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LAHORE: After months of allegations, former prime minister Imran Khan has given a clean chit to the United States and instead held former army chief Qamar Javed Bajwa responsible for the ‘conspiracy’ which resulted in his ouster via a no-confidence motion in April last year.

The PTI chairman made these remarks during an interview with the Voice of America English aired on Saturday and a separate televised address on Sunday. On both occasions, the former premier took swipes at the ex-chief of army staff, who, according to Imran Khan, was the source of all the crises plaguing Pakistan today.

“Whatever happened, now as things unfold, it wasn’t the US who told Pakistan [to oust me]. It was unfortunately, from what evidence has come up, [former army chief] Gen [Qamar Javed] Bajwa who somehow managed to tell the Americans that I was anti-American. And so, it [the plan to oust me] wasn’t imported from there. It was exported from here to there,” Mr Khan told VoA in a sharp U-turn from his previous position of blaming the US.


In the televised address, Imran Khan termed Gen Bajwa, who retired in November last year, ‘super king’ and admitted that his three-and-a-half-year stint in the Prime Minister’s Office was more like of a puppet.

“Gen Bajwa had become an expert of everything, including economy, politics, and foreign policy,” Mr Khan alleged.

“Gen Bajwa used to get the credit for good decisions and Imran Khan used to serve as a punching bag for every wrong decision,” Mr Khan claimed, alleging that the former army chief was responsible for the “political and economic ills” faced by the country today.

Imran Khan also slammed the former chief for hampering the process of accountability. The PTI chairman claimed Mr Bajwa had decided that there would be no accountability of Shehbaz Sharif as he had already taken a decision to elevate him as the prime minister. “No accountability was held thereafter,” he said and claimed that the former army chief had also acknowledged this in an interview with a columnist.

“If Bajwa could be criticised or [held] accountable for his actions, he would not have been able to damage the country to such an extent,” he added.

‘Elections only solution’

During the address, Imran Khan doubled down on his demand for elections in Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa following the dissolution of provincial assemblies. He believed that only fresh elections could drive Pakistan out of the current economic and political mess.

According to the PTI chief, the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) and the incumbent caretaker government were duty-bound to hold general elections in Punjab and KP within 90 days of the dissolution of the assemblies. “On the 91st day, the caretaker governments will cease to have constitutional cover,” he said, asking the bureaucrats and police officers to disobey the ‘unconstitutional caretaker government’ after the end of its three-month timeframe.

Mr Khan alleged that the Sharifs and Zardaris were afraid of elections as they first wanted to create a “level-playing field” by disqualifying him from contesting elections and then putting him in jail along with his party leadership.

“The ruling coalition in the federal government is afraid of one person and one party, which is Imran Khan and PTI, and wants to block us to get their NRO given to them by Gen Bajwa,” he alleged.

The former premier also went after the ECP and said the electoral watchdog was taking decisions on the “instructions of PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif”.

‘Stand with judges’

Claiming that the ‘mafias’ would now try to ‘pressurise the judiciary’, Mr Khan urged the nation to be ready to stand with the judges in these “trying times” as he linked the survival of the country with the supremacy of the rule of law.

“Statements have already started pouring in against the judiciary after its verdict directing the ECP to hold elections within 90 days,” he stated. It may be mentioned here that a single-member bench of the Lahore High Court has asked the ECP to consult the Punjab governor to ensure elections in Punjab are to be held in the constitutional timeframe.

Speaking about the IMF deal, Mr Khan said the government’s agreement with the Fund would open floodgates of inflation and push millions of people down the poverty line. Asserting that the Pakistan was rapidly growing in economic terms, the former prime minister said the IMF had in Feb 2022 – only six weeks before PTI government’s ouster – acknowledged that Pakistan’s economy was making record progress.

In the past 10 months, the PDM government has “shattered the economy” and almost every person has lost one-third of their income due to an increase in inflation owing to the wrong policies of the incumbent rulers, he added. “Who is responsible for shattering the economy showing robust improvement,” he asked.

‘Failure of security forces’

Talking to VoA, Imran Khan said international relationships should not be based on “personal egos” but on the interest of the country’s people. He was responding to questions about his approach towards the US upon a possible return to power and his allegations about the country’s involvement in his ouster.

“The people of Pakistan, their interest is that we have [a] good relationship with the US,” he said, explaining that it was a superpower and Pakistan’s biggest trading partner.

The PTI chairman blamed the “negligence” of Pakistan’s security forces and intelligence agencies for the rising incidents of terrorism in the country.

Published in Dawn, February 13th, 2023
 
IK's view is that the idea of removing him was exported to US by Gen. Bajwa and then it was imported from US to Pakistan to actually remove him and he said that the cipher is an reality. As far as I have understood this is not a typical U-turn, but more emphasis is being put on Gen. Bajwa. So how has he given clean chit to US?
 
Master of u turns strikes again for months him and his pti social media trolls were blaming us regime change donald lu the cipher .

