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“If Pakistan doesn't take part in the World Cup in India next year, who will watch it?": Ramiz Raja

sam_ahm said:
Ok folks, Please Boycott and isolate yourself. I'm sure ICC and BCCI and all cricket boards will come crying and ask Pakistan to not boycott the event. Go ahead ������
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It's very sad to see how many Indians are squealing into their keyboards at the prospect of a WC without Pakistan.

The Modi government has done such a wonderful job on your thought processes. So many of you have forgotten this is not politics, this is cricket. India currently has a choice between normalised global cricketing relations or forcing a significant cricketing nation to consider boycotting 4 out 9 ICC events.

You might end up on the right side of the outcome financially, but you are choosing wrong. That last part seems to show that too many Indians are too far gone these days.
 
hitthestump said:
It's very sad to see how many Indians are squealing into their keyboards at the prospect of a WC without Pakistan.

The Modi government has done such a wonderful job on your thought processes. So many of you have forgotten this is not politics, this is cricket. India currently has a choice between normalised global cricketing relations or forcing a significant cricketing nation to consider boycotting 4 out 9 ICC events.

You might end up on the right side of the outcome financially, but you are choosing wrong. That last part seems to show that too many Indians are too far gone these days.
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I'm not saying Pakistan should not play the WC, personally I absolutely want them to play, but it is their decision at the end of the day, and I do not have any political preference for any party.

The bottom line here is that it is a stupid statement by the chairman of PCB and the only thing it will do is isolate Pakistan cricket, it is like shooting yourself in the foot. Believe me it will not matter one bit to the cricketing world. If you are still so naive to think that WC will get hugely impacted, then you are headed for disappointment.

A better statement would have been to say "Pakistan will also not travel to India for future Asia Cups"
 
Ok, tell me one thing Pakistan fans.

What would you prefer, Pakistan boycotting the World Cup OR Pakistan winning the World Cup on indian soil?
 
sam_ahm said:
Ok, tell me one thing Pakistan fans.

What would you prefer, Pakistan boycotting the World Cup OR Pakistan winning the World Cup on indian soil?
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Pakistan boycotting the World Cup = instant, definite effect.
Pakistan winning the World Cup on indian soil = delayed, conditional effect.
 
anand99 said:
I personally don't agree with the reasoning of the Indian governments stance. I think their reasoning for not going to Pakistan seems to be incorrectly stated. But I can actually understand if the players refuse to go due to their safety. I don't care if Australia or England went to Pakistan to play. The risk for Indians is far greater on their life. If an assassination attempt were to occur the bad guys only need to be right once and some really big names in Indian cricket could be gone forever. Please understand I am not saying all of Pakistan is dangerous or any other negative insinuations about Pakistanis. I am staying that one mistake and all of them could pay with their lives. Do I trust Pakistan to protect them? No. Sorry but it's virtually impossible. I would state the same about India. Security apparatus in both countries is subpar. It is simply not worth taking this risk for any of these players. Just think about it. The bad guys would love to make a statement of killing of Kohli. It's as simple as that. Is it worth it for Kohli to risk his life over this. Not at all. So, while I completely disagree with the Indian governments stance on this, I don't think the players need to take this risk. I would fully understand if they said no thanks.
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there are many hinduvta nut heads present in India too... have they all written you a MOU that they wont act funny?
 
and obviously i am not stating all indians are terrorists either... but anything can happen if God forbid a nutcase decides to attack Pakistani team, and off late we are easily beating your team so thats more fuel to the nut heads...
 
Hope Ramiz will not Take any U Turn .a world cup without Pakistan so we will see the outcome of ratings , revenue etc .this gives us clear picture for future tournament . But i don't see this happening at all . ramiz will take u turn and Pakistan will play in world cup .
 
reversehook said:
and obviously i am not stating all indians are terrorists either... but anything can happen if God forbid a nutcase decides to attack Pakistani team, and off late we are easily beating your team so thats more fuel to the nut heads...
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Stop caring so much about india sir .last news I was seen that imran khan attacked in Pakistan so first Stop those attacked on cricketing legend
 
I am genuinely curious what is Ramiz Raja trying to achieve out of this?

One thing for sure, India won't be touring Pakistan for Asia cup. BCCI will give the following reasons:

1. Govt of India is not giving permission to travel due to present political situation. It is not as if India is saying Pakistan is unsafe to play cricket for other teams but just that India team wont be travelling due to geo political issues.

2. Last two editions of Asia cup was successfully held in neutral venues. So a template being created for Asia cups being played elsewhere. If BCCI didnt had problem in 2018, SLCB didnt had problem in 2022, what possibly can be the issue for PCB in 2024?

I think above reasons are enough to justify shifting Asia cup in a neutral venue.

But if PCB is still adamant, then India will pull out of the tournament. If this is the case (i.e Asia cup without India), PCB will incur a loss even if it is hosted in Pakistan. Lets be honest, Asia cup is all about Ind-Pak games and other matches are meaningless. A sensible PCB chief would gladly accept hosting it in neutral venues with India playing and making profit rather than forcing it to be played in Pakistan by taking losses.

