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"Yeh Viv Talk Na" - Ramdin

Has anyone considered the fact that that article may have DRIVEN Ramdin to concentrate harder to get that century??
 
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cricketworm said:
I like Batsman with Balls! Sir Viv. was in his right to criticize, Ramdin has balls to respond like this.

Carrib. people are very proud people, may sound cocky in some culture, but it's that special unique flair they bring in to sports, which makes them unique and enjoyable.

I am sure Ramdin doesn't mean to show any disrespect Viv, as Viv has God-Like status there! But it's like proving his Old Man wrong kind of attitude! It's like father always taunt his son, do something in your life! You haven't done anything in your life! And then Son replies with some accomplishment!

I would hope that Sir Viv don't hold any grudges against Ramdin, because after all this WI needs all support they can get from their elders, that invisible Side!
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So true.

I'm sure he didn't intend to disrespect his nations legend.
 
The more i think about it, the more Ramdin looks like a tool. If i were Ottis Gibson i would get Viv to have a go at him each week so that he scores regularly.
 
It was so childish and stupid by Ramdin.

All Viv said was that he thought Ramdin was a better player then what he was showing on the field. 2 centuries in 45 tests...sounds about right.

It was a brilliant ton and he absolutely flushed it down the drawn by and immature idiotic childish act. Publicly trying to attack a legend of the game when all he wanted was Ramdin to play to the max of his capabilities.
 
Well, Ramdin, Viv can go back and give an interview about you again.

What are you going to do next time?
 
This lil lallu panju Ramdin, instead of this pre-written par-chi, should actually be thankful to the great Viv whose articulate criticism brought the best out of him, otherwise his performance would hardly be improved by coaching and he would remain some lil known cricketer (which he actually still is).
 
I'm surprised Viv didn't do to Ramdin what he did to Wasim bhai, LOL

"I was only nineteen when I played in the 1988 Barbados Test match during the tour of West Indies. It was in this Test match that I realised I've got the pace to disturb the batsmen," he said.

"When only 45 minutes were left to go for close of play, Richards came out to bat. My skipper Imran Khan gave me the ball and asked me to have a go.

"I bowled a bouncer at Richards and his cap fell while avoiding it. I went up to him and abused him. I was very skinny at that time and he looked at me and said: 'I will see [you] out man.'"

Akram immediately went to Imran Khan and related the incident.
"Imran told me to go ahead and scare &. him. So I bowled another bouncer and his cap fell again and so I went up to him and with a lot of action, provoked him.

"Richards looked at me and spat to the side with contempt. That was a time when there were no match referees nor close up television," he said.

Khan asked Akram to bowl the last over of the day.
"I bowled a bouncer again and then returned to the dressing room. While removing my shoes, the room attendant said that someone is waiting for me outside the dressing room.
"When I went out, I saw Richards in only his pad and no shirt and with a bat in hand. I ran to Imran and told him about it, but he quietly said: 'it is better you handle him.' I was shocked and so I went and told Richards very politely that I am sorry for what happened & and [that] it won't happen again.
"Richards looked at me and said: "If it happens next time, I will kill you.
"It never happened again," said Akram
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omairsiddiqui said:
I'm surprised Viv didn't do to Ramdin what he did to Wasim bhai, LOL
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Nice story. You to consider that Viv is 25 years older now. At his peak no one would be crazy enough to make Viv mad. No wonder even Imran Khan didn't interfere in that incident. In those days it would be crazy anyway to rile up any WI players given that their bowlers might literally kill you will bouncers.
 
I never realized West Indies people wrote the way they speak. :))

Shouldn't have been disrespecting Vivian Richards. The greatest batsman to have graced the game, arguably.

Why pick a fight with a legend?
 
