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That is just one of the subgroups of autistic disorder. Not all autistics tend to be brilliant. The example of ASD is very poorly placed in this scenario.
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Younis Khan & Hassan Ali were involved in heated exchange in South Africa regarding an ice bath
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That is just one of the subgroups of autistic disorder. Not all autistics tend to be brilliant. The example of ASD is very poorly placed in this scenario.
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He can tell them, why not? He is a world class cricketer and a senior member of the dressing room.
But he cannot try to force them, and nor should he take it so personally when someone doesn't want to.
What should have happened is that Hassan should have listened. But Younis shouldn't have reacted with so much ego when he didn't.
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you are right and I never said that
Shouldn’t matter. It is no longer Younus’ duty to marshal the players and police their discipline.
The authoritarian approach cannot work as a coach - at most can just be tried as captain, nothing more. And we know how long that lasted.
Relief that the “coaching” experiment has come to an end. He’s not cut out to work in well defined perimeter / job descriptions.
Not everyone thinks about / prepares for their cricket the same way. The sport didn’t come easy to Younus but it hardly means he can thump his own regimented approach down on players as a coach. That boat sailed as a captain.
The best thing that could have happened is for his stint to end abruptly as it has - no point loitering about for two years and collecting paycheques, and then complaining about not having had a chance to work. This was bound to fail.
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Erratic and unqualified personalities like Younis, Razzaq, Basit ali, Moyo, Shoaib Akhtar etc should be kept far far away from Pak cricket.
Unfortunately Wasim Khan naively brought these type of liabilities into the fold. It will always end in disaster.
Unfortunately Wasim Khan naively brought these type of liabilities into the fold. It will always end in disaster.
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If that’s the case then can’t fully blame Hassan Ali either.
Younus Khan must know that there is a large community in desis who avoid taking frequent showers especially the cold one. They are scared and tentative of cold water showers.
And this Frigophobia creates a blocker in their brain.
Probably Hassan Ali may have tried to hide his Frigophobia by loud mouthing with coach, and divert conversation into another direction.
Next time, they should tie Hassan Ali with ropes and pour ice cold water buckets on him.
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1. Eases sore and aching muscles
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Plus, he says it can help improve reaction time and explosiveness in future workouts.
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4. Decreases the effect of heat and humidity
Taking an ice bath may decrease the effect of heat and humidity.
“An ice bath prior to a long race in conditions where there is an increase in temperature or humidity can lower core body temperature a few degrees which can lead to improved performance,” explains Gardner.
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It sounds like YK wasn't enjoying the role and recent criticism was getting to him.
He wanted leeway from the PCB regarding when he was to join the bubble and also had a disagreement with Hassan Ali - for him that was enough to walk away from the job.
He wanted leeway from the PCB regarding when he was to join the bubble and also had a disagreement with Hassan Ali - for him that was enough to walk away from the job.
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Isn't this a Hassan Ali issue and if true, shouldn't the PCB support the coaching staff and not the player?
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Imagine the outrage if it was Umar Akmal that had refused to take an ice bath, everyone would’ve sided with YK.
Hassan Ali needs to calm down, some of these players think they can’t be told what to do.
Also, where was Waqar Younis? Why did YK have to approach Hassan Ali?
Where was Misbah? Why didn’t he speak to Hassan Ali?
Hassan Ali needs to calm down, some of these players think they can’t be told what to do.
Also, where was Waqar Younis? Why did YK have to approach Hassan Ali?
Where was Misbah? Why didn’t he speak to Hassan Ali?
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According to a journalist, Younis Khan had a complicated dental problem for which he needed urgent treatment and therefore he requested the PCB to be allowed to join the team late. The PCB refused and YK got offended and resigned.
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Yousaf is doing a good job at the NHPC. No one has reported any issues with Razzaq who is coaching a domestic regional team, has coached in the PSL.
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Its a matter of time. These guys are serisl whiners and will expose their true selves soon. We shouldn't expose youngsters to these toxic personalities long term.
That he is refusing to take an ice bath because it is his personal choice with his body to decide if he wants to take an ice bath or not. It literally has nothing to do with cricket and it is a choice of recovery that some opt for and some don't.
