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After Younis Khan’s resignation as batting coach of the Pakistan side, few days back, it has now been learned that his relationship with the players in the team was far from ideal.

According to sources, Younis was involved in a heated exchange with pacer Hasan Ali after the Twenty20 International (T20I) match against South Africa in Centurion.

Younis had approached Hasan over a matter outside his domain, in the dressing room after the match, but the latter hit back with a strong response which left the former batting coach unhappy. Younis also remained quiet and reserved during the rest of the tour, after the incident.
PCB declined to comment on the matter, when contacted, while Younis was also unavailable to shed some light on the incident.

PCB and Younis, on June 22, mutually agreed to part ways. A dental treatment and strained relationship between Younis Khan and the top PCB officials was the reason behind the former’s resignation as the batting coach of the Men in Green.

Younis was also accused of leaking team lineups to his friends in media before matches.

Younis was appointed last year in November on a two-year contract until the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2022.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...d-in-heated-exchange-during-south-africa-tour

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Lahore: (Dunya News) The motives of Younis Khan's resignation came to light. Younis Khan's quarrel with Hassan Ali over not taking ice bath led to his resignation.

According to sources, Hassan Ali refused to take an ice bath during his visit to South Africa. Younis Khan scolded Hassan Ali on the complaint of trainer Yasir Malik.

Younis Khan lost his temper over Hassan Ali's refusal. Waqar Younis tried to reconcile but Younis refused.

Younis Khan was isolated in Zimbabwe after the incident. Team manager Mansoor Rana hid the incident in the manager's report to the PCB on his return home.
 
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These things always get blown way out of proportion in asia lol
 
One thing this incident does show is that the dressing room in Pakistan Cricket is not a supportive environment, in fact, it is a dangerous environment.

Imagine being a youngster newly introduced to the team and watching players and staff members fight with each other.

This is actually a series of incidents, which have shockingly shown us that the PCB is unable to maintain decorum inside perhaps the most important place in a cricket game.

Go back to New Zealand, and you'll see Imad Wasim and Shadab Khan having verbal exchanges with one another, and Hafeez interjecting to figure out what exactly went wrong.

Go to 2020 England where Haris Rauf conceded a six and had a heated verbal exchange with Babar Azam.

Even recently, Babar Azam expressed his disappointment over the selection of players in the South Africa tour, and it's clear that Babar, Misbah, and Mohammad Wasim don't see eye to eye.

2019 Australia, Asif Ali tries to go for a six and miscues it and receives verbal lashing from Babar Azam on the pitch at that very moment.

You can look at the entire season of Quetta Gladiators, where Sarfaraz Ahmed violently yelled at his bowlers and fielders when they made mistakes, a toxic environment for growth.

You can look at the Shaheen Shah Afridi vs Sarfaraz Ahmed altercation, along with the Iftikhar Ahmed vs Mohammad Amir one as well.

The point I'm trying to make is that maybe this is why our team is in such shambles, it's not the lack of options, but it's how poison is killing the system from inside. You can keep decorating the team by finding new, younger, faster, stronger players, but until you get rid of this toxicity, you won't see any improvement.

When a player on another team drops a catch, the bowler is entitled to show a response of disappointment, but you see the captain encouraging the player, and trying to motivate the player. In Pakistan, you see the entire team hold their heads, and I've seen our bowlers say things to the player in question multiple times.

India lost the WTC Final, but they walked off as a team, they displayed professionalism, and furthermore, you don't hear these types of things from any other team because the media is told to back off from these matters.

It is disappointing, but the truth is that our entire cricketing structure is in a deplorable state. The fact that we are still somehow winning games is questionable.

It only takes a good management setup, good team environment, and motivation to turn an average cricketer into a world-class one.

If any other top nation got someone like Shaheen Shah Afridi, you'd see him as a far better bowler than he is right now playing for Pakistan, and that is a fact.

Player development is crucial, but so is good management, of which we have neither.
 
Hasan might be wrong, but are bowlers under Younus's care? Where was Waqar Younis?

If the fitness trainer spoke to Younis then Younis should have informed either Misbah or Waqar. But instead meddled with others work? That was always going to lead to a clash.

Seems like a Pakistani issue people or institutions not working in their domain and meddling with other issues.
 