Now what will be the reasoning from PCB for not participating in the world cup in India? Have they ever thought what will be its repurcussions? As far as I know, Pak govt has never said their cricket team wont travel India. So the only excuse Ramiz can give is - since they didnt come to Pakistan for Asia cup, we wont be going either. This *** for tat attitude is not only childish but also wrong for any business and will only harm PCB.

Lets assume Pakistan dosen't travel, then what happens next? World cup will still go ahead but ICC will incur a loss since one team is not participating. Considering the world cup is in India, where people even watch England-Ireland game in large numbers, the loss will not be as huge as Ramiz is hoping. But this move will make ICC really angry and they will put sanctions on Pak cricket team by taking away the hosting right of Champions trophy 2025 and perhaps any in near future.

Pakistan has not hosted any ICC event since 1996. Now when finally they have the opportunity, does it make sense to ruin it just for a silly Asia cup?

I can understand the emotional trantrums from posters here but the position Ramiz Raja is in he should be more pragmatic. Being jazbaati and throwing toys out of the pram is not the way to run a cricket board. Situations in front of PCB is clear:

1) Asia Cup in Pakistan (without India) - PCB will incur loss.

2) Asia Cup in neutral venue (with India) - PCB will make profit

3) World cup in India (with Pakistan) - Pakistan has the chance to beat India in India and lift the world cup in Narendra Modi stadium. They also get to host CT 2025, first ICC event after 29 years.

4) World cup in India (without Pakistan) - minimum loss for ICC but possibility of sanctions to PCB and taking away all future ICC event rights

Any sensible man would take option 2 & 3 from above.

Pakistan team is on a rise, first time since Wasim-Waqar era. This is not the time to get jazbaati but rather take wise decisions that would make profit to the board and use that money for betterment of Pakistan cricket.

This is my honest assessment of the situation.
 
Major said:
Gate receipts are nothing. Real money is the deals thats broadcasters sign with board. In return, the broadcaster will make money from the subscriptions and advertisements they run.

We all know that when Pak vs India match is on, the ad space prices shoot up. Its like how ad space in the super bowl is very expensive and many brands look for that particular window to broadcast their ad and are willing to pay top dollar.

If PCB boycotts the World Cup, BCCI's broadcasters would be furious, and they will not be willing to pay top dollar to broadcast BCCI games, because the cash cow wont be there, so the potential value to gain would be much less.

This is exactly what happened with PCB when they used to sign deals with Ten Sports.
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Wait till the amount of money a broadcaster pays for the ICC rights for the pakistan territory is revealed. Then make these claims.

India territory got sold for $3.2 bn.
 
'Wait for the right time': Sports Minister Anurag Thakur's brutal reply to Ramiz Raja's explosive remark

Ramiz clarified his stance that Pakistan won't travel to India for the ODI World Cup in 2023 if India don't come for the Asia Cup. The comments created quite a stir before India's Union Sports Minister Anurag Thakur reacted with a brutal response.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief Ramiz Raja on Friday made an explosive statement in reaction to BCCI secretary and Asian Cricket Council (ACC) president Jay Shah's comment last month that Team India players won't be allowed to go to Pakistan for the Asia Cup next year while further adding that he wants the venue to be changed to UAE. While PCB had countered the statement last month, Ramiz clarified his stance that Pakistan won't travel to India for the ODI World Cup in 2023 if India don't come for the Asia Cup. The comments created quite a stir before India's Union Sports Minister Anurag Thakur reacted with a brutal response.

Speaking to Urdu News on Friday, more than a month after Shah's bombshell statement, Ramiz said, “If Pakistan doesn't take part in the World Cup scheduled in India next year, who will watch it? We have a clear stand: If the Indian team comes here then we will go for the World Cup. If they don't come then they can play the World Cup without us. We will adopt an aggressive approach. Our team is showing performance. I've always said we need to improve the economy of Pakistan cricket, and that can only happen when we perform well. In the 2021 T20 World Cup, we beat India. We beat India in the T20 Asia Cup. In one year, the Pakistan cricket team defeated a billion dollar economy team twice."

When asked about Ramiz's comment, Thakur sent out a stern message saying that no country can avoid India, who are now a major power in world sports.

“Wait for the right time. India is a major power in the world of sports & no country can overlook India,” he told ANI.

BCCI is yet to make a statement on Ramiz's remark while ACC are yet to hold a meeting on Jay Shah's statement on venue change.

Hindustan Times
 
Rajdeep said:
I am genuinely curious what is Ramiz Raja trying to achieve out of this?

One thing for sure, India won't be touring Pakistan for Asia cup. BCCI will give the following reasons:

1. Govt of India is not giving permission to travel due to present political situation. It is not as if India is saying Pakistan is unsafe to play cricket for other teams but just that India team wont be travelling due to geo political issues.

