"Wrong to assume T20 World Cup will be between Ind & Eng / can’t write-off Pak, NZ & Aus": Moeen Ali

[Bilal7]

So why did Moeen play for a alcohol making company's team? Where did the money to buy tye team come from?

Why don't you ask him? It could be for several reasons.

 

[Bilal7]

Will anyone refuse a request like that and invite bad PR and backlash? These things are more out of compulsion than anything else.

The point is that there is no reason to refuse a request like that. It does not harm the company at all.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Moeen was extremely professional. He lives in the first world where people are free to practice their religion. The only reason this is notable is because it happened in India, during the height of the Modi circus.

Then he should stay in that first world and not come here to earn his bread.

Modi's is India's elected PM. He has been given the right to govern the country by the people. Unlike selected PMs.

The reason this is notable is because more often than not, professionals are expected to keep their religion away from their place of work and demand that exceptions be made for their religion.

 

[Rajdeep]

I have a feeling the final will be between India & Pakistan in Narendra Modi Stadium.
[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

 

[cricketjoshila]

The point is that there is no reason to refuse a request like that. It does not harm the company at all.

The point is that religion based exceptions are being demaned. And they are being complied with due to fear.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then he should stay in that first world and not come here to earn his bread.

Modi's is India's elected PM. He has been given the right to govern the country by the people. Unlike selected PMs.

The reason this is notable is because more often than not, professionals are expected to keep their religion away from their place of work and demand that exceptions be made for their religion.

Not demand*

 

[Bilal7]

Then he should stay in that first world and not come here to earn his bread.

Modi's is India's elected PM. He has been given the right to govern the country by the people. Unlike selected PMs.

The reason this is notable is because more often than not, professionals are expected to keep their religion away from their place of work and demand that exceptions be made for their religion.

Who are you exactly? CSK paid Moeen Ali a lot of money and had no issues with removing that logo from his jersey. No one gives a rat's tail about what someone like you thinks.

CSK is an IPL franchise that deals with a lot of overseas professionals. They cannot act like the average, Islamophobic Indian business.

I have a feeling the final will be between India & Pakistan in Narendra Modi Stadium.
[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

That would be great.

The point is that religion based exceptions are being demaned. And they are being complied with due to fear.

This comment makes zero sense. You're acting like this is more than removing one logo from a couple of jerseys.

 

[sindhiboy]

Australia and India are the likely finalists for me.
India beat a full strength england side without bumrah recently.

India should win with their explosive batting line up.
Spin bowling is s India's problem

 

[rhony]

Australia and India are the likely finalists for me.
India beat a full strength england side without bumrah recently.

India should win with their explosive batting line up.
Spin bowling is s India's problem

It's a T20 tournament that can turn with one over of batting or bowling. There are atleast 4 favorite teams. I wouldn't be surprised if a Gunathilaka goes crazy and smashes 80 runs in 30 balls against India and knocks India out. Bangladesh almost knocked India out in the last T20 world cup.

 

[Mamoon]

You know nothing about Islam which is why you're coming up with poor comment after poor comment. Promoting a sinful activity is far worse than doing the sin yourself. Having a logo on your shirt makes you personally responsible for its promotion.

Cheerleaders have nothing to do with Moeen or any other Muslim cricketer which is why no one has any issues playing T20 cricket. Cheerleaders have been a feature in international cricket as well.

Stop judging others and focus on where you stand. Slandering someone is a grievous sin.

I am a Muslim too, and unlike you, I don’t live in a country where my tax money is used to kill innocent Muslims in Afghanistan and the Middle East.

I also know enough about Islam to know that looking at half-naked, dancing girls is a sin.

If you are going to be strict enough to the point where you think sporting a mere logo on your shirt is akin to promoting a sinful activity, you simply cannot side-step the cheerleaders issue.

Yes they are present in international cricket as well, and if Moeen is so religious, he should stop playing cricket altogether in order to avoid committing the sin of watching half-naked girls doing vulgar dance.