Seems that Pakistan media not that great friends with Younis - normally PCB gets backlash in these cases but some of the reports seem to be putting PCB in a good light!
 
If true than poor from Younis and he always had the tendency to extend out of his domain as I mentioned in another thread. Also never expected leaking of playing XIs and information from someone like Younis.

If all this is true, its good that both the parties parted their ways. Would have loved to see Younis with junior and domestic teams but, I am not so sure anymore. Younis ofcouse was a legendary batsmen but, he definitely needs some introspection before he can deliver optimally in any coaching capacity and its really unfortunate that over the years some of his weaknesses related to communication and people management are still there.
 
Typical younis poking his nose in matters that don't concern him , he has no business with regards to fitness or the bowling his job was the batting and the youngsters kept failing under his guidance and neither did he have any beneficial input for them.

I'm glad he's gone
 
Typical younis poking his nose in matters that don't concern him , he has no business with regards to fitness or the bowling his job was the batting and the youngsters kept failing under his guidance and neither did he have any beneficial input for them.

I'm glad he's gone

The non-development of Haider Ali is his biggest failure. With other youngsters/newbies he didnt have that much time.

Also always found it strange that he kept mentioning that he is only there to motivate the batsmen. You'd expect a batting specialist to form strategies and help players with their weaknesses in certain conditions (temporary hacks to counter bounce/swing).

Also one of the few that did improve their batting credited Mohammad Yousuf for their better performances. Faheem Ashraf for example.
 
I'm fairly certain the entire incident is blown out of proportion. Yes, Younis is a difficult personality but these Bob Woodwards of the media are renowned for exaggerating and blowing things out of proportion.
 
I'm fairly certain the entire incident is blown out of proportion. Yes, Younis is a difficult personality but these Bob Woodwards of the media are renowned for exaggerating and blowing things out of proportion.

That's true, but YK has a history of taking the smallest of things to the heart. Wouldn't surprise me if he felt that the YK was disrespected here by some Hasan Ali. The PCB probably didn't respond either.
 
One thing this incident does show is that the dressing room in Pakistan Cricket is not a supportive environment, in fact, it is a dangerous environment.

Imagine being a youngster newly introduced to the team and watching players and staff members fight with each other.

This is actually a series of incidents, which have shockingly shown us that the PCB is unable to maintain decorum inside perhaps the most important place in a cricket game.

Go back to New Zealand, and you'll see Imad Wasim and Shadab Khan having verbal exchanges with one another, and Hafeez interjecting to figure out what exactly went wrong.

Go to 2020 England where Haris Rauf conceded a six and had a heated verbal exchange with Babar Azam.

Even recently, Babar Azam expressed his disappointment over the selection of players in the South Africa tour, and it's clear that Babar, Misbah, and Mohammad Wasim don't see eye to eye.

2019 Australia, Asif Ali tries to go for a six and miscues it and receives verbal lashing from Babar Azam on the pitch at that very moment.

You can look at the entire season of Quetta Gladiators, where Sarfaraz Ahmed violently yelled at his bowlers and fielders when they made mistakes, a toxic environment for growth.

You can look at the Shaheen Shah Afridi vs Sarfaraz Ahmed altercation, along with the Iftikhar Ahmed vs Mohammad Amir one as well.

The point I'm trying to make is that maybe this is why our team is in such shambles, it's not the lack of options, but it's how poison is killing the system from inside. You can keep decorating the team by finding new, younger, faster, stronger players, but until you get rid of this toxicity, you won't see any improvement.

When a player on another team drops a catch, the bowler is entitled to show a response of disappointment, but you see the captain encouraging the player, and trying to motivate the player. In Pakistan, you see the entire team hold their heads, and I've seen our bowlers say things to the player in question multiple times.

India lost the WTC Final, but they walked off as a team, they displayed professionalism, and furthermore, you don't hear these types of things from any other team because the media is told to back off from these matters.

It is disappointing, but the truth is that our entire cricketing structure is in a deplorable state. The fact that we are still somehow winning games is questionable.

It only takes a good management setup, good team environment, and motivation to turn an average cricketer into a world-class one.

If any other top nation got someone like Shaheen Shah Afridi, you'd see him as a far better bowler than he is right now playing for Pakistan, and that is a fact.

