Yes, bacon really is killing us

[R3verse Swing]

There are numerous "causes" of cancer, just as there are scores if not hundreds of different cancers.
We already cure at least 75% of cancers in childhood in UK.
Even the cure rate for bronchogenic (lung) cancer is now approaching 50%. And lung cancer is the prime example of a lifestyle/enviromental cancer. 80 - 90 % are caused by cigarette smoking.
Other lifestyle carcinomas include hepatic (liver) cancer from alcohol & aflatoxins found in an african plant, bladder cancers from aniline dyes, colonic cancer from excess consumption of ANY RED MEAT.
I will continue after I finish my dinner which today will include a bit of roast pork & cottage pie (beef mince). Plus australian shiraz.

You are not getting it.

When DNA fails to replicate properly, cells mutate, resulting in cancer.

Science has NOT cured cancer, it has merely prolonged it. Big difference. In the same way there is no cure for Flu, just prevention!

 

[KingKhanWC]

I've tried a variety of meats but now cutting back on all because of the many documented health risks ALL meats pose.

It's not really a debate with the Mullah brigade, is it? You can't debate with a brick wall.

It's as healthy as eating a pig as it's worrying about religion every time you breath.

Meat is good for you if the animal is bred properly, meat is cooked properly and eaten in moderation.

 

[Syed1]

Is it easy to acquire pig meat in India? I would guess overwhelming majority of the population being vegetarian and it bring Haram for Muslims would mean there is a very, very tiny market for it.


A couple of my Indian Hindu friends who consume all meat avoid pork I guess for cultural reasons.

 

[Third_Umpire]

It's as healthy as eating a pig as it's worrying about religion every time you breath.

Meat is good for you if the animal is bred properly, meat is cooked properly and eaten in moderation.

Moderation is the only thing I can agree with. Anything once in a while (pig included) won't hurt you. Breeding/cooking won't matter much, if you're consuming meat everyday.

Not sure what the first part meant.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Cancer's global footprint

http://globalcancermap.com/

Middle East and SC have the lowest rates. I wonder why. Hmmm. Must be a fluke!

 

[TM Riddle]

Is it easy to acquire pig meat in India? I would guess overwhelming majority of the population being vegetarian and it bring Haram for Muslims would mean there is a very, very tiny market for it.


A couple of my Indian Hindu friends who consume all meat avoid pork I guess for cultural reasons.

Its a common belief that overwhelming population in India are vegetarian. Thats basically true for a few Northern states only. The ones down South and in North East love their meat.
Yes Pork eating isn't that common here. Although Piggery as a business is gaining popularity now a days (A classmate of mine recently started one) so the future looks bright. The one I ate , we caught it in the jungles of South East Rajasthan. Was quite huge and had one of those huge big tusks . Amazing experience!

 

[Abdul]

Yes, bacon is killing you. The other cancerous foods you all tend to eat every day are completely fine. Had a good laugh reading some of the responses on this thread.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes, bacon is killing you. The other cancerous foods you all tend to eat every day are completely fine. Had a good laugh reading some of the responses on this thread.

Speak for yourself. I am very careful choosing which foods to eat. Maybe you should think harder about your diet.

 

[Syed1]

Its a common belief that overwhelming population in India are vegetarian. Thats basically true for a few Northern states only. The ones down South and in North East love their meat.
Yes Pork eating isn't that common here. Although Piggery as a business is gaining popularity now a days (A classmate of mine recently started one) so the future looks bright. The one I ate , we caught it in the jungles of South East Rajasthan. Was quite huge and had one of those huge big tusks . Amazing experience!

Aren't wild boars utterly vicious and dangerous animals who attack as soon as they see humans? Must have been an epic hunt.

 

[shaz619]

Speak for yourself. I am very careful choosing which foods to eat. Maybe you should think harder about your diet.

Never mind all the other reasons you have stated am not sure how people can get past the smell of bacon, it gives off the same smell as the one after you've been to the toilet expect a lot worse

 

[TM Riddle]

Aren't wild boars utterly vicious and dangerous animals who attack as soon as they see humans? Must have been an epic hunt.

Yeah they are a real menace. Destroy the crops and are quite aggressive in nature. My elder brother is a good shot and he did most of the work while we stayed behind like little girls.

 

[Nostalgic]

The late Abdullah Hussain wrote about a boar hunt in his epic Udaas Naslein (The Weary Generations). The protagonist Niaz comes back from the war having lost his hand, and accompanies his Sikh neighbors on a boar hunt.