Are you serious?
Yes I quoted it as a general example and not as an example of Younus's behaviour. However, that is also not to say that Younus doesn't suffer from the condition. Autism is a spectrum as I said and there are plenty of people who you could meet and have no idea that they are autistic. As you say, many autistic people are brilliant at certain things, be it academics, sports etc.
Autistic people can also get extremely upset if something isn't done in the exact way they are used to. So it is perfectly possible for an autistic person to get really angry if someone does something which is not what the autistic person wanted or expected.
As I say, I am not saying Younus is autistic but he certainly does have an issue. Only a medical professional would be able to diagnose exactly what that is.
That smile doesn't come cheap.
Priority has to be to make sure the smile is perfect, over joining the pre-tour bubble.
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YK didn't have to approach HA. He waded in of his own accord after hearing about HA's refusal from the team trainer and things escalated from there.
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And we were comparing YK with Dravid
some former players are bullies.. no matter how good they were in their days.. They creates TOXIC environment
some former players are bullies.. no matter how good they were in their days.. They creates TOXIC environment
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Some of our former cricketers feel their limelight going away once young generation starts performing..If some youngster is performing they get jealous ..Any one remembers Shoaib Akhtar after CT 2017.. He used to say its not team efforts but some gifts from Almighty Allah
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This is another episode of the junior/senior culture that exists in Pakistan cricket, where seniors seem to think the juniors are there to have orders barked at them and that they must agree.
I recall a Pakistan tour of England, I was in the team hotel speaking to a few of the younger players when one of the senior players came over and literally threw his dirty kit at one of the junior players and told him to make sure it was sent to the laundry.
I was actually embarrassed for the young guy, but the poor chap didn't say a word as it was probably the norm and what was going on all the time.
I recall a Pakistan tour of England, I was in the team hotel speaking to a few of the younger players when one of the senior players came over and literally threw his dirty kit at one of the junior players and told him to make sure it was sent to the laundry.
I was actually embarrassed for the young guy, but the poor chap didn't say a word as it was probably the norm and what was going on all the time.
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I think when younis was first appointed I literally said “will end in tears”
The guy is genuine ego maniac
Also anyone who follows his career shouldn’t be surprised with the leaking. He did that as a player, always running to Hussaini
It’s best they get rid now
The guy is genuine ego maniac
Also anyone who follows his career shouldn’t be surprised with the leaking. He did that as a player, always running to Hussaini
It’s best they get rid now
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If Hassan Ali had followed the orders that were given to him by the team trainer then none of this would’ve happened. If a player isn’t following instructions then the PCB should just fine them, Hassan Ali should be reprimanded, if he wants to be a part of the team, then do as your told.
Also, YK is only trying to look out for the players, whether Hassan Ali takes an ice bath or not, YK gets nothing from it, he’s only doing it for the players.
If I’m in the Pakistani changing room, and a player like YK comes and tells me to do something, I’m going to do it and I think that’s the same case for most of us here. Maybe Hassan Ali considers himself a legend too now.
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Are you serious?
This is not an optional form of recovery. It is a requirement for all elite athletes who have a contract with the side they represent.
And after going through several injuries for almost close to 2 years Hasan needs to take care of his body as much as possible. It's not his personal choice once he's under contract. YK might have gone overboard in his reaction but Hasan needs to follow the trainers instructions.
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Of course Younis
This is typical desi mindset of shoving down the throat your choice
If you cant convince Hasan about icebath which is not your domain then move on
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This is typical desi bringing up. This is how we are being trained from day 1.
Literally throw up your things to some one else. Never take a responsibility for your actions and If any thing goes wrong blame others
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Thats embarrassing,
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This was the classic dressing room culture in the 90's. Read Akhtars autobiography, the seniors back then would order juniors to stay out of the dressing room so that the seniors could have their own time. Then we have the Salman Butt Shahid Afridi Talat Ali bus episode in 2007.
almost reminds me of roy keane does younis khan 
wasn't there an incident in west indies between afridi and younis about an ice bath as well? i think after the disagreement afridi went out and smashed a 120 odd in quick time in the second innings but we lost....or am i imagining things?
wasn't there an incident in west indies between afridi and younis about an ice bath as well? i think after the disagreement afridi went out and smashed a 120 odd in quick time in the second innings but we lost....or am i imagining things?
