Yes, bacon really is killing us

[Mamoon]

There you have it. So much for the generalisation that Red meat is carcinogenic which is 100% wrong. The point is how red meat is processed, and you can guess what is added, yup, Enzymes.

Took a few posts, but we got there.

Let me spell it out to you in the most basic form English that I know:

(a) Processed meat - no matter what - is unhealthy. Hence, it should be consumed in moderation.

(b) Lean cut pork is a considerably healthier option than red meat.

(c) I called processed meat a carcinogen, not red meat necessarily.

(d) Science has not added credence to your world view. The scientific facts that you cited are straight from "Islamic science" that makes a mockery of what actual science is. Your views on this topic - and on a multitude of other topics - are akin to Trump talking about global warming.

 

[Mamoon]

lol. You're missing the point, monitoring pigs isn't realistic, they are such animals they will eat any garbage within their surroundings.

You're ignoring the research provided but simply claim pork is good for you. Plenty of people eat dogs too but dont die so I guess that is ok too.

Yes it's a religious belief but there is plenty of logic behind it which you fail recognise and instead debate with daft comparisons to chicken.

I am not missing the point and neither are you. The problem is that you do not want to address the point because it puts you in a tight spot.

Assume that I am able to monitor and regulate the diet of pigs. Would the meat of those pigs be halal? Of course not, since haram is not halal under so and so conditions. The only time a Muslim can eat pork is when he has absolutely nothing else to eat.

Chickens and goats are filthy animals as well, but you have no problem with their consumption because they are halal.

Hence, the filthiness of pigs is nothing but a pretext. It appears that it is very hard for us to accept that blind faith plays a big part in religion. There is nothing embarrassing about it.

However, creating straw man arguments and using Islamic science to prove so and so in order to strengthen our confirmation bias is certainly embarrassing.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Let me spell it out to you in the most basic form English that I know:

(a) Processed meat - no matter what - is unhealthy. Hence, it should be consumed in moderation.

(b) Lean cut pork is a considerably healthier option than red meat.

(c) I called processed meat a carcinogen, not red meat necessarily.

(d) Science has not added credence to your world view. The scientific facts that you cited are straight from "Islamic science" that makes a mockery of what actual science is. Your views on this topic - and on a multitude of other topics - are akin to Trump talking about global warming.

What happened to your list of diseases from Beef?

Let me spell it out for you, you do not have a leg to stand on.

You have already conceded that Beef isn't harmful, it's processed meat that adds enzymes.

You hatred for Islam has clouded your judgement.

Enjoy your swine!

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am not missing the point and neither are you. The problem is that you do not want to address the point because it puts you in a tight spot.

Assume that I am able to monitor and regulate the diet of pigs. Would the meat of those pigs be halal? Of course not, since haram is not halal under so and so conditions. The only time a Muslim can eat pork is when he has absolutely nothing else to eat.

Chickens and goats are filthy animals as well, but you have no problem with their consumption because they are halal.

Hence, the filthiness of pigs is nothing but a pretext. It appears that it is very hard for us to accept that blind faith plays a big part in religion. There is nothing embarrassing about it.

However, creating straw man arguments and using Islamic science to prove so and so in order to strengthen our confirmation bias is certainly embarrassing.

Of course not haram is haram. It has nothing to do with religion, a pig no matter who much you monitor it will eat it's own excrement. But to compare this to chickens is stupid at best, they only eat those droppings which have bugs/insects iside them and their droppings are not the same as what comes out of a Pig. According to PETA a pig farm with 5,000 animals produces as much fecal waste as a city of 50,000 people. Unless you live with them in the pen , you wont stop them. Even if you did they are still disease carrying animals, not like chickens or goats. A Pig would eat a dead body, a goat or chicken will not. Not sure if you're a doctor but you're certainly not a vet.

Millions of Non-Muslims dont eat pigs but eat other meats. Your only point so far is people are using religion to justify not eating pork but the article has nothing to do with relgion. Why dont you refute the points in the article instead of creating straw men arguments yourself but accusing others of doing it?

 

[R3verse Swing]

I think CricketWorm is upset because the only way to reduce Methane is to eat livestock.

He has a choice. Either to save the planet, or follow his religion!

Tough choice.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think CricketWorm is upset because the only way to reduce Methane is to eat livestock.

He has a choice. Either to save the planet, or follow his religion!

Tough choice.

He first said Muslims love to eat goats and when I responded Muslims have different tastes like all people his response was Pork is banned in Saudi tho lol.

I would rather eat a worm than a pig.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The hilarious aspect is that people like Mamoon are quick to attack religion, but had he read the OP, it was pure science, nothing to do with religion. The weakness and motivation is clear. It's easier to be deliberately obtrusive and controversial for the sake of attention, than to be objective.

 

[R3verse Swing]

He first said Muslims love to eat goats and when I responded Muslims have different tastes like all people his response was Pork is banned in Saudi tho lol.

I would rather eat a worm than a pig.

Also being vegetation according to him is part of adoption, rather than choice, culture, or religion.

Weird, but hey, lets save the planet!