Boars are actually plentiful in the countryside north of Islamabad. I know people who have been mauled by them. The batman of an army officer family friend came home badly bleeding, with cuts and bruises everywhere. People in those parts hunt boar, but they don’t eat it.

 

[shaz619]

Some people are bringing religion into it but many who are not even muslim tend avoid the pig, filthy filthy animal

 

[TM Riddle]

The late Abdullah Hussain wrote about a boar hunt in his epic Udaas Naslein (The Weary Generations). The protagonist Niaz comes back from the war having lost his hand, and accompanies his Sikh neighbors on a boar hunt.

Boars are actually plentiful in the countryside north of Islamabad. I know people who have been mauled by them. The batman of an army officer family friend came home badly bleeding, with cuts and bruises everywhere. People in those parts hunt boar, but they don’t eat it.

You can't really eat boar meat on a regular basis in subcontinent where it's hot for 9 months a year. Aur garmiyon me toh sawal hi nahin uthta. It is considered as extremely fatty.

 

[shaz619]

Just seeing bacon makes me want to puke, seriously am not sure why people would want to eat it. Like there are so many other lovely meats to try and even veg to be honest. I rather eat aloo and gobi or daal / roti every day if it came to it.

 

[shaz619]

If bacon was the only meat available in the world I would 100% be a vegetarian

 

[Nostalgic]

You can't really eat boar meat on a regular basis in subcontinent where it's hot for 9 months a year. Aur garmiyon me toh sawal hi nahin uthta. It is considered as extremely fatty.

In the hill country I was talking about, it isn’t the weather that’s the issue. They don’t eat it because it’s haram.

 

[shaz619]

The Pakistani's who do eat Bacon are just those who are desperately trying to be English, they come to the UK see a few white people and get offered a bacon sandwich and then they take a bite and be like oooh am an Englishman now! how amazing! this is when the coconut effect kicks in and inferior complex, that obsession with everything foreign takes over when really back home you have a nice Tandoori Roti and Karahi waiting

 

[cricketworm]

Just seeing bacon makes me want to puke, seriously am not sure why people would want to eat it. Like there are so many other lovely meats to try and even veg to be honest. I rather eat aloo and gobi or daal / roti every day if it came to it.

You would be saying something different if you weren't born in Muslim family and may be christian family. So yes, when it comes to eating habits religion and culture play big role.

 

[cricketworm]

Almost everyone hates what asians eat on the east. But Asians love their seafood like Christian love their bacon and Muslim love their goat meat.

 

[R3verse Swing]

You would be saying something different if you weren't born in Muslim family and may be christian family. So yes, when it comes to eating habits religion and culture play big role.

What about the Vegans and Vegetarians who choose not to eat meat because of morality? Where does Religion and Culture come in?

 

[JaDed]

Some people are bringing religion into it but many who are not even muslim tend avoid the pig, filthy filthy animal

It's a nice animal, can be as loyal as dogs.

 

[JaDed]

Is it easy to acquire pig meat in India? I would guess overwhelming majority of the population being vegetarian and it bring Haram for Muslims would mean there is a very, very tiny market for it.


A couple of my Indian Hindu friends who consume all meat avoid pork I guess for cultural reasons.

1 billion population,even a tiny market is a huge market, franchises stay away from pork and beef ,stand alone restaurants try it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Almost everyone hates what asians eat on the east. But Asians love their seafood like Christian love their bacon and Muslim love their goat meat.

Is this one of your personal studies or something you have plucked out of thin air?

Muslims are allowed to eat goat, doesn't mean they love all love it. It may be news to you but Muslims are normal people who have different tastes and desires.

As mentioned by Shaz, many Non-Muslims dont eat pork. An old friend of mine is a Rastafarian, he and his fellow coreligionists do not eat Pork at all.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's a nice animal, can be as loyal as dogs.

Its a very intelligent animal but there is nothing nice about it. Why would you want loyalty from a Pig, it doesn't guard your house as a dog does?

Btw it's important for everyone to remember, if the ONLY food available is a Pig , Muslims can eat it if their life is in danger.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The only reason one would want loyalty from an animal is if they cannot find loyalty from a human.

 

[cricketworm]

What about the Vegans and Vegetarians who choose not to eat meat because of morality? Where does Religion and Culture come in?

Same thing due to culture and religion, they chose not to eat meat, the way they like their veggies, same way meat eaters like their meat. (I am talking about a general mass, you can't pin point that how some people decide to eat veggies only despite their religion.)

