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The Australia momin wanted to open this thread.

All formats who is better or who will have the better career when thy retire ?

Right now t.head is ahead in LoI

But jassu is very young.

My money is on jassu at the end of their respective careers.

In tests even right now it's close. Question is how will jaiswal do in aus during bgt

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kron said:
The Australia momin wanted to open this thread.

All formats who is better or who will have the better career when thy retire ?

Right now t.head is ahead in LoI

But jassu is very young.

My money is on jassu at the end of their respective careers.

In tests even right now it's close. Question is how will jaiswal do in aus during bgt

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Australia Momin?

🤣🤣
 
JattMaula said:
We will all revisit it on 7 Jan 2025.
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I'm cool with it lol. Let it play out.

Travis head vs Jaiswal is a proper thread, featuring 2 gun players and a thread like this should have been made long ago.

It brings more respect to Jaiswal's name then comparing him to Saim.

This is the thread to prove jaiswal's worth. Go for it
 
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Here is my criteria for Jaiswal

- Score a century in a final.

- Establish all format dominance like Travis

- Out do him in BGT and ct 2025.

^^ If this happens, I humbly accept Travis being inferior.
 
mominsaigol said:
I'm cool with it lol. Let it play out.

Travis head vs Jaiswal is a proper thread, featuring 2 gun players and a thread like this should have been made long ago.

It brings more respect to Jaiswal's name then comparing him to Saim.

This is the thread to prove jaiswal's worth. Go for it
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Jaiswal vs Saim threads served his purpose- ensured Jaiswal will have a proper cricketing career, just like Kohli vs Umran Akmal from eras ago...
 
nish_mate said:
Jaiswal vs Saim threads served his purpose- ensured Jaiswal will have a proper cricketing career, just like Kohli vs Umran Akmal from eras ago...
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Kohli vs Umar shouldn't have ever been made either.

Kohli vs Steve Smith should have been made when both were entering their primes in the 2013-2014 era.

In 2015 Smith won but as years progressed we found out Smith only won in test while kohli won as the all format batsmen and had a superior career.

It brought respect to Kohli's name as he is being compared to what was once the successor to ricky pointing but didn't make the cut while kohli honored his commitment to Sachin.

That's how you restore respect to an atg. Not by comparing him to Umar Akmal who's making tik too videos about his abs.

Your insulting your own atg.
 
You might construe it as insult to Kohli, I take it as an omen and sign that the Indian batters going to have a fantastic career, whilst the Pakistani one will flounder.

Plus it provides some comedy relief as the careers progress.
 
nish_mate said:
You might construe it as insult to Kohli, I take it as an omen and sign that the Indian batters going to have a fantastic career, whilst the Pakistani one will flounder.

Plus it provides some comedy relief as the careers progress.
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If the goal is to make a funny thread and laugh at people then 100% go for it and make such threads and I'll laugh alongside you.

But if the goal is to make sure that these cricketers are respected then compare them to aussie, English, sa atg's.

I think even kohli would face palm if he found out he has a thread called kohli vs Umar Akmal
 
Devadwal said:
One thing is sure Jaiswal play his entire career as an opener

While other one is don't know opener or number 5 batter ( Same person complaint about Laxman opening)

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You're acting like Travis wanted to be sent down 🤣🤣.

He'll open in BGT. He didn't write a letter to bcci asking not to open unlike Laxman
 
Australia tour of india 2023 ( Test series )

They Play head as an opener because of Ashwin and Jadeja fear. Lol
 
mominsaigol said:
If the goal is to make a funny thread and laugh at people then 100% go for it and make such threads and I'll laugh alongside you.

But if the goal is to make sure that these cricketers are respected then compare them to aussie, English, sa atg's.

I think even kohli would face palm if he found out he has a thread called kohli vs Umar Akmal
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I don't mean to insult you but you should study that thread again.

It was a proper comparison for few years. Our former kaptaan was not a sure thing for his first five years in international cricket. And Umar had pedigree and early success.
 
JattMaula said:
I don't mean to insult you but you should study that thread again.

It was a proper comparison for few years. Out former kaptaan was not a sure thing for his first five years in international cricket. And Umar had pedigree and early success.
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How so? When was that thread even made?