 

[Slog]

The hilarious aspect is that people like Mamoon are quick to attack religion, but had he read the OP, it was pure science, nothing to do with religion. The weakness and motivation is clear. It's easier to be deliberately obtrusive and controversial for the sake of attention, than to be objective.

The only reason this was shared by OP was confirmation bias in relation to Islam. He has a history of it anyway

I have read many scientific articles pointing the problems of consuming red meat but OP has never shared these.

OP is sharing such articles ONLY because his religion tells him not to eat pork and similarly I've seen Hindus here share research against red meat or talk about moral aspect of killing animals because their religion tells them not to consume meat.

I don't eat pork and never intend to but I'm clear on the fact that I don't consume it because my religion tells me not to.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I think CricketWorm is upset because the only way to reduce Methane is to eat livestock.

He has a choice. Either to save the planet, or follow his religion!

Tough choice.

If livestock cause methane, the logical conclusion would be to not consume meat or diary products so that there is less demand, instead of eating more so the demand for livestock rises.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The only reason this was shared by OP was confirmation bias in relation to Islam. He has a history of it anyway

I have read many scientific articles pointing the problems of consuming red meat but OP has never shared these.

OP is sharing such articles ONLY because his religion tells him not to eat pork and similarly I've seen Hindus here share research against red meat or talk about moral aspect of killing animals because their religion tells them not to consume meat.

I don't eat pork and never intend to but I'm clear on the fact that I don't consume it because my religion tells me not to.

I see, so the articles is judged based on the person who posted it? So if an Atheist posted the OP, then it would add credence to the OP article?

Many non religious people choose not to eat swine too.

Reminds me of a lyric:

"I'm the cream of the crop, I rise to the top. I never eat a pig, cause a pig is a cop"

 

[Slog]

I see, so the articles is judged based on the person who posted it? So if an Atheist posted the OP, then it would add credence to the OP article?

Many non religious people choose not to eat swine too.

Reminds me of a lyric:

"I'm the cream of the crop, I rise to the top. I never eat a pig, cause a pig is a cop"

Many non religious people choose not to eat beef as well but are okay with ham, chicken, turkey etc

What's the point? Do you have one?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Many non religious people choose not to eat beef as well but are okay with ham, chicken, turkey etc

What's the point? Do you have one?

There it is.

The fact you are willing to accept the views of non-religious who eat swine but not beef, says it all.

Your only objection to the OP is the poster. Weak.

 

[CricketCartoons]

There it is.

The fact you are willing to accept the views of non-religious who eat swine but not beef, says it all.

Your only objection to the OP is the poster. Weak.

you didn't tell me. Does eating livestock reduce or increase their supply?

 

[Slog]

There it is.

The fact you are willing to accept the views of non-religious who eat swine but not beef, says it all.

Your only objection to the OP is the poster. Weak.

That's your response

'Weak' - LOL. Tells everything. No substance there clearly.

Have fun with your confirmation bias

 

[R3verse Swing]

That's your response

'Weak' - LOL. Tells everything. No substance there clearly.

Have fun with your confirmation bias

Your post is weak. This is the point. You disregard the article in the OP because of the poster. You have not even read the article. In fact, the likes of James have also posted in support of the article, but you have nothing to say to him. Let me guess, he is not Muslim.

The only bias here is your bias against Islam.

Have fun digging on swine!

 

[Slog]

Your post is weak. This is the point. You disregard the article in the OP because of the poster. You have not even read the article. In fact, the likes of James have also posted in support of the article, but you have nothing to say to him. Let me guess, he is not Muslim.

The only bias here is your bias against Islam.

Have fun digging on swine!

There's no bias against Islam. Don't take thekaydari of my religion.

You have been exposed and embarrassed throughout the thread so there's no reason for me to engage and do it further.

As I said good luck with the confirmation bias

 

[shaz619]

I hate bacon but [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] is right about the OP

 

[shaz619]

You would be saying something different if you weren't born in Muslim family and may be christian family. So yes, when it comes to eating habits religion and culture play big role.

I don't know why people automatically assume what ones origins are or beliefs / cultural background, they have to be x or y or z right to hold a specific view...but doesn't have to be the case in every instance you worm

 

[R3verse Swing]

There's no bias against Islam. Don't take thekaydari of my religion.

You have been exposed and embarrassed throughout the thread so there's no reason for me to engage and do it further.

As I said good luck with the confirmation bias

Engage? Don't kid yourself, I was not expecting you to engage, not that I was going to anyway, given your bias with the OP poster. But it's ok, a religious person says Swine is bad, you attack Islam, a non religious person says Swine is bad, it's dead silence.

Your reverse and compensation psychology isn't not going to change your hatred towards Islam, no matter what you say.

 

[shaz619]

There's those, then there's also the atheists who would probably eat it as a right of passage. It makes sense really because the real reason we don't eat bacon is religious, not scientific, so would be like striking a blow against Islam to eat swine. I can think of a few posters here who would chow down on a bacon buttie the second they landed in a non-Muslim country, even if they were vegan.