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Have only skimmed read it for now but isn’t the article suggesting that potassium nitrate and sodium nitrite, which is used to treat such meat, causes cancer and not the meat itself?

 

[cricketworm]

Is this one of your personal studies or something you have plucked out of thin air?

Muslims are allowed to eat goat, doesn't mean they love all love it. It may be news to you but Muslims are normal people who have different tastes and desires.

As mentioned by Shaz, many Non-Muslims dont eat pork. An old friend of mine is a Rastafarian, he and his fellow coreligionists do not eat Pork at all.

Right! So why becon is sold in millions in America and zilch in Saudi Arabia? LOL

 

[R3verse Swing]

Same thing due to culture and religion, they chose not to eat meat, the way they like their veggies, same way meat eaters like their meat. (I am talking about a general mass, you can't pin point that how some people decide to eat veggies only despite their religion.)

So an Atheist who decides not to eat meat follows which culture?

 

[cricketworm]

So an Atheist who decides not to eat meat follows which culture?

Culture they 'adopt' as they grow up. Atheist born in China will have different food on their plate than America.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The Pakistani's who do eat Bacon are just those who are desperately trying to be English, they come to the UK see a few white people and get offered a bacon sandwich and then they take a bite and be like oooh am an Englishman now! how amazing! this is when the coconut effect kicks in and inferior complex, that obsession with everything foreign takes over when really back home you have a nice Tandoori Roti and Karahi waiting

There's those, then there's also the atheists who would probably eat it as a right of passage. It makes sense really because the real reason we don't eat bacon is religious, not scientific, so would be like striking a blow against Islam to eat swine. I can think of a few posters here who would chow down on a bacon buttie the second they landed in a non-Muslim country, even if they were vegan.

 

[babajee]

Why are you bringing religion into a non religious thread [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]?

If you read the article Islam isn’t even mentioned once

 

[KingKhanWC]

Right! So why becon is sold in millions in America and zilch in Saudi Arabia? LOL

Because it's banned in Saudi. lol

 

[Obeid]

Any kind of processed meat is bad for you. For instance, nitrates found in processed/preserved meat like bacon (beef, turkey, or pork) have been linked to cancer. It has always been suggested to avoid or limit the consumption of bacon and processed and preserved meat as a result. Meat today is also mass produced. Animals are pumped with hormones and fed diets that actually make them sick. For instance here in the U.S., cattle are fed corn (corn is subsidized in the US. Cheap feed). Cattle can not digest corn and it makes them sick, so they are given antibiotics and other medicines. On top of that, they are given hormones to speed up growth, milk production, etc. If eating meat, it's best to consume organic, free range, grass fed meats and to consume it once in a blue moon. Our environment, and bodies both mentally and physically would reap the benefits.

When it comes to eating meat, again its consumption should be limited but not necessarily avoided outright. If we eat food in the right proportions, and if we eat good food, then it is beneficial for us. The opposite is also true where too much of anything is bad for you. Our ancestors ate meat sparingly. Great source of protein and fats when needed. The issue of consuming meat arises when we as humans over consume it. We have people eating meat 3 times a day at least. For those unnecessarily bringing Islam into this discussion, the traditional islamic diet (that of our prophet) was "semi vegetarian" in that they avoided eating meat regularly. They ate it only on special occasions for the most part. The prophet (PBUH) hardly ate meat, and he and his companions warned of its addictiveness and over consumption. Omar ibn Al Khattab said,"Beware of meat. It has addictiveness like the addictiveness of wine." The prophet also warned against eating beef. It's allowed but again should be limited. Some of the mullahs from Pakistan can certainly heed this advice.

 

[saadibaba]

The late Abdullah Hussain wrote about a boar hunt in his epic Udaas Naslein (The Weary Generations). The protagonist Niaz comes back from the war having lost his hand, and accompanies his Sikh neighbors on a boar hunt.

Boars are actually plentiful in the countryside north of Islamabad. I know people who have been mauled by them. The batman of an army officer family friend came home badly bleeding, with cuts and bruises everywhere. People in those parts hunt boar, but they don’t eat it.

This reminded me of a scene from Apolcalypto. I am not sure if the hills of Islamabad would provide for such a communal hunting experience, especially the dress code or lack of.

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[Nostalgic]

This reminded me of a scene from Apolcalypto. I am not sure if the hills of Islamabad would provide for such a communal hunting experience, especially the dress code or lack of.