2. Last two editions of Asia cup was successfully held in neutral venues. So a template being created for Asia cups being played elsewhere. If BCCI didnt had problem in 2018, SLCB didnt had problem in 2022, what possibly can be the issue for PCB in 2024?

I think above reasons are enough to justify shifting Asia cup in a neutral venue.

But if PCB is still adamant, then India will pull out of the tournament. If this is the case (i.e Asia cup without India), PCB will incur a loss even if it is hosted in Pakistan. Lets be honest, Asia cup is all about Ind-Pak games and other matches are meaningless. A sensible PCB chief would gladly accept hosting it in neutral venues with India playing and making profit rather than forcing it to be played in Pakistan by taking losses.

Now what will be the reasoning from PCB for not participating in the world cup in India? Have they ever thought what will be its repurcussions? As far as I know, Pak govt has never said their cricket team wont travel India. So the only excuse Ramiz can give is - since they didnt come to Pakistan for Asia cup, we wont be going either. This *** for tat attitude is not only childish but also wrong for any business and will only harm PCB.

Lets assume Pakistan dosen't travel, then what happens next? World cup will still go ahead but ICC will incur a loss since one team is not participating. Considering the world cup is in India, where people even watch England-Ireland game in large numbers, the loss will not be as huge as Ramiz is hoping. But this move will make ICC really angry and they will put sanctions on Pak cricket team by taking away the hosting right of Champions trophy 2025 and perhaps any in near future.

Pakistan has not hosted any ICC event since 1996. Now when finally they have the opportunity, does it make sense to ruin it just for a silly Asia cup?

I can understand the emotional trantrums from posters here but the position Ramiz Raja is in he should be more pragmatic. Being jazbaati and throwing toys out of the pram is not the way to run a cricket board. Situations in front of PCB is clear:

1) Asia Cup in Pakistan (without India) - PCB will incur loss.

2) Asia Cup in neutral venue (with India) - PCB will make profit

3) World cup in India (with Pakistan) - Pakistan has the chance to beat India in India and lift the world cup in Narendra Modi stadium. They also get to host CT 2025, first ICC event after 29 years.

4) World cup in India (without Pakistan) - minimum loss for ICC but possibility of sanctions to PCB and taking away all future ICC event rights

Any sensible man would take option 2 & 3 from above.

Pakistan team is on a rise, first time since Wasim-Waqar era. This is not the time to get jazbaati but rather take wise decisions that would make profit to the board and use that money for betterment of Pakistan cricket.

This is my honest assessment of the situation.
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5. Even if the government give the permission most of the player wont travel.
No one risk their lives.
 
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sam_ahm said:
Ok, tell me one thing Pakistan fans.

What would you prefer, Pakistan boycotting the World Cup OR Pakistan winning the World Cup on indian soil?
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This is not the issue.

Its about self respect, not winning or losing.

If Indians dont want to play in Pak, the same should apply to Pak playing in India.

Good on Ramiz, finally someone with courage. Hope he sticks to this.
 
ex-q-zit said:
Agree with you. We toured Pak in 2007 when the internL security situation was much worse. Definitely player security cannot be a reason especially with the presidential level security provided.
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India Pakistan relationship is worse.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
If you have such big hearts then just shift the tournament to another country like India did for the 2018 Asia Cup. :srini:
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Theres no reason to move it thats why, Pakistan doesnt have any issues hosting it like india did in 2018
 
Farabi said:
As a cricket fan, I appreciate you saying this. It’s much more sensible and fair than some of the other Indian posters who are are taunting Pak, which in this case is the bullied/aggrieved party. I was deprived of watching my own team for 10 years and I don’t want that anymore. If SENA can visit Pak, I fail to understand why India can’t.

I don’t agree with your overall conclusion though. Pak is one of the safest south Asian countries today.

Eng and Aus didn’t visit Pak after 2005 but India continued to visit Pakistan until 2008 Asia cup without any issues whatsoever. It’s even better now as evident by Eng/Aus making it out here and having a fantastic time, and there is no threat to the Indian team. And Indian government, BCCI, and support staff know that.

The same argument can me made that anti-Pakistan elements within India can attack or kill babar. You’re yourself admitting that security apparatus is subpar in both countries. So should Pak also not risk sending a team to India? Should Pak trust India to protect Pakistani players?

Absolutely Pak should send the team and trust that India will protect our players. Risks are everywhere, but the show must go on as it has for decades.