Those guys have openly admitted what they do and why in the past and going by their actions it's a fair conclusion as it is tbh Am not sure why they bother, too much time is wasted on those pointless vendettas

 

[Slog]

I hate bacon but [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] is right about the OP

Honestly I believe the science here too so that's no the issue. And I've never had bacon and don't intend to due to my faith so clearly I don't care whether it's considered bad for health or not.

I just don't appreciate the double standards and hypocrisy on display that someone suddenly becomes a big believer in western science and research because it lends credence to a viewpoint you have. What makes it worse is that there is credible research outlining the bad effects of red meat which such people won't give the time of the day because it isn't to their liking.

Atleast be consistent.

 

[Slog]

Engage? Don't kid yourself, I was not expecting you to engage, not that I was going to anyway, given your bias with the OP poster. But it's ok, a religious person says Swine is bad, you attack Islam, a non religious person says Swine is bad, it's dead silence.

Your reverse and compensation psychology isn't not going to change your hatred towards Islam, no matter what you say.

I attacked Islam? Well seems your comprehension skills aren't much if that's the impression you get.

Do tell me what's your opinion on credible research outlining negative long term impact on health through consumption of red meat? Don't evade. Do you subscribe to that research?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Confirmation bias is the new buzz phrase on PP. I think Travel.. .err...sorry, Ooparcut coined this one, I look forward to giving it a spin in future discussions. Thanks all.

 

[R3verse Swing]

I attacked Islam? Well seems your comprehension skills aren't much if that's the impression you get.

Do tell me what's your opinion on credible research outlining negative long term impact on health through consumption of red meat? Don't evade. Do you subscribe to that research?

Why do you keep changing your posts?

The audacity to point out one's comprehension skills given you did not even read the article in the OP but had an opinion on it! Talk about blind hatred!

 

[Slog]

Why do you keep changing your posts?

The audacity to point out one's comprehension skills given you did not even read the article in the OP but had an opinion on it! Talk about blind hatred!

Good job evading the question. Not unexpected

 

[shaz619]

Honestly I believe the science here too so that's no the issue. And I've never had bacon and don't intend to due to my faith so clearly I don't care whether it's considered bad for health or not.

I just don't appreciate the double standards and hypocrisy on display that someone suddenly becomes a big believer in western science and research because it lends credence to a viewpoint you have. What makes it worse is that there is credible research outlining the bad effects of red meat which such people won't give the time of the day because it isn't to their liking.

Atleast be consistent.

You're totally right about red meat and it's no secret that it's not something which is going to boost your health, but obviously people tend to pick and choose certain views when it suits their agenda.

Personally don't eat much red meat, it has given me some serious problems in the past as well. Once in a while I will though like on Eid or if I have a craving for Lamb Chops

 

[troodon]

Jewish people hate Pork too.

My son goes to an after school Day Care which is run by Jewish community and they avoid Pig/Pork like a Plague.

Jews are smart.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Good job evading the question. Not unexpected

Not evading, I am ignoring. Not going to hide this fact.

Not here to appease your insecurities and hatred. All you had to do was read the article in the OP. Maybe when a non-Muslim will post such an article you will pay heed?

Who needs enemies when we have such bias prevaricators of Islam!

 

[Slog]

Not evading, I am ignoring. Not going to hide this fact.

Not here to appease your insecurities and hatred. All you had to do was read the article in the OP. Maybe when a non-Muslim will post such an article you will pay heed?

Who needs enemies when we have such bias prevaricators of Islam!

So it's done.

You keep posting and replying but when there is actual question you evade like you and your buddy KKWC have been doing throughout the thread
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] - another lesson for you today. When you are called out on your confirmation bias and are actually asked relevant questions the best policy is to evade. So much learning in one day!

 

[Slog]

Jewish people hate Pork too.

My son goes to an after school Day Care which is run by Jewish community and they avoid Pig/Pork like a Plague.

Jews are smart.

It's not allowed in their religion either

 

[R3verse Swing]

So it's done.

You keep posting and replying but when there is actual question you evade like you and your buddy KKWC have been doing throughout the thread

You keep posting and replying too. See what I did here?

You were well-done like a steak on page 1.

Good night!

 

[Slog]

You keep posting and replying too. See what I did here?

You were well-done like a steak on page 1.

Good night!

Lol does the smiley make you feel a bit better?

I'm sure being called out with a simple question which you can't reply to doesn't feel you make all that good though

Good night!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The only reason this was shared by OP was confirmation bias in relation to Islam. He has a history of it anyway

I have read many scientific articles pointing the problems of consuming red meat but OP has never shared these.

OP is sharing such articles ONLY because his religion tells him not to eat pork and similarly I've seen Hindus here share research against red meat or talk about moral aspect of killing animals because their religion tells them not to consume meat.

I don't eat pork and never intend to but I'm clear on the fact that I don't consume it because my religion tells me not to.

You are 100% correct on this, so is Mamoon, the only reason a Muslim refrains from eating pig is because Allah commands it, makes no difference whether Miss Piggy is filthy, clean, delicious or stinky.

The OP has confirmation bias, on that we can all agree, even if the article was scientific and made no mention of religion. But OP's confirmation bias is for Allah and his messenger so if he has diverted even one soul towards Jannat his work will have been done subhanallah.