Kohli was still in under 19 in 2008 and was barely their after when UA came in 2009?

By the time kohli became mainstream in 2011, he was already >>>>>>> UA despite the fact that he didn't even act at 3 and often shuffled from 4 to 6?

Then by 2012 that 183 against pakistan closed the debate once and for all?

UA was caught as medicore post 2010?

He had flashes of brilliance like his 2014 asia cup 100 but by 2011 it was already clear who was miles and miles superior?

Just like it took only 1 month to determine who's superior between jaiswal and saim?
 
They are not sure where he will be bat in upcoming BGT.
:ssmith

While Australia are usually known to go into big Test series with settled squads and clear plans, they have a major hole to fill before India come knocking for the five-match Border-Gavaskar Trophy later this year. Australia are yet to identify a good candidate to be Usman Khawaja's opening partner with David Warner retiring from international cricket.

With no strong candidates emerging from the domestic circuit Down Under, Steve Smith and Travis Head seem to have emerged as the leading contenders for the role. Smith remains the most likely batter to do so, despite his underwhelming returns in the four matches in which he already played as opener for Australia. Head, on the other hand, is a regular for the team in Test cricket as a No.5 batter and an opener in white-ball cricket.

Head has especially had the wood on India across formats in recent years. He was among Australia's best batters in the last Border-Gavaskar Trophy in India, overcoming his past troubles against spin bowling and smashing 235 runs in three matches at an average of 47.00. Notably, Head scored a century in the 2023 World Cup final in which Australia beat India by six wickets.

However, former captain Ian Chappell has warned that opening the Australian batting with Head against India later this year may not be such a good idea after all. "Head opening in Test cricket is based on his unbridled success facing the new ball in both 50-over and T20 cricket. There's no doubt Head, with his ultra-aggressive style, is the ideal player to open in the two short forms of the game. However, Test cricket is an entirely different proposition," Chappell wrote in his column on ESPNCricinfo.
 
mominsaigol said:
How so? When was that thread even made?

Kohli was still in under 19 in 2008 and was barely their after when UA came in 2009?

By the time kohli became mainstream in 2011, he was already >>>>>>> UA despite the fact that he didn't even act at 3 and often shuffled from 4 to 6?

Then by 2012 that 183 against pakistan closed the debate once and for all?

UA was caught as medicore post 2010?

He had flashes of brilliance like his 2014 asia cup 100 but by 2011 it was already clear who was miles and miles superior?

Just like it took only 1 month to determine who's superior between jaiswal and saim?
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Just study the thread mate. You will get the answers to your questions.
 
What was the record of Travis head first 11 test matches as Jaiswal so far Play only 11 test matches
 
mominsaigol said:
What is Jaiswal's odi final record? Oh wait it's non existent like his odi career 🤣
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He is young and will Play more ICC final than Travis head in future .

We only can compare first 11 test and jasiwal is miles ahead than Travis head .

Jaiswal has better number in T20 cricket as well .
 
Devadwal said:
He is young and will Play more ICC final than Travis head in future .

We only can compare first 11 test and jasiwal is miles ahead than Travis head .

Jaiswal has better number in T20 cricket as well .
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Sabar, let's have this conversation 5 years from now, inshallah God is on my side
 
Travis head test record

home - 27 matches ,1982 runs ,50 AVR , 6 century

Away - 19 matches ,948 runs , 29 average ,1 century

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
So why you was hurry to compare Jaiswal with head ??

Why not waited for 5 years ??
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I wasn't, I originally wanted steve smith 🤭.

But Travis > Jaiswal 🫠. In 5 years the debate will be settled but Travis will emerge victorious
 
Jaiswal test career

Home - 7 matches ,901 runs , 75 Avg ,2 century

Away - 4 matches ,316 runs , 45 AVG , 1 century .

He has same number of away century scored by Head but ONLY Play 15 less test than him .
:kp
 
Another point Travis head did played both test series at home against india which we won. :ssmith
 
Devadwal said:
Jaiswal test career

Home - 7 matches ,901 runs , 75 Avg ,2 century

Away - 4 matches ,316 runs , 45 AVG , 1 century .