Even the other day he was blaming terrorism on the military for his decision to bring 40000 people from Afghanistan ttp and resettle them.
Blamed the army for not negotiating with them.
When it was his goverment who bought these people back and didn't keep tabs on them.
 
LAHORE: After months of allegations, former prime minister Imran Khan has given a clean chit to the United States and instead held former army chief Qamar Javed Bajwa responsible for the ‘conspiracy’ which resulted in his ouster via a no-confidence motion in April last year.

The PTI chairman made these remarks during an interview with the Voice of America English aired on Saturday and a separate televised address on Sunday. On both occasions, the former premier took swipes at the ex-chief of army staff, who, according to Imran Khan, was the source of all the crises plaguing Pakistan today.

“Whatever happened, now as things unfold, it wasn’t the US who told Pakistan [to oust me]. It was unfortunately, from what evidence has come up, [former army chief] Gen [Qamar Javed] Bajwa who somehow managed to tell the Americans that I was anti-American. And so, it [the plan to oust me] wasn’t imported from there. It was exported from here to there,” Mr Khan told VoA in a sharp U-turn from his previous position of blaming the US.


In the televised address, Imran Khan termed Gen Bajwa, who retired in November last year, ‘super king’ and admitted that his three-and-a-half-year stint in the Prime Minister’s Office was more like of a puppet.

“Gen Bajwa had become an expert of everything, including economy, politics, and foreign policy,” Mr Khan alleged.

“Gen Bajwa used to get the credit for good decisions and Imran Khan used to serve as a punching bag for every wrong decision,” Mr Khan claimed, alleging that the former army chief was responsible for the “political and economic ills” faced by the country today.

Imran Khan also slammed the former chief for hampering the process of accountability. The PTI chairman claimed Mr Bajwa had decided that there would be no accountability of Shehbaz Sharif as he had already taken a decision to elevate him as the prime minister. “No accountability was held thereafter,” he said and claimed that the former army chief had also acknowledged this in an interview with a columnist.

“If Bajwa could be criticised or [held] accountable for his actions, he would not have been able to damage the country to such an extent,” he added.

‘Elections only solution’

During the address, Imran Khan doubled down on his demand for elections in Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa following the dissolution of provincial assemblies. He believed that only fresh elections could drive Pakistan out of the current economic and political mess.

According to the PTI chief, the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) and the incumbent caretaker government were duty-bound to hold general elections in Punjab and KP within 90 days of the dissolution of the assemblies. “On the 91st day, the caretaker governments will cease to have constitutional cover,” he said, asking the bureaucrats and police officers to disobey the ‘unconstitutional caretaker government’ after the end of its three-month timeframe.

Mr Khan alleged that the Sharifs and Zardaris were afraid of elections as they first wanted to create a “level-playing field” by disqualifying him from contesting elections and then putting him in jail along with his party leadership.

“The ruling coalition in the federal government is afraid of one person and one party, which is Imran Khan and PTI, and wants to block us to get their NRO given to them by Gen Bajwa,” he alleged.

The former premier also went after the ECP and said the electoral watchdog was taking decisions on the “instructions of PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif”.

‘Stand with judges’

Claiming that the ‘mafias’ would now try to ‘pressurise the judiciary’, Mr Khan urged the nation to be ready to stand with the judges in these “trying times” as he linked the survival of the country with the supremacy of the rule of law.

“Statements have already started pouring in against the judiciary after its verdict directing the ECP to hold elections within 90 days,” he stated. It may be mentioned here that a single-member bench of the Lahore High Court has asked the ECP to consult the Punjab governor to ensure elections in Punjab are to be held in the constitutional timeframe.

Speaking about the IMF deal, Mr Khan said the government’s agreement with the Fund would open floodgates of inflation and push millions of people down the poverty line. Asserting that the Pakistan was rapidly growing in economic terms, the former prime minister said the IMF had in Feb 2022 – only six weeks before PTI government’s ouster – acknowledged that Pakistan’s economy was making record progress.

In the past 10 months, the PDM government has “shattered the economy” and almost every person has lost one-third of their income due to an increase in inflation owing to the wrong policies of the incumbent rulers, he added. “Who is responsible for shattering the economy showing robust improvement,” he asked.

‘Failure of security forces’

Talking to VoA, Imran Khan said international relationships should not be based on “personal egos” but on the interest of the country’s people. He was responding to questions about his approach towards the US upon a possible return to power and his allegations about the country’s involvement in his ouster.

“The people of Pakistan, their interest is that we have [a] good relationship with the US,” he said, explaining that it was a superpower and Pakistan’s biggest trading partner.

The PTI chairman blamed the “negligence” of Pakistan’s security forces and intelligence agencies for the rising incidents of terrorism in the country.

Published in Dawn, February 13th, 2023

Dawn told what to say by Nanis media cell. Bajwa through Haqqani made the Americans mad, they then wanted IK removed. This has been obvious months.
 
