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^ Oh Mr. genius at it again. And what are you doing for your so called country? You can't even put the flag of your country in your avatar. Come on put the Indian flag there now.

How you do that ? I can change the avatar but how you put the flag ?

As i said atleast he sound patriotic unlike many!

talking without actions doesnt mean anything.

For your information I help poor children of Pakistan.

Most of them children of those people who died for their country who worked in arm forces.

Maybe you should ask our arm forces how much they pay a widow of a solider with 2 or 3 kids.
 
How you do that ? I can change the avatar but how you put the flag ?



talking without actions doesnt mean anything.

For your information I help poor children of Pakistan.

Most of them children of those people who died for their country who worked in arm forces.

Maybe you should ask our arm forces how much they pay a widow of a solider with 2 or 3 kids.

I cant imagine you as a helping guy! This might be the joke of century.
 
How you do that ? I can change the avatar but how you put the flag ?



talking without actions doesnt mean anything.

For your information I help poor children of Pakistan.

Most of them children of those people who died for their country who worked in arm forces.

Maybe you should ask our arm forces how much they pay a widow of a solider with 2 or 3 kids.

Go to UserCP at the top and select Profile. In your profile go to the bottom you will see the flag option. select IND for Indian flag there, lol.
 
mara taso tolw ajeez preide...rorano...zamung ror the...lewanay the kho ror the


dont like disunity lol...
 
mara taso tolw ajeez preide...rorano...zamung ror the...lewanay the kho ror the


dont like disunity lol...

Brothers- if you dont mind can you guys speak in english so everyone understands :junaid

Unless its a bit personal, secretive. :asif

Dont want to upset you brothers by saying this :hafeez
 
Brothers- if you dont mind can you guys speak in english so everyone understands :junaid

Unless its a bit personal, secretive. :asif

Dont want to upset you brothers by saying this :hafeez

Abbay yar dil pe mat le
Koi khas bat nahi thi, just personal cheer char lol
 
pr what suspiciouns do you have of me :P

i was jus defending a mislead ror :P

njamal yeah true say

sorry simba and ukf lol
 
Go to UserCP at the top and select Profile. In your profile go to the bottom you will see the flag option. select IND for Indian flag there, lol.

Tnx bro

I know the right way already now if you really want to talk about

Pakhtunwali listen to this poem

You might disagree with some points but truth is there

there is two of them

listen to the both poems
P_P , NJamal, And P_Rules and anyone esle who understand Pashto

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Brothers- if you dont mind can you guys speak in english so everyone understands :junaid

Unless its a bit personal, secretive. :asif

Dont want to upset you brothers by saying this :hafeez

Just some Gup shup brother. True we should write in English.
 
Tnx bro

I know the right way already now if you really want to talk about

Pakhtunwali listen to this poem

You might disagree with some points but truth is there

there is two of them

listen to the both poems
P_P , NJamal, And P_Rules and anyone esle who understand Pashto

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/NclZMc2wtXA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Somebody should tell this Jahil so called poet that there are more Pathans in Pakistan than anywhere else in the World who are far better Muslims than Afghanis. If he is standing there today and spitting fire against Pakistan just for fun it is because of PAKISTAN if not he would be serving "Vodka" to his Russian masters now and polishing their boots. Jahil and stupid person who deserve a kick on his back side. No problem one day he will realize the importance of Pakistan INSHALLAH.
 
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Somebody should tell this Jahil so called poet that there are more Pathans in Pakistan than anywhere else in the World. If he is standing there today and spitting fire against Pakistan just for fun it is because of PAKISTAN if not he would be serving "Vodka" to his Russian masters now and polishing their boots. Jahil and stupid person who deserve a kick on his back side. No problem one day he will realize the importance of Pakistan INSHALLAH.

Spot on brother
 
Somebody should tell this Jahil so called poet that there are more Pathans in Pakistan than anywhere else in the World who are far better Muslims than Afghanis. If he is standing there today and spitting fire against Pakistan just for fun it is because of PAKISTAN if not he would be serving "Vodka" to his Russian masters now and polishing their boots. Jahil and stupid person who deserve a kick on his back side. No problem one day he will realize the importance of Pakistan INSHALLAH.

Couldnt have said it better brother.
 
Somebody should tell this Jahil so called poet that there are more Pathans in Pakistan than anywhere else in the World who are far better Muslims than Afghanis. If he is standing there today and spitting fire against Pakistan just for fun it is because of PAKISTAN if not he would be serving "Vodka" to his Russian masters now and polishing their boots. Jahil and stupid person who deserve a kick on his back side. No problem one day he will realize the importance of Pakistan INSHALLAH.

ameen brother ...well said ...these kind of rats are funded by anti pakistan elements ...there have been many of these kind of dogs in azad kashmir(my city) ..but thanks god they have all died in some misterious way



ISI :adnan
 
Somebody should tell this Jahil so called poet that there are more Pathans in Pakistan than anywhere else in the World who are far better Muslims than Afghanis. If he is standing there today and spitting fire against Pakistan just for fun it is because of PAKISTAN if not he would be serving "Vodka" to his Russian masters now and polishing their boots. Jahil and stupid person who deserve a kick on his back side. No problem one day he will realize the importance of Pakistan INSHALLAH.

He is from Peshawar as far as I know.

What do you mean by Afghanis ? Arent they also Pashtuns ?

His poem was only for Pashtuns.

Maybe you should comment on the poem itself rather then making emotional based comments.
 
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He is from Peshawar as far as I know.

What do you mean by Afghanis ? Arent they also Pashtuns ?

His poem was only for Pashtuns.

Maybe you should comment on the poem itself rather then making emotional based comments.

Why are you posting anti- Pakistani material.

Havent you got anything better to do??
 
^ Impossible that he is from Peshawar. His accent is that of Afghani Pathan. I don't care if he is Pathan or not but if he speaks against my country then he is my enemy.
 
To people who like Zaid - why dont you make a list of things he has done so far - for making Pak better? Apart from the comedy relief he provides for free on many networks..

Maybe even make a list of all his future predictions about everything (not 100 or 1000 years from now) in the next decade or so and we will go from there......

talk facts not "feelings"....
 
havnt watched the vid upper cut but by all the comments it seems to be anti pak...ill watch it tomorrow and see what is being said...seems bad...



cric is my life...i want to reply to you but your avatar...

since watching it as a kid i do not like clowns lol
 
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There's a difference between being patriotic and being delusional.

