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Younis Khan vs Virat Kohli (Test Comparison)

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Both are legends of the game and for their country. Both shared ad era and at one point their careers did overlap.
Both batted at key no. 3 and 4 positions.

Younis Khan

118 Tests
10,099 Runs
52.05 Average
34 Hundreds
33 Fifties

Virat Kohli

123 Tests
9,230 Runs
46.85 Average
30 Hundreds
31 Fifties

Who was the better Test player in your view?
 
Really good comparison this.

Both were absolute beasts of the game in test cricket.

YK is the clear winner here. I just wish he was equally good at chasing. I remember a game or two where he bottled in a tense chase against the Aussies.
 
YK stomps, only rubbish Indian posters who live in lala land will pull up some metrics for kohli being superior in test cricket.

However yes in terms of legacy, as well as status in odi and t20 cricket kohli stomps
 
No comparison whatsoever.

Only deluded Indian fans have the audacity to compare a 46 averaging batsman with a 50+ averaging batsman.

India fans try to downplay Younis by chest-thumping over Kohli’s SENA record but funnily enough, South Africa is the only SENA country where Kohli has done better than Younis.

Younis retired nearly a decade ago, but even today he will probably be better vs spin than Kohli.
 
When you score less than 10k runs at a less than 47 average after 123 Tests while playing at number 4 which is the easiest position to bat in Test cricket, your fans are left with no choice but to play the “you cannot judge his impact by numbers” card.

I have a lot of respect for Kohli the Test captain and I feel he is under-appreciated even by some Indian fans. He has a strong case of being considered as the finest Asian Test captain ever, but as a Test batsman, he is arguably the biggest fraud in the history of this format given his stature & reputation.

Out of the 15 years of Test cricket that he has played, he has basically been a nothing batsman for 10 years.

He was nothing special from 2011 to 2014 and a completely clown from 2020 until his retirement.
 
mominsaigol said:
only rubbish Indian posters who live in lala land will pull up some metrics for kohli being superior in test cricket.
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A cricket journalist from my country Bangladesh just said "Virat Kohli is the ambassador of test cricket" in our most read newspaper just few moments ago.
 
Kohli is better in Australia and South Africa while Younis is better in Asia.

You can pick either in England or NZ and they will produce similar output.
 
no comparision, its like comparing azhar ali to sehwag cos the former had a few years average 60 odd. kohli is a white ball goat, but over his career hes an ok red ball player who had an amazing purple patch.
 
There should only be just 2 reasons to call a player a great if they don't end up with 10 K runs and/or have an average of less than 50.

1. If they average like Don Bradman
2. If they open the batting

Virat was neither. His record is comparable to VVS Laxman in Tests. He did have a great purple patch between 2013 - 2019 where he averaged 59 with 23 hundreds in 64 Tests. Either side of that purple patch he was good to mediocre. He was a great Test captain for India but just a good test batter. His last 6 years in Tests tarnished his legacy as a batter in the format.

I like Virat, he did a lot for Indian Test cricket but as a batter he should not be anywhere near any great of the game. Younis is far ahead as a batter in Tests to Virat. Virat is a GOAT LOI batter but just a good test batter.
 
giri26 said:
There should only be just 2 reasons to call a player a great if they don't end up with 10 K runs and/or have an average of less than 50.

1. If they average like Don Bradman
2. If they open the batting

Virat was neither. His record is comparable to VVS Laxman in Tests. He did have a great purple patch between 2013 - 2019 where he averaged 59 with 23 hundreds in 64 Tests. Either side of that purple patch he was good to mediocre. He was a great Test captain for India but just a good test batter. His last 6 years in Tests tarnished his legacy as a batter in the format.

I like Virat, he did a lot for Indian Test cricket but as a batter he should not be anywhere near any great of the game. Younis is far ahead as a batter in Tests to Virat. Virat is a GOAT LOI batter but just a good test batter.
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You contradicted yourself.

You claimed their only 2 reason to call a player great if they don't end up with a 50 avg and are at less then 10K runs.

1) Be like Bradman
2) If they open the batting.

Bradman avg 99? So he automatically doesn't fit the criteria of less then 50 lol. Secondly Bradman has the most amount of runs all time when you compare the no of games he's played.

No batter has 6996 runs in 52 test games, that's a record based of the no of games he's actually played in and to top it off he has over 28,000 FC runs and this was in an era where fc was more commonly played then International.

