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Who would make the greatest XI of players you have actually watched a lot of?

for me, it would be

Smith
Hayden
Ponting
Lara
Chanderpaul
Kallis
Flower ( w)
Asif
Akhtar
Muralitharan
Steyn

dont buy into the murali chucker meme, and as far as im concerned asif and akhtar are about the most effective fast bowlers i've seen
 
Ready
1:Gavaskar
2:Hayden
3:Sangakarra
4:Don Bradman
5:Brian Lara
6:Garry Sobers
7:Gilchrist
8:Imran Khan
9:Wasim
10:Warne/Marshall
11:McGrath
 
Ready
1:Gavaskar
2:Hayden
3:Sangakarra
4:Don Bradman
5:Brian Lara
6:Garry Sobers
7:Gilchrist
8:Imran Khan
9:Wasim
10:Warne/Marshall
11:McGrath

i could be wrong but i doubt youre 100 years old mate
 
Gavaskar
Jack hobbs
Bradman
Barry Richards
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
GilChrist
Imran Khan
Malcom Marshal
shane warne
Allan Donald.
 
Hayden
Sehwag
Ponting (c)
Tendulkar
Lara
Kallis
Gilly (wk)
Akram
Warne
Steyn
Mcgrath
 
Smith (c)
Kirsten
Ponting
Lara
Inzamam
Flintoff
Gilchrist
Wasim
Warne
Ambrose
McGrath

I could have pigeon-holed certain unquestionable batting greats of the game into that lineup by shuffling the batting order, however, I made a point of picking the batsmen by strict adherence to the players' specialist positions in the batting order during the course of their respective careers.
 
Best Test XI of players I have watched of

1. Heyden
2. Sehwag
3. Sangakkara
4. Lara
5. SRT
6.Kallis
7. Gilchrist
8. Wasim
9. Warne
10. Waqar
11. McGrath

Tough competition: Number 4 among Sangakkara, Ponting and Pietersen. However, Sanga was more productive and more consistent.

Wasim and Waqar were by far better players than Donald, Pollock, Steyn,etc.

I do not see any better WK batsman than Gilly, I doubt if there was any in all times.

Sehwag edged over Smith because of his ability to score big despite having a minimal footwork.
No questions for SRT and Prince's positions.
Who else was a better all-rounder than Jack Kallis?
Between Warnie and Murali I ignored the latter for his controversial action.
I chose McGrath as third pacer because of his sublime ability to bowl consistently in the right area.

Remember, these are among the batsmen I have seen playing.
 
Smith
Gavaskar
Ponting
SRT
Lara
Kallis
Gilly
McGrath
Steyn
Wasim
Murali

This XI can take on any All time XI and has enough variety.
 
Smith (c)
Kirsten
Ponting
Lara
Inzamam
Flintoff
Gilchrist
Wasim
Warne
Ambrose
McGrath

I could have pigeon-holed certain unquestionable batting greats of the game into that lineup by shuffling the batting order, however, I made a point of picking the batsmen by strict adherence to the players' specialist positions in the batting order during the course of their respective careers.

surprised you have gone have with inzamam if im honest as he was really quite crap. mohammed yousuf is pak's greatest ever player by a long, long way and he would about tie with pietersen for my number 4 spot after lara
 
surprised you have gone have with inzamam if im honest as he was really quite crap. mohammed yousuf is pak's greatest ever player by a long, long way and he would about tie with pietersen for my number 4 spot after lara

Yousuf was no more than a flat track bully, which was the same reason I never thought of picking Hayden. I didn't want to pick Dravid, Sangakkara, Tendulkar or Kallis to bat at 5, it just seemed weird given that they seldom batted in that position. Plus it made selection so much more interesting.
 
Yousuf was no more than a flat track bully, which was the same reason I never thought of picking Hayden. I didn't want to pick Dravid, Sangakkara, Tendulkar and Kallis to bat at 5, it just seemed weird given that they seldom batted in that position. Plus it made selection so much more interesting.

yousuf wasnt a flat track bully at all, he was essentially technically perfect but incredible to watch at the same time, very graceful and pleasing on the eye. watch on youtube his innings in england, inzamam couldnt dream of playing such a knock. inzamam if im honest was the dictionary definition of a flat track bully, and even then it could be argued he relied on help from umpires, yousuf was just so much better than inzamam its not even up for debate
 
yousuf wasnt a flat track bully at all, he was essentially technically perfect but incredible to watch at the same time, very graceful and pleasing on the eye. watch on youtube his innings in england, inzamam couldnt dream of playing such a knock. inzamam if im honest was the dictionary definition of a flat track bully, and even then it could be argued he relied on help from umpires, yousuf was just so much better than inzamam its not even up for debate