Certain farmhouses in the hills on the Islamabad outskirts are renowned for a certain lack of dress.

No, I don’t mean IK’s farmhouse.

 

[PakLFC]

Swine supporters here will say that ffor every critic of pork there are equal supporters. Show them video's of the damage swine causes and they will still argue. Hey, eat it if you want! Muslim's don't kill people for eating the wrong thing unless a certain community who kill people for eating beef.

 

[kaayal]

Is it easy to acquire pig meat in India? I would guess overwhelming majority of the population being vegetarian and it bring Haram for Muslims would mean there is a very, very tiny market for it.


A couple of my Indian Hindu friends who consume all meat avoid pork I guess for cultural reasons.

South is mostly composed of non vegetarians except for a few brahmins/iyers/iyengars etc. And in the christian dominated areas, Pork is very common.

 

[King-Misbah]

As Muslims, we are very keen to cite how bad pork is for us because we have to find ways to justify why it is haram.

There are many halal things that are bad for us and are killing us, but we continue to indulge in them. For example, there is enough evidence to suggest that red meat is not good for us, but yet, we continue to consume it.

Bacon is pretty much the best pork has to offer and we are missing out on it. Similarly, non-veg Hindus are deprived of the blessing that a medium steak with mashed potatoes and steamed vegetables is.

If pork was halal and beef was haram, we would be quoting studies and research to confirm our position and prove that we are right, i.e. confirmation bias.

There is nothing more to look into here. Bacon is great and people should continue and will continue to enjoy it. I have had beef and turkey bacon, but it is obviously not going to be anything like the original bacon.

Is this lenghty statement in line with the Pakistani society? I remember you giving everyone a lecture that all actions/ views should be in line with the Pakistani society etc. Another U-Turn?

 

[JaDed]

Its a very intelligent animal but there is nothing nice about it. Why would you want loyalty from a Pig, it doesn't guard your house as a dog does?

Btw it's important for everyone to remember, if the ONLY food available is a Pig , Muslims can eat it if their life is in danger.

Why? Apparently Bacon if well raised is good enough to consume according to reverse swingy.

 

[Syed1]

Is this lenghty statement in line with the Pakistani society? I remember you giving everyone a lecture that all actions/ views should be in line with the Pakistani society etc. Another U-Turn?

Good catch... expect Dr. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] to do another runner.

 

[sshakir411]

Only tried beef or turkey bacon but I can only imagine why people like the real stuff. Diet is the biggest cause of health issues but hey it's a free world and everyone is free to do/eat what they like.

 

[big_gamer007]

Some utterly ridiculous arguments in this thread however not unexpected..

On topic had salami as a kid couple of times was okay I guess don’t remember if it was pork or chicken salami but was decent taste.. Nowadays I only eat chicken and sometimes mutton..

 

[CricketCartoons]

I tried Beef and Pork during my atheist days ( was brainwashed by liberal fascist friends) and didn't like beef but liked pork.

Now I am a born again Hindu and regret having tasted beef. But I console myself that at least it was not an indian cow.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

A mutated cell is the result of damaged DNA.

Again, I don't think you're grasping what I explained earlier.

The question is, what initially caused the mutation to happen within the DNA. What factors played a role. Those factors are not just limited to "dodgy enzymes and radioactivity". There are many other factors that can play a role, i.e. environmental exposures, medicine, etc.

Standing at a gas station and pumping gas exposes us to about 50 foreign substances.

Another simple example, acetaminophen (the active ingredient in Tylenol), excess amounts have been linked to causing liver cancer. How does this process happen? Well, once Phase II metabolism enzymes in the liver (i.e glutathione) are saturated the body automatically metabolizes the excess amount through Phase I metabolism. This is done by Cytochrome P450 enzymes. Now, the enzyme that is involved in this process has a bi-product that forms called NAPQI, which can potentially go on to form DNA adducts.

Seeing the above, if one was to overdose on acetaminophen and get cancer. This would not be caused by a dodgy enzyme or radioactivity. There are countless other examples of this.

 

[Heisenberg]

Again, I don't think you're grasping what I explained earlier.

The question is, what initially caused the mutation to happen within the DNA. What factors played a role. Those factors are not just limited to "dodgy enzymes and radioactivity". There are many other factors that can play a role, i.e. environmental exposures, medicine, etc.

Standing at a gas station and pumping gas exposes us to about 50 foreign substances.