ANOTHER U TURN :)))

Bajwa was neutral. Bajwa intervene when the VONC was to be called in October/November of 2021. Imran would than call a VOC immediately on the advice of Bajwa, and that's when MNAs like Amir Liaqut confirmed that they were not planning to come, but army and ISI forced them to come and vote.

Anyways, imran gave extension to bajwa. He may deal with what happened
 
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This is hilarious from Imran Khan.

On a serious note , we should absolutely feel sorry for the common Pakistani on the street. Between the inept and corrupt PDM and power hungry egalomaniac cult of PTI they are really caught in a difficult position. They desperately need new leaders emerging from grassroots.
 
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This guy should not even talk at all given the fact that he has totally wrecked Pakistan at Shahbaz Speed in the past ten months
 
So basically nobody on here has seen the video where he makes the assertion.

He essentially said Bajwa began to lobby against him using haqqani. The Americans bought it and gave the green light. That's what the cipher is all about. There are no uturns just more evidence of the conspiracy. Especially now Bajwa had admitted it.
 
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So basically nobody on here has seen the video where he makes the assertion.

He essentially said Bajwa began to lobby against him using haqqani. The Americans bought it and gave the green light. That's what the cipher is all about. There are no uturns just more evidence of the conspiracy. Especially now Bajwa had admitted it.

The usual suspects will decipher and propagate whatever they want to believe. No point arguing with them
 
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This is hilarious from Imran Khan.

On a serious note , we should absolutely feel sorry for the common Pakistani on the street. Between the inept and corrupt PDM and power hungry egalomaniac cult of PTI they are really caught in a difficult position. They desperately need new leaders emerging from grassroots.

Why cant Pakistan have an Arab spring like revolution?
 
Master of u turns strikes again for months him and his pti social media trolls were blaming us regime change donald lu the cipher .

Even the other day he was blaming terrorism on the military for his decision to bring 40000 people from Afghanistan ttp and resettle them.
Blamed the army for not negotiating with them.
When it was his goverment who bought these people back and didn't keep tabs on them.

Have you seen the video or are going on the Dawn report. It would be hilarious if you have watched it and then got Dawn to interpret it or you never watched it and then decided to make a fool of yourself. So which is it?
 
So basically nobody on here has seen the video where he makes the assertion.

He essentially said Bajwa began to lobby against him using haqqani. The Americans bought it and gave the green light. That's what the cipher is all about. There are no uturns just more evidence of the conspiracy. Especially now Bajwa had admitted it.

The OP thread title is poorly worded I agree with youe post
 
I said this on the other thread as well that this needed its own thread due to who actually initiated it ,which was the Establishment itself.

This means that US involvement has to be seen from a different lens and they actually didn’t really care until it was pushed by the Pakistani Establishment to make this happen.
 
He essentially said Bajwa began to lobby against him using haqqani. The Americans bought it and gave the green light. That's what the cipher is all about.

What does it mean when you say Americans gave the green light ? Why is their approval needed for a no-confidence motion, a domestic move, which is what brought down Imran Khan?
 
So basically nobody on here has seen the video where he makes the assertion.

He essentially said Bajwa began to lobby against him using haqqani. The Americans bought it and gave the green light. That's what the cipher is all about. There are no uturns just more evidence of the conspiracy. Especially now Bajwa had admitted it.

You are talking too much sense. The current PDM setup and their supporters need to take away something to feel a bit happy about. Now there is nothing on performance front that can remotely make them feel happy so why not target IK. On that front too twist IK's words and use our own analogy to explain what IK is saying. Basically PDM wants to be the interpreter for IK speeches, new low for PDM.
 
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What does it mean when you say Americans gave the green light ? Why is their approval needed for a no-confidence motion, a domestic move, which is what brought down Imran Khan?

Hammer. Nail. Head.

What has transpired is Imran lost confidence of his corrupt allys in the NA. He almost lost the confidence of the corrupt in Punjab Assembly but guess what...he teamed up with alternative corrupts ( Q league) to keep himself in power.

Why is he always pointing the finger at army, america etc and not so much the traitors that abandoned him?

Simple answer is that he will need them again to return to power.

He commits suicide in recent times with bad decisions/statements one after the other.
 
This is hilarious from Imran Khan.

On a serious note , we should absolutely feel sorry for the common Pakistani on the street. Between the inept and corrupt PDM and power hungry egalomaniac cult of PTI they are really caught in a difficult position. They desperately need new leaders emerging from grassroots.

PDM coalition grassroots are all a waste. They have no intelligence or political knowledge apart from personality politics.

PTI grassroots movement was one of the most dynamic political movements in Pakistan and perhaps the world. They rose up full of energy and passion to genuinley try and build a new Pakistan.

However many times young PTI activists were sidelines to make way for so called electables. This has happened time and time again and the results are there for all to see.

