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Ronsford Beaton, Oshane Thomas and Odean Smith have all clocked around 150.

Sheldon Cottrell has clocked 147. And he's just bowled a pretty good first over in the final...

Cottrell and Beaton have both done pretty well with Beaton bowling a superb over in the final today first up to Gayle, setting the tone as Patriots were reduced to 65/5 before recovering to post 135.

Thomas and Smith are both younger and more raw than the other two but the potential is there.

West Indies need to bring in some of these guys into the national set-up ASAP. Holder is not good enough to be the first change bowler and from what I have heard, domestic pitches do not encourage fast bowlers so waiting for them to light up the domestic scene is a waste of time.

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Thoughts? :yk2
 
Ronsford was not that quick in previous seasons but in this season he has bowled mostly in high 140s,bowled superbly with new ball decent in death overs too.
Oshane is tall and he is scary with his short of good length deliveries but I think he still has some technical glitches in his action I m no expert though
 
Really hope Beaton makes it as an international star. There are so many cricketing puns you can make with that last name.
 
These guys need to be made part of the international set up ASAP but most importantly, they need to be taken care of properly, you absolutely CANNOT afford to have them injured, lose pace and go down the drain like Fidel Edwards, Tino Best, Kemar Roach and countless other express pacers from the Caribbean.

The West Indies are in dire need of quality fast bowlers and will definitely become an established unit once this last hole is filled. Their batting is top notch with the likes of Brathwaite, Hope, Bravo, Hetmyer, Chase and Blackwood improving day by day but their bowling is beyond atrocious.

If these boys can bowl over 145 KPH consistently, I am absolutely adamant that the West Indies of the 1980's will not only be a distant memory!
 
Can only dream as a young cricket fan to see the reincarnation of the mighty west indies bowlers of the 80s in these guys.
 
Beaton is in the squad for the T20 vs England so look forward to seeing him more closely there.

West Indies need some pace in their attack, other than Gabriel there's nobody that's express. Roach had pace but lost it after his 2014 car accident.
 
Beaton's first over to Gayle yesterday.

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Wahab Riaz is on that list, so obviously pace does not win you matches.
 
I feel speed isn't a bigger of an issue for batsmen as it was a decade or so ago.

Batsmen are more skilled now then ever before to counter whatever speed the bowler bowls. Saying all that I'd love to see a WI bowler once again leading the pack in that regard.
 
dauntless said:
Ronsford was not that quick in previous seasons but in this season he has bowled mostly in high 140s,bowled superbly with new ball decent in death overs too.
Oshane is tall and he is scary with his short of good length deliveries but I think he still has some technical glitches in his action I m no expert though
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I saw Ronsford in an U19 WC a few years ago but since then he has fallen away. I hope to see some of these guys come through.
 
ExpressPacer said:
These guys need to be made part of the international set up ASAP but most importantly, they need to be taken care of properly, you absolutely CANNOT afford to have them injured, lose pace and go down the drain like Fidel Edwards, Tino Best, Kemar Roach and countless other express pacers from the Caribbean.

The West Indies are in dire need of quality fast bowlers and will definitely become an established unit once this last hole is filled. Their batting is top notch with the likes of Brathwaite, Hope, Bravo, Hetmyer, Chase and Blackwood improving day by day but their bowling is beyond atrocious.

If these boys can bowl over 145 KPH consistently, I am absolutely adamant that the West Indies of the 1980's will not only be a distant memory!
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I think you're on point. Except I don't understand why you see Blackwood as good enough to still be in tests. Help me understand that?
 
Sherlock said:
I feel speed isn't a bigger of an issue for batsmen as it was a decade or so ago.

Batsmen are more skilled now then ever before to counter whatever speed the bowler bowls. Saying all that I'd love to see a WI bowler once again leading the pack in that regard.
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Yeah, maybe because bowlers aren't as fast as they were a decade or so ago.
 
Sherlock said:
Not exactly the point I made now, is it?!

Sheez.
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Batsmen aren't more skilled than before, most are troubled when they face someone who's bowling more than 145. 10-15 years ago you had Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar who who were bowling in the low 150s consistently. Nowadays "express" bowlers mostly don't even bowl a ball over 150.
 
aloo paratha said:
Batsmen aren't more skilled than before, most are troubled when they face someone who's bowling more than 145. 10-15 years ago you had Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar who who were bowling in the low 150s consistently. Nowadays "express" bowlers mostly don't even bowl a ball over 150.
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Batsmen are more skilled than before. That's not because there's no genuine fast bowler out there right now, but because they've refined their skills in the form of T20s.