Zaid Hamid only harms Pakistan's image in the international community and so his patriotism is a false patriotism. Nothing that he does could ever help Pakistan.

The way he talks, he risks alienating Pakistan from the entire world, from every major economic and military power out there. And if some people here think that we don't the world I suggest they wake up and smell the flowers. We are a poor nation and its high time we recognize that and stop being so egoistic.

Somebody here said that the Americans and Indians are scared of people like Zaid Hamid. I laugh at that. At the end of the day, India is going miles ahead of Pakistan in every social, economic, political and military aspect possible. Whether they do it through good ways or wrong ways, they do it. And at the end of the day its our country that is going to the dogs not anyone else's.

And if people want to continue being "patriotic" by badmouthing other nations that are clearly marching ahead in the world and making lived for their people better, go ahead.
 
There's a difference between being patriotic and being delusional.

Zaid Hamid only harms Pakistan's image in the international community and so his patriotism is a false patriotism. Nothing that he does could ever help Pakistan.

The way he talks, he risks alienating Pakistan from the entire world, from every major economic and military power out there. And if some people here think that we don't the world I suggest they wake up and smell the flowers. We are a poor nation and its high time we recognize that and stop being so egoistic.

<b>Somebody here said that the Americans and Indians are scared of people like Zaid Hamid. I laugh at that. At the end of the day, India is going miles ahead of Pakistan in every social, economic, political and military aspect possible. Whether they do it through good ways or wrong ways, they do it. And at the end of the day its our country that is going to the dogs not anyone else's. </b>

And if people want to continue being "patriotic" by badmouthing other nations that are clearly marching ahead in the world and making lived for their people better, go ahead.


Somebody here said that the Americans and Indians are scared of people like Zaid Hamid. I laugh at that. At the end of the day, India is going miles ahead of Pakistan in every social, economic, political and military aspect possible. Whether they do it through good ways or wrong ways, they do it. And at the end of the day its our country that is going to the dogs not anyone else's.

so true tahaqureshi...unless we stop living in denial they will continue to far surpass us
 
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Somebody here said that the Americans and Indians are scared of people like Zaid Hamid. I laugh at that. At the end of the day, India is going miles ahead of Pakistan in every social, economic, political and military aspect possible. Whether they do it through good ways or wrong ways, they do it. And at the end of the day its our country that is going to the dogs not anyone else's.

so true tahaqureshi...unless we stop living in denial they will continue to far surpass us

How can you say india going miles ahead?
There is more poverty in india compare to Pakistan.
Socialy they are going down and out.
Politicaly, there is also alot of corruption as well.
 
Pakhtoon rules- the other side of the hill always seems more green.

Pakistan has a lot of potential- Pakistani land is very fertile- Pakistan had a lot if natural resources- Pakistan has a young population etc.

We only need good leadership who will unite everyone.
 
Pakhtoon rules- the other side of the hill always seems more green.

Pakistan has a lot of potential- Pakistani land is very fertile- Pakistan had a lot if natural resources- Pakistan has a young population etc.

We only need good leadership who will unite everyone.

Exactly
And its not as if they are scared of our political,economical or any other strengths. They are scared of our Faith, cant you remember Jang Badar 313 muslims defeated 1000.

Scared of our faiths tats why they are using all these negative tactics through media.
 
Exactly
And its not as if they are scared of our political,economical or any other strengths. They are scared of our Faith, cant you remember Jang Badar 313 muslims defeated 1000.

Scared of our faiths tats why they are using all these negative tactics through media.

The thing which they're scared of most is the desire of Muslims to be Martyrs fighting against them. This alone changed the battleground of Afghanistan against both USSR and now the USA. Of course, they'll never admit it for obvious reasons.

While it may be true that India is going ahead for the meanwhile, we must understand that the war which Pakistan is facing (Yes, gentlemen, its a war) was imposed upon Pakistan. It did not choose to be in the position. For any war, we must make sacrifices to be the victor - Pakistan is facing this phase now. Its security agencies (Army, police, FC, ISI) are making life sacrifices. While its citizens are making economic sacrifices.

If you remember well, Pakistan's every economic indicator pointed +ve up till 2007. Things may take a year or two to return to that level of growth iA.
 
yes india is ahead but they have always been ahead of us...they were born ahead of us after partition..whats a shock is that its taken them this long to get where they are now..

but we are fighting a war and have been on and off for thirty years..

yes we have some inept politicians, corrupt civil servants, stupid citizens and selfish military officers..but we are still here..they said we would only last 6 months in 2007..now they are saying we are the new hollywood villians!

The fact is we are the most important country in the world in the geopolitical sense right now..and instead of lions we have lambs as rulers..hence our problems..but remember our rulers are a reflection of ourselves!!...all we need is someone to say enough is enough..and I can guarantee you within a decade this coutnry will change for the better!!
 
@SE and TGK

India may have been ahead of us from partition, but Pakistan's socioeconomic indicators were much better than all of the other South Asian countries up until the late 1980's. India had massive problems with its population, its immensely diverse demographic that it just couldn't handle itself. In 1991, when Manmohan Singh became finance minister, India's economy was shuttered off from the rest of the world and on the verge of collapse. But they finally realized that economic and social liberalization is the only way that India would move forward.

And after 20 years, India has outperformed every other South Asian nation. Pakhtoon Rules mentioned that there is a lot of poverty there, more than Pakistan etc. But I'm not saying that India has transformed into a first world country overnight already. But they are working on it. You're comparing an elephant with an ant. We think WE have problem with our paltry 170 million population and four provinces, think about India with their 1.2 billion people and their 28 states and 7 union territories YET they have managed to take everyone together and make the slow journey to progress.

In fact just today an MDG report came out that said that both India and China have made significant improvements in reducing poverty in their respective countries. In 1990 51% of the population was living below poverty whereas by 2015, only 22% of the population is predicted to be living below the poverty line. Unlike our leaders, India didn't claim to halve the poverty rate in the span of one government. Instead they took their time, and 25 years later they see real, stable improvements.