Yet there is no introspection around these decisions....the cult will spin anything and everything so much that they now resemble the PPP jiyalas or N supporters.
 
What does it mean when you say Americans gave the green light ? Why is their approval needed for a no-confidence motion, a domestic move, which is what brought down Imran Khan?

Yaar aap ko abhi bhi nahien sumuj...

Look you need to understand something about the establishment. It moves with the chief. Iron discipline. If the chief hates khan then everyone hated khan whether you want to or not. If chief wants to lick American boots everyone will. Bajwa sahib wanted to go back to the old ghissaa pita baba jee method of yank boot licking. The yanks are fully in with the establishment. They hated Kiyani because he played them.. they were worried about Raheel shareef but the TTP kept him busy. Bajwa was a lickspittle. A typical inferiority ka mara wa who couldn't handle someone like Khan.

After Khan's UN speech the yanks began to see him as a threat too. A strong leader of a Muslim nuke power. So when Bajwa gave them an opening they took it..its all part of the plan..or was..now its get rid of Khan no matter what..they are playing with us again and laughing at us..
 
Imran Khan needs to be drastic. Punjabis as a race aren't the sort to stir up a revolution (both sides of the border) so he really needs to go all out to at least try.

In this case, he should throw all of them under the bus instead of being selective. I'm sure both the army and the US (among other players) were involved.
 
More than USA the Saudi/UAE evil axis did not like Imran Khan

1) MBZ/MBS want Pakistan/Indonesia/Bangladesh to start relations with Israel, and open the way for Saudi Arabia to be the last major Muslim country to recognize them

2) MBZ worships Modi and RSS, and since they dont like IK, neither does he

3) IK would talk about Palestine along with Mahathir. Both of them were deposed as MBS/MBZ dont like Palestine being talked about. One of the most popular hashtags among Saudi and Emirati tweeters (all of whome are govt backed) is "Palestine is not our issue"


What Pakistanis need to remember is a Pakistani PM can stay in power even if America hates him, but he cannot stay if the Saudis dislike him
 
2) MBZ worships Modi and RSS, and since they dont like IK, neither does he

:)) funniest thing I read today.

How about a more rational line of though: India and Saudi have strong business ties and great diplomatic relationship thanks to Indian foreign policy (Modi or pre-Modi)

Pakistanis tie to Saudi seems to be religious ties and maybe a one way street like receiving funds or giving permission to Arabs to hunt endangered species.

You are searching for answers in the wrong place as usual.

Rest of your point not my issues, I will leave it to the rest to assess that.
 
ANOTHER U TURN :)))

Bajwa was neutral. Bajwa intervene when the VONC was to be called in October/November of 2021. Imran would than call a VOC immediately on the advice of Bajwa, and that's when MNAs like Amir Liaqut confirmed that they were not planning to come, but army and ISI forced them to come and vote.

Anyways, imran gave extension to bajwa. He may deal with what happened

You have trouble reading basic English so only read the headline?

Imran is saying Bajwa told the Yanks, the yanks then agreed with him to do what it takes. Ultimately the Yanks own Bawjas, Zardari, Sharifs backside, the end decision comes from them.
 
when they say jo kara raha hai umreeka kara raha hai, they are actually correct. In Pakistan nothing happens without the say so of the COAS and the COAS is always picked by the US.

Go figure!
 
:)) funniest thing I read today.

How about a more rational line of though: India and Saudi have strong business ties and great diplomatic relationship thanks to Indian foreign policy (Modi or pre-Modi)

Pakistanis tie to Saudi seems to be religious ties and maybe a one way street like receiving funds or giving permission to Arabs to hunt endangered species.

You are searching for answers in the wrong place as usual.

Rest of your point not my issues, I will leave it to the rest to assess that.

Your point is true about Saudi Arabia

I was speaking about MBZ, who is very anti Muslim Ummah
 
when they say jo kara raha hai umreeka kara raha hai, they are actually correct. In Pakistan nothing happens without the say so of the COAS and the COAS is always picked by the US.

Go figure!

How.. here the COAS wanted America to interfere..which has been the case since 1980s now..

It seems Pakistani Establishment has gotten used to the money from outside esp Western Nations/Saudi..
 
How.. here the COAS wanted America to interfere..which has been the case since 1980s now..

It seems Pakistani Establishment has gotten used to the money from outside esp Western Nations/Saudi..

That is the bitter truth. We built a monster of an army and now we need money for its upkeep and also for the lavish lives and retirements of the top echelons of our military establishment.
 
When you owe money to every tom , dick and harry it's easy to get manipulated. Why does USA not interfere in Indias politics???
 
Pakistanis don't care man they are lining up to get Tim Hortons so they can post on Facebook using their iPhones.
 
So is there a cipher for what Bajwa told the yanks or his work is enough for us to believe. So Yanks were never against IK. But Bajwa told them that his boy is no good.
 