Ultimately, this hard-line BJP stance of isolating Pakistan is clearly not working anymore as evident by the strides Pak has made in last 5 years. It’s time BJP accepts the writing on the wall and let India team show up one day or another, as the world is not stupid, everyone knows what BJP’s goals are but the world is not aligned with it. More sensible voices like yours are needed to bring a sense of friendliness and love between the 2 countries rather than hate and division.
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To respond to your and someone else's question about whether India is safe for Pakistanis, that is for you and your team to decide and take decisions accordingly. IMO, would I trust the Indian security forces to safeguard them, probably not. As I said earlier the security apparatus in both countries is subpar and nobody can give any guarantees. It only takes the bad guys being right once to cause loss of life. You talked about other countries touring Pakistan, as they do India as well, but it is not the same. The risk and the reward for terrorists to stage something and make a statement is too high with high profile Indian cricketers. I am sure it's the same for Pakistanis going to India and that is just reality. At the end of the day, both countries are in this position because of our inabilities to raise our voices against extremism. The silent majority is held hostage by a very violent and extremist minority and we all pay the price for it. I don't really care about the Indian governments stance on this issue or the BCCI, but if you ask me do I have confidence in the Indian players going to Pakistan and being safe. No, absolutely not. They would be gambling with their lives. You may feel the same the other way around and you would probably be right as well.
 
For starters Pakistanis won't watch it. This itself will cause the ICC massive problems in many ways when one of the most well supported major sides chooses not to participate. I just hope Pak stands by it's view instead of changing it. The fight is on!:sharjeel
 
Anurag Thakur responded to Ramiz Raja's claims in an interview with ANI by stating, "Wait for the right time. India is a major power in the world of sports & no country can overlook India. Over the years, India has undoubtedly established themselves as one of the biggest powerhouses in cricket, having gained the rights to host three of the next big ICC events. No other country has been given the right to even host two of these ICC events."
 
Rana said:
Relax man

Ramiz’s PCB can’t wrestle Kamran and Amir

BCCI se kya panga lenghe ye?
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Where is the need for Panga?

India Pakistan didn't play bilateral s for years during from 1987. Yet the two boards managed back room negotiations.

Now with these statements, BCCI will look like a joker if they agree to go to Pakistan for Asia cup 2023.
 
hitthestump said:
It's very sad to see how many Indians are squealing into their keyboards at the prospect of a WC without Pakistan.

The Modi government has done such a wonderful job on your thought processes. So many of you have forgotten this is not politics, this is cricket. India currently has a choice between normalised global cricketing relations or forcing a significant cricketing nation to consider boycotting 4 out 9 ICC events.

You might end up on the right side of the outcome financially, but you are choosing wrong. That last part seems to show that too many Indians are too far gone these days.
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Plz tell that to your govt. Where they don't even telecast the Indian anthem before the match.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Where is the need for Panga?

India Pakistan didn't play bilateral s for years during from 1987. Yet the two boards managed back room negotiations.

Now with these statements, BCCI will look like a joker if they agree to go to Pakistan for Asia cup 2023.
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It’s the clown Ramiz Raja who doesn’t think before speaking. He is obsessed with self image.

I hope PM Shahbaz Sharif removes him as a result of this. In return, I hope BCCI reciprocates the move by coming to the table (behind closed doors) and the two boards come towards an amicable agreement.
 
Cricket is an Indian sport. It survives today with at the very least 80% of the global fan base of the sport being Indian.

The IPL is proof that they do not need an international audience to be successful. Stupid comment from Ramiz.
 
Saj said:
Anurag Thakur responded to Ramiz Raja's claims in an interview with ANI by stating, "Wait for the right time. India is a major power in the world of sports & no country can overlook India. Over the years, India has undoubtedly established themselves as one of the biggest powerhouses in cricket, having gained the rights to host three of the next big ICC events. No other country has been given the right to even host two of these ICC events."
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What a pathetic man, making silly threats lol.

India is a 3rd world nation, its only rich in cricket as its 1.5 billion people only play ONE sport properly.

Pakistan cricket will see little harm apart from losing some money from this ICC tournament.
 
Rana said:
It’s the clown Ramiz Raja who doesn’t think before speaking. He is obsessed with self image.

I hope PM Shahbaz Sharif removes him as a result of this. In return, I hope BCCI reciprocates the move by coming to the table (behind closed doors) and the two boards come towards an amicable agreement.
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Why bro?

If India wont come to Pak, why should Pak go to Bollywood?

Cricket is a sport, self respect is part of your identity.
 
Rajdeep said:
I am with Ramiz Raja in this noble endeavour. Infact most Indians are with him on this. I hope Pakistan dosen't come to India to play 2023 world cup. Thank you.

#WeAreInThisTogether

:kp
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You don’t speak for most Indians. Most Indians are very sensible and don’t hate Pakistanis. And most Pakistanis are sensible and don’t hate Indians.
Any cricket fan would like to see all teams participate. And any sensible, good-hearted person would root for amazing relationships b/w neighboring countries. Say no to BJP propaganda plz!
 
KingKhanWC said:
Why bro?

If India wont come to Pak, why should Pak go to Bollywood?

Cricket is a sport, self respect is part of your identity.
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India will come if we don’t try to Peeve each other off. There are ways of doing things. Sending out threats isn’t the right way.

Both Jay Shah and Ramiz have acted stupidly here especially at a time when it seemed both boards were making good progress at resuming good ties.
 