Another thing that I believe is essential to any nation's success is the education of its population. Pakistan has a literacy rate of 46%. Now I know there are several different definitions of literacy, but using the same one for India, its figures stand at 74% as of 2011. They have worked so hard to bring that figure up and it will no doubt pay them dividends in the future as their work force becomes more intelligent and productive.

As their economy grows and their public finance increase, they will surely put more money for public health care and social services, making things better for the common man.

And I forgot to finish a point I made earlier - Pakistan had the best life expectancy, literacy rate, GDP per capita and infant mortality rates in all of South Asia in the 70s and 80s. Today, even Bangladesh is ahead of us.

You guy please know one thing, I love Pakistan. I really do and I am not an American bootlicker like come people call me here - that's a big insult tbh. But I have my views about how we should approach the Pakistan problem and that approach is completely devoid of "patriotic sensationalism" and over hyped emotions. Stop thinking that the world is attacking you. They only do it because you let them. For God's sake even Iran, supposedly the biggest threat to the Western world lives in relative peace in security in its market places and its schools from dawn till dusk. We on the other hand let others come in and pillage us.

Like TGK said, our leaders are a reflection of us. We as a people need to change and stop being irrational and be intelligent in uplifting this country.
 
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@SE and TGK

India may have been ahead of us from partition, but Pakistan's socioeconomic indicators were much better than all of the other South Asian countries up until the late 1980's. India had massive problems with its population, its immensely diverse demographic that it just couldn't handle itself. In 1991, when Manmohan Singh became finance minister, India's economy was shuttered off from the rest of the world and on the verge of collapse. But they finally realized that economic and social liberalization is the only way that India would move forward.

And after 20 years, India has outperformed every other South Asian nation. Pakhtoon Rules mentioned that there is a lot of poverty there, more than Pakistan etc. But I'm not saying that India has transformed into a first world country overnight already. But they are working on it. You're comparing an elephant with an ant. We think WE have problem with our paltry 170 million population and four provinces, think about India with their 1.2 billion people and their 28 states and 7 union territories YET they have managed to take everyone together and make the slow journey to progress.

In fact just today an MDG report came out that said that both India and China have made significant improvements in reducing poverty in their respective countries. In 1990 51% of the population was living below poverty whereas by 2015, only 22% of the population is predicted to be living below the poverty line. Unlike our leaders, India didn't claim to halve the poverty rate in the span of one government. Instead they took their time, and 25 years later they see real, stable improvements.

Another thing that I believe is essential to any nation's success is the education of its population. Pakistan has a literacy rate of 46%. Now I know there are several different definitions of literacy, but using the same one for India, its figures stand at 74% as of 2011. They have worked so hard to bring that figure up and it will no doubt pay them dividends in the future as their work force becomes more intelligent and productive.

As their economy grows and their public finance increase, they will surely put more money for public health care and social services, making things better for the common man.

And I forgot to finish a point I made earlier - Pakistan had the best life expectancy, literacy rate, GDP per capita and infant mortality rates in all of South Asia in the 70s and 80s. Today, even Bangladesh is ahead of us.

You guy please know one thing, I love Pakistan. I really do and I am not an American bootlicker like come people call me here - that's a big insult tbh. But I have my views about how we should approach the Pakistan problem and that approach is completely devoid of "patriotic sensationalism" and over hyped emotions. Stop thinking that the world is attacking you. They only do it because you let them. For God's sake even Iran, supposedly the biggest threat to the Western world lives in relative peace in security in its market places and its schools from dawn till dusk. We on the other hand let others come in and pillage us.

Like TGK said, our leaders are a reflection of us. We as a people need to change and stop being irrational and be intelligent in uplifting this country.

Nobody is undermining economy. I myself am a vocal supporter of strong finances. But the present situation is understandable due to the war which is imposed on Pakistan.

As I said here:

While it may be true that India is going ahead for the meanwhile, we must understand that the war which Pakistan is facing (Yes, gentlemen, its a war) was imposed upon Pakistan. It did not choose to be in the position. For any war, we must make sacrifices to be the victor - Pakistan is facing this phase now. Its security agencies (Army, police, FC, ISI) are making life sacrifices. While its citizens are making economic sacrifices.

If you remember well, Pakistan's every economic indicator pointed +ve up till 2007. Things may take a year or two to return to that level of growth iA.
 
Somebody here said that the Americans and Indians are scared of people like Zaid Hamid. I laugh at that. At the end of the day, India is going miles ahead of Pakistan in every social, economic, political and military aspect possible. Whether they do it through good ways or wrong ways, they do it. And at the end of the day its our country that is going to the dogs not anyone else's.

so true tahaqureshi...unless we stop living in denial they will continue to far surpass us

It was me and you have failed to understand why.

People on here keep on going on about India being ahead in the economy, military etc blah blah and we should be trying to do the same as them to better Pakistan. This is the most delusional ignorance going around. India has only been allowed to improve it's economy because it has bowed down and bent over to powers on the planet, namely Zionism.

Thankfully Pakistani's on the whole are not cowards in this way to sell their religion, nation and dignity for material gains. If Pakistan tomorrow made a deceleration of abandoning Islam as their religion and changed it's name from the Islamic republic of Pakistan to the Secular republic of Pakistan the powers who have most influence would quickly change their stance against Pakistan to help it to even go ahead of India. Some so called Pakistani's would be happy with this but what Zaid Hamid represents is the majority viewpoint, a viewpoint which has dignity, patriotism and most importantly belief in the one true God and his messenger. This why Hinduvta and Zionism fear people like Hamid because he places his religion and nation above the need to bend over to them even if it will cause pain and suffering in the short term but it will never in the long run.

The yanks knows this too well, they know their version of how the world is isn't be swallowed in Pakistan by the youth.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=46649

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-generation-anti-American-devout-Muslims.html
 
Nobody is undermining economy. I myself am a vocal supporter of strong finances. But the present situation is understandable due to the war which is imposed on Pakistan.

As I said here:

But I don't buy that victim mentality I really don't. If someone is able to "impose" a war upon you and you have no means to do anything about it, then stop blaming the aggressor and look inside of yourself first and figure out WHY you couldn't stop it.

Do you think America could ever "impose" a war on India or China? No. Why? Because they have a strength in their domestic structure, in their internal institutions and they have built that strength by themselves.