If USA, India, courts, police, Israel, France, Army chief, politicians in Pakistan, ISI etc are all against Imran then maybe time to re-evaluate why that’s happening? It can’t be that Imran Khan and some of the overseas crowd and public that support him are the only remaining honest people in Pakistan. That itself is a huge red flag.
 
So is there a cipher for what Bajwa told the yanks or his work is enough for us to believe. So Yanks were never against IK. But Bajwa told them that his boy is no good.

No they were against him under Biden, Trump didnt have a problem. Bajwa was plotting to bring IK down back in 2019, Diesel said he was told to go home and was promised that IK would be replaced. Ind conflict got in the way soon after, then the Sazish started again but Corona got in the way. Do you remember when everyone said SS had come back to PM? Then IK keeps PK afloat when the World went to pot, so that sazish failed but Bajwa didnt stop. He convinced IK that they were on the same page but along the crook was planning against him. He couldnt wait any longer and he struck in 2022. And today he is locked away and cant walk the public and never will. Total humiliation for the loser.
 
Look you need to understand something about the establishment. It moves with the chief. Iron discipline. If the chief hates khan then everyone hated khan whether you want to or not. If chief wants to lick American boots everyone will. Bajwa sahib wanted to go back to the old ghissaa pita baba jee method of yank boot licking. The yanks are fully in with the establishment. They hated Kiyani because he played them.. they were worried about Raheel shareef but the TTP kept him busy. Bajwa was a lickspittle. A typical inferiority ka mara wa who couldn't handle someone like Khan.

That wasn't my question. Assuming Bajwa is a US stooge, as you allege .. what kind of a hold does the COAS exert over the politicians i.e the PTI allies that eventually abandoned the Imran Khan government ? Was Bajwa threatening them physicallly ? Giving them bribes to jump ship ?
 
Another U-turn by the Messiah :14:

I was never falling for this "imported government" nonsense. PTI fans never cease to amaze me with how gullible they really are. But hey you can always trust a Pakistani to fall for another conspiracy theory. Some things never change.

Pakistan can ill afford to create animosity with the most powerful state in the world as it's already an isolated country with few friends. What IK was doing when he was pointing the finger to the US publicly shows to me not only how deranged he is but how dangerous he is for Pakistan's best interests. He should have stuck to cricket and never gone into politics.
 
Another U-turn by the Messiah :14:

I was never falling for this "imported government" nonsense. PTI fans never cease to amaze me with how gullible they really are. But hey you can always trust a Pakistani to fall for another conspiracy theory. Some things never change.

Pakistan can ill afford to create animosity with the most powerful state in the world as it's already an isolated country with few friends. What IK was doing when he was pointing the finger to the US publicly shows to me not only how deranged he is but how dangerous he is for Pakistan's best interests. He should have stuck to cricket and never gone into politics.

Damn you're slow but your hatred of Pakistanis, Muslims and Imran Khan left you with little cells.

Bajwa went to the Yanks but in ultimately the Yanks decide and agreed with him to remove IK. You glee over your heros messing with a sovereign nation and we both know why.
 
If USA, India, courts, police, Israel, France, Army chief, politicians in Pakistan, ISI etc are all against Imran then maybe time to re-evaluate why that’s happening? It can’t be that Imran Khan and some of the overseas crowd and public that support him are the only remaining honest people in Pakistan. That itself is a huge red flag.

Imran Khan is not an honest guy. He never has been both at personal level and professional level. He may still be the best possible option on Pakistan politics but to assume he is a some sort of morally superior being is a grand delusion.
 
Imran Khan is not an honest guy. He never has been both at personal level and professional level. He may still be the best possible option on Pakistan politics but to assume he is a some sort of morally superior being is a grand delusion.

You think the Butcher of Gujrat is superiour? :sachin

Imran is a just a man, a sportsman who chose politics to help. He is more honest than any BJP politician in history. The country wants him in charge not any army general or any foreign nation.

ITs interesting Indians would hate on Pak army daily on here but since Bajwa, they wont even mind if a few their soldiers are taken out by Pak army,. Strange people imo.
 
He is more honest than any BJP politician in history. .


For direct quote go to 48 seconds :)

Also not to forget other viral video shared by the opposition government where they were praising Modi for donating his gifts to charities :)

Let me know if this is not enough will provide that next
 
You think the Butcher of Gujrat is superiour? :sachin

Imran is a just a man, a sportsman who chose politics to help. He is more honest than any BJP politician in history. The country wants him in charge not any army general or any foreign nation.

ITs interesting Indians would hate on Pak army daily on here but since Bajwa, they wont even mind if a few their soldiers are taken out by Pak army,. Strange people imo.

Yeah, Imran is a just man, that's why he disowns his own child in public, can't control his lust for power and women. In my mind the problem is with people who conveniently ignore such fallacies in his character. Looks like you belong to that group. And hence the suffering because you have put such people in God like status who are nothing but mortal beings.

