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Karachi: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chief Executive Wasin Khan has dismissed reports of a foreign coach replacing Misbah-ul-Haq as head coach of Pakistan’s men’s team.

CEO told reporters on Friday that Andy Flower is busy for the next two years while Gary Kirsten is also not available.

“The news of Misbah’s removal holds no truth. No deal has been signed with anyone. Flower will not be available for two years due to his commitments while at this moment, Gary [Kirsten] is also not available to replace Misbah,” Wasim confirmed.

Wasim’s comments came after former pacer Shoaib Akhtar on his YouTube channel said that PCB has decided to fire Misbah and Flower has been sanctioned and he will ‘take over as the head coach after the PSL 6’.

However, Wasim said that Misbah deserves one more chance to prove himself against South Africa.

“A three-year deal has been signed with him and [bowling coach] Waqar Younis but they can be let go before their given term,” he said.

https://arysports.tv/no-truth-flower-replacing-misbah-wasim/
 
MenInG said:
Karachi: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chief Executive Wasin Khan has dismissed reports of a foreign coach replacing Misbah-ul-Haq as head coach of Pakistan’s men’s team.

CEO told reporters on Friday that Andy Flower is busy for the next two years while Gary Kirsten is also not available.

“The news of Misbah’s removal holds no truth. No deal has been signed with anyone. Flower will not be available for two years due to his commitments while at this moment, Gary [Kirsten] is also not available to replace Misbah,” Wasim confirmed.

Wasim’s comments came after former pacer Shoaib Akhtar on his YouTube channel said that PCB has decided to fire Misbah and Flower has been sanctioned and he will ‘take over as the head coach after the PSL 6’.

However, Wasim said that Misbah deserves one more chance to prove himself against South Africa.

“A three-year deal has been signed with him and [bowling coach] Waqar Younis but they can be let go before their given term,” he said.

https://arysports.tv/no-truth-flower-replacing-misbah-wasim/
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Interesting. What was the need to mention Flower has 2 year commitments? It means they have been in touch with him.
 
So no denial that enquiries regarding the availability of both were made by the PCB.
 
Saj said:
So no denial that enquiries regarding the availability of both were made by the PCB.
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Also no statements such as “we fully back Misbah and there is no possibility of sacking him etc.”
 
Rana said:
Also no statements such as “we fully back Misbah and there is no possibility of sacking him etc.”
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it think its quite clear that Misbah has to perform in this home series or he is done and dusted.
 
This statement has probably come about because Andy has thought about it and declined. Doesn’t mean there was no truth in them wanting to replace Misbah - in fact this actually confirms it.

Let’s hope we find someone because I do not want a “there’s no-one available so we’ll stick with Misbah”.

Replacement is secondary. The priority should be to keep Misbah and Waqar far, far away from the team even if they get Younis to be a “dummy” coach
 
This suggests they are in talks with folk to replace Misbah but are trying to be polite about it, looks like Misbah may yet have one more card left to play because I see him continue if Pak beat SAF
 
Until the PCB starts paying foreign coaches a significant premium to entice them away from commitments in T20 leagues, expect these polite rejections to continue.
 
Saj said:
So no denial that enquiries regarding the availability of both were made by the PCB.
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Saj please can you ask Wasim khan to put high quality speed guns in Domestic cricket especially in Quaid e azam trophy to see bowlers speed in 3rd and 4th spell
 
TheSultan said:
This statement has probably come about because Andy has thought about it and declined. Doesn’t mean there was no truth in them wanting to replace Misbah - in fact this actually confirms it.

Let’s hope we find someone because I do not want a “there’s no-one available so we’ll stick with Misbah”.

Replacement is secondary. The priority should be to keep Misbah and Waqar far, far away from the team even if they get Younis to be a “dummy” coach
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Well Aqib Javed is available
 
PCB didn't ask either Andy Flower or Gary Kirsten about whether they can replace Misbah-ul-Haq, as both had already confirmed their availability a couple of months ago to PCB.
 