As for opening, their dozens of test openers who avg 50+, Hayden, Sunny etc etc. So not really an excuse, but yes Opening is the hardest position to play in test cricket.
 
With Kohli's retirement, 1 thing has been established that Younis had a better test career than Kohli... No??
 
mominsaigol said:
You contradicted yourself.

You claimed their only 2 reason to call a player great if they don't end up with a 50 avg and are at less then 10K runs.

1) Be like Bradman
2) If they open the batting.

Bradman avg 99? So he automatically doesn't fit the criteria of less then 50 lol. Secondly Bradman has the most amount of runs all time when you compare the no of games he's played.

No batter has 6996 runs in 52 test games, that's a record based of the no of games he's actually played in and to top it off he has over 28,000 FC runs and this was in an era where fc was more commonly played then International.

As for opening, their dozens of test openers who avg 50+, Hayden, Sunny etc etc. So not really an excuse, but yes Opening is the hardest position to play in test cricket.
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Let me clarify my statement, I meant if you haven't scored 10 K runs after playing for 15 years, you at least have a higher average. Virat Kohli neither scored 10k + runs nor did he average 50+. He failed on both counts. He had enough opportunity to do so. 123 Tests isn't a small number. Batters who are considered greats of the game achieved 10K runs in fewer Tests than Virat. Virat lost his desire to play Test cricket in 2020/21. I know that he left the Australian tour midway for the birth of his child, fair enough as he should but since then his career nosedived.

I would call Graeme Smith a great even though his record is similar to Virat's because he was an opener and opening in SA is tough. I would also rate A Cook higher than Virat because he has 12K runs as an opener at an average of 45. Those are the openers I am talking about. Openers from some countries find it harder to average 50+ in Tests because of the pitches the bat on. No offence to Hayden but he played in a era where Australian pitches were the flattest and he struggled to score runs in SA, England and NZ but was very good against spin.

Bradman might have scored 6996 runs but normally people don't look at how many Tests a player played unless he has a record like Bradman. The runs or the average is all that matters. If you ask someone how many Tests Border played or Lara played etc, people, even their fans will not be able to tell you but they all know that they scored 10K + runs and averaged 50+. Virat did not achieve either. Even though Mahela Jayawardane did not average 50, his 11K runs puts him ahead of Virat.

Either you score a lot of runs at a good average or you have a very high average. If you don't have either, you can still be a good player but not a great. Virat falls into Azhar & Laxman category for India, does not fall into Sachin, Gavaskar & Dravid category unfortunately. If Virat had retired with 9200 runs at an average of 50+, i will have no issues calling him a great and considering how good a test captain he was, I would have put him ahead of Younis. People said Sachin Tendulkar who scored almost 16K runs at 53.78 underachieved, not sure what they will call Virat. But again Virat fans are calling him a martyr on social media. Virat has been struggling for 6 years and he should have retired the day he lost his captaincy. He brought nothing to the Test team after his captaincy stint.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Agreed... Indians might not like this but I think this makes sense... Kohli was not a great Test batter like these guys you mentioned...
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Any Indian fan with even a little bit of knowledge of the game would not call Virat a great in Tests. The people who are calling him that are either the fan boys who have no knowledge of the game or people who are trying to get some mileage using this retirement announcement.
 
giri26 said:
Any Indian fan with even a little bit of knowledge of the game would not call Virat a great in Tests. The people who are calling him that are either the fan boys who have no knowledge of the game or people who are trying to get some mileage using this retirement announcement.
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As a batter YK is much superior batsman in test. People calling him great is because of the long purple patch and successful captaincy. Just a good batsman and did score some tough runs in tough conditions so he wasn't that bad either.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Agreed... Indians might not like this but I think this makes sense... Kohli was not a great Test batter like these guys you mentioned...
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Kohli is obviously top tier in modern day cricket if one count all form.Only AB De Villiers is above him since Villiers test career along with t20 career was better than Kohli and some might say his Odi too.But rest Fab4 are only better than him in test and not in t20 or Odi.
 
Just go to youtube and watch Virat bat in 2014 - 2018 , in 34 innings he made six double hundreds. Have a look at how he batted against Johnson in the 2014 series.
 