Ummm... okay. It's beyond debate Yousuf was the most aesthetically pleasing Pakistani batsman in the last 25 years and had no real technical deficiencies unlike his peers Inzamam or Younis. However, the guy was gutless and invariably buckled under pressure. If you even try to attempt to argue against that, I'll know you're trolling.
 
1. Dravid
2. Hayden
3. Ponting
4. Lara
5. Kallis
6. Imran
7. Gilchrist
8. Warne
9. Wasim
10. Saqlain
11. Marshall
 
However, the guy was gutless and invariably buckled under pressure. .

that statement simply cant be backed up, relatively speaking in terms of pakistani batsmen, yousuf is definitely pak's best ever player. who would you want coming in at 10/2 at headingly? yousuf, younis or inzamam? the answer is obvious
 
As I really started following cricket back in 2007. So here is my (witnessed) greatest TEST XI.
1. A Cook
2. H Amla
3. K Sangakara
4. Younis Khan
5. AB de Villiers
6. MS Dhoni (WK) (C)
7. J Kallis
8. S Ajmal
9. B Lee
10. J Anderson
11. S Akhtar
 
Players I've watched a lot of?

I will give each of them a score out of 100 as well.......

1. Barry Richards 96
2. Sunil Gavaskar 85
3. Kumar Sangakkara (wk) 85
4. Sachin Tendulkar 87
5. Sir Vivian Richards 92
6. Mike Procter 91
7. Imran Khan (capt) 90
8. Malcolm Marshall 96
9. Sir Richard Hadlee 90
10. Wasim Akram 86
11. Shane Warne 94

Of the players in that team, the two best players are Barry Richards and Malcolm Marshall.
 
I regret not finding a place for Jacques Kallis, but I've got 5 ATG fast bowlers

Marshall
Hadlee
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Mike Procter

It came down to two out of Kallis or Procter or Imran.

But Imran got the nod for his captaincy and Procter was a much more devastating bowler than Kallis.
 
Watched a lot of? Okay, interesting. Here is my XI:

1) Smith (c)
2) Cook
3) Amla
4) Sangakkara
5) Younis
6) ABD (wk)
7) Stokes
8) Johnson
9) Steyn
10) Anderson
11) Ajmal
 
Smith
Gavaskar
Ponting
SRT
Lara
Kallis
Gilly
McGrath
Steyn
Wasim
Murali

This XI can take on any All time XI and has enough variety.

I will change Gavaskar with Hayden and Murali with Warne. The rest cannot be debated.
 
Haven't watched a lot of cricket. But I will give it a try to name the best XI I can think off based on my limited knowledge of the game.
Test:
Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Ponting
Lara
Richards
Imran Khan ( C )
Akram
Warne
Hadlee
Marshall
McGrath
12th Man: Sobers
 
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Players I've watched a lot of?

I will give each of them a score out of 100 as well.......

1. Barry Richards 96
2. Sunil Gavaskar 85
3. Kumar Sangakkara (wk) 85
4. Sachin Tendulkar 87
5. Sir Vivian Richards 92
6. Mike Procter 91
7. Imran Khan (capt) 90
8. Malcolm Marshall 96
9. Sir Richard Hadlee 90
10. Wasim Akram 86
11. Shane Warne 94

Of the players in that team, the two best players are Barry Richards and Malcolm Marshall.

Wow you rate Barry Richards higher than Warne!
 
Wow you rate Barry Richards higher than Warne!

Definitely!

Barry Richards is as far ahead of any other batsman that I have watched as Malcolm Marshall is ahead of every other bowler.

Viv Richards is the closest batsman to Barry Richards.

Here is my gift to everyone on this forum. Especially [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] , but also [MENTION=135134]CricketAnalyst[/MENTION] and anyone else who wants to see how Test cricket can feature in the future.

This is short video of the World Test Championship Day/Night Final.

People would have you think it's never happened. It did happen, 39 years ago.

You will see the amazing Barry Richards taking his team to victory in partnership with Imran Khan. Watch the disdain with which he smashes Dennis Lillee about.