But that is the problem with Muslims today. We all become religious when it is convenient and look for excuses and justifications when it is not convenient.

In Moeen’s case, demanding a logo on his shirt to be removed is convenient, but not playing IPL and not playing cricket to avoid putting himself in a situation where he has to watch half-naked dancing girls is super inconvenient.

We become religious and liberal depending on our own convenience, and what is hilarious is that we try to find excuses and justifications instead of simply admitting our hypocrisy.

Your justification is laughable - wearing a shirt with a logo of an alcohol brand is “promoting a sinful activity”, but playing in a tournament with cheerleaders and parties, and more importantly, taking salary from a team that is sponsored by an alcohol company is not “promoting a sinful activity”.

The excuses and justifications are amazing.

Is it is hypocritical of Moeen to make a fuss of the logo on his shirt and not the dancing girls that his eyes would inevitably fall on at some point in the tournament? Yes, 100%, and there is no way around this.

It is a black and white issue. Looking at cheerleaders, and putting yourself in situations where you might inadvertently end up looking at them is haraam.

 

[Technics 1210]

At least Mamoon admits the IPL is a vulgar dog and pony show.

 

[OMB]

‘Something drastic’: Stuart Broad would back social media boycott over abuse

Stuart Broad has suggested England’s cricket team would be willing to join football clubs’ boycotting of social media in order to “make a stand” against online abuse.

The Championship clubs Swansea and Birmingham and the recently crowned Scottish champions, Rangers, are in the midst of a week-long social media blackout in protest against racist abuse of individuals. The former Arsenal and France forward Thierry Henry has also quit all platforms for the same reason while the Liverpool captain, Jordan Henderson, has made his feelings on the issue clear by handing control of his accounts to an anti-cyberbullying charity.


Rangers join Swansea’s social media boycott over online abuse

More action from within football is expected to follow as anger grows over social media companies’ inability to deal with online abuse and Broad has now outlined the possibility of England’s leading cricketers also taking a stance.

“I think it is definitely worth a conversation,” Broad said. “It’s a really strong message. You don’t want a small minority to ruin the opportunities you get through social media but do you need something drastic to stop it or should there be more responsibility with app creators and more liability?”

Cricketers have not been immune to online abuse: Jofra Archer reported at least two racially motivated attacks on Instagram last year, while last week Moeen Ali, now playing in the Indian Premier League for Chennai Super Kings, was abused on Twitter by the political activist and author Taslima Nasreen. He was defended by fellow cricketers Saqib Mahmood and Ben Duckett, who wrote: “This is the problem with this app. People being able to say stuff like this. Disgusting. Things need to change, please report this account!”

“There are great positives to social media but if we have to lose those positives for a period of time to make a stand then I’d be well up for that,” Broad told PA Media while taking part in NatWest’s CricketForce GetSetWeekend, a virtual curtain-raiser for the grassroots game. “It beggars belief that someone could write some of the messages to my teammates that they have to Jofra. If you said some of the stuff people say on social media on the street, it wouldn’t end well would it?

“If there was action it would come from the leaders in our dressing room and if the team felt like change needed to happen we’ve got some really great people above us in the hierarchy, like Ashley Giles and Tom Harrison, that would be very open to what the team’s beliefs were.”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/11/cricket-stuart-broad-social-media-boycott-england

 

[fitCricFan]

This is the slam bang version of the game where fitness and improvisation plays a much bigger role so a few off days could actually be enough to get you out of competition.
I would fancy a Namibia vs Zimbabwe final, for that matter.

 

[MenInG]

26 (20) & 3-7 (3) - CSK vs RR

An excellent evening's work for Moeen Ali.

Moeen hasn't played in any of England's last eight T20Is.

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Moeen Ali | Player of the Match: My job here is to try and score as many runs for the team and get a good start. When I went up the order, it wasn't any easy wicket and I'm pleased with both the departments. I thought as a team we played really well and everyone contributed. Once the left-handers came in I knew I had a good chance of bowling whenever the captain needs me. I feel it's a good wicket for the spinners and if you land the ball in the right areas you've always got a chance.