Also just to let everyone know - Misbah and Waqar are both on 3 year contracts and their notice period is 3 months.

If PCB does get rid of them before the 3-year term, PCB does not have to pay them for the remainder of the contract, only the 3 months notice period.
 
Saj said:
PCB didn't ask either Andy Flower or Gary Kirsten about whether they can replace Misbah-ul-Haq, as both had already confirmed their availability a couple of months ago to PCB.
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I am confused. So Andy Flower and Kirsten are available for head coach role if PCB decides to remove Misbah ?
 
Seriously how did people even think that Andy and Gary were even going to coach Pakistan or ever showed an ounce of interest in doing so?
 
Knew that!! After those fake advertisements no professional foreign coaches will apply for the job. Stick with desi parchi coaches.
 
Current PCB official will not sack neither of Waqar and Misbah regardless the performance. Will not surprise if they even extend their contract for another 2-3 years
 
Pak should invest in their local talent and local coaches, to be the best they possibly can I don’t know if the age old foreign option is going to help massively. They bought in someone like Misbah who has zero experience, it would have been better to groom a young coach from the domestic set up
 
Saj said:
No. Neither are available at the moment.
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Why don't they approach Jason Gillespie he has experience with Sussex in county and i think Adelaide strikers in BBL?
 
Huge mistake to keep Misbah. Andy Flower would transform Pakistan's national team; Gary Kirsten would too by a lesser extent however I don't see him taking him the job as that would hurt his legacy as India's world cup winning head coach.
 
b.lesner said:
Need a good experienced Aussie coach ASAP
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Pakistan cricket coach position is maybe the second toughest job in the world after the Indian coaching position. But I agree with you. Dizzy would be ideal, he is a battle hardened coach now but he may be next in line for the Australia position after Langer. He may hold out for that job first.
 
IPL is adding 2 new teams and Andy might get a coaching role for one of them.. So he won't take up any other assignments.
 
Oxfordchamp said:
IPL is adding 2 new teams and Andy might get a coaching role for one of them.. So he won't take up any other assignments.
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Do you see now how Pakistan have blundered in letting go of Mickey for Misbah? No other decent coach in world cricket is available and we could have kept going with Mickey who still has some accountability skills.
 
That’s shows what kind of character Sohaib Akhtar is , no body should listen to him .
 
moghul said:
That’s shows what kind of character Sohaib Akhtar is , no body should listen to him .
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I have a feeling there was truth in the story but Shoaib has blown it up by opening his mouth too early. Needlessly
 
This is a really telling statement from Wasim. He wants everyone to know both that 1) Misbah isn't being replaced yet but that 2) enquiries were made with both Andy and Gary and both are unavailable.

How else would Wasim feel qualified to comment on the availability of both coaches?

Wasim makes a suggestion to Misbah and Waqar - we're in a 3 year contract but there's nothing to stop you walking away.

Clearly Wasim wanted to people to know that Misbah is on thin ice. This is anything but a full backing.
 
moghul said:
That’s shows what kind of character Sohaib Akhtar is , no body should listen to him .
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Yes the comments today by Wasim were in response to Shoaib Akhtar's comments.
 
b.lesner said:
Why don't they approach Jason Gillespie he has experience with Sussex in county and i think Adelaide strikers in BBL?
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He's working with Cricket Australia and the national team.
 
Pretty clear from Wasim's comments that Misbah is there for a limited time. The PCB wants Misbah out but there isn't any better option available.

Misbah needs some wins to make it to the T20 world cup at the least.
 
Usman said:
This is a really telling statement from Wasim. He wants everyone to know both that 1) Misbah isn't being replaced yet but that 2) enquiries were made with both Andy and Gary and both are unavailable.

How else would Wasim feel qualified to comment on the availability of both coaches?

Wasim makes a suggestion to Misbah and Waqar - we're in a 3 year contract but there's nothing to stop you walking away.

Clearly Wasim wanted to people to know that Misbah is on thin ice. This is anything but a full backing.
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Yes a fair assessment.