Justcrazy said:
Just go to youtube and watch Virat bat in 2014 - 2018 , in 34 innings he made six double hundreds. Have a look at how he batted against Johnson in the 2014 series.
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Kohli's 2018 is the highlight of his test career, scored in tough conditions and thrived in SEA.
 
During Mohammad Amir’s 2016 England tour, he averaged a lot more than what Kohli averaged during the 2014 series.
 
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Kohli missed the atleast 20 test matches vs pakistan, else he will have average more than 50 .Like shehwag had avg against pak 100.
 
Virat lost interest in Tests from 2019 onwards and there was no will to improve on his flaws. In 2014 after the England tour Virat went out of the way to seek help but during his recent slump which went on for 6 years, there wasn't any attempt to do better. He was done long time ago, this announcement was long time coming. May be Rohit retiring gave him the nudge to do it himself. When he pulled out from the county games he was supposed to play ahead of the 2020/21 series in England, I knew that Virat was done for good from Tests as a batter. The only reason he was still tolerated was because he was still a good Test captain. When he lost his captaincy after the South Africa tour few months later, he should have retired. He just prolonged his career 4 more years which tarnished his legacy as a batter in Tests.
 
Who has the superior record against the best team in the world, Australia ? That should settle the debate.
 
There are stats and then there is impact...years later. kohli isnpite of his relatively poor record will be remembered and Yonusn is already forgotten outside Pakistan...
Just like wasim akram is still heralded but people don't talk about Pollock or every Anderson
 
mominsaigol said:
You contradicted yourself.

You claimed their only 2 reason to call a player great if they don't end up with a 50 avg and are at less then 10K runs.

1) Be like Bradman
2) If they open the batting.

Bradman avg 99? So he automatically doesn't fit the criteria of less then 50 lol. Secondly Bradman has the most amount of runs all time when you compare the no of games he's played.

No batter has 6996 runs in 52 test games, that's a record based of the no of games he's actually played in and to top it off he has over 28,000 FC runs and this was in an era where fc was more commonly played then International.

As for opening, their dozens of test openers who avg 50+, Hayden, Sunny etc etc. So not really an excuse, but yes Opening is the hardest position to play in test cricket.
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Dozens of openers averaging 50+?
Since 1960 only Gavaskar and Hayden have managed to do that.
 
topspin said:
Younis Khan is far superior to Kohli and for me Pakistan's no.1 test batsman of all time.
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Not just for you, he undoubtedly is.

He's the only Pakistani batsmen to avg 50+ and join the 10K club, not to mention score more then 500+ runs in a series something Tendulkar couldn't even achieve.

He has strings of 300+ scores under his belt as well. The only dent on his career is his record in South Africa where granted most Pakistani batsmen are poor but its the only thing that prevents him from reaching smith, dravid, lara and Sachin tier.

Otherwise he's easily one of the best test batsmen of all time.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He is second to Miandad
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With all due respect I disagree. Miandad is considered the best due to his heroics vs India as well as the fact that he was a class apart in odi cricket during his era.

In test he's also played more clutch innings and was called the surgeon for a reason due to his ability of getting Pakistan out of crises situations.

As a test tactician he's much better then Younis but overall Younis Khan is better.

YK was only poor in wi and SA but overall was consistent in every country. And he pretty much made Pakistan damn near unbeatable in UAE.

He's probably the greatest ever batsmen to play in UAE as I cant recall any other batter play in uae better then him. Granted he's played more games in uae then anyone else including SENA and indian batsmen.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He is second to Miandad
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I have to disagree for two reasons.

Firstly, Miandad's average is a little bit inflated because of home umpiring bias. I would disregard it if his stats away from home were decent against Australia and WI but he averaged under 40 against both of them.

He might be Pakistan's best batsman of all time when you combine red and white ball performances together but in test matches alone, I think he's below Younis Khan and slightly overrated.
 
Younis khan is top tier batsman in tests. In asian conditions he can outbat any batsman you can name.

There is personal bias or whatever but for me younis was better than David but below sachin in tests.
 
Hyder said:
Younis khan is top tier batsman in tests. In asian conditions he can outbat any batsman you can name.

There is personal bias or whatever but for me younis was better than David but below sachin in tests.
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Dravid Averages 40+ in every country minus SA where he was poor. YK failed to avg 40+ in 2 countries.

Dravid's peak year is 2002 and 2009 where he avg 100 and 83 respectively.