Player development is crucial, but so is good management, of which we have neither.

POTW.

If the underlying anger can be channeled into something more productive like fitness and skill development, then the team can truly progress.
 
Feels more like kids squabbling in primary school than a professional outfit.
 
That's true, but YK has a history of taking the smallest of things to the heart. Wouldn't surprise me if he felt that the YK was disrespected here by some Hasan Ali. The PCB probably didn't respond either.

Point is he's gone, and at the end of the day none of this stuff matters. This kind of rumor and innuendo that isn't even verified by anyone credible smacks of gossip columinist/masala journalism. Though knowing some of our cricket journalists even that is a major compliment
 
Beta thande pani se nahalo , nahi me nhi nahaonga , beta tu team se bara hogaya hai kia Jo baat nhi man raha meri , aik bar boldia na k nhi nahaonga to nhi nahaonga ja dafa hojao , younis khan resigns.
 
According to sources, Hassan Ali refused to take an ice bath during his visit to South Africa. Younis Khan scolded Hassan Ali on the complaint of trainer Yasir Malik.

Younis Khan lost his temper over Hassan Ali's refusal. Waqar Younis tried to reconcile but Younis refused.

Absolutely ridiculous if true.

What would the ice bath have to do with YK anyway.
 
lol it is up to Hasan Ali to decide if Hasan Ali wants to take a ice bath. It's not something every player does and I have no idea why Younis thinks he needs to take it upon himself to force Hasan Ali into it. And frankly, does anyone trust any PCB medical or training staff? Hasan Ali literally hurt himself because they tried to make him do heavier weights than he should be derailed his career. Hasan Ali knows his body quite well and if he believes it's something he needs or doesn't need, he can decide it for himself. It's mind-boggling something trivial like that would be forced upon him.

Younis has always been a diva and continues to be a childish baby whenever he doesn't get his way.
 
According to sources, Hassan Ali refused to take an ice bath during his visit to South Africa. Younis Khan scolded Hassan Ali on the complaint of trainer Yasir Malik.

Younis Khan lost his temper over Hassan Ali's refusal. Waqar Younis tried to reconcile but Younis refused.

Absolutely ridiculous if true.

What would the ice bath have to do with YK anyway.

According to sources, YK told Hasan Ali "Tera Baap bhi Ice Bath le ga" to which Hasan Ali took the comment personally and started giving it back in kind. Shaheen Afridi quickly ran to WY's room and told him to intervene before some serious Hatam Pai takes place and when WY intervened YK started complaining about how he is Pakistan's best test batsman and he is not being given the respect he deserves from the players.

YK needs to be told in order to get respect he must show respect himself.
 
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The non-development of Haider Ali is his biggest failure. With other youngsters/newbies he didnt have that much time.

Also always found it strange that he kept mentioning that he is only there to motivate the batsmen. You'd expect a batting specialist to form strategies and help players with their weaknesses in certain conditions (temporary hacks to counter bounce/swing).

Also one of the few that did improve their batting credited Mohammad Yousuf for their better performances. Faheem Ashraf for example.

Unfair to blame Haider Ali's failings on YK. Haider Ali i assume has now had the oppoturtunity to work with YK in the national team, Yousaf at the NHPC and Inzi with Peshawar Zalmi. It is quite clear the problem is not the coaches but him. A lot of youngsters will jump and make most of the opportunity to work with these 3 legends.
 
Is it a school hostel or something? Trainers and coaches are there to facilitate players to achieve their optimal potential and perform as per team requirements, not to force things down their throats let alone batting coach jumping in on the issue of ice bath for a pacer.

Yes trainer should give an option but, It is any player’s personal choice whether he wants to take an ice bath or not and to be honest even with regards to different trainings it should be choice of individual players how they want to go about it and improving their weak points after their general drills and sessions of course. As far as they are passing their fitness tests, following schedules, maintaining their discipline and delivering for the national team there is no need to jump in on everything.

I am pretty sure at this stage of his career Hassan Ali knows how to handle his body. Yes its a team game but, its dependent upon individual units with different needs and requirements. As the team sports have become more professional over the years the delegation of power and responsibility has gone towards individuals as well and thats something some of Pak ex players turned coaches need to understand. Their job is to make things easy for players and facilitate them with analysis, “recommend” drills, “recommend” trainings and any way they can to achieve their maximum potential.