 

[Slog]

You are 100% correct on this, so is Mamoon, the only reason a Muslim refrains from eating pig is because Allah commands it, makes no difference whether Miss Piggy is filthy, clean, delicious or stinky.

The OP has confirmation bias, on that we can all agree, even if the article was scientific and made no mention of religion. But OP's confirmation bias is for Allah and his messenger so if he has diverted even one soul towards Jannat his work will have been done subhanallah.

Good.

So he should be clear about his intentions. Similarly many Hindus should also be clear about their intentions when they share articles outlining negative impact of consuming red meat

 

[R3verse Swing]

Lol does the smiley make you feel a bit better?

It's not an LOL smiley, it just a smile.

I shudder to think how you would respond even if you had read the article in the OP, because small images do not escape your bias either!

<---- Smile!

 

[Slog]

It's not an LOL smiley, it just a smile.

I shudder to think how you would respond even if you had read the article in the OP, because small images do not escape your bias either!

<---- Smile!

I thought you'd said 'Good Night' and signed off.

Don't be too rattled man.

 

[R3verse Swing]

I thought you'd said 'Good Night' and signed off.

Don't be too rattled man.

Rattled? I am enjoying this.

I just had to respond to your inability at recognising an image. Perhaps crayons may help in the future.

Go on, you can have the last word.

<----Reminder, it's a smile.

 

[Slog]

Anyway this was all pretty humorous.

Good night folks! Maybe someone can think of answer to a question which they have no reply to and clearly seem rattled by!

 

[R3verse Swing]

Yeah I don't think first world countries and their superior access to and/or more aggressive cancer screening methods is a fluke.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lly-fatal-camel-urine-who-warns-10307041.html

What do you think about this? Allah knows best? Or does this not fit the narrative?

Camel Urine is mentioned in the Qur'an? I may have missed it. Please educate me and cite the verse. Will never say no to education!

 

[WC-Passion]

Some gems in this thread, thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

[shaz619]

Some gems in this thread, thoroughly enjoyed it.

Camel Urine

 

[Heisenberg]

Camel Urine is mentioned in the Qur'an? I may have missed it. Please educate me and cite the verse. Will never say no to education!

The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet (ﷺ) ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet (ﷺ) he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron.

حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، حَدَّثَنَا هَمَّامٌ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، عَنْ أَنَسٍ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ أَنَّ نَاسًا، اجْتَوَوْا فِي الْمَدِينَةِ فَأَمَرَهُمُ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنْ يَلْحَقُوا بِرَاعِيهِ ـ يَعْنِي الإِبِلَ ـ فَيَشْرَبُوا مِنْ أَلْبَانِهَا وَأَبْوَالِهَا، فَلَحِقُوا بِرَاعِيهِ فَشَرِبُوا مِنْ أَلْبَانِهَا وَأَبْوَالِهَا، حَتَّى صَلَحَتْ أَبْدَانُهُمْ فَقَتَلُوا الرَّاعِيَ وَسَاقُوا الإِبِلَ، فَبَلَغَ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَبَعَثَ فِي طَلَبِهِمْ، فَجِيءَ بِهِمْ فَقَطَعَ أَيْدِيَهُمْ وَأَرْجُلَهُمْ، وَسَمَرَ أَعْيُنَهُمْ‏.‏ قَالَ قَتَادَةُ فَحَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ سِيرِينَ أَنَّ ذَلِكَ كَانَ قَبْلَ أَنْ تَنْزِلَ الْحُدُودُ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5686
In-book reference : Book 76, Hadith 9USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 71, Hadith 590 (deprecated numbering scheme)

sunnah.com/bukhari/76/9

And here's a mainstream Islamic website on the wonders of camel urine - https://islamqa.info/en/83423

Allah, of course, knows best.

 

[Madplayer]

The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet (ﷺ) ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet (ﷺ) he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron.

حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، حَدَّثَنَا هَمَّامٌ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، عَنْ أَنَسٍ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ أَنَّ نَاسًا، اجْتَوَوْا فِي الْمَدِينَةِ فَأَمَرَهُمُ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنْ يَلْحَقُوا بِرَاعِيهِ ـ يَعْنِي الإِبِلَ ـ فَيَشْرَبُوا مِنْ أَلْبَانِهَا وَأَبْوَالِهَا، فَلَحِقُوا بِرَاعِيهِ فَشَرِبُوا مِنْ أَلْبَانِهَا وَأَبْوَالِهَا، حَتَّى صَلَحَتْ أَبْدَانُهُمْ فَقَتَلُوا الرَّاعِيَ وَسَاقُوا الإِبِلَ، فَبَلَغَ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَبَعَثَ فِي طَلَبِهِمْ، فَجِيءَ بِهِمْ فَقَطَعَ أَيْدِيَهُمْ وَأَرْجُلَهُمْ، وَسَمَرَ أَعْيُنَهُمْ‏.‏ قَالَ قَتَادَةُ فَحَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ سِيرِينَ أَنَّ ذَلِكَ كَانَ قَبْلَ أَنْ تَنْزِلَ الْحُدُودُ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5686
In-book reference : Book 76, Hadith 9USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 71, Hadith 590 (deprecated numbering scheme)

sunnah.com/bukhari/76/9

And here's a mainstream Islamic website on the wonders of camel urine - https://islamqa.info/en/83423

Allah, of course, knows best.