He has same number of away century scored by Head but ONLY Play 15 less test than him .
:kp
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Every century is not a namesake one or statpad one.All are big daddy centuries putting India in driver seat.He was the highest scorer in 3out of 4 series he played.it shows his consistency unlike head who cant be trusted for any sort of consistency or technique to survive on bowling pitches in test matches
 
Devadwal said:
How is ahead in odi when jaiswal is not debut still.

Both are played T20 cricket even there jasiwal has better number .
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Travis is no 1 ranked in t20 while jaiswal wasn't even untrusted to play a wc cup and sat on the sideline.

As for odi, I wonder why such a goat hasn't gotten a chance to play unlike Travis to plays an odi Cup.
 
Travis head T20 stats

Match - 28 ,runs -1093 ,Avg -33 , strike rate -160

Jaiswal

Match - 23 matches,723 runs ,AVg - 36 , strike rate - 164

:kp
 
mominsaigol said:
Travis is no 1 ranked in t20 while jaiswal wasn't even untrusted to play a wc cup and sat on the sideline.

As for odi, I wonder why such a goat hasn't gotten a chance to play unlike Travis to plays an odi Cup.
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Because jasiwal is young and just started the careers .

What a silly questions.
 
Devadwal said:
Because jasiwal is young and just started the careers .

What a silly questions.
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Bro listen, you're a passionate fan and respect your country, unlike me who only respects the country I am residing in a permanent resident off.

What you are saying makes sense on a fundamental level only but I bring a foreign perspective that is often overlooked by fans passionate about their own country.

Their is nothing wrong with what you claim as you're a good poster however certain bias is preventing you from seeing the full picture.

You should learn from me and allow me to guide to you. Travis head is > in whiteball but yes jaiswal is > in red ball. Remove the country bias and listen to me who's always unbiased and makes every argument with facts.
 
mominsaigol said:
How so? When was that thread even made?

Kohli was still in under 19 in 2008 and was barely their after when UA came in 2009?

By the time kohli became mainstream in 2011, he was already >>>>>>> UA despite the fact that he didn't even act at 3 and often shuffled from 4 to 6?

Then by 2012 that 183 against pakistan closed the debate once and for all?

UA was caught as medicore post 2010?

He had flashes of brilliance like his 2014 asia cup 100 but by 2011 it was already clear who was miles and miles superior?

Just like it took only 1 month to determine who's superior between jaiswal and saim?
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Can't be bothered looking at stats but did t head play in SA??

And did he play on flat pitches sorry spicy pitches?

Jassu averaged poorly in SA last time but everyone did bad. It was a bowling paradise. Bumrah averaged 12 or something absurd in that series. So did siraj

And SA bowlers averaged around 17 to 21.

Jaiswal average like 20 I think not sure.

So on spicy pitches I want to see how is better


In Asia jaiswal is better vs spin and flat wickets

In fatties overseas I think they are equal

In swing conditions jaiswal is untested. T head is around 38 in England so pretty decent.

We shall see how jaissu does in aus.
 
kron said:
Can't be bothered looking at stats but did t head play in SA??

And did he play on flat pitches sorry spicy pitches?

Jassu averaged poorly in SA last time but everyone did bad. It was a bowling paradise. Bumrah averaged 12 or something absurd in that series. So did siraj

And SA bowlers averaged around 17 to 21.

Jaiswal average like 20 I think not sure.

So on spicy pitches I want to see how is better


In Asia jaiswal is better vs spin and flat wickets

In fatties overseas I think they are equal

In swing conditions jaiswal is untested. T head is around 38 in England so pretty decent.

We shall see how jaissu does in aus.
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Wherever Travis plays, he's a goat but jaiswal I'm not too sure 👀
 
mominsaigol said:
Bro listen, you're a passionate fan and respect your country, unlike me who only respects the country I am residing in a permanent resident off.

What you are saying makes sense on a fundamental level only but I bring a foreign perspective that is often overlooked by fans passionate about their own country.

Their is nothing wrong with what you claim as you're a good poster however certain bias is preventing you from seeing the full picture.