Another simple example, acetaminophen (the active ingredient in Tylenol), excess amounts have been linked to causing liver cancer. How does this process happen? Well, once Phase II metabolism enzymes in the liver (i.e glutathione) are saturated the body automatically metabolizes the excess amount through Phase I metabolism. This is done by Cytochrome P450 enzymes. Now, the enzyme that is involved in this process has a bi-product that forms called NAPQI, which can potentially go on to form DNA adducts.

Seeing the above, if one was to overdose on acetaminophen and get cancer. This would not be caused by a dodgy enzyme or radioactivity. There are countless other examples of this.

How much is excessive amounts in this case?

 

[BreadPakoda]

I hear similar arguments against beef. Its unhygienic, causes cancer etc. Its clear some people have an agenda and get their knickers in a twist when someone else consumes beef/pork.
What is required is a crackdown on malpractices in the food industry, consequently, use of less harmful preservatives and complete avoidance of injecting hormones. Of course, no one will talk about it as it doesn't suit their agendas.

 

[James]

There’s no doubt that the evidence is stacking up against bacon, sausages and other processed / canned meats. Honestly these should be avoided altogether.

I will admit that pig meat (I don’t like the term “swine” as this often seems like it is being used in a pejorative context) is gorgeous to eat - wow, it’s good - but anyone who has troughed through a deep-filled bacon sandwich full of flesh, fat, ketchup and butter will be able to testify how unhealthy it feels just eating and digesting it on the day, never mind the long-term effects of frequent consumption which do not even bear thought.

Red meat in general, however delicious it may be (and it is), is also definitely not great for us to eat. As a special treat, red meat is okay, but not when it forms the backbone of the human diet.

For me, I am a vegetarian nowadays so it is all moot to me. To forbid eating certain animals for whatever reason is 100% fine.

What I DON’T like, in fact utterly DETEST, is when those animals are called dirty and disgusting and repugnant, or especially if those animals are cast out, insulted, mistreated!! I have seen and read all sorts of horrible things in my time, particularly about pigs, who are in fact very intelligent and kind beings; but religion and culture can sometimes be used as an excuse to be very nasty and subhuman towards pigs.

It is not the animal’s fault how it is made - we should treat animals with the utmost respect, as we hopefully would treat each other as well.

 

[Slog]

When I asked him to name the ‘germs’ that need to be killed five times a day with tap water, he ended up doing the usual - aye, baye and shayen.

lol I dont know why but it reminded me of Ayesha Gulalai )

As for topic - Read first 11-12 posts and its going as expected. If beef was prohibited in Islam, we would have seen a laundry list of why beef is bad

 

[Slog]

Question for those who say ham is haram because 'Pigs eat anything'

Lets say if a pig was raised in a controlled environment where hygeine was totally monitored and it was ensured that hygiene is top priority. Would eating its meat be allowed over lets say many of the cattle which also live in filthy conditions?

 

[Slog]

Why are you bringing religion into a non religious thread [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]?

If you read the article Islam isn’t even mentioned once

tbh while the article isnt a religious one, I can say with some certainty that the ONLY and ONLY reason OP posed and some posters are jumping in joy at it is because it supports an aspect of his religion. There are many studies which outline the harmful effect of other meat but the concerned OP conveniently avoids them and never posted them....

 

[Heisenberg]

Cancer's global footprint

http://globalcancermap.com/

Middle East and SC have the lowest rates. I wonder why. Hmmm. Must be a fluke!

Yeah I don't think first world countries and their superior access to and/or more aggressive cancer screening methods is a fluke.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lly-fatal-camel-urine-who-warns-10307041.html

What do you think about this? Allah knows best? Or does this not fit the narrative?

 

[Slog]

tbh while the article isnt a religious one, I can say with some certainty that the ONLY and ONLY reason OP posed and some posters are jumping in joy at it is because it supports an aspect of his religion. There are many studies which outline the harmful effect of other meat but the concerned OP conveniently avoids them and never posted them....

though Ill add that this is not just a Muslim feature

Many Hindus also do same with any meat and cite animal rights and whatnot lol. They cite moral reason for not eating meat whereas its abdundantly clear that if it werent for religion they wouldn't have same views

As Mamoon said - you call it confirmation bias

 

[TM Riddle]

though Ill add that this is not just a Muslim feature

Many Hindus also do same with any meat and cite animal rights and whatnot lol. They cite moral reason for not eating meat whereas its abdundantly clear that if it werent for religion they wouldn't have same views

As Mamoon said - you call it confirmation bias

Majority Hindus eat meat and I can't ever imagine giving up on it. I do have problem with the way the animals are being treated in the meat factories though and therefore as a principle have decided to never eat at fast food conglomerates serving meat dishes. Thankfully in India you can go straight to a butcher shop and buy fresh meat out of it thus I mostly prefer eating at home prepared by me dad who btw is an excellent cook and cooks an amazingly delicious laal maas.

