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Just three words :-

1. Hustle
2. Loyalty
3. Respect


Shastri ticks all boxes and does his job with utmost passion.

He is a proud man and a hard core nationalist who takes no non sense from SENA nations.

He has helped made India ruthless and surely he could turn Pakistan's fortunes as well.
 
Our problems are much deeper. No matter how good the coach is, it won't mask the underlying problems which are present within our setup
 
What you have stated could also apply to Miandad. How passionate was that guy as our coach. Loyalty, passionate, proud man and a hardcore nationalist for sure
 
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Tbh, this might not be a bad idea, but only thing is, if we had a pakistani ravi shastri. Because, obviously being Indian, his loyalty would remain towards India no matter how hard he tries, especially when it comes to India vs Pakistan.
 
Your comment about being hard core nationalist, I remeber when BCCI was going through internal management mess due to supreme courts orders of lodha reforms or something like that, ICC tried to strangulate BCCI sensing this opportunity by making some decisions which BCCI wouldn't have liked. I remember Ravi Shastri saying something like, "These guys are trying to take advantage of our internal downside at the moment. But we are like a lion, once we stand back up again, these people will have no place to hide" So yes, we need some hard core nationalist like him. :trump2
 
Zakaz said:
Tbh, this might not be a bad idea, but only thing is, if we had a pakistani ravi shastri. Because, obviously being Indian, his loyalty would remain towards India no matter how hard he tries, especially when it comes to India vs Pakistan.
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Only one name comes to mind :raja
 
Is Ravi Shastri coaching us or John SENA?
 
For a nation with as much talent as Pakistan, you need coaches such as Shastri to nurture that talent and unleash them in tests. Look at the work he has done with a team of cricketers with limited abilities like India. We are on the verge of winning our first ever series in Australia! If a team like Pakistan with loads of natural flair and aggression had a coach half as good, we would see Sarfraz mentioned in the same breath as Lloyd/Waugh as captain instead of being humiliated by an SA team with its worst batting lineup in 50 years!
 
:))) :))) :)))

This is the most beizzatti we can take on the chin. Much more humiliating than what any commentator has said about us in the ongoing series.
 
Why not, Pakistan should take him immediately.

We'll take Mickey Arthur.
 
Suleiman said:
Is Ravi Shastri coaching us or John SENA?
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Shastry will turn ant team into John Cena with his passion and aggression.

Besides in press conferences he will tracer bullets instead of soft excuses.
 
It's insulting to even ask this question.

Shastri is an ATG coach. Of course, he can turn Pakistan into a very good side, if not world beaters.
 
I'm not sure if Shastri is fond of Pakistani beers!

What we need is a strong charismatic captain like Imran Khan or A.H.Kardar. Someone who is good student of the game and as a player is respected worldwide like Kholi. Trust me, a coach no matter how great will never make a difference.
 
greatest said:
I'm not sure if Shastri is fond of Pakistani beers!

What we need is a strong charismatic captain like Imran Khan or A.H.Kardar. Someone who is good student of the game and as a player is respected worldwide like Kholi. Trust me, a coach no matter how great will never make a difference.
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Forget about being student of the game most modern day sub continent players including Indians werent rven good students at school.

It is one the reasons why this region has stopped producing great cricketing intellectuals like Ramiz Raja and Ravi Shastry.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
For a nation with as much talent as Pakistan, you need coaches such as Shastri to nurture that talent and unleash them in tests. Look at the work he has done with a team of cricketers with limited abilities like India. We are on the verge of winning our first ever series in Australia! If a team like Pakistan with loads of natural flair and aggression had a coach half as good, we would see Sarfraz mentioned in the same breath as Lloyd/Waugh as captain instead of being humiliated by an SA team with its worst batting lineup in 50 years!
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Hahaha so true..
 
Today Pakistan has proved that they are indeed a lion hearted team!

Always remember lions can never be lead by a sheep!
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Ravi will be a disaster as Pakistan coach.

When was the last time Pakistan had a good coach anyway? Historically, only Intikhab Alam has been somewhat successful in the role. Bob Woolmer seemed to be doing a good job, but we all know what happened to him.

Ravi's brash cowboy approach will irk most Pakistani players, almost all of whom think they are super talented and deserve to be captain.
 
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gani999 said:
Ravi will be a disaster as Pakistan coach.

When was the last time Pakistan had a good coach anyway? Bob Woolmer seemed to be doing a good job, but we all know what happened to him.
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Wow. That’s quite a low blow. I don’t think t was necessary. But to each their own.
 
I think from India Ganguly would be best Coach for Pakistan. At least the team combination would be spot on.
 