NishanKonar said:
Its nothing to do with bully. Its about events that happened in Mumbai on this very day 14 years back

Like I have said in the past - most Pakistanis never understood the gravity of 26/11 and its imprint on the psyche of Indians towards Pakistan. Anyways that's a debate for another day

Point is no way India will play any cricket match in Pakistan unless there are big changes in policy and govt relations - which is very unlikely given the current circumstances on both sides of the border. Better for Pakistan to accept this and move ahead. Its unfortunate from Pakistan's POV but it is what it is
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Then why did India invite Pak for “Aane Do” series in 2012?
This has nothing to do with any imprinting and everything to do with current politics, as some powers that be are benefiting from dividing me and you, and cricket loving nations. Don’t fall for it.
 
"India a major power in the world of Sports" according to Anurag Thakur is why they are setting the FIFA World Cup alight like they do the Olympics, Rugby, Tennis and Golf! It is incredible how deluded Indian's like him are. Overall they are absolutely nothing in Sports at all. Even at Cricket I feel their power is gradually diminishing in the sense that they can no longer stop other sides from visiting Pakistan. Now Rambo Raja is also showing them his red eyes:ashwin
 
sam_ahm said:
Ok, tell me one thing Pakistan fans.

What would you prefer, Pakistan boycotting the World Cup OR Pakistan winning the World Cup on indian soil?
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Pakistan cannot win the world cup on Indian soil and then expect to come back unharmed.
 
anand99 said:
To respond to your and someone else's question about whether India is safe for Pakistanis, that is for you and your team to decide and take decisions accordingly. IMO, would I trust the Indian security forces to safeguard them, probably not. As I said earlier the security apparatus in both countries is subpar and nobody can give any guarantees. It only takes the bad guys being right once to cause loss of life. You talked about other countries touring Pakistan, as they do India as well, but it is not the same. The risk and the reward for terrorists to stage something and make a statement is too high with high profile Indian cricketers. I am sure it's the same for Pakistanis going to India and that is just reality. At the end of the day, both countries are in this position because of our inabilities to raise our voices against extremism. The silent majority is held hostage by a very violent and extremist minority and we all pay the price for it. I don't really care about the Indian governments stance on this issue or the BCCI, but if you ask me do I have confidence in the Indian players going to Pakistan and being safe. No, absolutely not. They would be gambling with their lives. You may feel the same the other way around and you would probably be right as well.
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I respect this point of view. It’s true anything can happen in life. But think about it, by giving up, who is winning? Ultimately it’s the silent majority that is losing, the cricket fraternity is losing. We shouldn’t let extremists win and ensure that sports becomes a bridge between the 2 beautiful countries.
 
Rana said:
India will come if we don’t try to Peeve each other off. There are ways of doing things. Sending out threats isn’t the right way.

Both Jay Shah and Ramiz have acted stupidly here especially at a time when it seemed both boards were making good progress at resuming good ties.
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Yes. Ramiz has dealt with this issue so immaturely. He makes such cringeworthy statements like “who will watch Indian cricket”, “we beat billion dollar industry”. Lol
His antics have ensured India is not coming for Asia cup.
 
Let's say Asia Cup is shifted to a neutral venue and Pakistan goes ahead and participates in WC23 in India.

What guarantees that India won't back out when its their turn to participate in CT25 in Pakistan?
 
KingKhanWC said:
What a pathetic man, making silly threats lol.

India is a 3rd world nation, its only rich in cricket as its 1.5 billion people only play ONE sport properly.

Pakistan cricket will see little harm apart from losing some money from this ICC tournament.
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Rameez Raja is pathetic man, making silly threats.

Pakistan is a 3rd world nation, which is living on bailouts and at the risk of defaulting. It is not even rich in cricket despite 200mn plus playing that one game.

Indian cricket will see no harm and lose no money from this boycott.
 
Farabi said:
Then why did India invite Pak for “Aane Do” series in 2012?
This has nothing to do with any imprinting and everything to do with current politics, as some powers that be are benefiting from dividing me and you, and cricket loving nations. Don’t fall for it.
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And the govt which allowed that series was throughly criticized and lost power.
 
Giroux28 said:
Let's say Asia Cup is shifted to a neutral venue and Pakistan goes ahead and participates in WC23 in India.

What guarantees that India won't back out when its their turn to participate in CT25 in Pakistan?
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That if course is a possibility.

The only way around that would be to get written assurances from the BCCI.
 
Giroux28 said:
Let's say Asia Cup is shifted to a neutral venue and Pakistan goes ahead and participates in WC23 in India.

What guarantees that India won't back out when its their turn to participate in CT25 in Pakistan?
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You are unfortunately Correct. In such a scenario, CT 2025 should go ahead in Pakistan and India should lose propotionate share of their ICC income for missing the tournament.
 
Rana said:
India will come if we don’t try to Peeve each other off. There are ways of doing things. Sending out threats isn’t the right way.

Both Jay Shah and Ramiz have acted stupidly here especially at a time when it seemed both boards were making good progress at resuming good ties.
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India has been using cricket as a tool to weaken/hurt Pakistan. They will not come to Pakistan while the RSS is their government, you should know this by now bro.