I am pretty sure Younis could have analyzed batting issues of some of the batsmen in the mean time rather than worrying about Hassan’s ice bath.
 
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According to sources, YK told Hasan Ali "Tera Baap bhi Ice Bath le ga" to which Hasan Ali took the comment personally and started giving it back in kind. Shaheen Afridi quickly ran to WY's room and told him to intervene before some serious Hatam Pai takes place and when WY intervened YK started complaining about how he is Pakistan's best test batsman and he is not being given the respect he deserves from the players.

YK needs to be told in order to get respect he must show respect himself.

‘Tera Bhaap bhi ice bath le ga’

Lol, you got to hand it to these Pakistanis and their patter.
 
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Just when you start thinking that Pakistan Cricket is becoming rather mature, professional and sensible.

Pakistan cricket......never change :)
 
According to sources, YK told Hasan Ali "Tera Baap bhi Ice Bath le ga" to which Hasan Ali took the comment personally and started giving it back in kind. Shaheen Afridi quickly ran to WY's room and told him to intervene before some serious Hatam Pai takes place and when WY intervened YK started complaining about how he is Pakistan's best test batsman and he is not being given the respect he deserves from the players.

YK needs to be told in order to get respect he must show respect himself.

If this source is true then this is entirely YK’s fault. You can’t demean someone then get offended when they reply in kind.
 
According to sources, YK told Hasan Ali "Tera Baap bhi Ice Bath le ga" to which Hasan Ali took the comment personally and started giving it back in kind. Shaheen Afridi quickly ran to WY's room and told him to intervene before some serious Hatam Pai takes place and when WY intervened YK started complaining about how he is Pakistan's best test batsman and he is not being given the respect he deserves from the players.

YK needs to be told in order to get respect he must show respect himself.

Yes I have heard that is what YK said to Hassan.
 
😂😂 Hilarious if YK protested with the PCB over this episode along with many other complaints ie being unhappy with the team selection, growing importance of Yousaf at the NHPC and working with the national team.

There must be a reason why WK was happy to show him the door. Even WK must think that ex Pakistani players are tools of the highest order.

I have heard that YK is generally a nice tolerant guy but my God when he loses it, just Hide
 
PCB should start a paid live stream from PCT dressing room. I am sure they will overtake BCCI financial muscle within a short period of time.
 
Lol some reporters are also reporting that YK got offended that the PCB refused to fund a dental treatment for him
 
I don't care how senior the coach is, language such as this should not be used.

I'm not surprised that Hassan responded.
 
If Younis Khan is involved in things like this, it should not be a news.

Personality wise , in coaching staff, current or recent , my favorite person is Mushy, always calm , soft spoken and very professional . Younis khan is totally opposite.
 
According to sources, Hassan Ali refused to take an ice bath during his visit to South Africa. Younis Khan scolded Hassan Ali on the complaint of trainer Yasir Malik.

Younis Khan lost his temper over Hassan Ali's refusal. Waqar Younis tried to reconcile but Younis refused.

Absolutely ridiculous if true.

What would the ice bath have to do with YK anyway.

Why Is YK the batting coach arguing with players on issues not part of his job description
 
Yes I have heard that is what YK said to Hassan.

It shows the pathetic level we operate at. NZ won the WC with intelligent players playing to their optimum, we have thick players arguing with even thicker coaches over ice baths.
 
I don't care how senior the coach is, language such as this should not be used.

I'm not surprised that Hassan responded.

If this was the language used, then anyone in Hasan's position would have responded. You might be Younus Khan but you have no right to use that sort of condescending and rude language towards anyone, let alone against an international cricketer.

Younus is, and has always been, mentally unstable. That's not taking a shot at him, but it is simply acknowledging the fact that the man needs help. Unfortunately in Pakistan, and indeed in much of the world, if someone can speak, read and write, then it is believed that that person is not disabled. This leads to mental disability going undiagnosed, with relatives brushing it off as the person just being hot headed.
 