Nice story. You to consider that Viv is 25 years older now. At his peak no one would be crazy enough to make Viv mad. No wonder even Imran Khan didn't interfere in that incident. In those days it would be crazy anyway to rile up any WI players given that their bowlers might literally kill you will bouncers
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Haha yeah I know. I was joking. Wasim's innocence in that incident is the funniest part.


kingusama92 said:
I never realized West Indies people wrote the way they speak. :))
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I've got a friend from Trinidad. It is sometimes impossible to understand what his friends write on his Facebook wall.
 
Stupid stuff by Ramdin. His hundred was in a dead match and that too against a second-choice bowling lineup. And replying like that t o a legend who just wants the team's benefit.
 
Viv Richards is not sacred! Yes, he is a legend of the game, and no one is criticizing that title.

Denesh Ramdin has every right to express himself. There is no question of disrespect here, just a guy saying what's in his heart. Better to let it all out than to bottle it up like Pakistan's cricketers, who are too scared to do so because they won't get away without a fine or ban from the board.

Again, Viv Richards is NOT sacred. If Ramdin gets fined, it will be a real shame. Cricket administrators need to know the difference between self-expression and violation of discipline.
 
Ramdin should have said - "Thanks Viv for your constructive criticism". Not a proper way to react to a legend.

But Viv had his dramatic decline with the bat as well. If you scrutinize Viv's career spanning 121 tests, Viv averaged a phenomenal 60 after 40 tests and then averaged about 45 over the next 80 tests to finish with a career average of 50. Viv is one of those few top batsmen whose second half was very poor compared ( dropping to 75%) to his first half.
 
Whenever Ramdin fails now, people will say -



''Hey Ramdin Talk Nah''
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omairsiddiqui said:
Viv Richards is not sacred! Yes, he is a legend of the game, and no one is criticizing that title.

Denesh Ramdin has every right to express himself. There is no question of disrespect here, just a guy saying what's in his heart. Better to let it all out than to bottle it up like Pakistan's cricketers, who are too scared to do so because they won't get away without a fine or ban from the board.

Again, Viv Richards is NOT sacred. If Ramdin gets fined, it will be a real shame. Cricket administrators need to know the difference between self-expression and violation of discipline.
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I don't think "Ramdin having the right to express himself or not having the right" is the issue here.

Its about how his way of expression has made him look like an idiot.
Something he could have avoided had he not been narrow minded and classless.

Any talk about him getting fined is ridiculous as ofcourse he hasn't violated any rule whatsoever losely speaking.
 
*syed59* said:
I don't think "Ramdin having the right to express himself or not having the right" is the issue here.

Its about how his way of expression has made him look like an idiot.
Something he could have avoided had he not been narrow minded and classless.

Any talk about him getting fined is ridiculous as ofcourse he hasn't violated any rule whatsoever losely speaking.
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How the heck is he narrow-minded and classless? Did he abuse Viv? Not everyone has the mental strength of a Tendulkar or a Dravid.

People express themselves in different ways. If he chose to do with a piece of paper, that's his way. You can't expect every international cricketer to be in alignment with your definition of "class."
 
omairsiddiqui said:
How the heck is he narrow-minded and classless? Did he abuse Viv? Not everyone has the mental strength of a Tendulkar or a Dravid.

People express themselves in different ways. If he chose to do with a piece of paper, that's his way. You can't expect every international cricketer to be in alignment with your definition of "class."
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Its my opinion that its an act of narrow mindedness and it was classless.

Again, its not about writing on piece of paper or speaking it out.

Its about that his this single century is hardly anything to cover up his 22 odd average which he has for years. His performance warranted criticism and he got that. Now if he wants to reply back, its his right. Although it will make him look like an idiot which imo it did.

And he doesn't understand this. This is where he's narrow minded.
Aakhir bharam kis cheez key dikha rahay hain janaab... baat yeh hai saari
 
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Reminded me of the Nasser hussain reaction when he scored a hundred at number 3 in an ODI against India after people said he shouldnt be batting there.
 
*syed59* said:
Its my opinion that its an act of narrow mindedness and it was classless.

