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Not that Pakistan will need help but wondering how the world would react if that happened?
 
The world did stood by India when India illegally attacked Pakistan without any shred of evidence of Pakistan's involvement in Pulwama.

The world not only stood by but supported India's illegal narrative which India expected it without providing any shred of evidence against Pakistan. It is just that narrative had support from the world until Pak decided to exercise its legal rights to retaliate against the aggressor.

Pakistan only had Turkey and China's support to legally retaliate against the aggressor regime of India.

But lets not confuse the important point, India isn't Russia and Pakistan is not Ukraine.
 
LaLoco said:
The world did stood by India when India illegally attacked Pakistan without any shred of evidence of Pakistan's involvement in Pulwama.

The world not only stood by but supported India's illegal narrative which India expected it without providing any shred of evidence against Pakistan. It is just that narrative had support from the world until Pak decided to exercise its legal rights to retaliate against the aggressor.

Pakistan only had Turkey and China's support to legally retaliate against the aggressor regime of India.

But lets not confuse the important point, India isn't Russia and Pakistan is not Ukraine.
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Well you cannot stop people from thinking that - and with that can come miscalculation, death and destruction.
 
Sadly the world is known as the 'International Community' which is really only the west and its allies.

An all out war between India - Pakistan will result in the whole planet would fall into darkness and despair.

India and Pak may love a fist fight from time to time, they may say nasty stuff about each other but there are too many in both who wouldnt allow nuclear weapons to be used.

Ukraine is not being supported with arms by most of the planet, only UK, Germany, US are cheerleading them to bloodshed. India , Pakistan should unite and demand peace talks between Nato and Russia but stay neutral. If we take different sides, they will encourage us to attack each other.
 
LaLoco said:
The world did stood by India when India illegally attacked Pakistan without any shred of evidence of Pakistan's involvement in Pulwama.

The world not only stood by but supported India's illegal narrative which India expected it without providing any shred of evidence against Pakistan. It is just that narrative had support from the world until Pak decided to exercise its legal rights to retaliate against the aggressor.

Pakistan only had Turkey and China's support to legally retaliate against the aggressor regime of India.

But lets not confuse the important point, India isn't Russia and Pakistan is not Ukraine.
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Providing a shred of evidence? Do you expect India to provide evidence here?

Evidence was provided to the UNSC which named a Pakistani organization and UNSC banned pakistanis. China didn't veto it.
 
Any indian battle formation would be vaporised on pakistan soil using a battlefield nuke with low yield and all would remain is a mushroom cloud .

After 65 and 71 humiliations and then 99 debacle the pakistan generals won't take chances they have clearly told india Any attack we will use tactical nukes.
 
Neutral countries will take the morally correct stand or negotiate price where India will end up with more supporters.

Friends and foes will go with their natural inclination.

Countries that will support Pakistan regardless of its fault are the usual suspects - china, turkey, malaysia.

Countries that will support India regardless of its fault are Russia, Israel, France.
 
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mazkhan said:
Any indian battle formation would be vaporised on pakistan soil using a battlefield nuke with low yield and all would remain is a mushroom cloud .

After 65 and 71 humiliations and then 99 debacle the pakistan generals won't take chances they have clearly told india Any attack we will use tactical nukes.
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This is a foregone conclusion that India will not be the inititor of any invasion. Its entirely upto Pakistan if they want to bring it upon themselves.
 
Since both countries have become nuclear armed states - India's conventional numerical strength is not enough to prod it for an invasion.

The last full fledged war India and Pakistan fought was back in 1971 when the whole global order was different and the two super powers at the time USA and USSR instead of stopping the war actually took sides (USA for Pakistan and USSR for India).
 
I think its the best time for India to Invade Pakistan or atleast take back JK ......
 
if anything the current war in ukraine should make people realise war is not some sports event, wars of aggression on other peoples land are extremely difficult, you can get involved in generational conflicts and still end up losing.

pak and india love to skirmish but the presence of nuclear weapons means no one in their right mind anywhere in the world would tolerate a full blown war.
 
I don't think it is India's interest or even it is their main priority.

Even the whole phainta to poor Abhinandhan was caused by Zionists who wanted to test PAF.

That said, Pak have strong allies in Turkey and China.

I'd also expect Afghans to cross border and fight in Pakistan border area if we are ever invaded.

Iran will stay neutral.
 
India ain't gonna attack Pak unless they want to be nuked. Yes they will retaliate in similar kind so we're all history. more then anything else the west cares about Ukraine and Russia coz it is happening in Europe's backyard. With China sitting in Ladakh the India has plenty to worry about as does Pak with the situation in Afghanistan forever volatile.
 