But Wasim says that neither have been contacted now and that they made him aware of their plans a couple of months ago.

The 3 month notice period comment is because a lot of the media was saying that Wasim is scared to sack Misbah as they would have to pay him for the rest of his 3 year contract - but that is not the case at all, as they'd just have to pay him 3 months salary.
 
Its crazy how Bangladesh is able to attract better coaching names and even Afghanistan in comparison to Pakistan. Surely both these countries cannot be paying higher than the PCB.

Maybe the Steve Rixon episode has badly hurt the PCB's reputation. Even the Geoff Lawson episode was damaging the way Ijaz Butt just sacked him on a whim without any discussions, meetings in 2008. Richard Pybus was sacked by the PCB in December 1999 and the then PCB Chairman didn't even bother to give him a courtesy of one meeting. Some might say even the manner in Which Mickey Arthur's episode was handled where the PCB made verbal assurances to him that he would be given a fresh 2 year contract, where they allowed Misbah to sit on the PCB Cricket Committee and then allowed Misbah to replace Arthur. All these things are very damaging for the PCB's reputation for being a safe, consistent employer.
 
The PCB is in a tricky position. To sack Misbah, Waqar like that will send a bad signal to future prospects that unless you deliver immediately, you will get sacked at any time. Any new coach will demand time, security and to be allowed to serve his tenure to deliver. It takes time to implement your vision, to build a squad, to identify players, to groom players and for a team to gel.

I suspect these are all PCB tactics to put pressure on Misbah, Waqar that they better get their act together or they will be let go.
 
Saj said:
Yes the comments today by Wasim were in response to Shoaib Akhtar's comments.
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Wasim is not going to state the truth i.e. they are actively looking around while the existing coaches are still in place. That would be unprofessional and it would also lead to the coaches no longer giving a damn about their jobs knowing they will be sacked anyways.
 
I can assure you when Misbah is replaced it won't be by an elite foreign coach. Elite coaches aren't interested in the Pakistan job. Some our fans asking why don't we go for Fleming,Gillespie,Baylis,and other top coaches, they aren't interested in the job. It's that simple.

The role isn't that well paid, we are living in a covid era. Most of these guys have families. They won't want to be away for so long for such a low paid job. We are a rubbish team as well. Why would an elite coach risk ruining his reputation by coming to us? Also you can coach all year round in franchise cricket and earn more than the Pakistan job.

Our fans need to get out of this delusional state and start being realistic when it comes to the next coach.
 
Hasan123 said:
I can assure you when Misbah is replaced it won't be by an elite foreign coach. Elite coaches aren't interested in the Pakistan job. Some our fans asking why don't we go for Fleming,Gillespie,Baylis,and other top coaches, they aren't interested in the job. It's that simple.

The role isn't that well paid, we are living in a covid era. Most of these guys have families. They won't want to be away for so long for such a low paid job. We are a rubbish team as well. Why would an elite coach risk ruining his reputation by coming to us? Also you can coach all year round in franchise cricket and earn more than the Pakistan job.

Our fans need to get out of this delusional state and start being realistic when it comes to the next coach.
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Really? I thought our last two coaches have been paid higher than the NZ and South African coaches?

https://thecricketlounge.com/2020/03/these-are-the-10-highest-paid-cricket-coaches-in-the-world/
 
Hasan123 said:
I can assure you when Misbah is replaced it won't be by an elite foreign coach. Elite coaches aren't interested in the Pakistan job. Some our fans asking why don't we go for Fleming,Gillespie,Baylis,and other top coaches, they aren't interested in the job. It's that simple.

The role isn't that well paid, we are living in a covid era. Most of these guys have families. They won't want to be away for so long for such a low paid job. We are a rubbish team as well. Why would an elite coach risk ruining his reputation by coming to us? Also you can coach all year round in franchise cricket and earn more than the Pakistan job.