You should learn from me and allow me to guide to you. Travis head is > in whiteball but yes jaiswal is > in red ball. Remove the country bias and listen to me who's always unbiased and makes every argument with facts.
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We don't know yet. Jiaswal is a beast in LOI just dint get chances

Also in red ball, I would give t.head the edge in bouncy conditions for now. And swing too.

As jaiswal needs to prove his mettle in Aus and England soon.

We shall see. I believe in him though. He is only what? 22

He should definitely improve

At the end of their careers I do think jaiswal would be better. But long way to go as he is still so young and raw.
 
Devadwal said:
Travis head T20 stats

Match - 28 ,runs -1093 ,Avg -33 , strike rate -160

Jaiswal

Match - 23 matches,723 runs ,AVg - 36 , strike rate - 164

:kp
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If jaiswak was picked for 2023 wc india wins. Along with pant and hardik who missed 2023 wc final.
 
kron said:
We don't know yet. Jiaswal is a beast in LOI just dint get chances

Also in red ball, I would give t.head the edge in bouncy conditions for now. And swing too.

As jaiswal needs to prove his mettle in Aus and England soon.

We shall see. I believe in him though. He is only what? 22

He should definitely improve

At the end of their careers I do think jaiswal would be better. But long way to go as he is still so young and raw.
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Exactly, you're comparing a newbie to the sequel of David Warner. Not a comparison atm.
 
mominsaigol said:
Exactly, you're comparing a newbie to the sequel of David Warner. Not a comparison atm.
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No indian fan were/ are compared jasiwal to head.

Jasiwal comparison with saim Ayub and you started talking about head comparison.

When you expose by stats you're just making excuse .
 
Devadwal said:
No indian fan were/ are compared jasiwal to head.

Jasiwal comparison with saim Ayub and you started talking about head comparison.

When you expose by stats you're just making excuse .
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I can address stats, and their are no excuses. Travis > Jaiswal believe it.

But I am not in the mood atm. I wish to watch the pak vs Eng game in piece. The same game where Agha struck a 100 and you got exposed for your rizwan bravado and had the gall to tell me rizzu > Agha 🤣.

I don't even need to talk, karma plays out in my favour always .
 
mominsaigol said:
Here is my criteria for Jaiswal

- Score a century in a final.

- Establish all format dominance like Travis

- Out do him in BGT and ct 2025.

^^ If this happens, I humbly accept Travis being inferior.
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@Devadwal This is my criteria. If jaiswal completes this, you have your crown
 
mominsaigol said:
@Devadwal This is my criteria. If jaiswal completes this, you have your crown
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Don't care about odi tbh.

As long as he performs in tests away form home he can become a legend. Ofcourse home performance also.matters.

But less weight age than away.

And then if he can help india win a WC in t20 or odi that's great. It's a bonus.

Tests is the true format.
 
kron said:
Don't care about odi tbh.

As long as he performs in tests away form home he can become a legend. Ofcourse home performance also.matters.

But less weight age than away.

And then if he can help india win a WC in t20 or odi that's great. It's a bonus.

Tests is the true format.
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Respectfully disagree bro.

Test is a different format. Dozens of test specialists who have sucked in whiteball and vice versa and frankly nothing beats odi wc.

But different perspectives ig
 
Devadwal said:
Had warner scored a century in world cup final ??

Or you just filter the stats according to you.
Lol
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No that's why the mantra belongs to Travis, Gilchrist and the greatest batter who's superior to every single Indian batter of all times besides Sachin and sunny.

Lord pointing the man who traumatised India for a decade.
 
mominsaigol said:
No that's why the mantra belongs to Travis, Gilchrist and the greatest batter who's superior to every single Indian batter of all times besides Sachin and sunny.

Lord pointing the man who traumatised India for a decade.
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You're again showing your class .
 
mominsaigol said:
Respectfully disagree bro.

Test is a different format. Dozens of test specialists who have sucked in whiteball and vice versa and frankly nothing beats odi wc.

But different perspectives ig
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Nha legends are always made in tests cricket.
Not loi.

That's why I dont rate bevan or Dhoni as a legend. Not test greats. Only LOI legends. In odi.