There would be sanctions.. dont know why pakistanis think that india would get away...

When india tested nuclears in the 90s, sanctions were imposed on them, thus obviously if an invasion is to take place sanctions would be imposed.

Also, the world has been very kind to Pakistan, the nation that allowed foreigners and its own citizens to die in hands of taliban and kept Bin ladden hidden in the back yard while taking aid in his name.

Thus, if we are to say that world is kind to India, it has also overlooked many times when we were involved.

Its just that now we are getting money from imf, that they have decided to rightly impose reforms that would actually help our economy in the long run
 
Lonewarrior said:
I think its the best time for India to Invade Pakistan or atleast take back JK ......
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If india rellat wanted JK, shimla agreement would never had been signed. Shimla agreements purpose was to hush up the kashmiri issue that Pakistan was able to bring lime light on.... If India is to make a move on kashmir and new lines are drawn, it will cause the kashmir issue to lit up again and that isnt what india would want.

In the longer run ideally pakistan would want to settle for kashmir valley while the rest of ladkh and jammu can go to india who can than settle it with the chinese. But as long as chinese stand powerful, india would prefer it to stay a disputed territory...

India cant really make a move on JK, cause it bites back either way
 
Major said:
If india rellat wanted JK, shimla agreement would never had been signed. Shimla agreements purpose was to hush up the kashmiri issue that Pakistan was able to bring lime light on.... If India is to make a move on kashmir and new lines are drawn, it will cause the kashmir issue to lit up again and that isnt what india would want.

In the longer run ideally pakistan would want to settle for kashmir valley while the rest of ladkh and jammu can go to india who can than settle it with the chinese. But as long as chinese stand powerful, india would prefer it to stay a disputed territory...

India cant really make a move on JK, cause it bites back either way
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India is still a poor third world country ( Bhakths claim otherwise) and has so many problems to handle. Why would it initiate a war with a nuclear neighbor and risk everything. There are no winners in any wars and especially if it goes nuclear.
 
Don;t know about the world but Saudi Arabia and UAE will stand with India, for financial reasons , they can sell their mother if the price is right.
 
To be honest, it is the west who has been initiating wars all the time and then tagging others along with it.

Desi countries are like bitter neighbors. They may shout, throw slangs but doesn't invade each other generally.

Though Europe does seem stable, its equilibrium is very volatile and one wrong move everything breaks loose.

Europe is perhaps the most unsettling area compared to others.
 
mazkhan said:
Any indian battle formation would be vaporised on pakistan soil using a battlefield nuke with low yield and all would remain is a mushroom cloud .

After 65 and 71 humiliations and then 99 debacle the pakistan generals won't take chances they have clearly told india Any attack we will use tactical nukes.
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India has Said any use of nukes, tactical or otherwise will mean a full scale nuclear retaliation by India.
 
Lego20 said:
This is a foregone conclusion that India will not be the inititor of any invasion. Its entirely upto Pakistan if they want to bring it upon themselves.
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That is Russia style logic.

Basically what you are saying is that India is free to come up with an excuse to invade Pakistan.
 
People here talking about nukes as if it's the same easy as buying potatoes in market.

Nukes probably won't happen regardless how much severity it can get if the two parties that is involved are India and Pakistan.

Nukes may happen only in world war. Otherwise no.
 
MenInG said:
That is Russia style logic.

Basically what you are saying is that India is free to come up with an excuse to invade Pakistan.
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This thought process reflects victim mentality and paranoia to be honest.

If India wanted to find an excuse, Kashmir issue was enough.
 
Itachi said:
This thought process reflects victim mentality and paranoia to be honest.

If India wanted to find an excuse, Kashmir issue was enough.
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That, all past wars, cross border terrorism, fake Indian currency notes forgery, drug smuggling, abetting insurgency and meddling etc were initiated and continues to this day by Pakistan is not enough to open their eyes.
 
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Do you any of you believe India or Pakistan can afford a full fledged war given their state of economy?
 
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I don't think both countries can get to the stage of initiating invasion even. Unless either side is fool enough to just do it without informing any of their allies, once India/Pak discuss their intentions with US/China depending on who the invading party is, they will immediately be told to drop it.

US/China or any global power will not leave it to chance to see a nuclear power invade another.

So no it will never happen. There is a reason both countries sought to get nuclear weapons, it is this very deterrent that has ensured there is no full fledged war between the 2 countries and with what's happened to Ukraine, it should just show what a joke the NPT treaty is and how useless international community is.
 
The world just can't afford to standby and watch two nuclear powers go head to head.
 
Major said:
There would be sanctions.. dont know why pakistanis think that india would get away...