We have the best coach possible. What we need are better selectors who aren't cheating him with their biased selections.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
For a nation with as much talent as Pakistan, you need coaches such as Shastri to nurture that talent and unleash them in tests. Look at the work he has done with a team of cricketers with limited abilities like India. We are on the verge of winning our first ever series in Australia! If a team like Pakistan with loads of natural flair and aggression had a coach half as good, we would see Sarfraz mentioned in the same breath as Lloyd/Waugh as captain instead of being humiliated by an SA team with its worst batting lineup in 50 years!
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:))) So true and look for the first tour their batsmen have done so well on such hard turfs.
 
Most Indians I know don't want Ravi Shastri themselves. Also, I can literally smell the alcohol off the screen when I see him on TV :ravi

We need someone like Dravid. The stuff he's done with the U-19 team is truly incredible.
 
Rishta Aunty said:
We need someone like Dravid. The stuff he's done with the U-19 team is truly incredible.
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You need more coaching and guidance at the U19/'A' level than you do as an international cricketer. That's why someone like Dravid is perfect for the U19 team. At the international level, man management is a lot more important than technical skills.
 
Not that simple with Pakistan though. We need a more stable hand as a coach. Apart from Woolmer, we've literally had a Shastri-like bombastic clone as the coach forever.
 
Varun said:
Mickey Arthur didn't have to plot an overthrow of the incumbent coach and be in cahoots with the captain to get the job.

He made it on merit.
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Who cares about internal politics of BCCI as long as the indian team is winning? It was Kumble's fault that he was on logger heads with the best Indian cricketer to grace their history.
 
On a purely cricketing level, Shastri seems like a yes man to Kolhi who's very bombastic. I would actually fault Mickey for talking our players up too much without the performance to back that up. That the last thing we need in Pakistan cricket right now. I'd like someone with a quiet dignity like Dravid (my favourite Indian player). Sadly, I don't see anyone similar in our ex-players.
 
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Shastri would be the worst Manager Pakistan could hope for. He's a "Yes man" and "let them do their thing" type of coach, and that's the last thing Pakistan would want. Historically, Pakistani players are used to living under an authoritative figure, someone who can lead by example. They are used to being told what to do and then being taken to task when they don't do those things. When suddenly a student used to "danda" finds freedom, he doesn't really know what to do, and that's what will happen if Shastri type person becomes the coach.
 
Sorry but no matter how poor the Pakistani team is right now, Mickey Arthur is the right person to coach Pakistan, i wouldn't even appoint Ravi Shastri as the ball boy. India can keep him
 
Savak said:
Sorry but no matter how poor the Pakistani team is right now, Mickey Arthur is the right person to coach Pakistan, i wouldn't even appoint Ravi Shastri as the ball boy. India can keep him
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Mickey Arthur does two things

1.Give excuses
2. Play to the galleries by hyping up Pakistani players.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Mickey Arthur does two things

1.Give excuses
2. Play to the galleries by hyping up Pakistani players.
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Lol, what will Ravi Shastri do differently? Mickey Arthur as coach irrespective of how he feels deep down has to back his team and players in public
 
Savak said:
Lol, what will Ravi Shastri do differently? Mickey Arthur as coach irrespective of how he feels deep down has to back his team and players in public
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Not saying Shastri but Arthur is hardly the guy Pakistan needs.

Back your players by calling Asad Shafiq as good as Tendulkar and Babar as good as Kohli? If thats the truth then you have two bonafide ATGs in your line up and should not be struggling. He plays to the gallery and you guys lap it up.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Not saying Shastri but Arthur is hardly the guy Pakistan needs.

Back your players by calling Asad Shafiq as good as Tendulkar and Babar as good as Kohli? If thats the truth then you have two bonafide ATGs in your line up and should not be struggling. He plays to the gallery and you guys lap it up.
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He firmly believes in these players and his comments are deliberately taken out of context to suit some convoluted narrative. Really expect better from you CJ.
 
MenInG said:
He firmly believes in these players and his comments are deliberately taken out of context to suit some convoluted narrative. Really expect better from you CJ.
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I dont know if his comments were taken out of context,i commented on the basis of what i read. I am sorry if i fell for some twisted narrative.

Sorry bro this is frustrating. As a cricket fan you follow certain teams. For me after India, its SA Aus and Pakistan, its mainly because i love watching fast bowling and batting with flair.

Asad Shafiq avgs 39 after 68 tests and at 32 he isnt going to improve. If someone tells me that there is no one in Pakistan who is capable of avging 40 plus with the bat i am not taking that. Glorifying him to be as good as Tendulkar is playing to the galleries.


Similarly Babbar Azam is avging less than 35 after 20 tests. Now he is young and may improve, but those changes needed to his batting cannot come at test match level. His FC avg over 50 matches is 37. So there is a fundamental issue somewhere and he needs to sort it out in FC cricket before coming to test cricket.