We on the other hand still don't know what our real form of governance is after 64 years of independence so we are ripe for manipulation.

Again, we really need to stop thinking that we are victims and that the world is out to get us because it won't solve anything. The Army, the ISI, the FC, the Police, they will all continue to sacrifice their lives and nothing will change because this problem will not be solved through the shedding of blood and martyrdom remember that. A million ants can try and take down an elephant but they will all fail when the elephant steps on them. And they can try and try and try but they will never phase the elephant.
 
It was me and you have failed to understand why.

People on here keep on going on about India being ahead in the economy, military etc blah blah and we should be trying to do the same as them to better Pakistan. This is the most delusional ignorance going around. India has only been allowed to improve it's economy because it has bowed down and bent over to powers on the planet, namely Zionism.

Thankfully Pakistani's on the whole are not cowards in this way to sell their religion, nation and dignity for material gains. If Pakistan tomorrow made a deceleration of abandoning Islam as their religion and changed it's name from the Islamic republic of Pakistan to the Secular republic of Pakistan the powers who have most influence would quickly change their stance against Pakistan to help it to even go ahead of India. Some so called Pakistani's would be happy with this but what Zaid Hamid represents is the majority viewpoint, a viewpoint which has dignity, patriotism and most importantly belief in the one true God and his messenger. This why Hinduvta and Zionism fear people like Hamid because he places his religion and nation above the need to bend over to them even if it will cause pain and suffering in the short term but it will never in the long run.

The yanks knows this too well, they know their version of how the world is isn't be swallowed in Pakistan by the youth.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=46649

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-generation-anti-American-devout-Muslims.html

I really don't buy that. Zaid Hamid does not represent the majority view. Simply using references to Sahabi (RA) and to the Prophet (PBUH) repeatedly doesn't make one a true representative of the Muslim view point.

He is constantly TRYING to find explanations for our problems that are linked to Israel/India/US and their whole evil network.

Why haven't countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey been slapped across their face economically? They are all very strong when it comes to the economy and I don't see them being restricted simply because they are Muslim countries.

And this "war" only came about in the last 10 years. What were we doing in the 50 years before that? chakkee peesing? :facepalm:
 
^ But if one ant enters the ear of the elephant and reaches his brain this one ant can bring the elephant down.

If we are under attack then what are we supposed to do? Ignore it or fight it out. Pakistan is in a state of undeclared War since the 9/11 drama. Yes we are behind India but we are not cowards we will fight our enemies till either our death or theirs.
 
^ But if one ant enters the ear of the elephant and reaches his brain this one ant can bring the elephant down.

If we are under attack then what are we supposed to do? Ignore it or fight it out. Pakistan is in a state of undeclared War since the 9/11 drama. Yes we are behind India but we are not cowards we will fight our enemies till either our death or theirs.

Kartay raho phir, then don't cry about the innocent deaths that are plaguing us day in day out after 10 years of this war.

We are at the worst security situation right now during this entire past decade.

I really don't see this "fight to the death" making anything better for us.

Our military does operations after operations in the tribal regions but the militants are still there. Schools are still being blown up, kids are still be abducted to become suicide bombers.

I don't see what "fight" you're talking about.
 
I really don't buy that. Zaid Hamid does not represent the majority view. Simply using references to Sahabi (RA) and to the Prophet (PBUH) repeatedly doesn't make one a true representative of the Muslim view point.

Yes he does, the yanks themselves have said views such as his are in the majority in the Pak army amongst the youth. I have provided two news stories relating to wikileaks regarding this. What evidence have you provided to suggest otherwise?

e is constantly TRYING to find explanations for our problems that are linked to Israel/India/US and their whole evil network.

Zionism has launched a global war against Muslims nations who stand in their way. They have no choice to do this because of their need to complete their goal of a greater Israel. Ariel Sharon visited India while the BJP were in power who then joined forces, zionism and hindutva are similar ideologies who both have what they see as the same enemy, any strong Islamic nation.

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Why haven't countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey been slapped across their face economically? They are all very strong when it comes to the economy and I don't see them being restricted simply because they are Muslim countries.

Turkey is member of Nato so it's an ally even if people are fooled into thinking they are some kind of leading light of Muslims, they are not. Last year they made some noises after Turks were killed by Israel but this didn't last long, this year they have become silent. Mayalsia and Indonesia aren't really big players in world geo-politics.

And this "war" only came about in the last 10 years. What were we doing in the 50 years before that? chakkee peesing? :facepalm:

The war has become fully active in the last 10 years, it doesn't mean it never existed against Pakistan before this.
 
Why do people think what he says is nonsense?

On what basis do you say that? And what exactly are your credentials that makes your opinion more worthy than his?

Some of you idiots need a reality check.lol
 
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Yes he does, the yanks themselves have said views such as his are in the majority in the Pak army amongst the youth. I have provided two news stories relating to wikileaks regarding this. What evidence have you provided to suggest otherwise?

Such delusions.

He doesn't even represent majority views even on this website.

I request the mods add a poll to find out.

[utube]GLT_JD0FRA[/utube]

The man is nothing more than an initialy successful, but eventually failed PR campaign of a certain Col. Zafar Malik from the ISI.
 
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Again, we really need to stop thinking that we are victims and that the world is out to get us because it won't solve anything. The Army, the ISI, the FC, the Police, they will all continue to sacrifice their lives and nothing will change because this problem will not be solved through the shedding of blood and martyrdom remember that. A million ants can try and take down an elephant but they will all fail when the elephant steps on them. And they can try and try and try but they will never phase the elephant.

Seriously, are you a Mushrik? Because only Mushriks think like that. Will you refuse to learn any lesson from the Quran, Hadith and the History? 313 Muslims were enough for a well weaponised 2000+ Kuffars in Badr. 60 Muslims were enough for 60,000 Roman empire terrorists. Who defeated USSR and liberated their Muslims? Do you think that Allah's help is a history and is not applicable to present day Muslims? WAKE UP!
 
Such delusions.

He doesn't even represent majority views even on this website.

I request the mods add a poll to find out.

[utube]GLT_JD0FRA[/utube]

The man is nothing more than an initialy successful, but eventually failed PR campaign of a certain Col. Zafar Malik from the ISI.

Whether he represents the majority or a minority not does not matter. What matters is whether he speaks the truth or not.
 