1) Islam-qa is renowned Wahabi website and the interpretations are done in light of wahabi ideology generally.

2) This hadith does not prove that under normal circumstances drinking camel urine is permissible. Infact, it only emphasises the generally known fact that if a muslim has no other alternative left, he can consume things which are generally prohibited by Islam. Pork is allowed to eat if you have nothing else and its a matter of survival. Similar is the case of camel urine in this incident.

3) About the branding of eyes and killing, those people had done the exact same thing to the shepherd so they were punished accordingly as per the law of that time.

 

[TM Riddle]

[MENTION=146465]R3verse Swing[/MENTION] After you are done answering Slog and CC , could you please tell me as per you why Polar Vortex isn't behind extreme weather events we are witnessing in mid latitudes? You have been avoiding this simple question of mine of late for some reason.
Thanks.

 

[Sidilicious]

A lot of religious Hogwash in this thread.

Since my wife is Romanian we get a lot of gifts of pork meat and tsuica (schnapps) from the relatives. The carnati (afumati or for the grill) and steaks are really good, don't like the shunka but the mici are heavenly. These are all prepared at home so aren't that processed.

Also the Wiener Schnitzel or Cordon Bleu are to die for, but I usually substitute it with Turkey meat when I make it at home as it is lighter.

However now that Easter is coming we shall be bombarded by Lamb meat.

Can you please stop posting this. Making me hungry man.

A nice juicy hamburger with bacon on top is one of my favourites, but nothing beats a proper schnitzel with fries.

 

[Heisenberg]

1) Islam-qa is renowned Wahabi website and the interpretations are done in light of wahabi ideology generally.

2) This hadith does not prove that under normal circumstances drinking camel urine is permissible. Infact, it only emphasises the generally known fact that if a muslim has no other alternative left, he can consume things which are generally prohibited by Islam. Pork is allowed to eat if you have nothing else and its a matter of survival. Similar is the case of camel urine in this incident.

3) About the branding of eyes and killing, those people had done the exact same thing to the shepherd so they were punished accordingly as per the law of that time.

1) Salafi/Wahabi whatever you want to call it. It's a popular website in the Arab world where the Salafi school of thought is mainstream. And now, with the likes of, Al-Huda/Saudi funded madressahs mainstreaming it in Pakistan too. Not sure what the point of mentioning that was anyway. They just spoke about the 'studies' done in Arab universities to prove how great camel urine is.

2) What? The Hadith clearly says that the prophet recommended it for disease next to camel milk. Unless you think camel milk is also only to be consumed when no other alternatives exist otherwise it's haram like pork?

3) Okay. Didn't argue for or against. Was just part of the Hadith.

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=146465]R3verse Swing[/MENTION] After you are done answering Slog and CC , could you please tell me as per you why Polar Vortex isn't behind extreme weather events we are witnessing in mid latitudes? You have been avoiding this simple question of mine of late for some reason.
Thanks.

I think it is important to distinguish between the terms weather, global warming and climate change.

The Beast from the East is weather - a cold front pushed south by global warming stratosphere effects over the Arctic. Climate change is what will result when global warming continues and messes up the ar and ocean currents.

 

[Musakhel]

The only reason this was shared by OP was confirmation bias in relation to Islam. He has a history of it anyway

I have read many scientific articles pointing the problems of consuming red meat but OP has never shared these.

OP is sharing such articles ONLY because his religion tells him not to eat pork and similarly I've seen Hindus here share research against red meat or talk about moral aspect of killing animals because their religion tells them not to consume meat.

I don't eat pork and never intend to but I'm clear on the fact that I don't consume it because my religion tells me not to.

Islam does not encourage consumption of red meat Hazrat Umar banned consumption of red meat on consecutive days during his reign.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet (ﷺ) ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet (ﷺ) he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron.

حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، حَدَّثَنَا هَمَّامٌ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، عَنْ أَنَسٍ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ أَنَّ نَاسًا، اجْتَوَوْا فِي الْمَدِينَةِ فَأَمَرَهُمُ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنْ يَلْحَقُوا بِرَاعِيهِ ـ يَعْنِي الإِبِلَ ـ فَيَشْرَبُوا مِنْ أَلْبَانِهَا وَأَبْوَالِهَا، فَلَحِقُوا بِرَاعِيهِ فَشَرِبُوا مِنْ أَلْبَانِهَا وَأَبْوَالِهَا، حَتَّى صَلَحَتْ أَبْدَانُهُمْ فَقَتَلُوا الرَّاعِيَ وَسَاقُوا الإِبِلَ، فَبَلَغَ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَبَعَثَ فِي طَلَبِهِمْ، فَجِيءَ بِهِمْ فَقَطَعَ أَيْدِيَهُمْ وَأَرْجُلَهُمْ، وَسَمَرَ أَعْيُنَهُمْ‏.‏ قَالَ قَتَادَةُ فَحَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ سِيرِينَ أَنَّ ذَلِكَ كَانَ قَبْلَ أَنْ تَنْزِلَ الْحُدُودُ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5686
In-book reference : Book 76, Hadith 9USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 71, Hadith 590 (deprecated numbering scheme)

sunnah.com/bukhari/76/9

And here's a mainstream Islamic website on the wonders of camel urine - https://islamqa.info/en/83423

Allah, of course, knows best.