Then you will see the greatest ever all-rounder, Sir Garfield Sobers, and the-then greatest ever bowler, Fred Trueman, present Tony Greig with World Supertest Championship trophy.

This video is like gold dust. Treasure it. I do.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Don't you think Sobers is a little overrated as an all-rounder in terms of his bowling? In that it could never win you a game single-handingly like his batting. Also, was Imran a better captain than Chappell?
 
Definitely!

Barry Richards is as far ahead of any other batsman that I have watched as Malcolm Marshall is ahead of every other bowler.

Viv Richards is the closest batsman to Barry Richards.

Here is my gift to everyone on this forum. Especially [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] , but also [MENTION=135134]CricketAnalyst[/MENTION] and anyone else who wants to see how Test cricket can feature in the future.

This is short video of the World Test Championship Day/Night Final.

People would have you think it's never happened. It did happen, 39 years ago.

You will see the amazing Barry Richards taking his team to victory in partnership with Imran Khan. Watch the disdain with which he smashes Dennis Lillee about.

Then you will see the greatest ever all-rounder, Sir Garfield Sobers, and the-then greatest ever bowler, Fred Trueman, present Tony Greig with World Supertest Championship trophy.

This video is like gold dust. Treasure it. I do.

Can you explain in pure cricketing terms (minus the name dropping) what exactly is sooo great in that video that would make me take a 2nd look.

From what I can see ... in the first ball the batsman takes a almighty heave (flat footed) at a SLA misses by a good 6 inches or soo and is cleaned up. What exactly is sooo breathtaking about this piece of action (and any of the rest of it).

BTW werent you totally against White ball cricket ? :)
 
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Can you explain in pure cricketing terms (minus the name dropping) what exactly is sooo great in that video that would make me take a 2nd look.

From what I can see ... in the first ball the batsman takes a almighty heave at a SLA misses by a good 6 inches or soo and is cleaned up. What exactly is sooo breathtaking about this piece of action (and any of the rest of it).

BTW werent you totally against White ball cricket ? :)

I was expecting this conversation to go something like this:

JUNAIDS: "Richards smashes Lillee around like he was a 135K trundler".

TUSKER: "Lillee was a 130K trundler".

On a serious note, I do prefer the Year 1 pink ball to the Year 2 one and to the white ball.

But the Supertests worked because the pitches were treacherous and the bowlers were relentlessly superb.

My preference in cricket would be as follows, to have all 3 formats:

T20: dead pitches, huge bats, short boundaries, white balls which don't move, median innings score 170

ODI: lively pitches, 1970's bats, no fielding restrictions, one ball with a huge seam, median innings score 240. If you go for a 6 with a 1970's bat, you'd better understand that you are likely to get caught 20 yards inside the rope unless you absolutely middle it.

Test cricket: Day/Night format, 4 days, minimum 3 mm of live grass on the pitch or match abandoned, Second new ball at 70 overs, option for fielding team to instead take a reversible pre-scuffed ball at 50 overs INSTEAD of a new ball at 70 overs. Maximum First Innings length for both teams of 100 overs. Intended median 1st/2nd innings score of 220, intended median 3rd/4th innings score of 350. Match abandoned if either side scores 500 in an innings, or if more than 4 centuries scored in the match.
 
1 - Mathew Hayden
2 - Saeed Anwar
3 - Younis Khan
4 - Sachin Tendulkar
5 - Mohd. Yousuf
6 - Andrew Flintoff
7 - Adam Gilchrist (wk)
8 - Wasim Akram
9 - Shane Warne
10 - Waqar Younis
11 - Shoaib Akhtar

Subs:

12 - Kumar Sangakarra
13 - Virat Kohli
14 - Chris Cairns
15 - Saqlain Mushtaq
16 - Shane Bond
 
Definitely!

Barry Richards is as far ahead of any other batsman that I have watched as Malcolm Marshall is ahead of every other bowler.

Viv Richards is the closest batsman to Barry Richards.

Here is my gift to everyone on this forum. Especially [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] , but also [MENTION=135134]CricketAnalyst[/MENTION] and anyone else who wants to see how Test cricket can feature in the future.

This is short video of the World Test Championship Day/Night Final.

People would have you think it's never happened. It did happen, 39 years ago.

You will see the amazing Barry Richards taking his team to victory in partnership with Imran Khan. Watch the disdain with which he smashes Dennis Lillee about.