Again, its not about writing on piece of paper or speaking it out.

Its about that his this single century is hardly anything to cover up his 22 odd average which he has for years. His performance warranted criticism and he got that. Now if he wants to reply back, its his right. Although it will make him look like an idiot which imo it did.

And he doesn't understand this. This is where he's narrow minded.
Aakhir bharam kis cheez key dikha rahay hain janaab... baat yeh hai saari
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I dont think it made him look like an idiot at all. If anything it made him look like a hardworking bloke who took his criticism to heart and instead of crying like a baby actually went out there and scored.

This is the definition of 'shutting up critics'
 
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Ramdin regrets attack on Richards

Denesh Ramdin, the West Indies wicketkeeper-batsman, marked his second Test century by brandishing a piece of paper criticising the former West Indies captain Viv Richards.




Viv Richards bowed to no one. His opponents, mostly bowlers, often paid obeisance to him. They did so not only out of respect but also out of fear that he might hit back powerfully with bat in hand. Denesh Ramdin now knows the feeling.

Ramdin, the West Indies wicketkeeper-batsman, after reaching his second Test century, reacted by unfolding a plain white sheet of paper from his trouser pocket on which was scribbled in capital words "YEH, VIV, TALK NAH." It was a retort to Richards' scathing assessment of his deteriorating form after he had managed only 51 runs and kept wicket inconsistently in the first two Tests.

At the end of the day's play, though, an embarrassed Ramdin admitted he had gone overboard and that his statement, which he had prepared on Saturday morning, was an "emotional" one.

"Sir Viv had something in the press," he said. "I think I got a bit emotional and it came out the way it did. He is a legend of the Caribbean. I still look up to him. If I see him anywhere I will still call him out and probably have a drink with him."

Richards, a former West Indies captain, who is in England as a radio commentator, had lost his patience with Ramdin, whose scores in the series read 1, 43, 1 and 6 respectively. This from a man who had promised at least three fifties and possibly even a century before leaving the Caribbean.

"I can't remember the statement quite clearly, but it was a bit hurtful to me," Ramdin said. "I went to the nets, worked hard, came out and proved myself to the critics."

When Ramdin does walk up to Richards to apologise, he had better do it from a safe distance because Richards seems miffed at being dragged into an unnecessary incident.

"I am the one who touted him as a future captain for West Indies and always thought of him as good but his form had dipped quite recently and I addressed those issues," Richards told ESPNcricinfo. "I questioned his ability because he had lost his confidence and thereby lost his shape."


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Richards said Ramdin's emotive gesture after reaching the century was unnecessary, especially because West Indies have already lost the series.

"It is like being in a football match and your team is losing 5-0 and up comes a guy, scores a goal and starts jumping out of joy.

"He has played well and if you're given enough chances you're going to get it done. He should be happy and humble. I think I remember saying he'd lost his confidence, but I'm on the other side of the fence now and I'm here to do a job - there's no sentiment in it. I'm glad that he got the motivation from it. Let's not forget this is in a losing cause -- the team's not winning."

Opinion is growing that Ramdin should be disciplined. Michael Holding said Ramdin had gone down in his estimation and called for the Trinidadian to be given a dressing down and fined. By now Ramdin, recalled to the West Indies squad after a two-year absence, will have recognised that his reaction overshadowed the quality of his second Test century.

He also scored his maiden Test century against England, in a high-scoring draw in Barbados. West Indies played 29 Tests between then and the start of the England tour; Ramdin missed 18 of those. At 27, he is one of the most experienced player in the West Indies squad.

Marlon Samuels had raised a solid platform on Saturday with a brilliant fifty, but his departure, an over before the second new ball was taken late in the evening, gave England the required opening to widen the cracks. Ramdin, who had been emboldened quickly by Samuels during their crucial 56-run sixth-wicket partnership, took on the onus of shepherding the lower order.

Even Ramdin would not have been prepared for the fairy tale that Tino Best was scripting at the other end.