YK's peak year is 2011 where he avg 85 however he played mostly on home(UAE) soil from 2011-2016

Not to mention dravid bats at 3 while YK bats at 4. 4/5 is the easiest position to bat in test cricket.

YK only has more runs at a lower avg after 118 test games while it took Dravid slightly longer around 122 test matches to reach 10K test runs.
 
mominsaigol said:
Dravid Averages 40+ in every country minus SA where he was poor. YK failed to avg 40+ in 2 countries.

Dravid's peak year is 2002 and 2009 where he avg 100 and 83 respectively.

YK's peak year is 2011 where he avg 85 however he played mostly on home(UAE) soil from 2011-2016

Not to mention dravid bats at 3 while YK bats at 4. 4/5 is the easiest position to bat in test cricket.

YK only has more runs at a lower avg after 118 test games while it took Dravid slightly longer around 122 test matches to reach 10K test runs.
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I dont think any one beat younis in asian conditions. You cant pick a better spin nasher than Younis meanwhile all their other record is comparable. Younis has one of the best 4th inning record. Not to mention he has 34 centuries in almost 40 odd test leds than dravid. He had amazing conversion rates and often used to bat at higher pace as compared to others in the team.

If you are making an asian xi younis makes it ahead of dravid purely on the basis of spin playing ability of younis. His questionable record is west indies where he should ve fared better. In sa he managed 30 plus avg for someone not that good with moving ball
 
Hyder said:
I dont think any one beat younis in asian conditions. You cant pick a better spin nasher than Younis meanwhile all their other record is comparable. Younis has one of the best 4th inning record. Not to mention he has 34 centuries in almost 40 odd test leds than dravid. He had amazing conversion rates and often used to bat at higher pace as compared to others in the team.

If you are making an asian xi younis makes it ahead of dravid purely on the basis of spin playing ability of younis. His questionable record is west indies where he should ve fared better. In sa he managed 30 plus avg for someone not that good with moving ball
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First of understand the difference between no 3 and no 4 in test cricket.

No 4/no 5 is the easiest position to bat in because unless a collapse occurs, a no 4 and no 5 typically comes in when the ball is old and easy to play and new ball hasn't been taken.

Opening, no 3, no 6 and no 7 are far harder positions to bat as a result. The reason why your best + most aggressive batsmen typically bats at no 4 and no 5 in aus's case Steve smith and Travis head and many batters of the past such as YK and Sachin batted at 4

Isn't to baby them but because their the best batsmen in the team, its only fitting to give them an easy number so that they can score the most runs for the team.

The likes of Steve smith have been a nightmare to deal with in ashes thanks to no 4.

In an all time Asian test 11, YK would have to adjust to no 5 and saxhin's spot at no 4 is booked and dravid spot at no 3 is booked.

No 3 is harder because the batter has to be flexible. He has to prepare for opening but also prepare for batting as a no 4 assuming openers see the new ball off.

The fact that the likes of Ponting and Dravid avg more or less the same alongside YK automatically puts them >.

YK is not > Dravid in Asian conditions. He's a beast in UAE and even if dravid played full time in uae, yk would be better simply because YK is 100x > dravid when it comes to spin play.

However dravid is much better then YK in pace and part of the reason why India was so successful during that era is because dravid was even better then Tendulkar at staying on the crease and ensuring a win or a draw for him team.

Sachin was the better bat and by far more punishing to the opposition as a batsmen but dravid was slightly harder to dismiss and allow for the opposition to pick up 10 wickets.

Finally you can't ignore SENA conditons in this era. When a player retires their whole record is checked, Dravid is better then YK in pretty much every oversea conditon with the exception of Australia however that's due to Dravid facing Mcgrath and prime classic aus while YK faced Australia after they retired and classic aus was no more.

Not taking anything away from YK as avg 50 in aus is a big deal and a no Pakistani batter post yk has achieved it. But dravid averages high in games where mcgrath wasnt a factor as well.

YK is infinitely worse in sena conditions then dravid from all fronts. In Asia hes better due to batting at no 4 and bashing spin being his strong suit.

YK is one of the best test batters of all time and I view him > Root as a test batsmen but the likes of dravid, Ponting and a few others are > him with Steve smith and Sachin being a level > That.
 
mominsaigol said:
First of understand the difference between no 3 and no 4 in test cricket.