Please show me a contract that specifically states "Ice bath's are a requirement".
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But in most modern, professional sporting units, the trainers are responsible for how players train and recover, under the remit of the head coach. If this is the level of professionalism in Pakistan cricket then no wonder your players are continuously injured ,especially someone like Hasan Ali.
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Literally every pro-athlete takes an ice bath to help reduce muscle soreness. No ones going to choose to have an ice bath if it was an optional thing, but they do it because it has benefits.
If Hassan Ali has problems with following the smallest of instructions given to him by the team trainer then how do we expect to listen to the coach or the captain?
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Uff.. These Pakistani ex-cricketers are always on some kind of power trip.
Losing all respect for Younis.
Losing all respect for Younis.
Lol no they all dont.. its always been personal choice. And it will always stay as a personal choice. Younis was acting like a fool here.. nothing new from him.
So a player openly disobey team's orders and you have no problem with it?
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So a player openly disobey team's orders and you have no problem with it?
Team Manager Yasir Malik should not have called Younis Khan, the batting coach.
It's the duty of the Head Coach to resolve such matters.
Younis Khan was out of line with those remarks.
Law and Order would mean that someone doesn't stick their head where it doesn't belong, something Younis Khan has the tendency to do (mad about not getting to select players when his role is to fix our team's disastrous batting).
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Younis Khan speaking on TV:
"First of all we must understand that Hassan Ali is on national duty so any controversy will be a distraction for him - and we shouldnt talk about him; Also whenever you are on tour, such incidents do happen"
"First of all we must understand that Hassan Ali is on national duty so any controversy will be a distraction for him - and we shouldnt talk about him; Also whenever you are on tour, such incidents do happen"
It is doubtful that an ice bath has any benefit.
https://www.healthline.com/health/exercise-fitness/ice-bath-benefits#benefits-of-ice-baths
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Now he'll try to win over his media friends again by his sweet words.
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Some more on this from Younis Khan from same ARY interview:
See, I and PCB had a contract in which it was mentioned that after we part ways, we will not discuss anything on it for the next six months. So, I don’t know whether to disclose the reason behind my resignation but to be very frank, it has nothing to do with the Hasan incident which was leaked despite a contract in place"
“I have good relations with Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan and we often remain in touch on cricket matters. I always try to suggest them on different matters as in the end, it is all about Pakistan’s cricket"
See, I and PCB had a contract in which it was mentioned that after we part ways, we will not discuss anything on it for the next six months. So, I don’t know whether to disclose the reason behind my resignation but to be very frank, it has nothing to do with the Hasan incident which was leaked despite a contract in place"
“I have good relations with Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan and we often remain in touch on cricket matters. I always try to suggest them on different matters as in the end, it is all about Pakistan’s cricket"
It increases your metabolism and smoothes sore muscle
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It does not increase your metabolism. Not significantly enough to notice. That’s a myth
So it does increase your metabolism but not significantly ?
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Let’s just say that the shivering from a cold shower will burn more calories than the effect of some insignificant (to the point where it can not even be measured) increase in metabolism you get from it.
He is an absolute JOKE.
I kept saying it was a travesty that he got away unscathed and rehired after the knife incident but posters on here were defending Younis. He should be charged with assault and never allowed to work anywhere near the PCB again.
Great player but awful attitude.
I kept saying it was a travesty that he got away unscathed and rehired after the knife incident but posters on here were defending Younis. He should be charged with assault and never allowed to work anywhere near the PCB again.
Great player but awful attitude.
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Time to perhaps re evaluate this episode bw Hasan Ali and Younis Khan given that Hasan Ali assaulted a spectator over a minor criticism.
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Possibly. Keep in mind Younis blackmailing the selection committee to be selected for the 2015 WC after Moin had made it clear he wasn’t selecting Younis. Not the most emotionally stable person.
Oh and Younis Khan beat up a fan in 2010 as well.
And are we ignoring Younis threatening a coach with a knife!
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