This infact might make them think twice and while the imported government which is favoured by the RSS in charge, they may come for a T10 match. :zardari
 
cricketjoshila said:
Rameez Raja is pathetic man, making silly threats.

Pakistan is a 3rd world nation, which is living on bailouts and at the risk of defaulting. It is not even rich in cricket despite 200mn plus playing that one game.

Indian cricket will see no harm and lose no money from this boycott.
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India has 3-4 X the more the population of Pakistan in poverty. Only a small % of your people even life a decent life.

If India doesnt come to Pak, its only right for Pak to do the same. Pak are not slaves of RSS India and never will be.
 
KingKhanWC said:
India has been using cricket as a tool to weaken/hurt Pakistan. They will not come to Pakistan while the RSS is their government, you should know this by now bro.

This infact might make them think twice and while the imported government which is favoured by the RSS in charge, they may come for a T10 match. :zardari
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They will come for the Champions trophy in 2025 InshaAllah and I am hopeful they will come before that too.

Things are not as bad as they were 7-8 years ago
 
For all the times Ramiz Raja mocked Pakistan cricket and Pakistani cricketers during commentary and his YouTube channel,

For his legal threats to former cricketers who desired to express their views about him

For all of it, I hope he is removed just for this pathetic threat and the Pakistani government makes amends for this man running his mouth without government approval!

It was Sethi’s hard work and Wasim Khan’s laborious efforts to get PCB to a stage where they made cricket safe to play in Pakistan. These efforts will not go to waste because some cheap YouTuber who only cares about self image will not send the nation to the biggest tournament in the game!
 
Rana said:
They will come for the Champions trophy in 2025 InshaAllah and I am hopeful they will come before that too.

Things are not as bad as they were 7-8 years ago
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Only because they got a hiding when trying to bomb trees.

But you cannot blame Ramiz when this policy of not playing Pakistan has been an Indian policy for many many years now.

Let India throw the olive branch now and then respond.

We are not inferior to them at all. On the contrary....
 
Saj said:
That if course is a possibility.

The only way around that would be to get written assurances from the BCCI.
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Any sort of assurance from indian written or verbal would be worthless

Theyve gone back on their word before and are frankly untrustworthy
 
Years ago in 2008 PCB thought by not allowing Pakistani players to play IPL they would influence a negative impact the growth of IPL.

Everyone knows what happeed next. IPL kept on growing and Pakistani players no longer get the opportunity to earn big bucks other world players do.

Now PCB thinks them not allowing their team for world cup will negatvely impact viewership and devalue the world cup. Oh la la ...awesome strategy of not learning from history
 
ex-q-zit said:
'Wait for the right time': Sports Minister Anurag Thakur's brutal reply to Ramiz Raja's explosive remark

Ramiz clarified his stance that Pakistan won't travel to India for the ODI World Cup in 2023 if India don't come for the Asia Cup. The comments created quite a stir before India's Union Sports Minister Anurag Thakur reacted with a brutal response.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief Ramiz Raja on Friday made an explosive statement in reaction to BCCI secretary and Asian Cricket Council (ACC) president Jay Shah's comment last month that Team India players won't be allowed to go to Pakistan for the Asia Cup next year while further adding that he wants the venue to be changed to UAE. While PCB had countered the statement last month, Ramiz clarified his stance that Pakistan won't travel to India for the ODI World Cup in 2023 if India don't come for the Asia Cup. The comments created quite a stir before India's Union Sports Minister Anurag Thakur reacted with a brutal response.

Speaking to Urdu News on Friday, more than a month after Shah's bombshell statement, Ramiz said, “If Pakistan doesn't take part in the World Cup scheduled in India next year, who will watch it? We have a clear stand: If the Indian team comes here then we will go for the World Cup. If they don't come then they can play the World Cup without us. We will adopt an aggressive approach. Our team is showing performance. I've always said we need to improve the economy of Pakistan cricket, and that can only happen when we perform well. In the 2021 T20 World Cup, we beat India. We beat India in the T20 Asia Cup. In one year, the Pakistan cricket team defeated a billion dollar economy team twice."

When asked about Ramiz's comment, Thakur sent out a stern message saying that no country can avoid India, who are now a major power in world sports.

“Wait for the right time. India is a major power in the world of sports & no country can overlook India,” he told ANI.

BCCI is yet to make a statement on Ramiz's remark while ACC are yet to hold a meeting on Jay Shah's statement on venue change.

Hindustan Times
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“Wait for the right time”

What a weak response.
 
If pakistan don't travel to India and India doesn't travel to pakistan could icc take away hosting rights from both countries until both countries don't resolve this issue?

Don't say pakistan won't make a difference because it will if a 4th ranked odi team are not participating then its really not a world cup it will take the flavour away

Also pakistan vs india are the most viewed matches in the history of cricket and this will affect the sponsors both in worldcup and champions trophy
 
emranabbas said:
If pakistan don't travel to India and India doesn't travel to pakistan could icc take away hosting rights from both countries until both countries don't resolve this issue?