Hyping them unnecessarily isnt working.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Not saying Shastri but Arthur is hardly the guy Pakistan needs.

Back your players by calling Asad Shafiq as good as Tendulkar and Babar as good as Kohli? If thats the truth then you have two bonafide ATGs in your line up and should not be struggling. He plays to the gallery and you guys lap it up.
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Did you see how Shafiq and Bobby Azam played yesterday? If you did you would not be saying such disrespectful stuff about Pakistan cricket. Please show some respect.

Expected better from you.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Not saying Shastri but Arthur is hardly the guy Pakistan needs.

Back your players by calling Asad Shafiq as good as Tendulkar and Babar as good as Kohli? If thats the truth then you have two bonafide ATGs in your line up and should not be struggling. He plays to the gallery and you guys lap it up.
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I think you're basing all your understanding of Arthur's coaching on two statements.

First of all on Shafiq - He said he can visualise Tendulkar in his batting i.e. in some of his shots.

On Babar, he said that he was comparable to Kohli at a similar age, so basically saying he was comparable to the 22-year-old Kohli. At 22, Kohli had not done a lot.

Anyway, there is a lot more to Arthur as a Head Coach than his statements in pressers. He's a good coach, sure he's made plenty of errors too but he's very good.
 
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Abdullah719 said:
I think you're basing all your understanding of Arthur's coaching on two statements.

First of all on Shafiq - He said he can visualise Tendulkar in his batting i.e. in some of his shots.

On Babar, he said that he was comparable to Kohli at a similar age, so basically saying he was comparable to the 22-year-old Kohli. At 22, Kohli had not done a lot.

Anyway, there is a lot more to Arthur as a Head Coach than his statements in pressers. He's a good coach, sure he's made plenty of errors too but he's very good.
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Arthur is a wonderful coach, although on some occasions he has messed up. The ultimate issue he faces is that Pakistan is filled with deeply mediocre players- and unfortunately these are the best lot in the country.
 
Slim said:
Who cares about internal politics of BCCI as long as the indian team is winning? It was Kumble's fault that he was on logger heads with the best Indian cricketer to grace their history.
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You mean Kohli is the best Indian cricketer in India's history.

No comments :O
 
Role of coach in Cricket is incredibly overrated. We have had so many different ones over the years yet the obsession with changing it remains. It is desperation on part of certain fans when we are not improving in Test Cricket. Ravi will do no better or worse then Mickey Arthur. The coach can not produce gems out of nothing when the well is devoid of talent...when it's totally dry. I still feel the best coach we've had was the late Bob Woolmer.
 
He'll do a much better job than Mickey Arthur and I'd rather have him coaching Pakistan.
 
A coach cant do nothing with the current bunch

Mickey is one of the top guys in the business. I have great respect for Shastri though, the Pakistani players would probably enjoy him around due to no language barrier.
 
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He is a proud man. Pakistan would do good to have someone like him at the helm but as a manager. But he is more of a motivator, a fire and brimstone kinda guy, like Pakistan have had in the 90's like an Imran or a Javed. Am not sure how he can contribute with improving techniques and that sorta thing. Indians right now have batting, bowling and fielding coaches and most of them don't need skill training, but do Pakistan have the necessary skill at the top level to go with a motivator who is not much of coach. Do they have strong batting and bowling coaches etc? Ravi I remember in 2001 during India's infamour tour of SA where half the team were banned for excessive appealing by Mike Deness and who was subsequently silent during the press conference called by the ICC, Ravi who was a commentator barges into the room and tears into Mike asking whats he doing here if he cannot talk. He likes things larger than life, Pakistan can have someone like to him to instill nationalistic values and bravado but alongside a more sober coach
 
redmaverik84 said:
He is a proud man. Pakistan would do good to have someone like him at the helm but as a manager. But he is more of a motivator, a fire and brimstone kinda guy, like Pakistan have had in the 90's like an Imran or a Javed. Am not sure how he can contribute with improving techniques and that sorta thing.
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Actually, why not?

He was quite the cricketer in his days and an all rounder actually. Coaches with far lesser technical knowledge have done great work with teams. People assume things and its probably Shastry's overall image as an outspoken person which shadows the technical stuff he might be doing behind the doors.

Don't go by the cover of the book. Shastry's been around for decades now. After cricket hes commentated in hundreds of matches around the globe. He's knowledgeable, proactive and quite updated.

He's been working with Indian team and guiding them as a touring commentator for years.
 
The problem isn't the coach, it runs deeper than that. The whole PCB setup needs to change and adapt to today's times.
 
Pakistan really need a coach like Shastri with jazba , daleri and badmashi. These submissive types like Misbah won't get you anywhere. Bhaijaan was right all along.
 