"It was amazing the way that Tino came out and played. He played some unbelievable shots. I did not think he had those shots in his armoury. He expressed himself. That's the way Tino plays."

Best not only listened to his senior batsman, he kept the atmosphere lighthearted and helped Ramdin to relax. "He kept saying: 'Keep going, big dog. You go out there, you get your 100 and then you bat with me to get my 50.' I told him I'll be there when he gets his hundred but unfortunately he got carried away and he didn't get there."

There was one other man who got carried away and Ramdin knows to his detriment who that is. His statement will no doubt make the cricket book of infamous quotes. Richards might go on to pardon him but each time Ramdin takes to the crease, he needs to deliver. If he fails, someone out there will be ready with a paper displaying the words: "YEH, DENESH, TALK NAH!"


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Ramdin you silly boy. That was pretty embarrassing realy.

And he even got the spelling wrong. Hahahaha
 
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Yeh video talk nah


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You don't argue with the greatest batsman to have ever played the game. :viv

Ramdin will learn with experience, with time, once he reflects back.
 
Ramdin fined 20% of match fee for the Viv incident according to Jonathan Agnew's Twitter.
 
These great players shouldn't be considered monolithic, or to have impregnable opinions.

Interesting move from Ramdin. I won't be attacking him.
 
I wish I could say this is a joke. Why did ICC have to get into this deal? :facepalm:

West Indies wicketkeeper-batsman Denesh Ramdin has been fined 20% of his match fee by the International Cricket Council for the way he celebrated his century on day four of the third Investec Test against England.


On completing just his second hundred at Edgbaston in 44 five-day matches, Ramdin held up a sheet of paper, which read: ‘Yeah Viv, Talk Nah’.

The move, thought to be a reaction to criticism Sir Viv Richards levelled at Ramdin last month, has found little favour with the ICC, who deemed the 27-year-old guilty of breaching their code of conduct.

He was charged this morning with a Level 1 offence, contrary to clause 2.1.8 (a), which relates to "conduct contrary to the spirit of the game".

There was no need for a formal hearing, however, with Ramdin pleading guilty to the charge and accepting the punishment

http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/investec-tests/ramdin,318257,EN.html
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just imagining every pakistani player waving poster like that with name of amir sohail, sarfraz nawaz, abdul qadir, rashid latif, basit ali, ramiz raja, waqar younus etc etc etc LOL
 
Denesh Ramdin fined for gesture

Denesh Ramdin, the West Indies wicket-keeper, has been fined 20% of his match fee for making a gesture directed at Viv Richards after reaching his century on the fourth day of the Edgbaston Test. The ICC charged Ramdin with conduct contrary to the spirit of the game and he pleaded guilty to the offence.

"We all understand the importance of celebrating a milestone, however, one should not use that time as an opportunity to hit out at one's critic or send messages to the world," Roshan Mahanama, the match referee, said. "I hope Mr Ramdin has learnt his lesson from this incident and that we will not see such behaviour by him or any player in the future when celebrating an achievement within a game of international cricket."

Ramdin, after reaching his second Test century on the fourth day of a drawn match, pulled out a sheet of paper from his pocket on which he had written, "YEH VIV TALK NAH."

It was a response to Richards' criticism of his deteriorating form after he had scored only 51 runs and kept wicket inconsistently in the first two Tests. Ramdin later admitted his reaction had been emotional.


http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-west-indies-2012/content/story/568096.html?CMP=chrome

Totally unnecessary.
 
Markhor said:
Can you imagine a Pakistani player doing this ?

Farhat scores a century and then says 'Yeh PakPassion Talk Nah' :))
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Then we'll just create another thread to abuse Farhat :farhat

If this happens, his susar ji wrote it for him
 
honestly getting docked his match fees was too much but a warning would be fair. just like someone said above, imagine if every cricketer after scoring a bunch of runs or taking a few wickets would start taking out pieces of paper with the names of all their critics.. absurd! lol, imagine if ramdin wouuld have to carry that piece of paper out with him for a long period of time though just waiting for the right moment and it never came haha :P good on him for the 100 though!
 
