

4) India - Bumrah’s no ball cost India the match.

 

[Ab Fan]

If Wasim says, I agree. He is Pakistan's greatest ever afterall in ODIs and second greatest in test.

 

[Ayybee]

[MENTION=134482]SM1989[/MENTION]

1) D/L doesn’t favor any team and it’s put in place by ICC not Pakistan

2) Srilanka lost 5-0 to Pakistan after the champions trophy

3) Not Pakistan’s fault

4) Even if you remove the runs scored by Fakhar Pakistan will still be the winner so B**** please

 

[Braveheart]

I find these chants of Pakistan CT win to be extremely unsporting. Yes Pakistan is a poor ODI and T-20 side compared to the Top 5 teams of the world but that CT win was no fluke, it was similar to India's 1983 WC win but you don't see fair people going on and on about that achievement being a fluke and that India didn't deserve it.

Definitely not a fluke, but elements of luck? Yes. As in 1992, we peaked at the right time in the tournament and went on to Win.
Just like India deserved the 1983 World Cup win, Pakistan deserved the 1992 & 2017 CT Win.
All sporting outcomes rely on aspects of luck in some way.

 

[Pakhs]

Fluke or not does it matter? Win is a Win. How is it relevant for Asia Cup? different tournament a year and a half later in different conditions. Pak has never been a great ODI side in UAE and they are yet to crack that code.

 

[Hawkeye]

People are missing the point.

Pak has been woeful against the good teams and have only bashed minnows.

That's the main reason why that ABNORMAL performance is called a fluke. Because 8/10 times the team would lose against the good sides.

We have played 7 matches against proper sides after CT. We have lost ALL OF them.

 

[PakPremi]

Definitely not a fluke, but elements of luck? Yes. As in 1992, we peaked at the right time in the tournament and went on to Win.
Just like India deserved the 1983 World Cup win, Pakistan deserved the 1992 & 2017 CT Win.
All sporting outcomes rely on aspects of luck in some way.

There is element of luck in most matches. We dropped 3 catches of Indian batsmen last match. We did not take DRS and were subject to bad umpiring decisions. Afghan vs India match Rashid Khan was injured hence did not go for an easy catch from Jadeja if catch was taken India would had most certainly lost. So I suggest everyone stop crying over Pakistani teams excellent performance and focus on the current teams deficiencies against the best teams of the world. To me for these pitches it is lack of quality finger spinners in the squad and pak batting order lacking one proper batsman. Sarfraz is decent batsman but not replacement for full time batsman.

 

[the_outsider]

I have seen this news outlet. They are absolute rubbish. Nothing but sensationalist news. They were fishing for that "fluke" angle all the time and Wasim was gracious enough to let them have it.

CT17 was not a fluke. Were Pak the best team in the tournament? No. But they won it, period.

 

[PakPremi]

And if we continue playing good calibre teams we will start winning as long as we only tweak a little with the squad depending on conditions and players form.

 

[the Great Khan]

So the new revisionist narrative continues..just becasue we are finding our way its a fluke? Then the WC 2007 t20 win by India was a fluke too..so was the 1987 Aus WC win a fluke too?? this is ridiculous nonsense..Tournament cricket is a different beast than bilaterals..

 

[Amjid Javed]

I find these chants of Pakistan CT win to be extremely unsporting. Yes Pakistan is a poor ODI and T-20 side compared to the Top 5 teams of the world but that CT win was no fluke, it was similar to India's 1983 WC win but you don't see fair people going on and on about that achievement being a fluke and that India didn't deserve it.

How can Indias 1983 world cup win be a fluke when they were only team to beat W.I in Group stages as well.

As far as ICC CT go, teams like W.I and N.Z have won it when they were weak ODI nations respectively due to format of tournament.

Comparing a CT to a WC is pretty poor.

 

[SM1989]

[MENTION=134482]SM1989[/MENTION]

1) D/L doesn’t favor any team and it’s put in place by ICC not Pakistan

2) Srilanka lost 5-0 to Pakistan after the champions trophy

3) Not Pakistan’s fault

4) Even if you remove the runs scored by Fakhar Pakistan will still be the winner so B**** please ��

1) Doesn't matter, it still worked in Pakistan's favour on that day.

2) Pressure knock out match cannot be compared to a useless bilateral. Pakistan were on their way to losing that game, and then Thisara dropped Sarfraz and Pakistan won as a result.