Don't say pakistan won't make a difference because it will if a 4th ranked odi team are not participating then its really not a world cup it will take the flavour away

Also pakistan vs india are the most viewed matches in the history of cricket and this will affect the sponsors both in worldcup and champions trophy
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The only loser here will be Pakistan

ICC cannot dictate BCCI

BCCI will just create its own cricket board and all other nations will subscribe to them.
 
Rana said:
The only loser here will be Pakistan

ICC cannot dictate BCCI

BCCI will just create its own cricket board and all other nations will subscribe to them.
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Bro this isn't bollywood that bcci will go and create its own council and if they do it will be only Afghanistan and Bangladesh subscribing to them
 
PakLFC said:
No! The Football will be on instead. Even many Indian's will not feel excited about the tournament without Pak:vk2
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You will still watch. :ashwin

Indian fans just want to watch their team play. Doesn't matter if Pakistan is there or not. 82k fans filled the Melbourne Cricket Ground to watch India play Zimbabwe. Won't make a difference to them.
 
msb314 said:
Bhai please don’t exaggerate..

Hosting Aane Do series has nothing to do with Congress losing elections in 2014
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2 days after the series, events happened at the LoC. The government got thoroughly criticized for allowing. They were deemed too be too soft.
 
emranabbas said:
Bro this isn't bollywood that bcci will go and create its own council and if they do it will be only Afghanistan and Bangladesh subscribing to them
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If this ever comes to pass, you will be surprised how much support bcci will actually have.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
You will still watch. :ashwin

Indian fans just want to watch their team play. Doesn't matter if Pakistan is there or not. 82k fans filled the Melbourne Cricket Ground to watch India play Zimbabwe. Won't make a difference to them.
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Rather India will be crying without an Indo-Pak match during this WC:)):)) Financially it will make great difference to the WC, ICC and even the BCCI too. Indian's fans watching their match versus Zim is not all the point here rather the effect Pak's non participation in the event that will shake the entire Cricket world:shappy
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
You will still watch. :ashwin

Indian fans just want to watch their team play. Doesn't matter if Pakistan is there or not. 82k fans filled the Melbourne Cricket Ground to watch India play Zimbabwe. Won't make a difference to them.
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The most watched match of the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2019 globally was India against Pakistan with 273 million unique viewers tuning into linear TV coverage with over another 50 million digital-only viewers.

The most watched match in India was India against Pakistan which had a unique TV audience of 233 million from the 273 million unique viewers that had tuned in globally. The tournament reach within India was 545 million across TV and digital platforms.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/1346930

This was from a 2019 article on icc website

India-Pak clash most viewed T20 international match: Star India

www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/indi...nal-match-star-india/article37391956.ece/amp/

This was a artcle in an indian news 2021


T20 World Cup: India-Pak blockbuster match creates new viewership record

https://wap.business-standard.com/a...tes-new-viewership-record-122102300675_1.html


Haha 😄

Think it does matter who they are playing
Indians are breaking records for ind pak matches each year and yet your saying doesn't matter who they play check facts before posting rubbish
 
cricketjoshila said:
The policy of keeping relations with Pakistan to the minimum.

Anyways the next elections are in 2024, so who will be in power is unknown.
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I still don’t understand. This is an ICC tournament in which India does routinely play Pakistan.

What is preventing Indian Govt from giving permission to BCCI to participate in an ICC tournament?
 
Also remember Pak not playing other teams in the WC will cost the ICC big money losses too. After India many Pakistanis would have traveled across the border to support the boys. Pak would be the second best supported side in the WC.
 
All the International tournaments are held under the auspices of the ICC.
All the 12 full members of the ICC have full voting rights . They are all equal
The full members of the ICC have to abide by the rules and regulations of the ICC. They cannot renege or they will risk their status as members.
The hosting rights are granted by voting/ consensus. They cannot be violated or altered.
Pakistan has the hosting right for the next Asia Cup and the Champions Trophy. Pakistan will be the venue for these events and all members will participate in Pakitan. Incidentally, the ACC is subordinate to the ICC and has to adhere to the fundamenatal rules and regulations. It is not a complex issue and should be comprehensible to even those with rudimentary intelligence. It cannot be politicised for cheap theatrics.
Inda is the host for the 2023 WC and the same logic applies.
If any Government invokes politics in this simple eauation, it is jeopardizing this delicate balance. If the Indian Government has issues, it should diplomatically resolve it with the Pakistan Government. Both Governments should demonstrate maturity and not be swayed by politics. India has previously also reneged on a bilateral series to be played in Pakistan at the eleventh hour and demonstarated that they are of a suspect character. The Indian Government should engage productively with their counterparts not only for restoration of cricketing ties but social, cultural and economic relations that will be of mutual benefit. The converse will lead to lack of trust and vitiate future prospects.
 