And you usually don't have much arguments other than these off track comments with heavy dose of abstract religion. Since you brought it up, Imran is not even qualified to polish Modi's boots even though Modi is hardly a character to be proud of. That is Imran's level .
 
We need to stop treating Imran like a messiah. However the truth is at THIS very moment he is the best we have.
 
Imran Khan is not an honest guy. He never has been both at personal level and professional level. He may still be the best possible option on Pakistan politics but to assume he is a some sort of morally superior being is a grand delusion.

I feel he is relatively honest compared to the rest. However I think if Pakistan gets competent leadership Imran can be one of the best people to have in the opposition to constantly keep them in check. I don’t think he is competent enough to run things. As a PM you really don’t need to run everything, you need to have strong supporting core that takes cares of crisis.

I can only go with what I see in front of me but compare some of the people in Modi’s cabinet like Amit Shah, Gadkari, Jaishankar etc and compare their collective political acumen and experience in their domain to people around Imran Khan and gives you the picture. Even Biden has some of the most brilliant minds in America working for him. There are some really brilliant Pakistanis out there in the west especially in finance, medicine and economics fields . I just don’t see them currently working for either Imran Khan or the present leadership. That’s my take but before I get yelled at, it’s my honest outsider perspective. Take it for what it’s worth.
 
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Funny how the usuals show up to toss u-turn labels around but they will never ever be visible in the absolute circus of all threads which is PDM performance thread and any post Imran Pakistan discussion. How some people could be so outright shameless and just won't admit Imran was and is lightyears ahead of these clowns currently hijacking and running (aka ruining) the country.

Just like their leech corrupt Masters they will intentionally misinterpret and misrepresent uturn label to have a go and have their few moment of glory in the sinking ship that is current Pakistan government and Pakistan's wellbeing.
 
I feel he is relatively honest compared to the rest. However I think if Pakistan gets competent leadership Imran can be one of the best people to have in the opposition to constantly keep them in check. I don’t think he is competent enough to run things. As a PM you really don’t need to run everything, you need to have strong supporting core that takes cares of crisis.

I can only go with what I see in front of me but compare some of the people in Modi’s cabinet like Amit Shah, Gadkari, Jaishankar etc and compare their collective political acumen and experience in their domain to people around Imran Khan and gives you the picture. Even Biden has some of the most brilliant minds in America working for him. There are some really brilliant Pakistanis out there in the west especially in finance, medicine and economics fields . I just don’t see them currently working for either Imran Khan or the present leadership. That’s my take but before I get yelled at, it’s my honest outsider perspective. Take it for what it’s worth.

Also those brilliant Pakistanis in the west don’t want to work with Imran Or the opposition . Many were with him in the beginning but then he went wayward and they left. Later on there was a professor from Princeton atif mian but he turned out to be the wrong type of Muslim. So he had to go. I think imran khan is perfect as you say to sit in opposition and keep a check on the opposing ruling party ( given they are not ppp or plmq , but a component honest party)
 
Funny how the usuals show up to toss u-turn labels around but they will never ever be visible in the absolute circus of all threads which is PDM performance thread and any post Imran Pakistan discussion. How some people could be so outright shameless and just won't admit Imran was and is lightyears ahead of these clowns currently hijacking and running (aka ruining) the country.

Just like their leech corrupt Masters they will intentionally misinterpret and misrepresent uturn label to have a go and have their few moment of glory in the sinking ship that is current Pakistan government and Pakistan's wellbeing.
Who is supporting pdm here??
 
Its unfortunate but Imran has aged a lot in 1-2 years in recent interviews looks much older than did last year same time.

Reminds me of Obama aging that fast as well but while ruling.
 
Imran claims Bajwa asked him to condemn Russia after Putin agreed to sell Pakistan cheap fuel

Addressing intellectuals, religious scholars and students in a televised address from his Zaman Park residence on Monday, the former premier said he went to Russia and convinced President Vladimir Putin to give wheat and fuel at cheaper rates to Pakistan as being supplied to India.

Back home, he said, the former army chief asked him to condemn Russia for invading Ukraine.

“I told the former army chief that India, which is a strategic ally of the US, was staying neutral and Pakistan should also not get involved in the war between two countries,” Khan said and added that to his surprise, the former army chief himself condemned Russia at a security seminar “to appease the US”.

“With the support of Russia, India reduced its inflation from 7.5 per cent to 5.5pc, but Pakistan’s inflation rate rose from 12pc to 30pc.

“No system was allowed to prevail in Pakistan that could bring the powerful under the law and protect the fundamental rights of the weak,” he said.

Citing example of Singapore, Mr Khan said the country increased its per capita income to $60,000 after punishing its corrupt ministers and looters of national exchequer.

“In Pakistan, per capita income reduced to $2,000 just because it [the system] protected the looters and criminals for being powerful,” he said.