3) Yes it was not Pakistan's fault, but still Pakistan got the advantage. On any other typical English wicket, Pakistan would have failed against England.

4) Its about momentum, had Fakhar got out there and then, Pakistan would have limped to 230 at max. India would have chased that down easily. Chasing 340 is very different to chasing 230.

So yes it was a fluke.

And it seems you are a new joiner to this forum, so welcome.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=134482]SM1989[/MENTION]

1) D/L doesn’t favor any team and it’s put in place by ICC not Pakistan

2) Srilanka lost 5-0 to Pakistan after the champions trophy

3) Not Pakistan’s fault

4) Even if you remove the runs scored by Fakhar Pakistan will still be the winner so B**** please

That is not the right way of looking at it. That lucky no-ball took away Fakhar’s fear of getting out, and he took the attack to the Indian bowlers. The likes of Babar and Hafeez rode on that momentum and played aggressive knocks against an attack that was already on the defensive.

Had Fakhar been dismissed early on, Babar would have played in his shell as per the norm, and Hafeez wouldn’t have had the license to go after the bowling either. We would at best have trotted to 250, which India would have chased down.

It was a flat pitch but Fakhar’s onslaught floored India. They were dejected and lost the moment Pakistan crossed 300. The match was won in the first innings. We bowled very well, but any bowling attack would have defended 338 in that situation.

 

[Balthazar]

It was a fluke. They failed to win a single match against top teams after that tournament. Now they cannot even compete against Kohli-less India.

 

[MenInG]

It was a fluke. They failed to win a single match against top teams after that tournament. Now they cannot even compete against Kohli-less India.

Read thread title as it generally helps in framing responses.

 

[shaaik]

[/b]

That is not the right way of looking at it. That lucky no-ball took away Fakhar’s fear of getting out, and he took the attack to the Indian bowlers. The likes of Babar and Hafeez rode on that momentum and played aggressive knocks against an attack that was already on the defensive.

Had Fakhar been dismissed early on, Babar would have played in his shell as per the norm, and Hafeez wouldn’t have had the license to go after the bowling either. We would at best have trotted to 250, which India would have chased down.

It was a flat pitch but Fakhar’s onslaught floored India. They were dejected and lost the moment Pakistan crossed 300. The match was won in the first innings. We bowled very well, but any bowling attack would have defended 338 in that situation.

Do u think Pakistan stood a chance in the previous game had Imam not spilled a dolly??

 

[amvbfm]

[/b]

That is not the right way of looking at it. That lucky no-ball took away Fakhar’s fear of getting out, and he took the attack to the Indian bowlers. The likes of Babar and Hafeez rode on that momentum and played aggressive knocks against an attack that was already on the defensive.

Had Fakhar been dismissed early on, Babar would have played in his shell as per the norm, and Hafeez wouldn’t have had the license to go after the bowling either. We would at best have trotted to 250, which India would have chased down.

It was a flat pitch but Fakhar’s onslaught floored India. They were dejected and lost the moment Pakistan crossed 300. The match was won in the first innings. We bowled very well, but any bowling attack would have defended 338 in that situation.

How can you be so sure that your way is the right way of looking at things? If things were so deterministic, the top seeded team would always win every tournament. How can you be sure that if Fakhar had been dismissed, Malik or Babar would not have carried on and scored runs. Also, even if we had scored 250 how can you be completely certain that they would have chased it down? Yes, the odds would've been against Pakistan but that in no way implies that India would have definitely chased down our score. Your conclusion makes it sound as if the result of a 50 over match hinges entirely on one event (in this case the no-ball).

Yes, Fakhar got a break but that doesn't mean that the victory was a fluke or even his own century was one. He used his skills to use that break and on that day things worked for him. In fact I would not even call that no-ball a lucky break. It was simply Bumrah's failure to ball a legal delivery. Come to think of it each and every thing can be attributed to luck and randomness but if you want to look at things from that, rather fatalistic perspective, then it implies that players themselves have very little to do with the results of matches. I would rather that we link results with players skills and performances rather than blaming luck and randomness for everything.

The way things are being described here it appears as if once that wicket was denied the match effectively ended at that point, and nothing anyone did after it mattered. We all know that is not the case and players on both sides continued trying their best to win. Fakhar could've fallen the next ball or he could've batted the entire 50 overs, we simply don't know. If things are as deterministic as you make them sound then why did Kohli, the best batsman in the world, not go on to score a 100 after being dropped? Was that too luck, a fluke, or Kohli's failure to handle Amir's good bowling?