No 4/no 5 is the easiest position to bat in because unless a collapse occurs, a no 4 and no 5 typically comes in when the ball is old and easy to play and new ball hasn't been taken.

Opening, no 3, no 6 and no 7 are far harder positions to bat as a result. The reason why your best + most aggressive batsmen typically bats at no 4 and no 5 in aus's case Steve smith and Travis head and many batters of the past such as YK and Sachin batted at 4

Isn't to baby them but because their the best batsmen in the team, its only fitting to give them an easy number so that they can score the most runs for the team.

The likes of Steve smith have been a nightmare to deal with in ashes thanks to no 4.

In an all time Asian test 11, YK would have to adjust to no 5 and saxhin's spot at no 4 is booked and dravid spot at no 3 is booked.

No 3 is harder because the batter has to be flexible. He has to prepare for opening but also prepare for batting as a no 4 assuming openers see the new ball off.

The fact that the likes of Ponting and Dravid avg more or less the same alongside YK automatically puts them >.

YK is not > Dravid in Asian conditions. He's a beast in UAE and even if dravid played full time in uae, yk would be better simply because YK is 100x > dravid when it comes to spin play.

However dravid is much better then YK in pace and part of the reason why India was so successful during that era is because dravid was even better then Tendulkar at staying on the crease and ensuring a win or a draw for him team.

Sachin was the better bat and by far more punishing to the opposition as a batsmen but dravid was slightly harder to dismiss and allow for the opposition to pick up 10 wickets.

Finally you can't ignore SENA conditons in this era. When a player retires their whole record is checked, Dravid is better then YK in pretty much every oversea conditon with the exception of Australia however that's due to Dravid facing Mcgrath and prime classic aus while YK faced Australia after they retired and classic aus was no more.

Not taking anything away from YK as avg 50 in aus is a big deal and a no Pakistani batter post yk has achieved it. But dravid averages high in games where mcgrath wasnt a factor as well.

YK is infinitely worse in sena conditions then dravid from all fronts. In Asia hes better due to batting at no 4 and bashing spin being his strong suit.

YK is one of the best test batters of all time and I view him > Root as a test batsmen but the likes of dravid, Ponting and a few others are > him with Steve smith and Sachin being a level > That.
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Younis is the best spin player of all time that i saw play for so long.
Maybe thats how it vould be with dravid at 3 sachin 4 and younis at 5.
But my point is younis was ridiculously good at playing spin and he beats everyone at that dept and he ll sweep spinners with eyes closed whole day.
Younis has had some amazing moments chasing for pakistan and that tilts my preference towards him.
Younis is greatest pakistan test batter too
 
Hyder said:
Younis is the best spin player of all time that i saw play for so long.
Maybe thats how it vould be with dravid at 3 sachin 4 and younis at 5.
But my point is younis was ridiculously good at playing spin and he beats everyone at that dept and he ll sweep spinners with eyes closed whole day.
Younis has had some amazing moments chasing for pakistan and that tilts my preference towards him.
Younis is greatest pakistan test batter too
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Greatest pakistani test batter =/= being > dravid.

Dravid is far superior, and its clear from your comments you havent watched dravid bat. Being better then someone in one aspect or in one country doesnt make you a better player.

Root is far superior to dravid when it comes to playing pace however his conversion rate is god awful. Despite having 13K test runs, hes at 36 runs centuries and nearly double the 50's compared to Smith who has the same number despite playing less tests and only 41 50's showcasing a marvelous conversion rate.

However with that being said Root is close to surpassing dravid. He's one successful ashes away from surpassing him and YK.

YK isnt on Dravid's level. Anyone who will comapre their records will notice dravid having a superior sena record, having more memorable match wins + draws for his team hence his wall status.

To top it off while I do love Younis Khan his stats are a touch inflated due to uae bashing. However he is still > 95% of test batters in history. Only sunny, dravid and Sachin from India surpass him.

The rest are all inferior. From Australia excluding ww2 era only Smith and ponting surpass him and arguably Hayden given his opening status however hayden wasnt that good outside of home either but still > Warner.
 
Hyder said:
I dont think any one beat younis in asian conditions. You cant pick a better spin nasher than Younis meanwhile all their other record is comparable. Younis has one of the best 4th inning record. Not to mention he has 34 centuries in almost 40 odd test leds than dravid. He had amazing conversion rates and often used to bat at higher pace as compared to others in the team.