You need to perform in tests to become a true legend of the game. You will never get the dame respect no matter how many odi world cups you win

Punter is great cause of test performance not LOI. It's great that he is a odi legend but his test credentials is what he is respected for.

Great players who are good in tests can easily do well in other formats. But it's much harder for a great white ball player to excel in tests generally speaking. Exceptions to rule apply.

Ask Travis head what he prefers to win. He will say tests. Tests make atg players.
 
Devadwal said:
You're again showing your class .
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What's your class? Rizwan > Agha? If pak win this game it proves my point.

I am trying to be nice to you. Understand that jaiswal might fall apart and you might witness a thread about him in the future where you eat your own words.

Other then that believe in Travis.
 
mominsaigol said:
No that's why the mantra belongs to Travis, Gilchrist and the greatest batter who's superior to every single Indian batter of all times besides Sachin and sunny.

Lord pointing the man who traumatised India for a decade.
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Punter was bad in India in tests tbh. That is a blemish on his record.

But yes he smashed india and everyone in odi.

Everything is easy when youu have mcg.

Make a team and just give me mcg. I don't care who else we have in the teamN that's the one player I want in my team. My first pick.

I would even be ok with rizzy bhai and babar in an atg team if I have mcg.

And ooh I forgot. Stick to topic.

So surmise jaiswal needs to perform in tests mainly
 
kron said:
Punter was bad in India in tests tbh. That is a blemish on his record.

But yes he smashed india and everyone in odi.

Everything is easy when youu have mcg.

Make a team and just give me mcg. I don't care who else we have in the teamN that's the one player I want in my team. My first pick.

I would even be ok with rizzy bhai and babar in an atg team if I have mcg.
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Lol by this logic everything is easy when you have bumrah? India lost to Sri lanka without him.
 
mominsaigol said:
Lol by this logic everything is easy when you have bumrah? India lost to Sri lanka without him.
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I am not discrediting punter. He is a phenomenal player. But man aus team is lucky to not face the goat bowler.
He can literally tell you what he is going to do and what length he will ball, and he will still get you out.

That's how good he is. He is not the most athletic but gee he is the goat bowler.

I just can't see any modern greats surviving vs him. I mean sure here and there t head or jaiswal can bash him. But consistently? No way. He will always have the edge. 60 40 to 70 30 always in mug's favour against any player. Against any great player I mean.
 
kron said:
I am not discrediting punter. He is a phenomenal player. But man aus team is lucky to not face the goat bowler.
He can literally tell you what he is going to do and what length he will ball, and he will still get you out.

That's how good he is. He is not the most athletic but gee he is the goat bowler.

I just can't see any modern greats surviving vs him. I mean sure here and there t head or jaiswal can bash him. But consistently? No way. He will always have the edge. 60 40 to 70 30 always in mug's favour against any player. Against any great player I mean.
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Why is pointing lucky? He belonged in an era where Australia was the best team in the world with him personally being the best batter in the world?

How is it a suprise that the same team would produce the best bowler and the best legspinner of all time?
 
mominsaigol said:
Why is pointing lucky? He belonged in an era where Australia was the best team in the world with him personally being the best batter in the world?

How is it a suprise that the same team would produce the best bowler and the best legspinner of all time?
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I feel mcg would get him out lol. Say if he played for India. Like mcg would win the battle 7 times out of 10.

Vs Warne I believe punter had no issue tbh. In shield cricket. Watched old games. But mcg is scary. He is just too good.

Like viv. He is lucky not to face the quartet. Imagine if he played for another team. He would have to face his own scary bowlers.

We don't know who truly is the best unless they play vs the best bowlers. If the best bowler is in your team then we can only judge vs the field. And punter had no issues vs Pollock. He smashed trundler Pollock and even donald for fun.

He smashed indian attack. Even pakistan attack back then couldn't trouble him that much.

Right now you could say that our batsmen are incredibly lucky to not face bumrah and shami. I am sure it's scary for them in the nets and ther have been several reports where players tend to hide away and refuse refuse face them in nets lol
 
kron said:
I feel mcg would get him out lol. Say if he played for India. Like mcg would win the battle 7 times out of 10.

Vs Warne I believe punter had no issue tbh. In shield cricket. Watched old games. But mcg is scary. He is just too good.