We played better cricket overall and won. Absolutely nothing flukey about it. Just like there was absolutely nothing flukey about the way we were beaten by India two days ago. Or can I say that that too was a fluke because Rohit was dopped by Imam? By your logic the 1999 Australian WC victory can also be called a fluke just because Gibbs dropped Waugh. I absolutely disagree with using the word fluke because it demeans the efforts of the players, all 22 of them that were involved in that game.

 

[amvbfm]

[/b]
We bowled very well, but any bowling attack would have defended 338 in that situation.

kabhi to unqualified tareef bhi kardo Pakistan ki

 

[saeedhk]

He is spot on. How long before Wasim becomes Ppers’ number one enemy.

 

[barah_admi]

Beating South Africa, Sri Lanka, England and then India, all but one being one sided is a fluke?

Akram is loving those Indian rupees too much.

He is however entitled to his opinion, however stupid it may be.

 

[Balthazar]

Read thread title as it generally helps in framing responses.

I am giving my reasons why I think it was a fluke.

 

[Barragan]

No, it wasn't a fluke!

Pak utilised the reverse swing available better than anyone in the tournament and the batting somewhat clicked (or Zaman).

 

[Titan24]

There is no fluke in any sport, never heard people saying that France world cup win was a fluke bcz they were never favourites.

It turns out people involved in cricket are still maturing

 

[mak36]

Read thread title as it generally helps in framing responses.

Title should say "claims" not "admits" in my opinion.

 

[Titan24]

Title should say "claims" not "admits" in my opinion.

Agreed

 

[Hasan123]

CT wasn't a fluke. You can't fluke 4 wins a row. If other teams don't turn up or can't read conditions correctly that isn't Pakistans problem.

 

[aukhan]

Just like 92 World cup was fluke.

 

[captain.hansolo]

I find these chants of Pakistan CT win to be extremely unsporting. Yes Pakistan is a poor ODI and T-20 side compared to the Top 5 teams of the world but that CT win was no fluke, it was similar to India's 1983 WC win but you don't see fair people going on and on about that achievement being a fluke and that India didn't deserve it.

India followed up the 1983 World Cup with the benson and hedges cup. But yes, most Indians and West Indians would admit that 9 out of 10 times the West Indies would have beaten india. And they did just that in a 5-0 Odi series after the World Cup.

Similarly unless Pakistan can follow up the CT cup with some similar display of prowess, their win shall remain a fluke.

 

[austerlitz]

I maintained until today it wasnt a fluke,but now it looks like it was a fluke.Like WI 2004 CT win.Pathetic surrender to Bangladesh A side.

 

[jadaja]

It is fluke in cricketing terms, that margin of vistory was/is not the reflection on how good Pakistan really is as a team.

Rankings don't lie, Pakistan is more like a minnow side than a side which can compete with big boys.

 

[Mp812]

Last 5 encounters in ODI between India v Pakistan
India v Pakistan India won by 76 runs Adelaide/ Feb 15, 2015
India v Pakistan India won by 124 runs Birmingham/Jun 4, 2017
India v Pakistan Pakistan won by 180 runs The Oval/Jun 18, 2017 **
India v Pakistan India won by 8 wickets / 19 overs to spare Dubai (DSC)/Sep 19, 2018
India v Pakistan India won by 9 wickets / 10 overs to spare Dubai (DSC) /Sep 23, 2018

** Looks like a fluke based on the trend

 

[fitCricFan]

With their current performance, our team is surely backing up Wasim bhai's read of the CT win

 

[PakLFC]

There is no way to prove such a thing. Like other teams Pak went to win the tournament as did so. Could have called it a fluke had a Afghanistan or even Bangladesh won it, not Pak.

 

[the_outsider]

There is no way to prove such a thing. Like other teams Pak went to win the tournament as did so. Could have called it a fluke had a Afghanistan or even Bangladesh won it, not Pak.

A bit rich for you to day that right after the phainta they just gave your boys.

 

[shokz1408]

Different tournament, different conditions. It's not a fluke everytime pakistan wins, what's the logic in that? Pakistan has always been an unpredictable team, and you don't win games without hard work! Especially knockout matches in the champions trophy, including semi finals and a victory in the finals v India!