Of course you'll get a quickie troubling a batsmen, but not every batsmen is scared/troubled by pace as much as they were a decade-plus ago.
 
Sherlock said:
Batsmen are more skilled than before. That's not because there's no genuine fast bowler out there right now, but because they've refined their skills in the form of T20s.

Of course you'll get a quickie troubling a batsmen, but not every batsmen is scared/troubled by pace as much as they were a decade-plus ago.
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Not to mention helmets, and all sorts of padding which wasn't prevalent a while ago which also boosts your confidence as a batsman. People underplay this aspect, but it is important.
 
Suleiman said:
Not to mention helmets, and all sorts of padding which wasn't prevalent a while ago which also boosts your confidence as a batsman. People underplay this aspect, but it is important.
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Yep. It's a batsmen's game now. Everything is veered in their direction.
 
Holding should coax them to that next level
Ambrose and Walsh are doing what they can by all reports

The likes of Fidel and Best lacked height compared to those before them
 
Beaton looked good. WI need to groom him and take care of him else he ll lose track and a nobody after couple of tours.
 
chacha kashmiri said:
Holding should coax them to that next level
Ambrose and Walsh are doing what they can by all reports

The likes of Fidel and Best lacked height compared to those before them
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Agree, and any room they have for a shorter, skiddy bowler is already taken by Roach.

If they can get one of these quick kids up to speed then they could have a pretty handy attack- Gabriel has pace, some height and promise, Roach is experienced and skilful with swing & length, Holder can be a 4th seamer or 3rd in spinning conditions. Add some raw pace to that and they could be a handful.
 
aloo paratha said:
Batsmen aren't more skilled than before, most are troubled when they face someone who's bowling more than 145. 10-15 years ago you had Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar who who were bowling in the low 150s consistently. Nowadays "express" bowlers mostly don't even bowl a ball over 150.
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That's nonsense.

There's guys in CPL and T-20 Blast who are nowhere near national selection bowling at 150s. EVERYONE bowls fast now. Batsmen are simply much much better also.

Players from 1980s etc at their peak standard would be destroyed if they played modern cricket.
 
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But for reference, I can list at least 35 bowlers who have touched 150 in the last calendar year in pace.

That would be automatic selection in the past for any team, because genuine pace used to be rare, and isn't so much now.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
That's nonsense.

There's guys in CPL and T-20 Blast who are nowhere near national selection bowling at 150s. EVERYONE bowls fast now. Batsmen are simply much much better also.

Players from 1980s etc at their peak standard would be destroyed if they played modern cricket.
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Yes, the Holdings, Garners, IK`s, Hadlees etc would be destroyed by sloggers with no footwork or technique.
 
Great to see, hope their talent is developed so it can thrive at the international level but won't have high expectations with a god awful board like WICB
 
CricketAnalyst said:
But for reference, I can list at least 35 bowlers who have touched 150 in the last calendar year in pace.

That would be automatic selection in the past for any team, because genuine pace used to be rare, and isn't so much now.
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35 different bowlers?? Do it then.
 
Based on Australia and Sheffield shield genuinely fast bowlers are no more common now than they were in the 80s and 90s.

There are plenty of people who could always bowl 150 - in fact most fit, professional fast bowlers can push 150 km if they ramp up the effort.

Even Glenn McGrath was recorded during a match in the mid 140s in his twenties.
 
Duncan Spencer and Wayne Holdsworth were the two fastest Australian bowlers of the 80s/early 90s and neither played test cricket so I don't get how people claim that bowling fast was automatic selection.

And given they played at the same time or a few years before as a whole bunch of players who did play and get recorded at 150 at international level like McDermott and Gillespie it can't be discounted as old timers hyping up some player.
 
aloo paratha said:
35 different bowlers?? Do it then.
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Well from Australia alone you would have these guys who are all capable/have been timed in the high 140s before (note that many bowlers often choose to operate at lower speeds due to being able to have better control).

Johnson
Starc
Cummins
Pattinson
Stanlake
J Richardson
Coulter-Nile (pre his massive injury issues at least)
K Richardson (possibly a bit of a stretch)
 
Convict said:
Well from Australia alone you would have these guys who are all capable/have been timed in the high 140s before (note that many bowlers often choose to operate at lower speeds due to being able to have better control).

Johnson
Starc
Cummins
Pattinson
Stanlake
J Richardson
Coulter-Nile (pre his massive injury issues at least)
K Richardson (possibly a bit of a stretch)
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You're forgetting that Hazlewood who doesn't mainly operate in the late 140's but is most definitely capable and has shown rare glimpses of it in the past.