Then you will see the greatest ever all-rounder, Sir Garfield Sobers, and the-then greatest ever bowler, Fred Trueman, present Tony Greig with World Supertest Championship trophy.

This video is like gold dust. Treasure it. I do.

Fantastic. Thanks for this Junaids. Quick question. Why did Chappelli bowl a wide deliberately when 2 runs were required?
 
I was expecting this conversation to go something like this:

JUNAIDS: "Richards smashes Lillee around like he was a 135K trundler".

TUSKER: "Lillee was a 130K trundler".

On a serious note, I do prefer the Year 1 pink ball to the Year 2 one and to the white ball.

But the Supertests worked because the pitches were treacherous and the bowlers were relentlessly superb.

My preference in cricket would be as follows, to have all 3 formats:

T20: dead pitches, huge bats, short boundaries, white balls which don't move, median innings score 170

ODI: lively pitches, 1970's bats, no fielding restrictions, one ball with a huge seam, median innings score 240. If you go for a 6 with a 1970's bat, you'd better understand that you are likely to get caught 20 yards inside the rope unless you absolutely middle it.

Test cricket: Day/Night format, 4 days, minimum 3 mm of live grass on the pitch or match abandoned, Second new ball at 70 overs, option for fielding team to instead take a reversible pre-scuffed ball at 50 overs INSTEAD of a new ball at 70 overs. Maximum First Innings length for both teams of 100 overs. Intended median 1st/2nd innings score of 220, intended median 3rd/4th innings score of 350. Match abandoned if either side scores 500 in an innings, or if more than 4 centuries scored in the match.

We will come back to this later ... please respond to my main point (i.e quality of cricket)

BTW the last ball wide tells us about how professional they were. First of all a part timer will rarely be given the ball and secondly there wont be intentional wides. Simple things like that make a ig difference.

Anyhow back to the main point ... please explain why you feel the quality of cricket is soo good that I should take a second look (no name dropping).
 
We will come back to this later ... please respond to my main point (i.e quality of cricket)

BTW the last ball wide tells us about how professional they were. First of all a part timer will rarely be given the ball and secondly there wont be intentional wides. Simple things like that make a ig difference.

Anyhow back to the main point ... please explain why you feel the quality of cricket is soo good that I should take a second look (no name dropping).

I don't want to derail the thread, but in answering your questions I will hopefully highlight the greatness of some of the players.

Australia had very recently been the world's greatest Test team. They beat England 4-1 in 1974-75 and West Indies 5-1 in 1975-76. What they hadn't done is beat South Africa, because they were banned due to the evils of Apartheid.

There were three teams in the Supertests: Australia, West Indies and the World Eleven, mainly comprised of South Africans and Pakistanis.

Australia reached the Final by bowling West Indies out for 163 and 89 in the semi-final. The world class slow left-armer Ray Bright took 6-52 in the First Innings and Lillee took 7-23 in the Second Innings.

The SuperTest Final really showcased some of the greatest players ever to play cricket.

Australia won the toss, chose to bat, and were dismissed for 189.

Imran Khan actually took 0-35. He was overshadowed by the two South African express bowlers - both considerably quicker than he was. His Sussex team-mate Garth le Roux took 5-57, while the legendary all-rounder Mike Procter too 3-33.

The World Eleven replied with 168 all out. They collapsed against the new ball bowlers Dennis Lillee and Lennie Pascoe, who took 5-51 and 4-53. They actually collapsed under lights to 104-9 with only Barry Richards - with 28 - even reaching 20. The next morning their numbers 10 and 11 profited against the dirty old ball from overs 40 to 65 and actually top-scored.

Australia batted again just before Tea (Lunch) on Day 2 and lasted a full day, reaching 219 all out in 87 overs. The pace of Le Roux took 4-44 and Imran Khan took 3-60, while young David Hookes top-scored with 96.

The World Eleven therefore required 224 to win in 5 sessions. Barry Richards top scored with 101 not out as they knocked the runs off in 57 overs on the third evening. They were actually 84-4 when Procter came in when Zaheer Abbas was dismissed, but Richards and Procter steadied the ship under lights and steered them home.

It was a very similar recipe to the now-legendary inaugural Pink Ball Day/Night Test at Adelaide. Over in three days, with the white ball hard to play under lights and when new.