All this asia cup has shown is we are not as good as we might have thought to be. But perhaps not as bad as we are making out to be. It shows this team is really poor in the UAE, that's for sure. But perhaps this team could accomplish much more in England where the bowlers can extract something from the pitch, and at the same time the ball comes on to the bat which is ideal for the likes of fakhar zaman.

The most important thing we have learnt from this tournament, is we have a lack of reliable middle order batsmen and all rounders that aren't all rounders. All this time we thought that we had a lengthened batting line up with the likes of Shadab/Nawaz/Faheem coming in late, it turns out we had a really long tail.

 

[Abdulm123]

Pakistan`s victory was not a fluke, they worked hard to achieve this victory and came back strong from their defeat from India. Does that make the 1999 Australia wc win a fluke since they were close to elimintation, No! they worked hard and grinded an effort for their country

 

[the_outsider]

Different tournament, different conditions. It's not a fluke everytime pakistan wins, what's the logic in that? Pakistan has always been an unpredictable team, and you don't win games without hard work! Especially knockout matches in the champions trophy, including semi finals and a victory in the finals v India!

All this asia cup has shown is we are not as good as we might have thought to be. But perhaps not as bad as we are making out to be. It shows this team is really poor in the UAE, that's for sure. But perhaps this team could accomplish much more in England where the bowlers can extract something from the pitch, and at the same time the ball comes on to the bat which is ideal for the likes of fakhar zaman.

The most important thing we have learnt from this tournament, is we have a lack of reliable middle order batsmen and all rounders that aren't all rounders. All this time we thought that we had a lengthened batting line up with the likes of Shadab/Nawaz/Faheem coming in late, it turns out we had a really long tail.

Just because CT17 went well and it was in England you came to the conclusion that Pak will do well in England?

Pak was poor in CT13. And their last bilateral ODI series in England in 2016 ended in a 4-1 loss.

You are setting yourself up for disappointment if you think your team will turn it all around as soon as they step outside of Heathrow Airport.

 

[rollingstoned]

Welcome to the club, Wasim. I am glad people are finally seeing the light - my efforts are finally bearing to fruit.

is correct but he is going to be abused by PPers who refuse to understand the concepts of statistical anomalies and exceptional extenuating circumstances. If they did there would be less embarrassment and humiliation.

 

[PakPremi]

How can you be so sure that your way is the right way of looking at things? If things were so deterministic, the top seeded team would always win every tournament. How can you be sure that if Fakhar had been dismissed, Malik or Babar would not have carried on and scored runs. Also, even if we had scored 250 how can you be completely certain that they would have chased it down? Yes, the odds would've been against Pakistan but that in no way implies that India would have definitely chased down our score. Your conclusion makes it sound as if the result of a 50 over match hinges entirely on one event (in this case the no-ball).

Yes, Fakhar got a break but that doesn't mean that the victory was a fluke or even his own century was one. He used his skills to use that break and on that day things worked for him. In fact I would not even call that no-ball a lucky break. It was simply Bumrah's failure to ball a legal delivery. Come to think of it each and every thing can be attributed to luck and randomness but if you want to look at things from that, rather fatalistic perspective, then it implies that players themselves have very little to do with the results of matches. I would rather that we link results with players skills and performances rather than blaming luck and randomness for everything.

The way things are being described here it appears as if once that wicket was denied the match effectively ended at that point, and nothing anyone did after it mattered. We all know that is not the case and players on both sides continued trying their best to win. Fakhar could've fallen the next ball or he could've batted the entire 50 overs, we simply don't know. If things are as deterministic as you make them sound then why did Kohli, the best batsman in the world, not go on to score a 100 after being dropped? Was that too luck, a fluke, or Kohli's failure to handle Amir's good bowling?

We played better cricket overall and won. Absolutely nothing flukey about it. Just like there was absolutely nothing flukey about the way we were beaten by India two days ago. Or can I say that that too was a fluke because Rohit was dopped by Imam? By your logic the 1999 Australian WC victory can also be called a fluke just because Gibbs dropped Waugh. I absolutely disagree with using the word fluke because it demeans the efforts of the players, all 22 of them that were involved in that game.

Top past as I said before India could have lost to Afghan had Rashid not been injured which prevented a wholehearted attempt for dolly offered by Jadoo.