When india tested nuclears in the 90s, sanctions were imposed on them, thus obviously if an invasion is to take place sanctions would be imposed.

Also, the world has been very kind to Pakistan, the nation that allowed foreigners and its own citizens to die in hands of taliban and kept Bin ladden hidden in the back yard while taking aid in his name.

Thus, if we are to say that world is kind to India, it has also overlooked many times when we were involved.

Its just that now we are getting money from imf, that they have decided to rightly impose reforms that would actually help our economy in the long run
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That just suggests there was more than meets the eye regarding Pakistan and the alleged OBL business, USA was always remarkably tolerant with Pakistan because they knew they could pay the govt/army off and spin whatever yarn suited them.

Pakistan has always been a US asset, not because they like Pakistanis in particular, but because they are a counterweight to India, and also it's useful to have an ally in such a strategic area.

Would they intervene? Not directly, but they'd probably support a proxy resistance of some type just to keep things in balance in that part of the world.
 
Itachi said:
This thought process reflects victim mentality and paranoia to be honest.

If India wanted to find an excuse, Kashmir issue was enough.
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India did find an excuse and ended up getting serve a cup of tea.

so lets not try to minimize that BJP hasn't already tried it just did not go their way.
 
Lego20 said:
That, all past wars, cross border terrorism, fake Indian currency notes forgery, drug smuggling, abetting insurgency and meddling etc were initiated and continues to this day by Pakistan is not enough to open their eyes.
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Our eyes are open, we acknowledge it and if Pakistan can then why not destroy an aggressor extremist regime in the region for the great peace of the region :)
 
LaLoco said:
India did find an excuse and ended up getting serve a cup of tea.

so lets not try to minimize that BJP hasn't already tried it just did not go their way.
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Meh. Those are just poking with needles.

My subject was rather war.
 
Wars are started by those who can either afford it or have economies that can withstand international sanctions or are immune to them.
India has none such attributes. If they could afford to start a war with Pakistan, they would have a few years ago instead they opted for surgical strikes, knocked down a few trees, lost a few aircraft in the process, managed to get one of their pilots a beating by the Pakistani public which was captured on camera shamefully, did some marketing for our tea, etc, etc.. all very dramatic but no war.

I bet Putin would have gone to town with Ukraine over something like that. But Russia is too oversized and India and Pakistan match militarily.
 
Why would India want to invade Pakistan though ? Democracies don't attack other countries and take away their land .. atleast not since the liberal post WW2 order was instituted, well rarely.
 
RexRex said:
Why would India want to invade Pakistan though ? Democracies don't attack other countries and take away their land .. atleast not since the liberal post WW2 order was instituted, well rarely.
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Apart from that, I have pointed out many times that for India it is better that Pakistan is a separate country, otherwise if they tried to reintegrate it into India, they would suddenly double their Muslim population, wiping out BJP power in one stroke.

I don't know why this hasn't got through yet.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Apart from that, I have pointed out many times that for India it is better that Pakistan is a separate country, otherwise if they tried to reintegrate it into India, they would suddenly double their Muslim population, wiping out BJP power in one stroke.
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It would be good for BJP's electoral prospects no doubt but why would it be good for India ? Would India have different laws and freedoms if it had double the muslim population? Maybe the beef laws would cease to exist ..
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Apart from that, I have pointed out many times that for India it is better that Pakistan is a separate country, otherwise if they tried to reintegrate it into India, they would suddenly double their Muslim population, wiping out BJP power in one stroke.

I don't know why this hasn't got through yet.
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I think the prospects of war between Pakistan and India will be based around Kashmir and the land dispute and not about annihilation or assimilation by one or the other. In India, this prospect is further convoluted because their RW like to use it as an election card. In Pakistan there is no such thing, but we genuinely desire Kashmir. So far no one party has shown inclination (more than the next party) to use the "Kashmir" card to gain votes. The army may have its own agenda or reasons behind Kargil and whatnot.

In theory, neither of the two counties gains anything from wiping out the other or assimilating it.
 
RajBan said:
Do you any of you believe India or Pakistan can afford a full fledged war given their state of economy?
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Even with a complete stable excellent economy, both countries will not go to war anytime soon other than BJP government trying to raise heat for domestic consumption.
 
LaLoco said:
Our eyes are open, we acknowledge it and if Pakistan can then why not destroy an aggressor extremist regime in the region for the great peace of the region :)
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It's not like Pakistan has not tried messing with India. It just lost every time it did. Even lost half of its land area during one of the attempts in 1971. :)

But coming back to the thread, neither Pakistan nor India will initiate any invasion over the Kashmir issue. Both countries are only too aware of the consequences. It is simply not worth the trouble.
 
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