Our fans need to get out of this delusional state and start being realistic when it comes to the next coach.
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Tbh any avg, mediocre coach can have success coaching a world class team. Lol, look at John Bucchanan, he coached the legendary Australian team from 1999 to 2007. Shane Warne used to consider the guy useless but he built his reputation from coaching that team. His true coaching assignments after that exposed his actual value as a coach.

What would really look good on a coach's CV and shoot up his value tremendously if he takes a rubbish low ranked side like Pakistan and brings them into the top 3 in all formats. Thats how you become elite.
 
Savak said:
Wasim is not going to state the truth i.e. they are actively looking around while the existing coaches are still in place. That would be unprofessional and it would also lead to the coaches no longer giving a damn about their jobs knowing they will be sacked anyways.
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You've obviously not read or understood what I have written.

Of course he's spoken with prospective coaches - as I wrote above in post 16.
 
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Pakistan wouldn't be in this situation if our homegrown coaching capacity wasn't abysmal barring a few names. We have become completely dependent on foreign expertise.

That's why I felt appointing Mohammad Wasim as Chief Selector was a mistake, he should've been made Head Coach if an internationally proven coach wasn't available.

I fear there won't be as many coaches in the future looking to work for international teams. With packed touring schedules and biosecure bubbles, there's so much time spent on the road away from families. It's a better work-life balance, and probably more lucrative, just working the T20 franchise circuit coaching in 2-3 leagues a year.
 
Pakistan needs to aim to pay the national team head coach especially if he is a foreigner around $550,000-600,000. That is how much Cricket Australia and the ECB pays their coaches, obviously the PCB cannot match what the BCCI pays Ravi Shastri i.e. $1.17 million but $550,000-$600,000 should be a reasonable figure given that the PCB has scored $36 million in 3 years from the PTV rights deal, gets $10 million from the ICC annually, is going to get $200 million from the PTV deal in 3 years and has reached undisclosed deals with the Super Sports and Sky tv authorities.

If the PCB can now afford to involve ex test legends, ex players with prestigious coaching certificates at the NCA, if they can fund domestic cricket then surely they can afford to make a high payment of around $500,000-$600,000 to the head coach of the national team and slightly below that to any bowling, batting and fielding coach.
 
Savak said:
Tbh any avg, mediocre coach can have success coaching a world class team. Lol, look at John Bucchanan, he coached the legendary Australian team from 1999 to 2007. Shane Warne used to consider the guy useless but he built his reputation from coaching that team. His true coaching assignments after that exposed his actual value as a coach.

What would really look good on a coach's CV and shoot up his value tremendously if he takes a rubbish low ranked side like Pakistan and brings them into the top 3 in all formats. Thats how you become elite.
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No coach in the world can make this current Pakistan team top 3 in all formats. This isn't football where a manager has a global pool of talent to recruit from and mould a team any way he sees fit.

In international cricket you are only as good as the raw materials produced from your grassroots system. At best a top coach can make marginal differences to Pakistan's ranking like improving them from 9th to 5th in ODIs as Mickey did.
 
Savak said:
Tbh any avg, mediocre coach can have success coaching a world class team. Lol, look at John Bucchanan, he coached the legendary Australian team from 1999 to 2007. Shane Warne used to consider the guy useless but he built his reputation from coaching that team. His true coaching assignments after that exposed his actual value as a coach.

What would really look good on a coach's CV and shoot up his value tremendously if he takes a rubbish low ranked side like Pakistan and brings them into the top 3 in all formats. Thats how you become elite.
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Well said, this is why I rate Andy Flower, Stephen Fleming, Trevor Bayliss, and Mike Hesson.
 
According to some reports

Misbah is the 3rd highest paid international coach in the world, that too without a proper coaching qualification and coaching expertise.

Clearly the PCB have the Moolah to splash! He is better paid than the NZ head coach lol
 
Saj said:
You've obviously not read or understood what I have written.