 

[carbon11]

The problem with pigs is they don't release toxins from their body it stays in the pig, in particular the fat and skin
Hence the disgusting urine like odour when it's cooked

 

[Zahid87]

So much amazing knowledge gathered in this thread.

I am sure we will preach this to our new found Chinese benefactors when they present us with the gift of development.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Have only skimmed read it for now but isn’t the article suggesting that potassium nitrate and sodium nitrite, which is used to treat such meat, causes cancer and not the meat itself?

I thought the same.

People are just citing the article and then interjecting DNA theories on their own behalf. A bit confusing.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Also confusing is the religious twisting and turning- Pig is very close to humans in terms of DNA, so don't eat it! But not so close that we can't look at it in absolute disgust!

So what is it fellows? A pig is too close to humans to eat, but at the same time just a filthy beast your religion tells you to be far away from? Or both.

 

[Pakpak]

Cancers are caused by many reasons. Firstly there are a lot of types so you can't speak of them collectively. But the most common ones such lung cancer, liver cancer etc are caused by a lot of lifestyle choices. Smoking is one big one.

As for pigs and 'they eat everything', has anyone seen how chickens are kept in modern day farming? They regularly eat their own excrement as well due to being kept in small spaces. So do rabbits. Beef is a killer when it comes to cholesterol yet its fine to eat. Millions eat pork worldwide and noone is dying.

Meat is meat, in moderation everything is fine.

Hating animals citing religion is poor stuff. Dogs are considered a laanat in Muslim countries even though millions of dogs aid humans in countless ways worldwide. That's just one example.

 

[Madplayer]

Also confusing is the religious twisting and turning- Pig is very close to humans in terms of DNA, so don't eat it! But not so close that we can't look at it in absolute disgust!

So what is it fellows? A pig is too close to humans to eat, but at the same time just a filthy beast your religion tells you to be far away from? Or both.

It is a paradox like socratic paradox or the twin paradox. Dont think too much about it. It can mess with your mind.

 

[DeadBall]

A lot of religious Hogwash in this thread.

Since my wife is Romanian we get a lot of gifts of pork meat and tsuica (schnapps) from the relatives. The carnati (afumati or for the grill) and steaks are really good, don't like the shunka but the mici are heavenly. These are all prepared at home so aren't that processed.

Also the Wiener Schnitzel or Cordon Bleu are to die for, but I usually substitute it with Turkey meat when I make it at home as it is lighter.

However now that Easter is coming we shall be bombarded by Lamb meat.

 

[Robert]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

The Bacon in question is that of Swine. Read the article. It's not just about Bacon, but also Ham, and Pork.

The reason why Swine is Caregenic is because the anatomy of swine is the closest to that of a human, in other words, eating swine is like eating a human. I won't go into the biological and chemical details, but cancer is caused by faulty DNA replication in the cell, which is effected by enzymes.

So you carrying on enjoy eating Beef and Turkey Bacon, because Allah knows best.

Doesn’t make sense.

My old Dad had the heart valve of a pig inserted into him. By a Muslim surgeon. Didn’t give the old boy cancer, but extended his life by years.

Any DNA entering your gut will be denatured by hydrochloric acid in no time and broken down into polypeptides and fatty acids.

Bacon elevates cancer risk because it is fatty.

 

[Robert]

There’s no doubt that the evidence is stacking up against bacon, sausages and other processed / canned meats. Honestly these should be avoided altogether.

I will admit that pig meat (I don’t like the term “swine” as this often seems like it is being used in a pejorative context) is gorgeous to eat - wow, it’s good - but anyone who has troughed through a deep-filled bacon sandwich full of flesh, fat, ketchup and butter will be able to testify how unhealthy it feels just eating and digesting it on the day, never mind the long-term effects of frequent consumption which do not even bear thought.

Red meat in general, however delicious it may be (and it is), is also definitely not great for us to eat. As a special treat, red meat is okay, but not when it forms the backbone of the human diet.

For me, I am a vegetarian nowadays so it is all moot to me. To forbid eating certain animals for whatever reason is 100% fine.