So nothing from the Qur'an.

Thought as much.

 

[WC-Passion]

Camel Urine

Yup, don't forget eating gold and silver.

 

[TM Riddle]

I think it is important to distinguish between the terms weather, global warming and climate change.

The Beast from the East is weather - a cold front pushed south by global warming stratosphere effects over the Arctic. Climate change is what will result when global warming continues and messes up the ar and ocean currents.

And this sudden weather change has Global Warming behind it which is a climatic phenomenon.

 

[humzy]

If we are talking dietary issues based on religion and backed by science here then why isn't sugar banned? Seems to me that sugar is a bigger cause of death then either pork meat or red meat.

If only people thought about the filthy effects on your body before eating that gulab jaman or stuffing your face with kajjur.

 

[Slog]

If we are talking dietary issues based on religion and backed by science here then why isn't sugar banned? Seems to me that sugar is a bigger cause of death then either pork meat or red meat.

If only people thought about the filthy effects on your body before eating that gulab jaman or stuffing your face with kajjur.

Haha good one

 

[R3verse Swing]

If we are talking dietary issues based on religion and backed by science here then why isn't sugar banned? Seems to me that sugar is a bigger cause of death then either pork meat or red meat.

If only people thought about the filthy effects on your body before eating that gulab jaman or stuffing your face with kajjur.

Artificial sugar is bad. Natural sugar such as in fruits is fine. Your are not going to die by eating fruit because sugar is glucose which is basically energy.

 

[Third_Umpire]

If we are talking dietary issues based on religion and backed by science here then why isn't sugar banned? Seems to me that sugar is a bigger cause of death then either pork meat or red meat.

If only people thought about the filthy effects on your body before eating that gulab jaman or stuffing your face with kajjur.

Don't ask tough questions.

And "enjoy your swine!"

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=146465]R3verse Swing[/MENTION] After you are done answering Slog and CC , could you please tell me as per you why Polar Vortex isn't behind extreme weather events we are witnessing in mid latitudes? You have been avoiding this simple question of mine of late for some reason.
Thanks.

) ,your posting abilities have improved massively ,should bump the south vs north thread.

 

[humzy]

Artificial sugar is bad. Natural sugar such as in fruits is fine. Your are not going to die by eating fruit because sugar is glucose which is basically energy.

Thats fundamentally incorrect. Artificial sugar and natural sugar are not different when entering the body they both turn into glucose as energy, and the energy that isn't used gets stored as fat.

The only major difference between a candy bar and a kajjur is the added vitamins and minerals that come along with the fruit in addition to the sugar. However you can get those same vitamins and minerals from spinach of broccoli without the added sugar.

Let me make it even clearer, the added vitamins in fruit don't magically make the sugar in it disappear and turn into "good sugar". Sugar is sugar.

 

[TM Riddle]

) ,your posting abilities have improved massively ,should bump the south vs north thread.

This forum is dominated by Southerners. Me and CC won't stand a chance.

 

[James]

Thats fundamentally incorrect. Artificial sugar and natural sugar are not different when entering the body they both turn into glucose as energy, and the energy that isn't used gets stored as fat.

The only major difference between a candy bar and a kajjur is the added vitamins and minerals that come along with the fruit in addition to the sugar. However you can get those same vitamins and minerals from spinach of broccoli without the added sugar.

Let me make it even clearer, the added vitamins in fruit don't magically make the sugar in it disappear and turn into "good sugar". Sugar is sugar.

Agree with this. Fruit is full of sugar and highly overrated - apart from tomatoes (love these, need to cut down!) I barely eat the stuff. Instead I eat loads of vegetables and find this a much better option - extremely healthy, they taste great, are useful for the digestive system, much cheaper than fruit, and in the fridge it can take weeks for veg to even start going rotten. It’s amazing how many legit square meals you can create from the likes of aubergines, peppers, onions (love red onions!), broccoli, carrots, potatoes, butternut squash..... To complement them I really like topping up with lentils, kidney beans, chickpeas, cannellini beans etc as well. Yum! Who needs fruit?

 

[humzy]

Agree with this. Fruit is full of sugar and highly overrated - apart from tomatoes (love these, need to cut down!) I barely eat the stuff. Instead I eat loads of vegetables and find this a much better option - extremely healthy, they taste great, are useful for the digestive system, much cheaper than fruit, and in the fridge it can take weeks for veg to even start going rotten. It’s amazing how many legit square meals you can create from the likes of aubergines, peppers, onions (love red onions!), broccoli, carrots, potatoes, butternut squash..... To complement them I really like topping up with lentils, kidney beans, chickpeas, cannellini beans etc as well. Yum! Who needs fruit?