“Pakistan will have no bright future, if the powerful continued going scot-free after looting the country,” the former premier asserted.

DAWN
 
Saudi always cares about the leadership in 2 countries, Egypt and Pakistan

They want leaders there who would keep Turkey/Iran at arms length, not speak too much about palestine, be open to accept Israel, and never differ from MBS on any point in global situation

Sisi is a dream for Saudis as he cracked down on Islamic people and loves Israel and has cracked down on Gaza
 
Finally he admitted the truth that he was a puppet in the hands of Bajwa all along..

I think that's an idiotic way of saying it. IK was naive and inexperienced but not stupid. Bajwa thought he was some super genius. An economist a general a politician sub kuch..but ultimately he wasn't good at any of it. Once IK started pushing back he became persona non grata. His choice was showbaaz speed who we all now see is beyond incompetent.
 
IK could be right that Bajwa caused his ouster but he shouldn't forget that he would never have been the PM in the first place if not for Bajwa. Bajwa giveth, Bajwa taketh!
 
Information Minister Marriyum Aurangzeb on Tuesday castigated Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan over ‘double standards’, saying that the former premier was ‘super corrupt’ if former chief of army staff (COAS) Gen retd Qamar Javed Bajwa was ‘super king’, ARY News reported on Tuesday.

Addressing a press conference in Islamabad, the information minister claimed that the incumbent rulers defended their cases by visiting courts regularly while Imran Khan was not answerable to court in Billion Tree Tsunami, Toshakhana and other corruption cases.

Marriyum Aurangzeb lambasted the PTI chairman for making ‘bogus cases’ against his political opponents, saying that cases like Israr Saeed were exposing Imran’s reality every passing day.
 
IK could be right that Bajwa caused his ouster but he shouldn't forget that he would never have been the PM in the first place if not for Bajwa. Bajwa giveth, Bajwa taketh!
Correct and hilarious last line
 
IK could be right that Bajwa caused his ouster but he shouldn't forget that he would never have been the PM in the first place if not for Bajwa. Bajwa giveth, Bajwa taketh!

Bajwa cost PTI atleast 20 more seats what are you on about
 
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Correct and hilarious last line

Comment on things you understand-Correct in what sense. This rubbish has been answered on many occasions. Can you name seats that Bajwa helped IK to win? The loser stopped the likes of khwaja Asif, Rana the Qatil from losing because he shut the RTS DOWN. IK lost seats and these thugs know it, and the reason was as [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] to create a weak govt dependent on the Bajwa.
 
If you think the army did not push election a bit in favor of imran khan than you are blind. This coming from someone who hates pdm and the army . Not the biggest fan of imran either but I would vote for him. The army tilted the favor for him.
 
IK could be right that Bajwa caused his ouster but he shouldn't forget that he would never have been the PM in the first place if not for Bajwa. Bajwa giveth, Bajwa taketh!

Live by the khakiz, die by the khakiz.

If Imran was an honest politician, he wouldn't allied himself with compromised legislators and made himself PM. This was naked lust for power.
 
Very interesting to see how he is testing the embarrassment threshold of everyone believing in every word of what he says. Fools. He is not messiah. He is a politician. He has to play the game to get elected.
 
Live by the khakiz, die by the khakiz.

If Imran was an honest politician, he wouldn't allied himself with compromised legislators and made himself PM. This was naked lust for power.

He is a politician . That’s what they do. All of them. Get elected by any means possible
 
Very interesting to see how he is testing the embarrassment threshold of everyone believing in every word of what he says. Fools. He is not messiah. He is a politician. He has to play the game to get elected.

Bajwa has admitted to what IK said. So the only ones embarrassed are the clowns that said IK was lying, its worse than what he claimed after what Bajwa said today. Remember you and your ilk claimed there was no regime change and the corrupt guys came together without being forced( as we learnt later from Javed Latif). Do you want to apologise for the disaster that has become of PK economy because clowns like you supported criminals
 
If you think the army did not push election a bit in favor of imran khan than you are blind. This coming from someone who hates pdm and the army . Not the biggest fan of imran either but I would vote for him. The army tilted the favor for him.

It did no such thing. It stopped IK winning the election, NS was guilty as hell and was according to Bajwa disqualified because he was guilty. If Bajwa, a guy that is his personal servant couldnt save him, then you know he was guilty
 
It did no such thing. It stopped IK winning the election, NS was guilty as hell and was according to Bajwa disqualified because he was guilty. If Bajwa, a guy that is his personal servant couldnt save him, then you know he was guilty

Nobody wins elections in Pakistan with the approval of the army. Nobody. Same applies to imran khan
 
Bajwa has admitted to what IK said. So the only ones embarrassed are the clowns that said IK was lying, its worse than what he claimed after what Bajwa said today. Remember you and your ilk claimed there was no regime change and the corrupt guys came together without being forced( as we learnt later from Javed Latif). Do you want to apologise for the disaster that has become of PK economy because clowns like you supported criminals

Ik was following the same economic model of taking loans from imf and Saudi deferred payments

It was he who did u turn on the imf programme with the fuel subsidy .