Of course he's spoken with prospective coaches - as I wrote above in post 16.
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In any case, i think he should not have disclosed or revealed that the PCB had spoken to prospective coaches even if they are privately doing it in the background, not when the team has the coaches that it has right now. This undermines the coaching staff at present, it changes the attitudes of the players as well who know that the PCB is no longer supporting the coaches and they will not take the coaching staff seriously as a result, it undermines the authority of the coach.

The PCB should have aggressively come out with a press release denying the news and maybe a joint press conference involving Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan, Misbah, Waqar and Younis Khan should have taken place to confirm that the PCB is fully behind the coaching staff and there is no truth to the rumours circulating in the media. Sadly the PCB has not done this and there is complete confusion and insecurity right now
 
Misbah gets $260k per year as the head coach of Pakistan

I swear this is the salary of the US President? Yet people here are saying the Pakistan cricket job is not well paid :)))
 
Rana said:
Misbah gets $260k per year as the head coach of Pakistan

I swear this is the salary of the US President? Yet people here are saying the Pakistan cricket job is not well paid :)))
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I believe it’s more like $210k per year. He does get a lot but how much does this compare to IPL 6 week contracts?
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
I believe it’s more like $210k per year. He does get a lot but how much does this compare to IPL 6 week contracts?
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For instance, Ponting gets $450k for the 6 weeks

IMO PCB isn’t cash stricken. They have Shaheen and Babar on $750k per annum I believe? They have the money to bump it up to $500-700k if they need. Yes IPL is an easy 6 week option but I don’t think PCB has money issues, nor should they pay coaches $2m just to keep them away from the IPL job.

What I think is the sensible solution to all of this is to have the PSL held during the IPL and let the head coach do the IPL venture also if the guy gets a top offer.

Pakistan only really have an option of Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan in those 6 weeks anyways. Surely the interim coaches can handle these tours at home and even it PSL is not being held at the same time
 
Rana said:
Misbah gets $260k per year as the head coach of Pakistan

I swear this is the salary of the US President? Yet people here are saying the Pakistan cricket job is not well paid :)))
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The US president makes $400,000-450,000 a year plus getting an expense account of $100,000 and a few other perks privileges.
 
So, Fleming to pick up $500k for 6-8 weeks in the IPL

+$300k for 10 months services to Pakistan cricket board. Something like this
 
Rana said:
For instance, Ponting gets $450k for the 6 weeks

IMO PCB isn’t cash stricken. They have Shaheen and Babar on $750k per annum I believe? They have the money to bump it up to $500-700k if they need. Yes IPL is an easy 6 week option but I don’t think PCB has money issues, nor should they pay coaches $2m just to keep them away from the IPL job.

What I think is the sensible solution to all of this is to have the PSL held during the IPL and let the head coach do the IPL venture also if the guy gets a top offer.

Pakistan only really have an option of Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan in those 6 weeks anyways. Surely the interim coaches can handle these tours at home and even it PSL is not being held at the same time
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I think the elite international coaches will agree to take on the Pakistan gig if the PCB agrees to release them for an IPL coaching gig and if the PCB allows them to coach in the PSL as well and ensures that there is no Pakistani international duty during the IPL and even if there is, it is with minnows so that his presence is not needed. Its going to take a combination of pumping up the pays and these relaxations which will make a difference.
 
Savak said:
I think the elite international coaches will agree to take on the Pakistan gig if the PCB agrees to release them for an IPL coaching gig and if the PCB allows them to coach in the PSL as well and ensures that there is no Pakistani international duty during the IPL and even if there is, it is with minnows so that his presence is not needed. Its going to take a combination of pumping up the pays and these relaxations which will make a difference.
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Exactly. It’s not like we are playing Australia or England away during when the IPL is going on and we will need Kirsten to be there for us.
 