Legend Killer said:
Exactly, Ramdin was well within in his rights to reply to Viv's criticism . Some people here need to realize that just cause Viv is a legend , it doesn't make him untouchable.
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It's a matter of taste though I guess. could he not have waited till after the day's play; certainly someone would've interviewed him!
 
zulfiqar said:
It's a matter of taste though I guess. could he not have waited till after the day's play; certainly someone would've interviewed him!
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I guess Ramdin thought that he will make a bigger impact with the paper instead of giving an interview.
 
can you imagine any Indian player saying that about Sachin (not that Sachin will go the Viv way!)

there will be protests in India :)))
 
ICC is full of crap! Morons! Why would you charge him? Idiotic decision. Said it like 100 times, ICC is full of crap!
 
You god damn right! That's how you answer when someone attacks your livelihood.
BTW : did anyone else read it with the Jamaican accent ?makes its so much cooler
 
He purposely wrote it with the spelling he wanted West Indian style so don't know what some of you having a laugh about as if he made a mistake.
 
^ aware of plenty of people from antigua, barbados etc spelling like that

facebook helps sometimes lol
 
munda_khi said:
just imagining every pakistani player waving poster like that with name of amir sohail, sarfraz nawaz, abdul qadir, rashid latif, basit ali, ramiz raja, waqar younus etc etc etc LOL
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I can guarantee that the Pakistani players that come in for the most criticism would never be fined for carrying around such a piece of paper. You see you actually have to achieve something to waive that paper and Farhat is not going to do that any time soon!
 
wait so he obviously wrote this before hand and had it in his pocket to be shown at the right moment...that paper must be really really old then

Ramdin is the one to talk haha...the guy had so many opportunity and failed to prove over and over again.. One lame century won't cut it Denesh...you're no where close to spitting distance of Viv
 
There is an uneasy history between players of Indian origin and sir Vivian Richards, after he made hurtfull comments about 'being proud of leading an all Black west indies team' in the early 80's, when there were no players of Indian origin in the side.
 
Braveheart said:
There is an uneasy history between players of Indian origin and sir Vivian Richards, after he made hurtfull comments about 'being proud of leading an all Black west indies team' in the early 80's, when there were no players of Indian origin in the side.
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kalicharan?
 
QazzarFan said:
wait so he obviously wrote this before hand and had it in his pocket to be shown at the right moment...that paper must be really really old then

Ramdin is the one to talk haha...the guy had so many opportunity and failed to prove over and over again.. One lame century won't cut it Denesh...you're no where close to spitting distance of Viv
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If i am not wrong Viv criticized him two days before the Edgbaston test, so this was Ramdin first inning after Viv's criticism of him
 
Cannot believe they fined him.

Maybe they should roll back the years and go to the Sky Sports offices and nab Nasser only to give him a brown envelope saying "You've been fined" :facepalm:
 
Wicketkeeper-batter and former West Indies Test skipper Denesh Ramdin has decided to retire from international cricket.

He will continue to play in franchise cricket. Ramdin represented West Indies in 74 Test matches, 139 ODIs and 71 T20Is. He scored 2898 runs in the longest format, with four centuries. He accumulated 2200 runs in ODIs with two centuries and scored a further 636 runs T20I cricket.

Ramdin made his international debut for West Indies against Sri Lanka in 2005. He last represented his country in a T20I series against India in 2019.

Announcing his retirement, Ramdin wrote on a post on Instagram, "It is with great pleasure that I announce my retirement from international cricket. I fulfilled my childhood dreams by playing cricket for Trinidad and Tobago and the West Indies.

"My career afforded me the opportunity to see the world, make friends from different cultures and still be able to appreciate where I came from."