What I DON’T like, in fact utterly DETEST, is when those animals are called dirty and disgusting and repugnant, or especially if those animals are cast out, insulted, mistreated!! I have seen and read all sorts of horrible things in my time, particularly about pigs, who are in fact very intelligent and kind beings; but religion and culture can sometimes be used as an excuse to be very nasty and subhuman towards pigs.

It is not the animal’s fault how it is made - we should treat animals with the utmost respect, as we hopefully would treat each other as well.

Aye, various religions have prohibitions against various type of animal and it is because they just.... look wrong. The Torah says don’t eat shellfish. Is it a fish? Is it an animal? It looks weird, what is it, don’t eat it for goodness sake! Similarly pigs have hooves not feet, that makes them wrong in some way therefore “unclean”.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So much amazing knowledge gathered in this thread.

I am sure we will preach this to our new found Chinese benefactors when they present us with the gift of development.

The Chinese really do like their pork. Along with cats, dogs and insects it should be added, but that is what I find fascinating about thid Pak/Chin brothership pledge. On the one hand you have an aspiring Islamic republic, on the other an atheist state with a complete opposite in culinary preference. Shows what can be accomplished if people look for the common good instead of the differences.

 

[Zahid87]

The Chinese really do like their pork. Along with cats, dogs and insects it should be added, but that is what I find fascinating about thid Pak/Chin brothership pledge. On the one hand you have an aspiring Islamic republic, on the other an atheist state with a complete opposite in culinary preference. Shows what can be accomplished if people look for the common good instead of the differences.

Hmm, so do you think we can meet on some common ground, culinary wise.

Dogs and pigs are obvious no-nos...but cats and insects. Do you think one of the by-effect's of CPEC could be the introduction of Tandoori Billi? Completely clean and revered, unlike the vile and disgusting pig.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

How much is excessive amounts in this case?

A lot of factors play a role in hepatotoxicity from acetaminophen. A persons BMI, current health, and so forth. Usually taking around 4,000-5,000mg at one time can potentially get you those high concentrations in the body.

 

[Syed1]

The Chinese really do like their pork. Along with cats, dogs and insects it should be added, but that is what I find fascinating about thid Pak/Chin brothership pledge. On the one hand you have an aspiring Islamic republic, on the other an atheist state with a complete opposite in culinary preference. Shows what can be accomplished if people look for the common good instead of the differences.

Fun fact consuming cats and dogs isn't as widespread in China as it is made out in the rest of the world. Heck it is even discouraged in China itself and only consumed in the poorest parts of the country since these animals are cheap food.


Also insects are consumed in Africa not China.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hmm, so do you think we can meet on some common ground, culinary wise.

Dogs and pigs are obvious no-nos...but cats and insects. Do you think one of the by-effect's of CPEC could be the introduction of Tandoori Billi? Completely clean and revered, unlike the vile and disgusting pig.

You are looking at it the wrong way. Chinese and Pakistani are already meeting on common ground, there are lots of Chinese restaurants already in Pakistan, and you would like to think plenty of Pakistani restaurants (cue Indian protests) in China. Take away the halal or haram factor and there is still enough protein to go round. There is even vegetarian 'meat' available these days, so good apparently you can't tell the difference.

 

[Zahid87]

You are looking at it the wrong way. Chinese and Pakistani are already meeting on common ground, there are lots of Chinese restaurants already in Pakistan, and you would like to think plenty of Pakistani restaurants (cue Indian protests) in China. Take away the halal or haram factor and there is still enough protein to go round. There is even vegetarian 'meat' available these days, so good apparently you can't tell the difference.

Do these really count? Shoving some noodles in a karhai with Shaan Masala and some soy sauce on top isn't really Chinese food.

I would imagine its the same as the Bangladeshi curry houses here. Food not fit for consumption. I think we can be a little bit more accommodating to our ever generous brothers.

 

[cricketworm]

Because it's banned in Saudi. lol

And the reason why it's banned in Saudi

Becaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaause?

And what did I say to Shaz?

(wait wait ... no one tells him, he will figure it out)

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Do these really count? Shoving some noodles in a karhai with Shaan Masala and some soy sauce on top isn't really Chinese food.

I would imagine its the same as the Bangladeshi curry houses here. Food not fit for consumption. I think we can be a little bit more accommodating to our ever generous brothers.

Baby steps bro, have some patience. I heard the first pizzas being sold tasted more like quiche when enterprising Pakistanis first turned their hand to Italian cuisine. Like that topical Chinese proverb says, a journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step.

 

[R3verse Swing]

And the reason why it's banned in Saudi

Becaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaause?