We need a technical and professional coach. Cheerleaders like Shastri and novices like Misbah won't get our current team anywhere.
 
Ravi would teach a tracer bullet drive to Babar and Jazba to Naseem on a night out in Lahore 😂
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Actually, why not?

He was quite the cricketer in his days and an all rounder actually. Coaches with far lesser technical knowledge have done great work with teams. People assume things and its probably Shastry's overall image as an outspoken person which shadows the technical stuff he might be doing behind the doors.

Don't go by the cover of the book. Shastry's been around for decades now. After cricket hes commentated in hundreds of matches around the globe. He's knowledgeable, proactive and quite updated.

He's been working with Indian team and guiding them as a touring commentator for years.
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Well self improvement is one thing he can teach. He moved from 11 to opening successfully
Also he famously said if he was Mumbai Capra during Kambli he would have sorted him out
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Pakistan really need a coach like Shastri with jazba , daleri and badmashi. These submissive types like Misbah won't get you anywhere. Bhaijaan was right all along.
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Dude, we had the coach we needed. He just needed better selectors around him to guide him. Mickey was excellent at developing players and giving them confidence. Most of these fans are impatient and ignorant and just expect the team to jump from bottom to first while developing players. Mickey was given a team in the dumps and a bunch of unfinished products. He overproduced with what he was given and now people are realizing the stupid mistake they've made.
 
At this level a team need a manager not a coach, yes there need to be specific position coaches to help with bowling, fielding and batting to identify and fix mechanical Deterioration. Pakistan need to invest in grass root level and develop players who are who has the ability. A coach at international level can’t do diddly squat if he don’t have the talent pool.
 
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Birdman said:
At this level a team need a manager not a coach, yes there need to be specific position coaches to help with bowling, fielding and batting to identify and fix mechanical Deterioration. Pakistan need to invest in grass root level and develop players who are who has the ability. A coach at international level can’t do diddly squat if he don’t have the talent pool. “You cannot polish t**d.”
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lack of talent is rubbish. pakistam have plenty of talent. just not nurtured properly.
Anyway even if they aren't talented, skill gap can be closed with elite level fitness factor. That alone will make pakistam powerful again if they work on their fitness.

That's what they lack tbh. athleticism. Need to change their diets.
 
Actually of all the "if..then.." threads we have on this forum, this one actually makes a lot of sense. I for one think that yes he would be the ideal coach for Pakistan because the biggest problem Pakistan team has is lack of confidence, inferiority complex and insecurity. Shastri is no good for India as he has made our already overconfident players arrogant, but for Pakistan he could be the right fit. I always feel Shastri is not a head coach but a head cheerleader, and Pakistan players desperately needs that.
 
lifecric7 said:
Ravi would teach a tracer bullet drive to Babar and Jazba to Naseem on a night out in Lahore ��
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Night out in Lahore? What is this mysterious thing that you speak of?
 
Rahul Dravid will be the ideal coach for Pakistan. And I will give you the reasons why -

1 -Players from all countries respect him.
2- Very approachable.
3- Will always stand up for players. Will earn the respect of Pakistani players.
4- Will glue the team together.
5- Will teach them to be fighters and stick to the crease, even if one cant score much runs.

And if Saurav Ganguly can lead the PCB in any capacity, this same set of Pakistani players will become one of the best.
 
tyron_woodley said:
lack of talent is rubbish. pakistam have plenty of talent. just not nurtured properly.
Anyway even if they aren't talented, skill gap can be closed with elite level fitness factor. That alone will make pakistam powerful again if they work on their fitness.

That's what they lack tbh. athleticism. Need to change their diets.
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I disagree. What PCT and PCB lacks is professionalism.

Cricket today is a highly professional sports. Unfortunately, PCB, Pakistani cricket ecosystem and frankly, countless other Institutions in Pakistan today are no longer at the level where they should be to remain competitive on the global stage.

This is not the place to get into other stuff so I won't but I am afraid that what we're seeing of PCT is symptomatic of a problem that is plaguing the nation in all spheres today.
 
Not really, Ravi shastri is basically a yes man, kohli runs the entire set up in the elite squads
 
Ravi is one of the best coaches in the cricketing world rn. Kumble lovers can take a hike.
 
Amir Sohail might be the Pakistan equivalent. He sounds very intelligent cricketwise and strong personality.
 
Manunited18 said:
Not really, Ravi shastri is basically a yes man, kohli runs the entire set up in the elite squads
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He is anything but a yes man and that image of his is well known in cricket world.

Having said that when you have heavyweights of the stature of Tendulkar or Kohli leading the Indian dressing room, you obviously have to make compromises on authority which in this case seems like a mutual relationship. Kohli also doesn't undermine Shastri and vice versa.
 
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