Wasim Khan has tendency of not opening his cards until last moment..Thats how organizations work, when they want to lay you off. You got to know at last moment, and then they don't care about severance $$$
 
PCB deserves this

Wither continue with Misbah or get ready for Iqbal Qasim/ Intikhab Alam or some 80+ yo
 
iniqbal223 said:
Wasim Khan has tendency of not opening his cards until last moment..Thats how organizations work, when they want to lay you off. You got to know at last moment, and then they don't care about severance $$$
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Good point

The Supersport and Sky sports deals were done whilst nobody had a clue about them. He will deliver something good for us hopefully
 
moghul said:
That’s shows what kind of character Sohaib Akhtar is , no body should listen to him .
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Earlier it used to be a joke... But when SA told months back that Wahab and Amir would be part of 2019 WC (even they were not part of prelim squads, tells something about his reach...)

Will not be surprised if he is right
 
It’s surprising that Shoaib Akhtar’s name keeps getting mentioned in this thread. Let me make this clear, if you go and watch his statement, he clearly says that this is not from his own sources, but that the info is sourced from Shoaib Jatt, a well known media journalist for Samaa who has leaked a lot of stories from the PCB over the years.

He was one of those who first reported about Misbah being removed from the chief selector position, usually has a decent handle on who is being selected and who is being dropped, and is very friendly with certain members of the PCB and has “yaari” with many Pakistan international and domestic players.

I have yet to see the PCB deny that they reached out to Kirsten and Flower (and even if they do deny an official approach, they have still clearly approached both of them through backdoor channels). I continue to take the basic essence of the report to be true, and even the details on Flower’s acceptance of the deal post-PSL 6 may still have held weight at the time of this information being leaked. It is entirely possible that this conversation did take place, in that Flower’s “post-PSL 6” response was a delay tactic while he made up his mind.

Chinese whispers also tends to be a factor in such information about the specifics of a conversation being passed around - Flower said something to Wasim Khan, who mentioned this to Saqlain, who said something to Mushtaq, who threw the info to Jatt, who added some masala (as he did with the Amir retirement story) and gave to Shoaib Akhtar, who threw his own language into the mix.

Your end result can easily have shifted from a conversation of “I’ll look into it after PSL 6” to “he’s accepted but won’t do so officially until after PSL 6”.

As much as I dislike Akhtar’s tendency to inflate things, he’s not the one who broke this story. He’s simply discussing what another journalist (who has his own well placed contacts) has been passing around. In the last 1-2 years, I have rarely if ever seen Akhtar fabricate news or hyperbolize facts the way he used to 5-10 years ago.

And it’s only right that we hold the real mirchain laganay wala responsible.
 
Rana said:
Really? I thought our last two coaches have been paid higher than the NZ and South African coaches?

https://thecricketlounge.com/2020/03/these-are-the-10-highest-paid-cricket-coaches-in-the-world/
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NZ and SA both have local coaches. For the pay offered by the PCB, just about every former cricketer in Pakistan barring maybe Wasim would take the head coach job in a flash. For most elite foreign coaches though, who would have to be away from their families for most of the year, the money offered by the PCB is not enough.
 
Rana said:
For instance, Ponting gets $450k for the 6 weeks

IMO PCB isn’t cash stricken. They have Shaheen and Babar on $750k per annum I believe? They have the money to bump it up to $500-700k if they need. Yes IPL is an easy 6 week option but I don’t think PCB has money issues, nor should they pay coaches $2m just to keep them away from the IPL job.

What I think is the sensible solution to all of this is to have the PSL held during the IPL and let the head coach do the IPL venture also if the guy gets a top offer.

Pakistan only really have an option of Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan in those 6 weeks anyways. Surely the interim coaches can handle these tours at home and even it PSL is not being held at the same time
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Babar gets about $85k per year from his contract and he is the highest paid among Pakistan cricketers
 
angrypathan said:
NZ and SA both have local coaches. For the pay offered by the PCB, just about every former cricketer in Pakistan barring maybe Wasim would take the head coach job in a flash. For most elite foreign coaches though, who would have to be away from their families for most of the year, the money offered by the PCB is not enough.
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Pcb honchos need to take a cut and play coaches and players automatically
 
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Markhor said:
No coach in the world can make this current Pakistan team top 3 in all formats. This isn't football where a manager has a global pool of talent to recruit from and mould a team any way he sees fit.