The match showed the greatness of Lillee, Richards and Procter. Richards' 101 not out to win the match equates to around 300 in modern Test runs.
 
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Am an older head so:

Greenidge
Cook
Richards *
Crowe
Lara
Botham
Russel (w)
Marshall
Warne
Steyn
McGrath

Picked the best pure keeper. 3 best middle order batsmen and best bowlers.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] you completely sidestepped my question. I have no interest in the match report or the ratings of the players involved in that clip. I am JUST interested in the quality of cricket. This is the crux of the matter. So please explain why YOU consider quality of the cricket in that clip is soo extraordinary that it makes you drool over it.

I will say this : if the past is anything to go by you will not answer that question. Time will tell.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] you completely sidestepped my question. I have no interest in the match report or the ratings of the players involved in that clip. I am JUST interested in the quality of cricket. This is the crux of the matter. So please explain why YOU consider quality of the cricket in that clip is soo extraordinary that it makes you drool over it.

I will say this : if the past is anything to go by you will not answer that question. Time will tell.

Long time reader before I joined. Junaids talks nonsense and then posts long winded replies that are all air trying to justify it. The 60s and 70s were decent - sure - but this is a truly professional era where the attitudes of past players would render them obsolete for the most part today.

His logic is old & white = legend.
 
@<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=132916" target="_blank">Junaids</a> you completely sidestepped my question. I have no interest in the match report or the ratings of the players involved in that clip. I am JUST interested in the quality of cricket. This is the crux of the matter. So please explain why YOU consider quality of the cricket in that clip is soo extraordinary that it makes you drool over it.

I will say this : if the past is anything to go by you will not answer that question. Time will tell.

We know precisely how good Lillee, Richards and Imran Khan from that short clip were, by virtue of who they played against.

Remember, Imran Khan played through right to the era of Tendulkar and Lara.

Lillee was a supremely skilled bowler. It's him who taught Imran how to bowl an off-cutter to compensate for the fact that Imran's action made outswing impossible to bowl.

Gary Gilmour is in that clip too. He would be in the top three left-arm swing bowlers in history: this is the man who took Australia to the 1975 World Cup Final with semi-final and final figures of:

12-6-14-6 and 28 not out
12-2-48-5 and 14

This is his performance - by far the greatest ODI bowling performance of all-time - in the World Cup semi-final.
 
Saeed Anwar
Matthew Hayden
Ricky Ponting
Brian Lara
Sachin Tendulkar
Jacques Kallis
Adam Gilchrist +
Wasim Akram
Shane Warne *
Shoaib Akhtar
Glenn McGrath
 
Long time reader before I joined. Junaids talks nonsense and then posts long winded replies that are all air trying to justify it. The 60s and 70s were decent - sure - but this is a truly professional era where the attitudes of past players would render them obsolete for the most part today.

His logic is old & white = legend.

Absurd.

The players of the 1970s and 1980s were full-time professionals.

But instead of the nonsense gym work modern players do, they devoted far more time to actually developing their batting and bowling skills than modern players.

In the World Supertest Final that I showed, the trophy was given by Sir Garry Sobers and Freddie Trueman.

Trueman retired with the world record for most Test wickets. But in his career he bowled 99,701 First Class balls (i.e to a slip cordon) and took 2304 First Class wickets.

In contrast, Mitchell Starc shows just how inferior the preparation of modern cricketers is, and how inferior this leaves them as cricketers.

Starc has only ever bowled 12,420 First Class balls - an eighth of as many as Trueman.

The consequence is that he does not know how to get Test batsmen out. He bowls the same yorker/bouncer garbage that works in ODI's and we saw in December/January that he's barely better than Wahab Riaz.

You are right - the difference between the periods 1970-1995 and 2010 onwards is professionalism.

It's just that modern players are less professional, do less batting and bowling, and have inferior skills.

Grossly inferior skills.
 
1 Cook
2 Hayden
3 Ponting
4 Lara
5 Younis Khan
6 Kallis
7 Sangakara
8 Wasim
9 Warne
10 MacHrath
11 Styen

This is my second XI as first XI is the current playing bangla XI (sarcasm) lol
 
My XI (from players I watched play):-


Hayden
Sehwag
Ponting
Tendulkar
Lara
Kallis
Gilchrist
Warne
Wasim
McGrath
Murali


Bench - Dravid, Donald, Sangakkara, Smith
 
I will change Gavaskar with Hayden and Murali with Warne. The rest cannot be debated.