If you are making an asian xi younis makes it ahead of dravid purely on the basis of spin playing ability of younis. His questionable record is west indies where he should ve fared better. In sa he managed 30 plus avg for someone not that good with moving ball
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There is a coordinated narrative by Indians against Younis Khan and unfortunately some Pakistani fans fall into it. It's hard to withstand the forced opinions of 1 billion Indians.
 
mominsaigol said:
Greatest pakistani test batter =/= being > dravid.

Dravid is far superior, and its clear from your comments you havent watched dravid bat. Being better then someone in one aspect or in one country doesnt make you a better player.

Root is far superior to dravid when it comes to playing pace however his conversion rate is god awful. Despite having 13K test runs, hes at 36 runs centuries and nearly double the 50's compared to Smith who has the same number despite playing less tests and only 41 50's showcasing a marvelous conversion rate.

However with that being said Root is close to surpassing dravid. He's one successful ashes away from surpassing him and YK.

YK isnt on Dravid's level. Anyone who will comapre their records will notice dravid having a superior sena record, having more memorable match wins + draws for his team hence his wall status.

To top it off while I do love Younis Khan his stats are a touch inflated due to uae bashing. However he is still > 95% of test batters in history. Only sunny, dravid and Sachin from India surpass him.

The rest are all inferior. From Australia excluding ww2 era only Smith and ponting surpass him and arguably Hayden given his opening status however hayden wasnt that good outside of home either but still > Warner.
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If u talk about conversion rate and then u dont rate younis higher is shame because havent seen better conversion rate from anyone
 
Younis Khan after playing 50 odd deliveries is one of the best batsmen I have ever seen. As good as anyone who has ever played Test cricket.

However, Younis was also one of the shakiest starters ever, and this was one of the reasons why he failed in ODIs.
 
mominsaigol said:
Dravid Averages 40+ in every country minus SA where he was poor. YK failed to avg 40+ in 2 countries.

Dravid's peak year is 2002 and 2009 where he avg 100 and 83 respectively.

YK's peak year is 2011 where he avg 85 however he played mostly on home(UAE) soil from 2011-2016

Not to mention dravid bats at 3 while YK bats at 4. 4/5 is the easiest position to bat in test cricket.

YK only has more runs at a lower avg after 118 test games while it took Dravid slightly longer around 122 test matches to reach 10K test runs.
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David doesn't average 40+ in Sri Lanka either.
 
Hyder said:
If u talk about conversion rate and then u dont rate younis higher is shame because havent seen better conversion rate from anyone
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Steve smith and Sachin have the best conversion rates post ww2? What are you on about?

Out of his 34 test centuries 11 of them come in uae with another 7 of em coming in Pakistan, 3 in Bangladesh, 3 in Sri Lanka and 3 in india.

That's 27 test centuries in Asia, not to mention 1 freebie given to him in Zimbabwe against a tragic Zimbabwe bowling attack.

His 50's are similar. The reason why he has a high conversion rate is because his rate of scoring in countries like wi, SA, NZ are non existent.
 
mominsaigol said:
Ah ic, YK is defo better in asia no doubt
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Dravid is a fine player too. One of the best I have seen, especially in some tours to England where he was phenomenal and stood head and shoulders above other more celebrated Indian batsmen :sachin

When you get to the level that many of these players achieved are you really are just splitting hairs to see who is better.

Unfortunately for Indians it is difficult to take the emotions out of the analysis and they resort to trying to degrade Pakistani players.

There is no major gap between Younis and Dravid and honestly there is no real gap that elevated Tendulkar to god like status that they have given him over these players too. Most of it is down to emotion and how certain innings made them feel.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Dravid is a fine player too. One of the best I have seen, especially in some tours to England where he was phenomenal and stood head and shoulders above other more celebrated Indian batsmen :sachin

When you get to the level that many of these players achieved are you really are just splitting hairs to see who is better.

Unfortunately for Indians it is difficult to take the emotions out of the analysis and they resort to trying to degrade Pakistani players.

There is no major gap between Younis and Dravid and honestly there is no real gap that elevated Tendulkar to god like status that they have given him over these players too. Most of it is down to emotion and how certain innings made them feel.
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I'm not trying to fan boy India. This is my personal opinion

Steve smith > Tendulkar > Dravid > Younis > Kohli > Laxman in Test.