If ik was in power and not ousted he would be in the same predicament because of lng prices and worldwide inflation caused by the ukraine war.

It was ik who signed the current imf agreement and ik even said the agreement that pdm is signing they have no other option.

Just like sethi is cleaning the mess in pcb

Munshi has his work cut out cleaning the mess of ik .
 
Ik was following the same economic model of taking loans from imf and Saudi deferred payments

It was he who did u turn on the imf programme with the fuel subsidy .

If ik was in power and not ousted he would be in the same predicament because of lng prices and worldwide inflation caused by the ukraine war.

It was ik who signed the current imf agreement and ik even said the agreement that pdm is signing they have no other option.

Just like sethi is cleaning the mess in pcb

Munshi has his work cut out cleaning the mess of ik .

IK had balanced the books on current expenditure, increased tax revenue to a record level, increased exports by a 1/3rd, got our textile industry back on its feet and whats more we led the world in our tackling of corona and a method which became a model for the world.
This rubbish you keep spouting about the fuel subsidy being the ill of your economic mismanagement shows your total illiteracy on this matter.
The fact the Miftah has said that Dars disaster is the reason we have no reserves and no bargaining power. Its estimated by Miftah that Dar has cost $7bn, that is double our reserves. So you need to find some other illiterate goat herders like yourself, Nani and Dar and tell them the success story. PK has had enough of your crooks and their pathetic games. Its the reason the losers are running piller to post avoid elections.
 
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Ik was following the same economic model of taking loans from imf and Saudi deferred payments

It was he who did u turn on the imf programme with the fuel subsidy .

If ik was in power and not ousted he would be in the same predicament because of lng prices and worldwide inflation caused by the ukraine war.

It was ik who signed the current imf agreement and ik even said the agreement that pdm is signing they have no other option.

Just like sethi is cleaning the mess in pcb

Munshi has his work cut out cleaning the mess of ik .

Btw
I like the joke about Sethi- lets have more zoom and teams coaches. Lets hire selectors that last a week or in Kamis case resign before even starting:14::14::14::14::14::14:, or thugs like Shakil :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

This is what the losers are all about. Not only have they destroyed every institution, they are likes clowns trying to run a circus but failing badly
 
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I am no pdm fan. But have you seen the people imran khan selected . Minister of technology?? Chief minister of Punjab ? Ramens raja ? Don’t you consider all these guys incompetent also?
 
Yeah, Imran is a just man, that's why he disowns his own child in public, can't control his lust for power and women. In my mind the problem is with people who conveniently ignore such fallacies in his character. Looks like you belong to that group. And hence the suffering because you have put such people in God like status who are nothing but mortal beings.

And you usually don't have much arguments other than these off track comments with heavy dose of abstract religion. Since you brought it up, Imran is not even qualified to polish Modi's boots even though Modi is hardly a character to be proud of. That is Imran's level .

Modi has never shown his wife on camera, many think he bats for the other team and its not Pakistan .

Muslims like myself never elevate a human to God status, this is what some have done to Sachin in India, where is worshipped with his photo on a silver plate with yellow flowers spun in a circular motion.

Of course you and your fellow Indian citizens hate Imran because he speaks the truth and esp the truth about your RSS extremist government.

No offence India hasnt had a man like IK in its history and never will.
 
Modi has never shown his wife on camera, many think he bats for the other team and its not Pakistan .

Muslims like myself never elevate a human to God status, this is what some have done to Sachin in India, where is worshipped with his photo on a silver plate with yellow flowers spun in a circular motion.

Of course you and your fellow Indian citizens hate Imran because he speaks the truth and esp the truth about your RSS extremist government.

No offence India hasnt had a man like IK in its history and never will.

To be honest Indians are also happy with Imran Khan running the show in Pakistan. All the best.
 
IK had balanced the books on current expenditure, increased tax revenue to a record level, increased exports by a 1/3rd, got our textile industry back on its feet and whats more we led the world in our tackling of corona and a method which became a model for the world.
This rubbish you keep spouting about the fuel subsidy being the ill of your economic mismanagement shows your total illiteracy on this matter.
The fact the Miftah has said that Dars disaster is the reason we have no reserves and no bargaining power. Its estimated by Miftah that Dar has cost $7bn, that is double our reserves. So you need to find some other illiterate goat herders like yourself, Nani and Dar and tell them the success story. PK has had enough of your crooks and their pathetic games. Its the reason the losers are running piller to post avoid elections.

The fuel subsidy under pti was from March 1 to April 9, 2022.

If the PDM truly felt it was a bad populist decision then they should have had the balls to reverse it immediately upon resuming power. However they didn't and they continued with the subsidy themselves till June 2022 when they had no choice but to reverse it.
 
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