If only i had your discipline my friend.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Thats fundamentally incorrect. Artificial sugar and natural sugar are not different when entering the body they both turn into glucose as energy, and the energy that isn't used gets stored as fat.

The only major difference between a candy bar and a kajjur is the added vitamins and minerals that come along with the fruit in addition to the sugar. However you can get those same vitamins and minerals from spinach of broccoli without the added sugar.

Let me make it even clearer, the added vitamins in fruit don't magically make the sugar in it disappear and turn into "good sugar". Sugar is sugar.

Sugar is a necessity in a diet. but if you are telling me Saccharin is the same as natural sugar and has the same effects as natural sugar, then you need to read this : https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/artificial-sweeteners-fact-sheet

As far as natural sugar's go, it's all down to moderation of intake and exercise to burn up the energy. It also depends on one's metabolism, the ability to convert chemical energy into mechanical energy.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Agree with this. Fruit is full of sugar and highly overrated - apart from tomatoes (love these, need to cut down!) I barely eat the stuff. Instead I eat loads of vegetables and find this a much better option - extremely healthy, they taste great, are useful for the digestive system, much cheaper than fruit, and in the fridge it can take weeks for veg to even start going rotten. It’s amazing how many legit square meals you can create from the likes of aubergines, peppers, onions (love red onions!), broccoli, carrots, potatoes, butternut squash..... To complement them I really like topping up with lentils, kidney beans, chickpeas, cannellini beans etc as well. Yum! Who needs fruit?

Fruits also contain antioxidants. Yes veggies are good for you, as are fruits.

However above fruit and vegetable, is Honey. Has all the polyphenols and antioxidants one needs, and is the only food that never spoils or rots.

 

[DeadBall]

Jewish people hate Pork too.

My son goes to an after school Day Care which is run by Jewish community and they avoid Pig/Pork like a Plague.

Jews are smart.

Actually like most thing in the Abrahamic religions that's where it was copied from. I doubt many Arabs circa 600 A.D even knew what pigs were.

 

[s28]

OP : Posts article about how it's not a good idea to jump in front of moving cars
Intellectuals : "Why didn't OP write about how much good cars do rather than try to denigrate cars?"
Cosmic Galactic Brain Intellectuals : "I'm going to deliberately throw myself in front of a car just to spite this fascist who is telling me what to think and do"

 

[humzy]

Sugar is a necessity in a diet. but if you are telling me Saccharin is the same as natural sugar and has the same effects as natural sugar, then you need to read this : https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/artificial-sweeteners-fact-sheet

As far as natural sugar's go, it's all down to moderation of intake and exercise to burn up the energy. It also depends on one's metabolism, the ability to convert chemical energy into mechanical energy.

I have no idea why you brought saccharin and artificial sweeteners into this. I am specifically discussing real sugar, whether it comes in the form of a fruit or the white table sugar you put in your tea or candy bars. Artificial sweeteners are usually in diet sodas and other products marketed as diet friendly, which have their own biological issues.

And who on earth told you we need sugar in our diet? You do know there a millions of people out there who follow a ketogenic diet and don't even consume any form of carbohydrate, let alone sugar.

 

[R3verse Swing]

I have no idea why you brought saccharin and artificial sweeteners into this. I am specifically discussing real sugar, whether it comes in the form of a fruit or the white table sugar you put in your tea or candy bars. Artificial sweeteners are usually in diet sodas and other products marketed as diet friendly, which have their own biological issues.

And who on earth told you we need sugar in our diet? You do know there a millions of people out there who follow a ketogenic diet and don't even consume any form of carbohydrate, let alone sugar.

I brought in artificial sugar because you asked why sugar is not banned. I merely pointed out that artificial sugar is bad. Hence I had to point out the likes Saccharin falls into the artificial sugar category. What you were eluding to in the above post was processed sugar, which is not the same as artificial sugar or technically natural. Please check my post #215

Sugar in natural form is not harmful at all, it is simply a form of energy, glucose – which is why it is needed. Sure you can find replacements, but a natural form of energy cannot be beaten. It’s not bad in small doses at all. Sugar helps maintain levels of insulin in our body.

Eating vegetables means you are also consuming sugar as you do with wheat for example. Yes added sugar is the single worst ingredient in the modern diet (process or artificial), but that does not mean naturally occurring sugar is bad for you.

Of course, eating tons of candy bars and sugary drinks is not going to be beneficial since it is all processed.

 

[humzy]

I brought in artificial sugar because you asked why sugar is not banned. I merely pointed out that artificial sugar is bad. Hence I had to point out the likes Saccharin falls into the artificial sugar category. What you were eluding to in the above post was processed sugar, which is not the same as artificial sugar or technically natural. Please check my post #215

Sugar in natural form is not harmful at all, it is simply a form of energy, glucose – which is why it is needed. Sure you can find replacements, but a natural form of energy cannot be beaten. It’s not bad in small doses at all. Sugar helps maintain levels of insulin in our body.