I dont really have a dog in this fight.

My all time Test 11 would include

1) Jack Hobbs
2) Sunny
3) Bradman
4) Steve Smith

^^ This would be my top 4.
 
mominsaigol said:
I'm not trying to fan boy India. This is my personal opinion

Steve smith > Tendulkar > Dravid > Younis > Kohli > Laxman in Test.

I dont really have a dog in this fight.

My all time Test 11 would include

1) Jack Hobbs
2) Sunny
3) Bradman
4) Steve Smith

^^ This would be my top 4.
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Yeah I wasn't saying you were dw. You are entitled to your opinion.
Was just saying that certain Indian narratives have taking hold online, not that you yourself are peddling them.
 
mominsaigol said:
Steve smith and Sachin have the best conversion rates post ww2? What are you on about?

Out of his 34 test centuries 11 of them come in uae with another 7 of em coming in Pakistan, 3 in Bangladesh, 3 in Sri Lanka and 3 in india.

That's 27 test centuries in Asia, not to mention 1 freebie given to him in Zimbabwe against a tragic Zimbabwe bowling attack.

His 50's are similar. The reason why he has a high conversion rate is because his rate of scoring in countries like wi, SA, NZ are non existent.
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Smith doesnt have better conversion rate than younis as far as i rmr.
Younis has 34/33 ratio
 
Hyder said:
Smith doesnt have better conversion rate than younis as far as i rmr.
Younis has 34/33 ratio
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You didn't even read what I wrote. Anyway this confirms that you're a covid cricket fan. @Rana was correct 🤣🤣.

I love younis but a test batter who has scored 90% of centuries and 50's in asia and has an average record in sena and a non existent conversion rate in sena due to not scoring enough is being compared to smith who has the best conversion rate in all countries and has dominated every country over and over.

Infact its extremely rare for a sena batsmen to dominate in Asian conditions like smith has yet smith is better then YK in every Asian conditons excluding uae as he hasn't played enough their.

Hes better then YK in india lol.
 
mominsaigol said:
You didn't even read what I wrote. Anyway this confirms that you're a covid cricket fan. @Rana was correct 🤣🤣.

I love younis but a test batter who has scored 90% of centuries and 50's in asia and has an average record in sena and a non existent conversion rate in sena due to not scoring enough is being compared to smith who has the best conversion rate in all countries and has dominated every country over and over.

Infact its extremely rare for a sena batsmen to dominate in Asian conditions like smith has yet smith is better then YK in every Asian conditons excluding uae as he hasn't played enough their.

Hes better then YK in india lol.
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Who compared smith and younis. You need neuro sessions as i suggested before. Lol.

Brother u talked about conversion rates so i just pointed out younis has had best conversion rate among these.

Smith is obv far better test batsman than any player we ve seen.

But people downplay younis but oraise dravid more often. But you can't see dravid batted between sehwag and sachin while younis batted with azhar ali ahmad shehzad misbah all of them inferior to sachin and sehwag.

Younis is at par if not better than dravid. Both of them below sachin but above laxman ganguly kohli inzamam
 
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All your answers are always filled with assumptions about other posters when you dont have any more logical words to bring. Always assuming and being happy in that bubble lol. Seriously grow up.
And no he isnt better than younis in india. Younis is the best player of spin we ve seen.
 
Hyder said:
Who compared smith and younis. You need neuro sessions as i suggested before. Lol.

Brother u talked about conversion rates so i just pointed out younis has had best conversion rate among these.

Smith is obv far better test batsman than any player we ve seen.

But people downplay younis but oraise dravid more often. But you can't see dravid batted between sehwag and sachin while younis batted with azhar ali ahmad shehzad misbah all of them inferior to sachin and sehwag.

Younis is at par if not better than dravid. Both of them below sachin but above laxman ganguly kohli inzamam
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Dravid and YK are comparable however Dravid is still ahead due to a superior sena record.

YK is only superior in UAE and Pakistan but that's due to them being home conditons. UAE staff let Misbah do whatever they bloody wanted and hence he curated spin havens.

Pakistan had a massive advantage as a result.

Asad Shafiq has a stellar record in UAE but hes beyond garbage in any other conditon, Pakistan included, Azhar Ali isnt even a 40 avg batter had it not been for UAE exploits same goes for misbah and YK was obviously the best of the lot.