And what did I say to Shaz?

(wait wait ... no one tells him, he will figure it out)

Why are Cows protected by the Indian constitution?

 

[cricketworm]

Why are Cows protected by the Indian constitution?

I will also wait for you to figure out answer to that question.

It will come, just wait for it.

 

[R3verse Swing]

I will also wait for you to figure out answer to that question.

It will come, just wait for it.

The answer is simple. RELIGION. Nothing to figure out. Do not see why you are having difficulty in understanding.

SA ban Swine due to religion, the same reason India protects Cows (above Humans), religion.

This is pretty obvious, though not so obvious for one who believe sea levels would rise when submerged ice would melt - just saying.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The answer is simple. RELIGION. Nothing to figure out. Do not see why you are having difficulty in understanding.

SA ban Swine due to religion, the same reason India protects Cows (above Humans), religion.

This is pretty obvious, though not so obvious for one who believe sea levels would rise when submerged ice would melt - just saying.

What is the percentage of the non floating ice vs the floating ice? I think this is very important to decide if sea levels rise with ice melting.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Pakistan, an Islamic state, forbids swine. Saudi Arabia, an Islamic nation, forbids swine - major issue! Oh my god! Hold your horses! Democracy and freedom under attack! BUT, India being a secular nation (allegedly) protects Cows on the basis of religion, yes sir ree, this is neither favourable nor peculiar at all in the name of a said religion.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Pakistan, an Islamic state, forbids swine. Saudi Arabia, an Islamic nation, forbids swine - major issue! Oh my god! Hold your horses! Democracy and freedom under attack! BUT, India being a secular nation (allegedly) protects Cows on the basis of religion, yes sir ree, this is neither favourable nor peculiar at all in the name of a said religion.

Don't judge all Hindus by these secular breed you find online. Saudi Arabia does the right thing and India does the right thing too (although I want India to do more for us Hindus). These seculars are the worst islamophobes you will find, so just ignore them and engage with us, the real hindus, who understand the sensitivities of every (state) religion.

 

[cricketworm]

You would be saying something different if you weren't born in Muslim family and may be christian family. So yes, when it comes to eating habits religion and culture play big role.

What about the Vegans and Vegetarians who choose not to eat meat because of morality? Where does Religion and Culture come in?

Is this one of your personal studies or something you have plucked out of thin air?

Muslims are allowed to eat goat, doesn't mean they love all love it. It may be news to you but Muslims are normal people who have different tastes and desires.

As mentioned by Shaz, many Non-Muslims dont eat pork. An old friend of mine is a Rastafarian, he and his fellow coreligionists do not eat Pork at all.

Same thing due to culture and religion, they chose not to eat meat, the way they like their veggies, same way meat eaters like their meat. (I am talking about a general mass, you can't pin point that how some people decide to eat veggies only despite their religion.)

Right! So why becon is sold in millions in America and zilch in Saudi Arabia? LOL

Because it's banned in Saudi. lol

And the reason why it's banned in Saudi

Becaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaause?

And what did I say to Shaz?

(wait wait ... no one tells him, he will figure it out)

Why are Cows protected by the Indian constitution?

Make sense of my posts now?

Btw. Namak Halal was great movie.

 

[Mamoon]

Is this lenghty statement in line with the Pakistani society? I remember you giving everyone a lecture that all actions/ views should be in line with the Pakistani society etc. Another U-Turn?

Good catch... expect Dr. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] to do another runner.

You are equating two separate issues.

If I wanted to eat pork or have alcohol, I would not do it openly out of respect for my culture and society.

If I eat pork. It would obviously mean that I do not think of it as a big deal. However, irrespective of what I think, the fact is that my society and culture do not view it favorably, and if I decide to eat it openly, all the criticism and hate that I would receive would be justified.

I might call them wrong or ignorant, but it is what it is. It is my job to deal with it.

I have no problems with people adhering to the ruling of Islam on pork. I do the same as well, because abstaining from pork has been strongly emphasized in Islam.

My only problem is with people making a fool of themselves by using ridiculous justifications for why pork is haram.

All the theories of how it is a filthy animal and the meat is unhealthy etc. have been debunked, since we do eat animals that are equally filthy and we do eat meat that is even more unhealthy.

If the shoe was on the other foot, the same people would be defending the consumption of pork and would have attempted to make beef worse than it actually is.

It appears that it is very difficult for people to accept their blind faith. Using ridiculous logic is far worse than accepting your blind faith.