Some bizarre allegations

Another reporter is like the PCB was unhappy with YK not reporting to the biosecure bubble in time and they were also not happy, impressed with his excuse that he was getting a dental treatment due to which he got delayed
 
The PCB raison detre for hiring is to silence them. So any loser that shouts loudly is a given a job, for which they don't have the requisite man management skills needed to succeed.
 
Amazon must do the next behind the scenes documentary on the Pakistan cricket team. It would be far more interesting one than the dull Aussie one!
 
Not sure why YK, the batting coach, was telling Hassan Ali who is primarily a bowler what to do?
 
Let's face it, it was a question of when not if that Younis would blow a fuse in the job.
 
Not sure why YK, the batting coach, was telling Hassan Ali who is primarily a bowler what to do?

Well it seems the trainer asked Hassan and then he asked YK to get involved.
 
Some lessons here for PCB too, in terms of who they appoint as coaching staff in future.
 

He referred to himself in 3rd person multiple times in that second clip. Summarizes pretty well the level of ego & narcissism he has.

If his performances were a lot more like Akmal, his career would have ended so soon with all his antics.

Also, pretty hilarious in the first clip that he refers to himself as an aggressive player and "four years younger" than Misbah. Comical.
 
This is a simple case of not following team discipline by Hassan Ali. He was supposed to take ice bath but he rejected it. The trainer complained to YK that Hassan Ali is not following team orders so YK asked Hassan Ali to follow the team orders. But Hassan Ali rejected YK too. This make YK angry and the quarrel occurred.

Ideally Waqar Younis as bowling coach should have said it to Hassan Ali. It is not clear that if team trainer went to Waqar Younis first to complain about Hassan Ali and when Waqar Younis did not care about it then team trainer complain to YK. Or team trainer complain to the 1st coach he met and it was YK.

In any way the main culprit is Hassan Ali. He should follow the fitness regime. This looks bad on him.
 
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After seeing all his videos from playing days, question should be asked why did PCB allow him anywhere near the team?
 
After seeing all his videos from playing days, question should be asked why did PCB allow him anywhere near the team?

This!
Younus Khan is not a people’s person.
Mater of fact, who actually is in our PCB adminship?
Not a single one.

And then they are given a herd of sheep to handle in an open pasture.

Many players have the deyhaati mindset. They don’t have the foggiest of ideas as to what professionalism actually is? And we expect them to handle a little fame n money. lol what a comedy.

Those little known Australian club cricketers in the BBL are a 100% better streamlined professionals with their work, duties, responsibilities and in following the processes and protocols.
 
This is a simple case of not following team discipline by Hassan Ali. He was supposed to take ice bath but he rejected it. The trainer complained to YK that Hassan Ali is not following team orders so YK asked Hassan Ali to follow the team orders. But Hassan Ali rejected YK too. This make YK angry and the quarrel occurred.

Ideally Waqar Younis as bowling coach should have said it to Hassan Ali. It is not clear that if team trainer went to Waqar Younis first to complain about Hassan Ali and when Waqar Younis did not care about it then team trainer complain to YK. Or team trainer complain to the 1st coach he met and it was YK.

In any way the main culprit is Hassan Ali. He should follow the fitness regime. This looks bad on him.

Hasan Ali isn't the person to blame in this situation at all. Younis Khan is a batting coach, his job is to deal with the batsmen of the team.

We don't know the full details yet, but I'm pretty sure it's Waqar Younis's job to deal with the bowlers.

A trainer can only advise and recommend a type of training, it's up to the player to actually do it.

Until we get a reason as to why Hasan Ali did not want to take an ice bath, we won't know for sure, but for someone at the age of YK, to argue with and insult team members just doesn't look good.
 
This is not the reason for Younis’ resignation. The media is working overtime to distract us from the incompetence of the PCB
 
Hassan Ali has terrible attitude and Younis is egoistic. No wonder.

Both are extremely unlikable characters.
 
Further reports from sources indicate that after the row Hassan Ali agreed to apologise on Waqar Younis' intervention but Younis Khan locked himself in a room and declined to talk to Hassan or accept that apology.
 
Younis Khan shld be banned from taking any post with PCB. don't care how straight forward you are but if u cannot manage a group of 15-20 individuals, thts a brutal shame on you. if he hasn't learnt it to date, shame on him

Pakistani cricketers are not easy to handle but there is always a balance between love/hate, force/relaxation

younis khan has serious attitude problem and he shld NOT be anywhere close to any PCB program

he can sulk sitting at home thinking how great he is ...
 