Eating vegetables means you are also consuming sugar as you do with wheat for example. Yes added sugar is the single worst ingredient in the modern diet (process or artificial), but that does not mean naturally occurring sugar is bad for you.

Of course, eating tons of candy bars and sugary drinks is not going to be beneficial since it is all processed.

You are not getting my point, lets leave artificial sugar out of this for now as I did not even. allude to that.

Real sugar, whether its added or natural is the same thing, if you eat a boat load of candy or a boat load of mangoes, you risk the same effects of diabetes, insulin levels going haywire.

Let me make it easier for you to understand, why do you believe sugar in natural form is ok but sugar added into a food is not? we are specifically talking real sugar here and not that artificial zero calorie crap.

 

[R3verse Swing]

You are not getting my point, lets leave artificial sugar out of this for now as I did not even. allude to that.

Real sugar, whether its added or natural is the same thing, if you eat a boat load of candy or a boat load of mangoes, you risk the same effects of diabetes, insulin levels going haywire.

Let me make it easier for you to understand, why do you believe sugar in natural form is ok but sugar added into a food is not? we are specifically talking real sugar here and not that artificial zero calorie crap.

Let me make it easier for you, your argument is eating boat loads of the stuff is harmful. This has got nothing to do with sugar itself being harmful. Your point is more to do with discipline of intake. Vitamins are great for you too, but try overdosing on them. Vitamins are bad then?

Yet you want sugar banned because people eat sugar by the bucket load and have no control over themselves?

I have already told you why sugar is ok both in natural and processed (excluding artificial sugar of course) and why Sugar is also a necessity in diet, glucose/energy. Plus lack of sugar can also result in Hypoglycaemia, which can lead on to more fatal diseases.

Do you think we should stop eating fruit then? Everything in moderation I say, but don’t knock sugar because people cannot control themselves with the intake.

 

[humzy]

Let me make it easier for you, your argument is eating boat loads of the stuff is harmful. This has got nothing to do with sugar itself being harmful. Your point is more to do with discipline of intake. Vitamins are great for you too, but try overdosing on them. Vitamins are bad then?

Yet you want sugar banned because people eat sugar by the bucket load and have no control over themselves?

I have already told you why sugar is ok both in natural and processed (excluding artificial sugar of course) and why Sugar is also a necessity in diet, glucose/energy. Plus lack of sugar can also result in Hypoglycaemia, which can lead on to more fatal diseases.

Do you think we should stop eating fruit then? Everything in moderation I say, but don’t knock sugar because people cannot control themselves with the intake.

So you are agreeing with everything I have stated then.

My argument isn't to ban sugar. I love sugar.

I personally believe that eating most things in moderation is fine (including sugar, pork and red meat) as long as you live a decently active lifestyle and have the ability to burn off excess energy stores.

Our society's biggest concern is diet related health issues not because of what we are eating, but the excess amounts we are eating while living a sedentary lifestyle.

My argument was that sugar is a higher cause of mortality then eating red meat or pork. So if Pork is banned in islam due to its health concern, why isn't sugar banned considering it causes more issues.

Taking into consideration that Pork has little health issues when eaten in moderation and burnt off through an active lifestyle, just like sugars and red meat.

 

[R3verse Swing]

So you are agreeing with everything I have stated then.

My argument isn't to ban sugar. I love sugar.

I personally believe that eating most things in moderation is fine (including sugar, pork and red meat) as long as you live a decently active lifestyle and have the ability to burn off excess energy stores.

Our society's biggest concern is diet related health issues not because of what we are eating, but the excess amounts we are eating while living a sedentary lifestyle.

My argument was that sugar is a higher cause of mortality then eating red meat or pork. So if Pork is banned in islam due to its health concern, why isn't sugar banned considering it causes more issues.

Taking into consideration that Pork has little health issues when eaten in moderation and burnt off through an active lifestyle, just like sugars and red meat.

Here is what you posted above :

If we are talking dietary issues based on religion and backed by science here then why isn't sugar banned? Seems to me that sugar is a bigger cause of death then either pork meat or red meat.

If only people thought about the filthy effects on your body before eating that gulab jaman or stuffing your face with kajjur.

Please read your quote above. You were clearly suggesting Sugar is harmful and questioned why it is not banned - no where did you mention moderation. Thus my argument above that sugar is not bad for you and why it is essential. (Though artificial sugar is another story).

If sugar has a higher cause of morality, then it's not down to the sugar itself, it's down to the individual and how many gulab jamans/kajjurs they are stuffing down their gut.

Anyway, glad we ended up on a note of agreement in reference to moderation.

 

[humzy]

Here is what you posted above :



Please read your quote above. You were clearly suggesting Sugar is harmful and questioned why it is not banned - no where did you mention moderation. Thus my argument above that sugar is not bad for you and why it is essential. (Though artificial sugar is another story).

If sugar has a higher cause of morality, then it's not down to the sugar itself, it's down to the individual and how many gulab jamans/kajjurs they are stuffing down their gut.

Anyway, glad we ended up on a note of agreement in reference to moderation.

So we agree that pork in moderation is not harmful, therefore the religious view on this is incorrect?