I should not have picked Gavaskar here to start with. I didn't see a lot of him. It was an oversight. Murali and Warne are interchangeable for me. Sometime I will pick Warne and sometime I will pick Murali.
 
My favorite players I watched and my rating for them out of 100 -

S Anwar - Most elegant batsman I ever watched - 88
M Hayden - Can take apart any attack. His power will perfectly complement Anwar's grace - 88
K Sangakkara - Scores double centuries for run and can lay solid foundation for the team - 90
Y Khan - Greatest 4th innings player and greatest player against spin ever - 90
M Clarke - Great against pace and very good against spin. Clutch player. Will serve well as Khan's second fiddle - 86
J Kallis - Will serve well as team's prime allrounder. Can consolidate and also save matches if team's in trouble - 88
A Gilchrist - Can take apart attacks for fun. Will provide the x-factor to the team - 90
W Akram - Greatest skillful bowler the workd has seen. Enough said - 96
M Johnson - Wonderful left arm bowler and will be gunning for heads of opposition. Enforcer - 87
M Muralitharan - Can spin it miles. Great doosra. Picks up wickets irrespective of conditions - 94
D Steyn - Outswingers from hell. Ability to pick up wickets all round the globe - 92
 
Definitely!

Barry Richards is as far ahead of any other batsman that I have watched as Malcolm Marshall is ahead of every other bowler.

Viv Richards is the closest batsman to Barry Richards.

Here is my gift to everyone on this forum. Especially [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] , but also [MENTION=135134]CricketAnalyst[/MENTION] and anyone else who wants to see how Test cricket can feature in the future.

This is short video of the World Test Championship Day/Night Final.

People would have you think it's never happened. It did happen, 39 years ago.

You will see the amazing Barry Richards taking his team to victory in partnership with Imran Khan. Watch the disdain with which he smashes Dennis Lillee about.

Then you will see the greatest ever all-rounder, Sir Garfield Sobers, and the-then greatest ever bowler, Fred Trueman, present Tony Greig with World Supertest Championship trophy.

This video is like gold dust. Treasure it. I do.

Great post but there's nothing great about the shared video. The cricket looked very average level. Maybe it has to do with camera angles.
 
Fantastic. Thanks for this Junaids. Quick question. Why did Chappelli bowl a wide deliberately when 2 runs were required?

Hi [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]. Still waiting for a response. Would appreciate if you could respond. Really curious. Was always fascinated with the Packer series and super tests.
 
We know precisely how good Lillee, Richards and Imran Khan from that short clip were, by virtue of who they played against.

Remember, Imran Khan played through right to the era of Tendulkar and Lara.

Lillee was a supremely skilled bowler. It's him who taught Imran how to bowl an off-cutter to compensate for the fact that Imran's action made outswing impossible to bowl.

Gary Gilmour is in that clip too. He would be in the top three left-arm swing bowlers in history: this is the man who took Australia to the 1975 World Cup Final with semi-final and final figures of:

12-6-14-6 and 28 not out
12-2-48-5 and 14

This is his performance - by far the greatest ODI bowling performance of all-time - in the World Cup semi-final.

Again just a whole lot of name dropping and absolutely no explanation as to why the CRICKETING ACTION in the clips is of extraordinary quality.
 
Absurd.

The players of the 1970s and 1980s were full-time professionals.

But instead of the nonsense gym work modern players do, they devoted far more time to actually developing their batting and bowling skills than modern players.

In the World Supertest Final that I showed, the trophy was given by Sir Garry Sobers and Freddie Trueman.

Trueman retired with the world record for most Test wickets. But in his career he bowled 99,701 First Class balls (i.e to a slip cordon) and took 2304 First Class wickets.

In contrast, Mitchell Starc shows just how inferior the preparation of modern cricketers is, and how inferior this leaves them as cricketers.

Starc has only ever bowled 12,420 First Class balls - an eighth of as many as Trueman.

The consequence is that he does not know how to get Test batsmen out. He bowls the same yorker/bouncer garbage that works in ODI's and we saw in December/January that he's barely better than Wahab Riaz.

You are right - the difference between the periods 1970-1995 and 2010 onwards is professionalism.

It's just that modern players are less professional, do less batting and bowling, and have inferior skills.

Grossly inferior skills
.