Confirming his intention to continue playing franchise cricket, Ramdin added, " Even though I am announcing my retirement from international cricket, I am not retiring from professional cricket. I will still be playing franchise cricket around the world."

Ramdin concluded by thanking his wife and friends for their support throughout the years. "I take this opportunity to thank everyone who made an impact on my 14 year career, particularly my family, my beautiful wife Janelle, and our kids for all the sacrifices you had to make for me to be away for long periods of time during my international career," he stated.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2681803
 
LOL I remember this moment so well for some reason. Looked like a protestor protesting outside a government building rather than an international cricketer who had just scored a century. I think he ended up regretting this stunt too.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Caribbeans of Asian descent have never taken kindly to Viv :inti
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arif_2021 said:
There is no basis to this statement.
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This has been a long held allegation against Viv Richards' captaincy. Despite making up about a fifth of the Caribbean population, there were no Indo-Caribbean players for WI from 1982 until Shiv Chanderpaul's debut.

The Indo-Caribbean community had a fraught relationship with the wider West Indies. When India toured venues like Trinidad and Guyana where the largest Indo-Caribbean populations are found, it wasn't uncommon for them to receive cheers. Apparently they were cheered when they chased 400 at Queens Park Oval in 1976 vs WI.

Unfortunately ethnic stereotypes that Indo-Caribbeans were weak, veggie eating, not built for fast bowling etc were sometimes aired, that somehow Indo-Caribbean cricketers didn't fit Viv's vision of a WI team flying the flag of black nationalism.

Again, I don't know how true these whispers are. Viv had a relationship with an Indian actor Neena Gupta, and has an Indo-Caribbean daughter.
 
Markhor said:
This has been a long held allegation against Viv Richards' captaincy. Despite making up about a fifth of the Caribbean population, there were no Indo-Caribbean players for WI from 1982 until Shiv Chanderpaul's debut.

The Indo-Caribbean community had a fraught relationship with the wider West Indies. When India toured venues like Trinidad and Guyana where the largest Indo-Caribbean populations are found, it wasn't uncommon for them to receive cheers. Apparently they were cheered when they chased 400 at Queens Park Oval in 1976 vs WI.

Unfortunately ethnic stereotypes that Indo-Caribbeans were weak, veggie eating, not built for fast bowling etc were sometimes aired, that somehow Indo-Caribbean cricketers didn't fit Viv's vision of a WI team flying the flag of black nationalism.

Again, I don't know how true these whispers are. Viv had a relationship with an Indian actor Neena Gupta, and has an Indo-Caribbean daughter.
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I've read stories that Viv was booed at times when he played at Trinidad in particular.
 
Markhor said:
This has been a long held allegation against Viv Richards' captaincy. Despite making up about a fifth of the Caribbean population, there were no Indo-Caribbean players for WI from 1982 until Shiv Chanderpaul's debut.

The Indo-Caribbean community had a fraught relationship with the wider West Indies. When India toured venues like Trinidad and Guyana where the largest Indo-Caribbean populations are found, it wasn't uncommon for them to receive cheers. Apparently they were cheered when they chased 400 at Queens Park Oval in 1976 vs WI.

Unfortunately ethnic stereotypes that Indo-Caribbeans were weak, veggie eating, not built for fast bowling etc were sometimes aired, that somehow Indo-Caribbean cricketers didn't fit Viv's vision of a WI team flying the flag of black nationalism.

Again, I don't know how true these whispers are. Viv had a relationship with an Indian actor Neena Gupta, and has an Indo-Caribbean daughter.
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1/5 of the population isn’t that big of a proportion to justify selection.

WI team was very competitive and therefore it was hard for good players to be part of the team irrespective of Indian heritage.

They had consistent selection of long term
Players. Very little chop and change.

If they were losing and tried many players but not gave opportunity to Afro Indians then you can say that discrimination was present.
 
I use this phrase quite often - "Yeah talk nah".

Kudos for Ramdin for coining it.
 
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