Whether he represents the majority or a minority not does not matter. What matters is whether he speaks the truth or not.

Hazoor, apse kaun jeet sakta hai psy-ops mai.

Waise bhi, mai Khan lala say mukhatib tha.


Truth, the word coming from you, sounds SO wrong.
 
Hazoor, apse kaun jeet sakta hai psy-ops mai.

Waise bhi, mai Khan lala say mukhatib tha.


Truth, the word coming from you, sounds SO wrong.

Do you know how many people were there when Allama Iqbal gave his famous speech about 2 nation theory in 1930 in Allahabad? No more than 350.

Intelligent ones will know what I mean.
 
Do you know how many people were there when Allama Iqbal gave his famous speech about 2 nation theory in 1930 in Allahabad? No more than 350.

Intelligent ones will know what I mean.

:) Thank you for the historical fact, i was indeed unaware of the number of people who attended the conference at Allahabad.

My point stays, truth, the word, doesn't suit you and sounds very very WRONG.
 
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Seriously, are you a Mushrik? Because only Mushriks think like that. Will you refuse to learn any lesson from the Quran, Hadith and the History? 313 Muslims were enough for a well weaponised 2000+ Kuffars in Badr. 60 Muslims were enough for 60,000 Roman empire terrorists. Who defeated USSR and liberated their Muslims? Do you think that Allah's help is a history and is not applicable to present day Muslims? WAKE UP!

Those Muslims army did not accept 20 billions of dollars from Kafirs.

Those armies didn't not support USZ with drone attacks.
Your words "In drone attacks only civilians are killed.

Their Leader were Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) This army leader is Gen. Pasha/Kayani/ Zardari.

Same Gen Pasha who issued 3000 visas to USZ agents.

Please do not insult our religion and our Prophet army.
 
It was me and you have failed to understand why.

People on here keep on going on about India being ahead in the economy, military etc blah blah and we should be trying to do the same as them to better Pakistan. This is the most delusional ignorance going around. India has only been allowed to improve it's economy because it has bowed down and bent over to powers on the planet, namely Zionism.

Thankfully Pakistani's on the whole are not cowards in this way to sell their religion, nation and dignity for material gains. If Pakistan tomorrow made a deceleration of abandoning Islam as their religion and changed it's name from the Islamic republic of Pakistan to the Secular republic of Pakistan the powers who have most influence would quickly change their stance against Pakistan to help it to even go ahead of India. Some so called Pakistani's would be happy with this but what Zaid Hamid represents is the majority viewpoint, a viewpoint which has dignity, patriotism and most importantly belief in the one true God and his messenger. This why Hinduvta and Zionism fear people like Hamid because he places his religion and nation above the need to bend over to them even if it will cause pain and suffering in the short term but it will never in the long run.

The yanks knows this too well, they know their version of how the world is isn't be swallowed in Pakistan by the youth.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=46649

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-generation-anti-American-devout-Muslims.html



i was quoting tahaqureshi king khan lol

i didnt say it...he did haha
 
How can you say india going miles ahead?
There is more poverty in india compare to Pakistan.
Socialy they are going down and out.
Politicaly, there is also alot of corruption as well.

mara its not hard to deny that still there is alot of taraqi over there...

were being cleaned up by a corrupt government...
 
Seriously, are you a Mushrik? Because only Mushriks think like that. Will you refuse to learn any lesson from the Quran, Hadith and the History? 313 Muslims were enough for a well weaponised 2000+ Kuffars in Badr. 60 Muslims were enough for 60,000 Roman empire terrorists. Who defeated USSR and liberated their Muslims? Do you think that Allah's help is a history and is not applicable to present day Muslims? WAKE UP!

Oh bhai zara rehem karo. Tareekh ke zakhand lagao.

Muslims were also defeated in the Battle of Uhud while the Prophet (PBUH) himself was there.
Muslims were also defeated in the Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa when the Catholics finally wrested control of Spain from us.
Muslims were also defeated at the hands of the savage Mongols in Baghdad when the Abbasi Sultanate was drenched from earth to sky in red blood.
Muslims were also defeated when the Ottoman Empire fell, leading to the division of Muslim land at the hands of Non-Muslims.
Muslims were also defeated when Aurangzeb died and the Moghul Empire fell, giving way to the rise of British Imperialism in South Asia.
Muslims were also defeated when the whole incident of Karbala happened.
Muslims were also defeated in West Bengal when the Hindus replaced Muslim rule with their own after we drowned in our own Nafs and luxuries.

Allah (SWT) did not say that he will help us all the time. He only helps those who are willing to help themselves. And at the end of the day, this world is just a test, we are only musafirs. Here, the innocent will die and the unjust will reign. What happens here is not an indication of God's pleasure or displeasure necessarily. He gave you a brain, not just a heart - so stop being over emotional and use your intelligence. We need to stop sending kids out to fight and die again and again because it will not lead to anything!

We don't live in the time of Badr anymore. Military conquests aren't the end all be all of world power. Economic might, social justice and social prosperity are equally key components. And ironically, its is Islam that has taught us that. If you want to relive the Battle of Badr and fantasize about angels coming on to the battle field then go ahead but NOTHING will come of it I promise you. We need to use our brains, Allah will definitely grant us victory when we do (Inshallah).

And please, don't ever imply even through questioning that I am a Mushrik. I am a Muslim through and through. You aren't a savior of Islam so please stop deriding others.
 
oh bhai zara rehem karo. Tareekh ke zakhand lagao.

Muslims were also defeated in the battle of uhud while the prophet (pbuh) himself was there.
Muslims were also defeated in the battle of las navas de tolosa when the catholics finally wrested control of spain from us.
Muslims were also defeated at the hands of the savage mongols in baghdad when the abbasi sultanate was drenched from earth to sky in red blood.
Muslims were also defeated when the ottoman empire fell, leading to the division of muslim land at the hands of non-muslims.
Muslims were also defeated when aurangzeb died and the moghul empire fell, giving way to the rise of british imperialism in south asia.
Muslims were also defeated when the whole incident of karbala happened.
Muslims were also defeated in west bengal when the hindus replaced muslim rule with their own after we drowned in our own nafs and luxuries.