Again not taking away any credit as the current team would get washed in UAE, infact they did under Sarfaraz not to long ago but they played to their strengths.

They had a massive advantage over multiple teams especially SENA teams since sena teams aren't good in spin conditons.

Steve smith is a massive outlier in that hes a rare exception who happens to be one of the greatest players of spin all time same goes for root from England

But besides these 2 their pace bullies and just okay vs spin.

It's easy to not only dominate spin but dominate their spinners as England and Australia havent produced good spinners.

Shane Warne is another outlier but not the norm.

YK didn't exactly bully world class spinners and UAE took pace out of the equation.

The only reason I respect YK more then misbah, Shafiq and azhar is because unlike these 3 baboons, YK wasnt bad vs pace. He was solid in Australia and lobed bounce.

Seam troubled him which explains his lack luster records in sa, nz etc. But he was troubled by raw pace and bounce.

Dravid overall is better when it comes to all countries.

All countries is how you calculate how good a test player is + Conversion rate IN ALL COUNTRIES.

otherwise their dozens of players who have a better conversion rate then smith by this logic, Williamson included.
 
Hyder said:
All your answers are always filled with assumptions about other posters when you dont have any more logical words to bring. Always assuming and being happy in that bubble lol. Seriously grow up.
And no he isnt better than younis in india. Younis is the best player of spin we ve seen.
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And no he isnt better than younis in india. Younis is the best player of spin we ve seen.

Beautiful beautiful argument.
 
mominsaigol said:
And no he isnt better than younis in india. Younis is the best player of spin we ve seen.

Beautiful beautiful argument.
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He isnt better than younis in india. I am not comparing the two but since u said he is better in india i am just reminding that no he isnt.
 
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Hyder said:
He isnt better than younis in india. I am not comparing the two but since u said he is better in india i am just reminding that no he isnt.
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You realise after 6 test games in india both averaged 76. Steve smith avg fell to 50 in the remaining test games?

All 10 of his test games being played on curated spin minefields + significantly better indian bowlers whereas YK faced india at a time when test pitches weren't curated to suit an opposition + he played against a rubbish indian bowling lineup?

I saw those games, misbah averages 100 in india as a result. Most of those games were drawn with both oppositions crossing 500+ on multiple occasions.

Steve Smith's 178 in india is a greater innings then anything YK has ever played in test cricket.

You never watched those games, you havent watched these players live. Its clear as day. You're not fooling anyone.
 
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mominsaigol said:
You realise after 6 test games in india both averaged 76. Steve smith avg fell to 50 in the remaining test games?

All 10 of his test games being played on curated spin minefields + significantly better indian bowlers whereas YK faced india at a time when test pitches weren't curated to suit an opposition + he played against a rubbish indian bowling lineup?

I saw those games, misbah averages 100 in india as a result. Most of those games were drawn with both oppositions crossing 500+ on multiple occasions.

Steve Smith's 178 in india is a greater innings then anything YK has ever played in test cricket.

You never watched those games, you havent watched these players live. Its clear as day. You're not fooling anyone.
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Younis can't play spin cant play pace he managed 10k in fantasy league
He never chased anything
Khush

Have said it multiple times smith is greatest test batter. But you are the one who chose gayle over him to win t20s apparently lol.

You werent able to name a better wk than rizwan u jumped that question. When u werent able to deny younis sup conversion and better spin ability u resorted to 40plus avg in 1 country vs 2 countries.
 
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Hyder said:
Younis can't play spin cant play pace he managed 10k in fantasy league
He never chased anything
Khush

Have said it multiple times smith is greatest test batter. But you are the one who chose gayle over him to win t20s apparently lol.

You werent able to name a better wk than rizwan u jumped that question. When u werent able to deny younis sup conversion and better spin ability u resorted to 40plus avg in 1 country vs 2 countries
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Yeah, Gayle > Smith in t20 obviously.

I already answered for rizwan, you ignored it.

Its not fault you're getting irritated.
 
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Virat himself said that Test cricket is far superior to IPL win or ODI or T20I... when he won the IPL trophy after 18 years and cried like a baby.

HIs performance in Test cricket is abysmal compare to Younis Khan. Misbah, MIandad, Yousuf, INzamam etc...

Hence proved! He is no great shakes in the unlimate format of cricket.... Thanks.
 
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