In international cricket you are only as good as the raw materials produced from your grassroots system. At best a top coach can make marginal differences to Pakistan's ranking like improving them from 9th to 5th in ODIs as Mickey did.
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I guess might as well not appoint a coach for our rubbish side then given that he can't do much with our useless players. Let the players be held responsible
 
There is any number of good Aussie, English and South African coaches who are ambitious and would take the job as a stepping stone.

Realistically, with proper selection Pakistan would be ranked 3 or 4 in every form of cricket. And they are currently underachieving, which means that a competent coach working with Mohammad Wasim would probably get quick results.

I’m pretty sure Mickey Arthur will be back shortly. His board will not be happy with their recent results, and he knows that Sri Lanka lack the bowlers for him to achieve results with.

I think he will leave Sri Lanka by mutual consent and be reappointed to the Pakistan job.
 
Junaids said:
There is any number of good Aussie, English and South African coaches who are ambitious and would take the job as a stepping stone.

Realistically, with proper selection Pakistan would be ranked 3 or 4 in every form of cricket. And they are currently underachieving, which means that a competent coach working with Mohammad Wasim would probably get quick results.

I’m pretty sure Mickey Arthur will be back shortly. His board will not be happy with their recent results, and he knows that Sri Lanka lack the bowlers for him to achieve results with.

I think he will leave Sri Lanka by mutual consent and be reappointed to the Pakistan job.
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Currently we are ranked 7th. Going to oversimplify things a bit, but... With proper selection we would be ranked 6th. With proper coaching and use of data analysis, we’d be ranked 5th. With a proper system at our grassroots and professional culture, we’d be ranked 4th. Even if we somehow had IPL like money, we’d still be ranked 3rd (still behind Australia and India).

Even with all these factors, to get to number 1 or 2 for a few years in Tests and ODIs we would still need to get lucky and see a golden generation of cricketers with talent, akin to West Indies of the 80s, Pakistan of the 90s, Aussies of the 00s, and England in the last few years.

We are indeed underachieving right now, but the results will be anything but quick.
 
Hasan123 said:
I can assure you when Misbah is replaced it won't be by an elite foreign coach. Elite coaches aren't interested in the Pakistan job. Some our fans asking why don't we go for Fleming,Gillespie,Baylis,and other top coaches, they aren't interested in the job. It's that simple.

The role isn't that well paid, we are living in a covid era. Most of these guys have families. They won't want to be away for so long for such a low paid job. We are a rubbish team as well. Why would an elite coach risk ruining his reputation by coming to us? Also you can coach all year round in franchise cricket and earn more than the Pakistan job.

Our fans need to get out of this delusional state and start being realistic when it comes to the next coach.
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No.

Cricket coaches do not work like football managers. No cricket coach is out of any team’s league and that is because of the very small number of Test playing countries.

Hiring a big name cricket coach is all about timing. Pakistan, like Bangladesh or Sri Lanka, can get their hands on any coach in the world provided that he is available and teams like India, Australia, England etc. are not interested at that point.

Sure you can make an exception for someone like Kirsten because of his history with India or Fleming who doesn’t seem interested in coaching in international cricket, but I am talking about the coaches that are willing to coach in international cricket.
 
I guarantee that if the PCB offers $500,000-$600,000 plus other perks for the role and also allows the coach permission to coach during the PSL and IPL. The PCB will be able to attract the very best out there
 
No IPL franchise will be authorized to appoint an international coach due to the inherent conflict of interest, once you add in the complication of delicate international diplomacy between the BCCI and the PCB, then there's no chance that anyone associated with the Pakistan international team will get a job in the IPL.

It's not just the IPL, these coaches can make as much as three or four times the base salary offered by the PCB by phoning it in for a couple of weeks at the BBL, CPL, IPL, PSL, the Hundred et al. There's no rational reason to give that all up for coaching a mediocre international team that is subject to a dysfunctional governance system.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Currently we are ranked 7th. Going to oversimplify things a bit, but... With proper selection we would be ranked 6th. With proper coaching and use of data analysis, we’d be ranked 5th. With a proper system at our grassroots and professional culture, we’d be ranked 4th. Even if we somehow had IPL like money, we’d still be ranked 3rd (still behind Australia and India).