Allah (swt) did not say that he will help us all the time. He only helps those who are willing to help themselves. And at the end of the day, this world is just a test, we are only musafirs. Here, the innocent will die and the unjust will reign. What happens here is not an indication of god's pleasure or displeasure necessarily. He gave you a brain, not just a heart - so stop being over emotional and use your intelligence. We need to stop sending kids out to fight and die again and again because it will not lead to anything!

We don't live in the time of badr anymore. Military conquests aren't the end all be all of world power. Economic might, social justice and social prosperity are equally key components. And ironically, its is islam that has taught us that. If you want to relive the battle of badr and fantasize about angels coming on to the battle field then go ahead but nothing will come of it i promise you. We need to use our brains, allah will definitely grant us victory when we do (inshallah).

And please, don't ever imply even through questioning that i am a mushrik. I am a muslim through and through. You aren't a savior of islam so please stop deriding others.


great post.......
 
Such delusions.

He doesn't even represent majority views even on this website.

I request the mods add a poll to find out.

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lol@ you call it delusions but want to use PP as a poll to prove otherwise? Please show some self respect, this is a joke right?

Can you provide any reasons for your claim? You haven't so far but want a poll on pakpassion. lol

This is why I believe his general views are held by the majority in Pakistan.

Pakistan army's next generation 'anti-American, devout Muslims'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-generation-anti-American-devout-Muslims.html

Nearly 70 percent of Pakistanis surveyed view the U.S. as an enemy.

http://quitenormal.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/pew-poll-trusted-u-s-ally-pakistan-hates-americas-guts/

Pakistan Poll: 66% say US forces didn't kill bin Laden

http://www.yougov.polis.cam.ac.uk/pakistan-poll-66-say-us-forces-didnt-kill-bin-laden

Pakistanis see India as bigger threat than Taliban and Qaida: Poll

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-n...ndia-as-bigger-threat-than-Taliban-Qaida-Poll

"When asked if they believed it to be true that the attacks were carried out by Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), only seven percent replied yes, another seven percent replied maybe, and 78 percent said no

http://www.hindustantimes.com/42-pe...e-for-Mumbai-attack-poll/Article1-410031.aspx
 
lol@ you call it delusions but want to use PP as a poll to prove otherwise? Please show some self respect, this is a joke right?

Oh please, there is nothing to prove against your childish claims that majority possess his views in Pakistan, when majority don't even support him on a website like PakPassion.

Can you provide any reasons for your claim? You haven't so far but want a poll on pakpassion. lol

:) Being anti-American, anti-imperialism doesn't make you a Zaid Hamid supporter.

Majority in Pakistan are anti-american (yours truly amongst them) and against their interference in everyday running of our country, but people also abhor the mindset of loons like Zaid Hamid & co.
 
Oh bhai zara rehem karo. Tareekh ke zakhand lagao.

Muslims were also defeated in the Battle of Uhud while the Prophet (PBUH) himself was there. - They did not follow the command of Prophet (PBUH) and got overjoyed after the initial victory
Muslims were also defeated in the Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa when the Catholics finally wrested control of Spain from us. - They did not maintain positions as directed by their commander
Muslims were also defeated at the hands of the savage Mongols in Baghdad when the Abbasi Sultanate was drenched from earth to sky in red blood. - Moghuls became Muslims later!
Muslims were also defeated when the Ottoman Empire fell, leading to the division of Muslim land at the hands of Non-Muslims. - Due to betrayers like Mustafa Kamal and some others who helped British and French from the inside
Muslims were also defeated when Aurangzeb died and the Moghul Empire fell, giving way to the rise of British Imperialism in South Asia. - Indian emperors were never true muslims
Muslims were also defeated when the whole incident of Karbala happened. - Fight amongst oneself (which is strictly forbidden by Prophet and Allah.
Muslims were also defeated in West Bengal when the Hindus replaced Muslim rule with their own after we drowned in our own Nafs and luxuries.

Beta, ab samajh me aaya? Whenever you refuse to follow Allah and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)'s commands, you will be defeated! And YOU definitely are NOT obeying Prophet neither Allah. You are scared of USA, India and Israhell. Remember beta, Allah is bigger than USA, India and Israhell combined.

And you definitely seem to be a Mushrik as you are afraid of them, defying Rasul Allah s.a.w's and Allah's commands and actions, as I said.

About your blabberings in the last part, nobody is saying that Economy is nothing. Itna jaldi bhool gaya beta ki 2007 me growth rate 6-7% tha? Itna jaldi saboor kho gaya war mein? Bhool gaya ki 2007 se ab tak Pakistan ek silent dangerous 4th Generation war mein hain? I can bet that if tomorrow Pakistan's economic health gets better, you will be jumping up and down for pakistan. You have just betrayed Pakistan in its difficult times and have started cheering for its enemy. Don't be a couch potato beta and learn to face some hardships in difficult times. :)
 
Beta, ab samajh me aaya? Whenever you refuse to follow Allah and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)'s commands, you will be defeated! And YOU definitely are NOT obeying Prophet neither Allah. You are scared of USA, India and Israhell. Remember beta, Allah is bigger than USA, India and Israhell combined.

And you definitely seem to be a Mushrik as you are afraid of them, defying Rasul Allah s.a.w's and Allah's commands and actions, as I said.

About your blabberings in the last part, nobody is saying that Economy is nothing. Itna jaldi bhool gaya beta ki 2007 me growth rate 6-7% tha? Itna jaldi saboor kho gaya war mein? Bhool gaya ki 2007 se ab tak Pakistan ek silent dangerous 4th Generation war mein hain? I can bet that if tomorrow Pakistan's economic health gets better, you will be jumping up and down for pakistan. You have just betrayed Pakistan in its difficult times and have started cheering for its enemy. Don't be a couch potato beta and learn to face some hardships in difficult times. :)

Prophet and Allah also said don't make friends with kafirs and we give them our land for their military basis
We accept 20 billion dollar from the in past 10 years.
Army is helping them with drone attacks.

You have no right to call another Muslim a Mushrik .
 
^ You can't blame the whole nation for the decision of one coward and traitor like Busharaf.
 
^ You can't blame the whole nation for the decision of one coward and traitor like Busharaf.

Same Busharaf who came into power with the help of ISI/Army ?

And you can compare this army to Prophet Mohammad (PUBH) is also not a good idea.
 