However, I don't think any of these guys apart from maybe Johnson at peak, Pattinson (pre-injury) and Cummins can consistently bowl over 140. Maybe Starc in 4 over stint.
 
ExpressPacer said:
You're forgetting that Hazlewood who doesn't mainly operate in the late 140's but is most definitely capable and has shown rare glimpses of it in the past.

However, I don't think any of these guys apart from maybe Johnson at peak, Pattinson (pre-injury) and Cummins can consistently bowl over 140. Maybe Starc in 4 over stint.
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All of those blokes in that list can consistently do 140. 140 isn't even remotely impressive pace.
 
ExpressPacer said:
You're forgetting that Hazlewood who doesn't mainly operate in the late 140's but is most definitely capable and has shown rare glimpses of it in the past.

However, I don't think any of these guys apart from maybe Johnson at peak, Pattinson (pre-injury) and Cummins can consistently bowl over 140. Maybe Starc in 4 over stint.
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If seen Starc bowl still touch 150kph after bowling 20 overs.

Lets hope there is a genuine speedster like Lee or Aktar coming soon. Tho think NZ's Fergison could develop to touch 160kph
 
Convict said:
Well from Australia alone you would have these guys who are all capable/have been timed in the high 140s before (note that many bowlers often choose to operate at lower speeds due to being able to have better control).

Johnson
Starc
Cummins
Pattinson
Stanlake
J Richardson
Coulter-Nile (pre his massive injury issues at least)
K Richardson (possibly a bit of a stretch)
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He said 150 AND in the last year.
 
ExpressPacer said:
You're forgetting that Hazlewood who doesn't mainly operate in the late 140's but is most definitely capable and has shown rare glimpses of it in the past.

However, I don't think any of these guys apart from maybe Johnson at peak, Pattinson (pre-injury) and Cummins can consistently bowl over 140. Maybe Starc in 4 over stint.
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Starc is the fastest of them all. Have seen him bowling 150+ days into a test match.
 
Why isn’t this Beaton guy in the squad? He looks good. Would definitely trouble Shehzad and Malik.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Not if they bounce him, honestly reckon Shezhad has ptsd
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He definitely has. I was watching older innings of Shehzad and pull short was actually his strength. His batting stance was more opened and was always looking to attack although he used to play too many dot deliveries even back then.
 
Any videos ? I was more impressed with OShane.

Shame about Beaton's action
 
Oshane Thomas is rapid. Shame there aren't any speed cameras in the CPL this year.
 
Oshane Thomas at this year’s CPL so far @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=141557" target="_blank">Chief Destroyer</a> @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=142670" target="_blank">mak36</a> @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=141390" target="_blank">Ellipsism</a> thoughts ?


https://youtu.be/_W_z_5WIdJ0
 
Ahson8 said:
Oshane Thomas at this year’s CPL so far @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=141557" target="_blank">Chief Destroyer</a> @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=142670" target="_blank">mak36</a> @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=141390" target="_blank">Ellipsism</a> thoughts ?


https://youtu.be/_W_z_5WIdJ0
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Damn Windies of 80s type bowler
 
Ahson8 said:
Oshane Thomas at this year’s CPL so far @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=141557" target="_blank">Chief Destroyer</a> @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=142670" target="_blank">mak36</a> @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=141390" target="_blank">Ellipsism</a> thoughts ?


https://youtu.be/_W_z_5WIdJ0
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Surprised he is not nearer the national set-up yet.

His spell to Gayle and Lewis a couple of matches ago was something else.

He needs to work on his control though- I just hope whoever works with him doesn't curb his natural aggression.
 
Thomas is currently bowling to Malik.

This should be... interesting.
 
Odean Smith finally gets a game for St Lucia Stars and is bowling now.

No speed guns this year though- what a joke.
 
mak36 said:
Odean Smith finally gets a game for St Lucia Stars and is bowling now.

No speed guns this year though- what a joke.
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You know this guy was supposedly clocking over 150 kph in the 2017 CPL, but in the Pakistan series he was bowling in the low 130kph range and was being smashed to all parts.
 
Oshane Thomas currently bowling to Amla and Guptill.

Bowled a brilliant bouncer to Amla, who only just managed to sway out of the way.
 
mak36 said:
Oshane Thomas currently bowling to Amla and Guptill.

Bowled a brilliant bouncer to Amla, who only just managed to sway out of the way.
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Gets Shai Hope with an absolute beauty of a yorker- swung late at a pace.
 
Oshane Thomas is a monster. I have not been more throlled to see a fast bowler in many years. What a sight!
 
Oshane gets a 5fer against England, Joseph bowled well in test series is well.
Romario Shepherd getting wickets in domestic first class competition he also has decent pace.
 
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