reversehook said:
and obviously i am not stating all indians are terrorists either... but anything can happen if God forbid a nutcase decides to attack Pakistani team, and off late we are easily beating your team so thats more fuel to the nut heads...
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Easily beating lol, You guys such delusional that 2-3 hard fought match you won ,despite knowing that still we won more matches than you, and it's just t20 ,Forget about ODi You aren't even close and tests no chance, You were lucky all this decade ,

We are also tired of this blabbering joker modi and Andhbhakt party but theze fake currency,Drugs , terrorism all are things to destabilize our nation and who does that everyone of us know, So i want neither pak come here (Sure they have issues aswell) nor we should go there, Better keep playing in Neutral venues, Pakiatan wc match should be arranged in Bangladesh.
 
zamana said:
All the International tournaments are held under the auspices of the ICC.
All the 12 full members of the ICC have full voting rights . They are all equal
The full members of the ICC have to abide by the rules and regulations of the ICC. They cannot renege or they will risk their status as members.
The hosting rights are granted by voting/ consensus. They cannot be violated or altered.
Pakistan has the hosting right for the next Asia Cup and the Champions Trophy. Pakistan will be the venue for these events and all members will participate in Pakitan. Incidentally, the ACC is subordinate to the ICC and has to adhere to the fundamenatal rules and regulations. It is not a complex issue and should be comprehensible to even those with rudimentary intelligence. It cannot be politicised for cheap theatrics.
Inda is the host for the 2023 WC and the same logic applies.
If any Government invokes politics in this simple eauation, it is jeopardizing this delicate balance. If the Indian Government has issues, it should diplomatically resolve it with the Pakistan Government. Both Governments should demonstrate maturity and not be swayed by politics. India has previously also reneged on a bilateral series to be played in Pakistan at the eleventh hour and demonstarated that they are of a suspect character. The Indian Government should engage productively with their counterparts not only for restoration of cricketing ties but social, cultural and economic relations that will be of mutual benefit. The converse will lead to lack of trust and vitiate future prospects.
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What will ICC do if India doesn't visit pakistan?

What will ICC do if Pakistan doesn't visit India?
 
All the International tournaments are held under the auspices of the ICC.
All the 12 full members of the ICC have full voting rights . They are all equal
The full members of the ICC have to abide by the rules and regulations of the ICC. They cannot renege or they will risk their status as members.
The hosting rights are granted by voting/ consensus. They cannot be violated or altered.
Pakistan has the hosting right for the next Asia Cup and the Champions Trophy. Pakistan will be the venue for these events and all members will participate in Pakitan. Incidentally, the ACC is subordinate to the ICC and has to adhere to the fundamenatal rules and regulations. It is not a complex issue and should be comprehensible to even those with rudimentary intelligence. It cannot be politicised for cheap theatrics.
Inda is the host for the 2023 WC and the same logic applies.
If any Government invokes politics in this simple eauation, it is jeopardizing this delicate balance. If the Indian Government has issues, it should diplomatically resolve it with the Pakistan Government. Both Governments should demonstrate maturity and not be swayed by politics. India has previously also reneged on a bilateral series to be played in Pakistan at the eleventh hour and demonstarated that they are of a suspect character. The Indian Government should engage productively with their counterparts not only for restoration of cricketing ties but social, cultural and economic relations that will be of mutual benefit. The converse will lead to lack of trust and vitiate future prospects.
 
cricketjoshila said:
What will ICC do if India doesn't visit pakistan?

What will ICC do if Pakistan doesn't visit India?
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I do not represent the ICC and cannot speak on it's behalf.
I am sure the ICC will not be happy with the politicization of sports.
Can they impose any punitive measures? I think the ICC can legitimately withdraw hosting privileges from any transgressors. I hope it satisfies your line of thinking.
 
zamana said:
I do not represent the ICC and cannot speak on it's behalf.
I am sure the ICC will not be happy with the politicization of sports.
Can they impose any punitive measures? I think the ICC can legitimately withdraw hosting privileges from any transgressors. I hope it satisfies your line of thinking.
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Let's take it from here,

ICC withdraws the hosting rights from India and in retaliation, India withdraws from the World Cup.

ICC will be left with the loss of the biggest viewership and 80 percent of its revenues. What will they do?

Politics is part of sports. Look at what happened to Russia at FIFA.
 
I am sure the Governments will reach a face saving compromise to allow the games to be played. Don't work yourself into a tizzy! Pakistan will go to India for the WC and win the tournament and bring the trophy home! I suspect Modi is just trying to avoid the obvious from happening.
 
PakLFC said:
Rather India will be crying without an Indo-Pak match during this WC:)):)) Financially it will make great difference to the WC, ICC and even the BCCI too.
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"Financially" we have neither hosted Pakistan in a bilateral series nor played them outside of India in a bilateral series since 2012 and the only ones crying are Pakistanis. :vk2

BCCI doesn't need Pakistan to make money and the increasing revenue from the broadcast/sponsorship rights for the IPL and home series is an example of that.
 
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