So you mean that the whole Army is to be blamed for the decision of a few generals. Look the Army is such an organization where you have to follow the orders of the superior no matter what. I have also some reservations on the top brass of our Army but I will support it because without this Army we will be finished.

Who compared it to the Army of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH)? There is no comparison between the two but we can at least follow their footsteps and work harder to be like them. They are our role models and their ways is our ultimate goal.

I don't know what kind of a Pakistani are you? You target every patriot Pakistani here on this forum. You are only happy when somebody is bashing Pakistan, or when Indians are bashing it you also join them in the fun. Shame on you.
 
So you mean that the whole Army is to be blamed for the decision of a few generals. Look the Army is such an organization where you have to follow the orders of the superior no matter what. I have also some reservations on the top brass of our Army but I will support it because without this Army we will be finished.

Bahi, you and I share in general the same opinion but sadly your support for the Army is where it differentiates.

The orders of few Generals shall be higher than the will of Allah?

If the soldiers really had some honor and Iman they would have quit after getting the order to shoot at their own brothers. Some honorable soldiers actually did that and my respect is for them.

Two armies are fighting eacth other:

One is fighting because their houses were destroyed and beloved ones were killed because they wanted the word of Allah to be the highest.
The other Army is fighting so that they might gain some money and please their Kaffir masters.

Mashallah you have a lot of knowledge of Islam, you tell me who is on the right path.
 
Bahi, you and I share in general the same opinion but sadly your support for the Army is where it differentiates.

The orders of few Generals shall be higher than the will of Allah?

If the soldiers really had some honor and Iman they would have quit after getting the order to shoot at their own brothers. Some honorable soldiers actually did that and my respect is for them.

Two armies are fighting eacth other:

One is fighting because their houses were destroyed and beloved ones were killed because they wanted the word of Allah to be the highest.
The other Army is fighting so that they might gain some money and please their Kaffir masters.

Mashallah you have a lot of knowledge of Islam, you tell me who is on the right path.

I'm putting up some hadiths and ayats from Quran here. Read them and understand the situation.

And when they are told, "Do not spread corruption on earth," they answer, "We are but improving things!". Oh, verily, it is they, they who are spreading corruption but they perceive it not. [The Qur'an, Al-Baqarah 11-12]

And there are those Who put up a mosque By way of mischief and infidelity To disunite the Believers And in preparation for one Who warred against Allah And His Apostle aforetime. They will indeed swear That their intention is nothing But good; but Allah doth declare That they are certainly liars. [The Qur'an, At-Tawbah 107]

"A person with eyes protruding, with a long beard and head clean-shaven came to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and declared: 'O Muhammad! (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) fear Allah. "' The Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) replied: "If I disobey Allah, then who else will obey Him? I am obedient to Allah at all times and never disobedient. Allah has sent me as Amin(Honest for the entire world, but you don't accept me as an honest man?'

A Sahabi (Companion) became infuriated and sought permission to remove him from the presence of the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) prevented the Sahabi from doing so After the person had left, the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: "From his progeny will rise a Group who will recite the Holy Quran but it will not go below their throats. They will leave the Deen just as an arrow leaves the bowstring. They will kill the Muslims but spare the idolaters. If I ever confronted these people I would slaughter them just as the people of Aad had been destroyed" (Mishkat Shareef, pp/535)

The Caliph Ali (RA) narrated as follows: "I heard the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) as saying that as the Day of Qiyamah approaches there will appear a group of youths with a low mental capacity and understanding, apparently they will talk of good but their Imaan will not go beyond their throat and they will leave the true Deen like an arrow leaves the prey. Wherever you find them, you should make Jihad with them." (Sahih Bukhari pp/1024)

The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) stated: "My Ummah is destined to differ and be divided. So a group will arise whose talks will sound very good but their character will be misleading. They will read the Quran but it will not descend below their throats (just oral reading). They will leave Deen just as an arrow pierces and goes right through the prey. They will not return to Islam. They are the worst of creation because of their nature and constitution. They will call the people towards the Qur'an and Deen whilst in reality they will have nothing to do with Islam. Whoever will confront them, he will be the most beloved servant of Allah. The Sahaba inquired: "Ya Rasoolullah, (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) what is their sign?" He replied: "Sitting in a Halqa (circle)." (Mishkat Shareef, pp/308)
 
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I'm putting up some hadiths and ayats from Quran here. Read them and understand the situation.

1. Clearly you do not know the background and meaning of those Quranic Ayats. For every Ayat you stated I can quote 10 mores against the Pak Army but that's not my way of discussion.

2. I know quite well what you are trying to point out by those hadiths the truth is that the definition of Khawarij isn't congruent with the people you are attacking.

3. Please don't make mockery of Islam by quoting verses and hadith of which greater meaning you don't know. My question was meant for Njamal and not for you.
 
Bahi, you and I share in general the same opinion but sadly your support for the Army is where it differentiates.

The orders of few Generals shall be higher than the will of Allah?

If the soldiers really had some honor and Iman they would have quit after getting the order to shoot at their own brothers. Some honorable soldiers actually did that and my respect is for them.

Two armies are fighting eacth other:

One is fighting because their houses were destroyed and beloved ones were killed because they wanted the word of Allah to be the highest.
The other Army is fighting so that they might gain some money and please their Kaffir masters.

Mashallah you have a lot of knowledge of Islam, you tell me who is on the right path.

Abdullah I can clearly see who is on the right path.

Tell me brother how will you call a person a Muslim if he is bombing mosques where innocent people are praying? How will you call a person a Muslim if he is shooting another person on point blank range just because he used to work in ISI?

Islam is the religion of peace and discipline. Look I am also against the operations of Lal Masjid and the drone attacks but I will never speak in favor of TTP and their way of retaliation. TTP is the real FITNA of today's World and should be crushed to death. They are the people who are taking money from foreign elements and fighting against Pakistan. I am not saying this without any proof, I know very well what they are doing which I can't write here.

Open your eyes and PLEASE brother don't support this FITNA.
 
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1. Clearly you do not know the background and meaning of those Quranic Ayats. For every Ayat you stated I can quote 10 mores against the Pak Army but that's not my way of discussion.

2. I know quite well what you are trying to point out by those hadiths the truth is that the definition of Khawarij isn't congruent with the people you are attacking.