Like viv. He is lucky not to face the quartet. Imagine if he played for another team. He would have to face his own scary bowlers.

We don't know who truly is the best unless they play vs the best bowlers. If the best bowler is in your team then we can only judge vs the field. And punter had no issues vs Pollock. He smashed trundler Pollock and even donald for fun.

He smashed indian attack. Even pakistan attack back then couldn't trouble him that much.

Right now you could say that our batsmen are incredibly lucky to not face bumrah and shami. I am sure it's scary for them in the nets and ther have been several reports where players tend to hide away and refuse refuse face them in nets lol
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Ofcourse Mcgrath would get him out lol
 
Head for now but YJ has higher potential.

Head was nowhere near good enough at 22. YJ is a fantastic player for his age.
 
mominsaigol said:
Ofcourse Mcgrath would get him out lol
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Future players are also not always better. It all really depends. Take Usain bolt. Who can beat his record? Or who can beat shoaibs record? For fastest ball.

Sure skills can improve but great players can be great in any era. Not saying shoaib is like the best ever. He is not. He is a great bowler but the point still stands.

Put mcg and Ambrose in current era and they would do just as well in odi as they did back then. Maybe average might drop by 2 or 3 points max.to 23 ish given flat pattas.

Mcg would still have a field day if he had to play t head jaiswal and Smith an virat. And root? He would get him out twice in one innings. Roots weakness is outside off at good length. Guess what mcg does all day. Yea woh to gayaaa. Lol

In tests mcg is even more untouchable. But one thing I will say modern batsmen are much better at attacking strokes. However mcg will bowl that probing length consistently so there is no escaping sadly. He will get ya eventually.
 
Mamoon said:
Head for now but YJ has higher potential.

Head was nowhere near good enough at 22. YJ is a fantastic player for his age.
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Have to see how he fares in aus and England. SA pitches were atrocious so I wouldn't dock him for it. He did ok there.
 
kron said:
Have to see how he fares in aus and England. SA pitches were atrocious so I wouldn't dock him for it. He did ok there.
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He doesn’t need to dominate everywhere, no one can. If Kohli can be a GOAT after being poor in England and New Zealand, YJ can also be pardoned for being underwhelming in 1-2 venues.
 
Mamoon said:
He doesn’t need to dominate everywhere, no one can. If Kohli can be a GOAT after being poor in England and New Zealand, YJ can also be pardoned for being underwhelming in 1-2 venues.
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Kohli redeemed himself in eng 2018 series after scoring highest runs by a visiting batsmen at that time (593 ).normally basic quality of goat players will be differentiated from others is by their adaptability to survive in any era .so I think a player can't be a goat ,if he fails continuously in one place with out much improvement.
 
Wouldn't a Jaiswal vs. Crawley be a more appropriate thread? Or all three being compared?

Have to say that Jaiswal and Crawley have a good 15 odd years ahead of them. Head probably just 5-6 years.
 
Travis Head is 30 years old, He is a veteran. Jaiswal is just 22 and has just begun his career.

Pretty unfair to compare both of them imho. :sanga

BTW Travis has a 163 Vs India in WTC winning Final and a 137 vs India in ODI world Cup winning fInal. Very very tough, near impossible for Jaiswal to match this. :mc
 
JaDed said:
BGT in Aus will settle the debate? Why not lets wait for Indian leg?
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Travis head averaged 47 in India last time albeit boosted by the patha wicket in the last test.

On a square turner he will get found out

But yes will be interesting. Jaissu would have smashed oz anywhere in Asia. I want to see how he does in aus and England.
 
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Among the players who are 24 or below in the last 2 years for any batting position. Stand out players are

1) Jaiswal
2) Brook
3) Ravindra

Gill will eventually come around. And also J Smith is a good prospect. But he is mainly a keeper.


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Let Jaiswal be at least regular in the team first.

Then start the comparison.
 
Jaiswal started off his career with a bang. He should be regular in all formats or maybe for Tests and ODIs for sure.
Head is a clutch player but he only came to the limelight in the last 2 years. He is rising fast.

Jaiswal and Head is something we should be comparing after at least 2 ore years of cricket.
 
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