No wonder the players revolted against this idiot. Thank god he has retired.

His habit of abusing and getting angry for the silliest issues still exists.

It also shows he was never captain material and the likes of afridi and yousuf did the right thing by having him removed from captain
 
Hassan Ali has terrible attitude and Younis is egoistic. No wonder.

Both are extremely unlikable characters.

? So you are saying that hassan ali should had followed what younis said because younis is a legend and a senior?

Hassan ali stood his ground. 1. Its not younis khans domain to tell him what to do. He is not eben the head coach of the team.

2. He got personal, offcourse hassan ali would respond back to him
 
Who was wrong? Hasan Ali or Younis?

I guess it all depends on what else has been said and by whom and whether there was another incident, or something brewing before this fight.

At the moment as things stand, YK is not coming out of this very well.
 
Further reports from sources indicate that after the row Hassan Ali agreed to apologise on Waqar Younis' intervention but Younis Khan locked himself in a room and declined to talk to Hassan or accept that apology.

Lol. Roothna to the limit!:smith
 
? So you are saying that hassan ali should had followed what younis said because younis is a legend and a senior?

Hassan ali stood his ground. 1. Its not younis khans domain to tell him what to do. He is not eben the head coach of the team.

2. He got personal, offcourse hassan ali would respond back to him

It is not black and white. There is a difference between obeying someone, standing your ground and doing badtameezi.

We have seen enough of Hassan Ali over the years to conclude that he has an attitude problem. He is a typical “shoda”. He is not a decent and well-mannered individual.

So I have no hard time believing that Younis may have crossed the line, but Hassan Ali must also have said something in response that he shouldn’t have.

Again, there is a difference between being meek and being confrontational. Some people cannot respect that difference.
 
If the requirement was to take an ice bath after the game, then Hasan Ali should have. Not sure why Younis Khan got involved in this matter. Besides, you can't have these requirements for one tour and then apply some new set of rules for the next one. We need to be consistent with all these fitness requirements and post game recovery methods.
 
What business does Younis Khan have telling fast bowlers to condition their bodies in according to his batting expertise?
 
Younus is, and has always been, mentally unstable. That's not taking a shot at him, but it is simply acknowledging the fact that the man needs help. Unfortunately in Pakistan, and indeed in much of the world, if someone can speak, read and write, then it is believed that that person is not disabled. This leads to mental disability going undiagnosed, with relatives brushing it off as the person just being hot headed.

Hmm...there could be something to this.
 
Hmm...there could be something to this.


Yep, I am certain that mental disability goes undiagnosed is much of the world. Take autism for example. It is a spectrum which means that many people with the condition can read, write and speak. In the subcontinent, an autistic person such as this is very unlikely to ever be diagnosed. In many cases the family will just say, oh lets get him or her married off quickly and they will mend their ways once settled down.
 
Yep, I am certain that mental disability goes undiagnosed is much of the world. Take autism for example. It is a spectrum which means that many people with the condition can read, write and speak. In the subcontinent, an autistic person such as this is very unlikely to ever be diagnosed. In many cases the family will just say, oh lets get him or her married off quickly and they will mend their ways once settled down.

I hope you quoted Autism as a general example. Not as an example for Younis behaviour. The married off casesa re for other disorders, not for autism as autism doesn't hide itself and manifest through anger.

I know of Autistic kids from my school who were brilliant academically, just lacking coordination in some
aspects and dependent upon a shadow helper
 
Well why did the trainer complain to Younis instead of Misbah, Waqar or the team manager?
Younis shouldn't have put his nose where it didn't belong but he has a legit big nose (literally).

Maintaining the decorum and discipline is Team Manager and Head Coach's job. If both were absent then Waqar should have been the one to intervene.

And why did the team manager not mention this incident in his tour report? Is he even doing his job?

Hassan should also need to let go of these tantrums (if he was supposed to take a bath, then he should have had done so). He has already taken a humble pie in a form of his ouster from the team from 2019-21. And right after overcoming the tough period of rehab and ignominy, he starts doing attitude stunts again.

All in all, our dressing room, management, selectors, every thing in the board looks messed up.
 
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