3. Please don't make mockery of Islam by quoting verses and hadith of which greater meaning you don't know. My question was meant for Njamal and not for you.

Open your eyes before it gets too late. You are obviously blind.

And it is you who cannot understand straightforward hadiths. Just using an avatar with arabic writings don't make you a Muslim - mind it.
 
^ ISI is losing people Sympathy and they need a joker(zaid hamid kind) to make people belive that some how they are the best people in this world and ALL IS WELL and just blame raw,mosaad , CIA for everything ....he is clearly a joker but great speaker

I like

"Its Very Important to know your limits"Imran Khan
 
Abdullah I can clearly see who is on the right path.

Tell me brother how will you call a person a Muslim if he is bombing mosques where innocent people are praying? How will you call a person a Muslim if he is shooting another person on point blank range just because he used to work in ISI?

Islam is the religion of peace and discipline. Look I am also against the operations of Lal Masjid and the drone attacks but I will never speak in favor of TTP and their way of retaliation. TTP is the real FITNA of today's World and should be crushed to death. They are the people who are taking money from foreign elements and fighting against Pakistan. I am not saying this without any proof, I know very well what they are doing which I can't write here.

Open your eyes and PLEASE brother don't support this FITNA.


Only Kaffir will bomb Masjids and it's also them who are behind it ie. Blackwater.

The theory that : X group is agent of America, trying to destabilize Pakistan so that America can destroy our nukes does sound realistic and believable.

I once was also a supporter of above theory but than after educating myself over the issue I've changed my opinion. I'm not a naive kid with little knowledge.

Since this is an open forum and talking in favor of a certain group would be like talking in the support of Hamas while sitting in Israeli Parliament, suicidal.

I just kindly remind you of the 2009 incident in which CIA was attacked by those who are supposed to be their agents. How do you explain that?
 
Look how will you justify the shooting of Col. Imam (an elderly helpless and unarmed person) right under the nose of Hakeem Ullah Mahsud? If you want I can provide you video of that. I told you I know personally What is TTP?

Regarding the CIA attack it must be the work of double agents. I am sure you know what it means?
 
Open your eyes before it gets too late. You are obviously blind.

And it is you who cannot understand straightforward hadiths. Just using an avatar with arabic writings don't make you a Muslim - mind it.

:)) 'with arabic writings'

That's the first Kalma, reciting and believing on it is the fundamentals of being a Muslim.

I don't understand straightforward hadith?

Please answer this:

One of Qualities of Khawarij is that they are supporters of Kuffar while oppressing Muslim.

Now tell me when was the last time you saw the people you accuse supporting Kuffar?
When was the last time you saw them showing smiles to the faces of the Kuffar?
When was the last time you saw them holding hands with Kuffar?
When was the last time you saw them hugging the Kuffar?

Why are these question reminding us of our leaders?
 
Look how will you justify the shooting of Col. Imam (an elderly helpless and unarmed person) right under the nose of Hakeem Ullah Mahsud? If you want I can provide you video of that. I told you I know personally What is TTP?

Regarding the CIA attack it must be the work of double agents. I am sure you know what it means?

I know about the Col. Imam incident.

Tell me why was a true Muajhid like him, who fought against Russian, not fighting against USA?

The reality is that he was an agent of ISI. Since you support Afghan Taliban let it be known to you that he was expelled from Afghanistan after the attack of America the Mujahedin of Afghanistan did not trusted him. He wanted to live in kandhar and also petitioned to meet Mullah Umar but was refused and was made to leave the Afghan land.

He also played a great role in the arrest of high Taliban leaders like Mullah Abdul Salam Zaef.

I recommend you to read the Book "My Life With The Taliban" by Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef to get the true image of Col imam, Pak Army and ISI.
Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef was the Talibani diplomat to Pakistan who was arrested by Pak establishment after 2001 and sent to Guantanomo for $$$. Where was the diplomatic immunity for him which Raymond Davis had?

Edit: here is the direct quote from the Book pg 157.

I spent most of my time tracking events and following the international situation as well as that in Afghanistan. The last person I met from ISI was Colonel Imam. He was well-known among Afghans from the early years of the anti-Russian jihad and was now the Consul at Pakistan’s Consulate in Herat. He was expelled from Afghanistan after America started its attack. The Taliban did not trust him and even though he tried to stay in Kandahar, he had to leave the country.
 
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^ Abdullah I told you that I am against the current or past top leaders of our Army. I will never support for what they did to Mullah Zaeef, for Lal Masjid, for their participation in the so called WOT, and for many more things. But all this will not stop me from supporting our Army in general sense. We have some black sheep in the Army but majority of them are patriotic and true sons of the soil. INSHALLAH one day we will get a General who will lead us out of all this.

Two wrongs never makes a right. TTP is not only a wrong it is a Fitna. Supporting Army means supporting Pakistan in these crucial times. Why you will not support Pakistan? For the sake of the majority who are true soldiers of Pakistan and eventually Islam we shall support our Army.

TTP are the traitors and I am sorry but I can not consider them MUSLIMS as well. They are the killers of Innocent people. Yes black water is involved in the bomb blasts but who are being used? We had never seen a agent of Black Water blowing himself away in Pakistan. Black Water plans and provide support and TTP execute the Plan. They both are the same.
 
^ Abdullah I told you that I am against the current or past top leaders of our Army. I will never support for what they did to Mullah Zaeef, for Lal Masjid, for their participation in the so called WOT, and for many more things. But all this will not stop me from supporting our Army in general sense. We have some black sheep in the Army but majority of them are patriotic and true sons of the soil. INSHALLAH one day we will get a General who will lead us out of all this.

Two wrongs never makes a right. TTP is not only a wrong it is a Fitna. Supporting Army means supporting Pakistan in these crucial times. Why you will not support Pakistan? For the sake of the majority who are true soldiers of Pakistan and eventually Islam we shall support our Army.

TTP are the traitors and I am sorry but I can not consider them MUSLIMS as well. They are the killers of Innocent people. Yes black water is involved in the bomb blasts but who are being used? We had never seen a agent of Black Water blowing himself away in Pakistan. Black Water plans and provide support and TTP execute the Plan. They both are the same.

Top post Jamal lala. Agree with it.
 
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