Well why don't you just explain (Based on Cricketing Action and Technicals ) how these older players were more professional ? Should be easy to do . But given how you are constantly trying to substitute that with name dropping it is pretty obvious that you don't want to go there.
 
Azhar Ali
Warner
Root
Younis Khan
Misbah ul Haq*
Bairstow WK
Moeen Ali
Starc
Yasir Shah
Anderson
Trent Boult
 
From ones I saw a lot, here are the ones I liked and were world class every where (pretty much). Got 5 pure batsmen, plus 3 great all rounders who were world class batters as well, even Marshall was no mug with bat. Bowling wise, 4 Fast bowlers, 1 pure spinner, and Richards, Miandad, and Chappel as the part timers as well:

Gavaskar
Greenidge
Richards
Miandad
Greg Chappel
Imran Khan (C)
Gilchrist
Hadlee
Marshall
Murrali/Qadir (Depending on the pitch)
Garner
 
Great post but there's nothing great about the shared video. The cricket looked very average level. Maybe it has to do with camera angles.

I don't think it was that mediocre.

You hear Bill Lawry saying that Gary Gilmour has bowled a terrific line (left-arm over the wicket) and then you see Barry Richards three times pulling deliveries which are barely short of a length at all, from outside off-stump.

You then see him do the same to Lillee against a shorter, faster ball which is too short to cut.
[MENTION=138295]EliteCynical[/MENTION] I don't know why Chappelli did that. There was no betting market - I think he just didn't want to let the opposition score the winning runs.
 
Dravid
Lara
Ponting (c)
Sanga
Sachin
Kallis
Gilly (wk)
Warne
McGrath
Steyn
Murali

Unfortunately didn't get to see a lot of Ambrose and Akram otherwise they would certainly be in there somewhere.
 
I don't think it was that mediocre.

You hear Bill Lawry saying that Gary Gilmour has bowled a terrific line (left-arm over the wicket) and then you see Barry Richards three times pulling deliveries which are barely short of a length at all, from outside off-stump.

You then see him do the same to Lillee against a shorter, faster ball which is too short to cut.
[MENTION=138295]EliteCynical[/MENTION] I don't know why Chappelli did that. There was no betting market - I think he just didn't want to let the opposition score the winning runs.

Thanks for getting back to me on this. I appreciate it. I did my own research on this and must say I HAVE LOST ALL MY RESPECT FOR THE SORE LOSER CALLED CHAPPELLI

Here is an excerpt from the Age newspaper dated Feb 5 , 1979. I really had to do a lot of digging for this, but in the end am not disappointed. May be this would be useful info for you too.

"32- THE AGE, Monday, February 5, 1979

Ian Chappell 'childish', says Greig From MICHAEL SHEAHAN

The final day of the $61,000 climax of the Supertest series. Greig labelled Chappell "childish" and Chappell said he had no respect for Greig as a cricketer or captain. Greig was the only member of the World XI who was not congratulated by Chappell at the presentation ceremony on the ground immediately after the game. Chappell said later "As far as I'm concerned, I don't think he's a worthy member of the World XI

WSC World XI captain Tony Greig refused to talk to Australian captain Ian Chappell when their running feud erupted in the World XI dressing room at Sydney Cricket Ground last night. Chappell attacked Greig verbally when the teams got together for the traditional after-match drinks after the WSC Supertest final and Greig responded by telling Chappell to leave him alone.

Their latest clash followed the disclosure to Chappell of Greigs remarks about him at a Press conference immediately after the dramatic third and "I've got no respect for him as a cricketer or a captain. I used to have, but have lost all my respect for him. "He shoots his mouth off and only backs up his claim with his mouth and not his ability."

Greig had accused Chappel of sour grapes in a Press conference after the game. He was referring to Chappell's action of deliberately bowling a wide which went for 4 to finish die match and, according to Greig, the Australian's refusal to congratulate Barry Richards when he reached his century. Chappell said later he had clapped Richards immediately he reached 100. "Its my prerogative to applaud, and I do when I think a bloke's played well." Chappell said. Greig said: "It was as hard a game of cricket as Ive ever played in and that's saying a lot "No, he (Chappe) didn't shake my hand and say Well played'. "He made some snide comment about great contribution again. "I enjoy that from Chappell because I know he's hurt It would be nice to think he could take a hiding,' Greig said. "

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/121320211/
 
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