Even with all these factors, to get to number 1 or 2 for a few years in Tests and ODIs we would still need to get lucky and see a golden generation of cricketers with talent, akin to West Indies of the 80s, Pakistan of the 90s, Aussies of the 00s, and England in the last few years.

We are indeed underachieving right now, but the results will be anything but quick.
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Rankings don't work that way, it's not as systematic and linear. There's no simple equation. Pakistan have ranked as high as the top 3 in the past decade, so they can get to the top even with a mediocre grassroots system, however world domination is not possible.
 
naseem said:
So who's gonna replace him....
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None!!!! May be Chai Mohsin Khan or useless Aaqib Javed. Wasim Khan should be responsible for this because of his fake job advertisement he did last time. Foreigners have no trust on these advertisements and no time to waste for applying those position.
 
Giannis said:
Rankings don't work that way, it's not as systematic and linear. There's no simple equation. Pakistan have ranked as high as the top 3 in the past decade, so they can get to the top even with a mediocre grassroots system, however world domination is not possible.
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I’m generally over simplifying, and I’m talking more about perceived rankings than actual ICC rankings. It’s not linear but I’m trying to illustrate how difficult it really will be to improve to that top 3 position and stay there on a consistent basis.
 
Savak said:
Pakistan needs to aim to pay the national team head coach especially if he is a foreigner around $550,000-600,000. That is how much Cricket Australia and the ECB pays their coaches, obviously the PCB cannot match what the BCCI pays Ravi Shastri i.e. $1.17 million but $550,000-$600,000 should be a reasonable figure given that the PCB has scored $36 million in 3 years from the PTV rights deal, gets $10 million from the ICC annually, is going to get $200 million from the PTV deal in 3 years and has reached undisclosed deals with the Super Sports and Sky tv authorities.

If the PCB can now afford to involve ex test legends, ex players with prestigious coaching certificates at the NCA, if they can fund domestic cricket then surely they can afford to make a high payment of around $500,000-$600,000 to the head coach of the national team and slightly below that to any bowling, batting and fielding coach.
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Not always has to be chasing the Big3 in comparison, they have their graphs set high, so they can afford.

Better compare with the boards and teams as equal to PCB. Realistically they should be comparing with SA,NZL,WI,BAN,SRL.

For many elite foreign coaches , it is actually a big opportunity to coach an Asian which has the potential if right players are selected to form a formidable side. Mickey was able to do it in white ball cricket with the resources he got, he wasn’t able to remove Hafeez and Malik anyhow.
 
Savak said:
I guarantee that if the PCB offers $500,000-$600,000 plus other perks for the role and also allows the coach permission to coach during the PSL and IPL. The PCB will be able to attract the very best out there
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This. It is about money and perks.
But in Pakistan, what i have seen lot of ex-players and media go after foreign coaches salary a lot, so he has to be thick skinned as well.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Not always has to be chasing the Big3 in comparison, they have their graphs set high, so they can afford.

Better compare with the boards and teams as equal to PCB. Realistically they should be comparing with SA,NZL,WI,BAN,SRL.

For many elite foreign coaches , it is actually a big opportunity to coach an Asian which has the potential if right players are selected to form a formidable side. Mickey was able to do it in white ball cricket with the resources he got, he wasn’t able to remove Hafeez and Malik anyhow.
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Hafeez is our best T-20 batsman right now. And to be fair, Mickey's T-20 rankings our inflated, Pakistan has a habit of playing its Best 11 in all T-20 games whereas the rest of the world uses it to give chances to their bench strength and rest their main players. Our performance in the World T-20 tournaments is an accurate reflection of where we actually stand
 
Mickey was far better than Misbah , Pakistan needs to do their best to hire a good foreign coach.
 
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