 

[Rana]

Why don't you ask him? It could be for several reasons.

Was he playing for RCB or Kingfisher Royal Challengers?

 

[Bilal7]

I am a Muslim too, and unlike you, I don’t live in a country where my tax money is used to kill innocent Muslims in Afghanistan and the Middle East.

I also know enough about Islam to know that looking at half-naked, dancing girls is a sin.

If you are going to be strict enough to the point where you think sporting a mere logo on your shirt is akin to promoting a sinful activity, you simply cannot side-step the cheerleaders issue.

Yes they are present in international cricket as well, and if Moeen is so religious, he should stop playing cricket altogether in order to avoid committing the sin of watching half-naked girls doing vulgar dance.

But that is the problem with Muslims today. We all become religious when it is convenient and look for excuses and justifications when it is not convenient.

In Moeen’s case, demanding a logo on his shirt to be removed is convenient, but not playing IPL and not playing cricket to avoid putting himself in a situation where he has to watch half-naked dancing girls is super inconvenient.

We become religious and liberal depending on our own convenience, and what is hilarious is that we try to find excuses and justifications instead of simply admitting our hypocrisy.

Your justification is laughable - wearing a shirt with a logo of an alcohol brand is “promoting a sinful activity”, but playing in a tournament with cheerleaders and parties, and more importantly, taking salary from a team that is sponsored by an alcohol company is not “promoting a sinful activity”.

The excuses and justifications are amazing.

Is it is hypocritical of Moeen to make a fuss of the logo on his shirt and not the dancing girls that his eyes would inevitably fall on at some point in the tournament? Yes, 100%, and there is no way around this.

It is a black and white issue. Looking at cheerleaders, and putting yourself in situations where you might inadvertently end up looking at them is haraam.

My tax money has never been used to kill Muslims, as far as I know. Funny how you presume that your tax money has never been used to kill Muslims, given some of the operations of the Pakistani army. Either you don't pay taxes or you need to educate yourself on geopolitics, along with Islam. Your opinions on Islam don't matter. It is the fatawa of authentic scholars and ulema that actually matter.

How about you take your own advice and stop watching the IPL then? What sort of hypocrite criticizes someone for something that they themselves are doing?

We are required to do what we can. Moeen asked for the logo to be removed and it was. I am not sure if the IPL even has cheerleaders anymore, but even if it does, there is no prohibition on doing your job even if the people around you are dressed inappropriately. The Sahaba went on jihad, where the enemy disrespected them by having naked women dance from the castle. The sahaba didn't leave; they lowered their gaze and did their job.

There are women dressed inappropriately in almost every workplace in the West; yet no alim or scholar of any repute has ever given a fatwa that you should not work at these places. Yet here you are given your opinions on something that you yourself don't practice. This is hypocrisy at its finest.

Moeen hasn't attended any of these parties (Covid, remember?) and once again, no scholar or alim of any repute has ever given a fatwa against working for a company that is sponsored by an alcohol company. He played for RCB before but there could be several reasons why that happened and as you may or may not know, Muslims have been commanded to make 70 excuses for their brothers in faith.

Don't even try and pretend that there is a "we" here. Alhamdulillah, you say you are Muslim but you and I have very different values, as evidenced by your irrational responses any time a Muslim does anything for their Deen.

 

[Shafi]

We cannot even chase 118 against Zimbabwe B team and you thing we have any chance to even reach semi. Typical honey talk to please PSL franchises.

 

[Firebat]

Even before Zimbabwe bowled us out for 99, he can't have seriously thought Pakistan were in the same bracket as NZ and Aus.

 

[Shaka81]

I think it's fair to say you can write off Pakistan now...

 

[ex-q-zit]

Moeen Ali has been picked by Islamabad United for the PSL 8 edition. He will be a valuable addition with his hard hitting and useful bowling.