“Not every day are you going to come and bowl 90mph. No one is a robot” : Jofra Archer

[Ian Pont]

Top 3 fast bowlers in the world across Tests and ODIs.

1. Archer
2. Bumrah
3. Cummins

Purely in Tests, Cummins is number 1.

In Tests:

Cummins averages 21 and a strike rate of a wicket every 47 balls.
Bumrah averages 22 and a wicket strike rate of 48 balls.
Starc average 27 with a strike rate of 49 balls.
Boult averages 28 and a strike rate of 56 balls.
Anderson 26 average and 55 balls.
Broad 27 average and 56 balls.
Woakes 29 average and 58 balls.

And there are many others, too.

Archer has a very high bowling average of 31 and a poor strike rate of a wicket every 63 balls. He's not even in the top 4 English fast bowlers on the tour for performance. Even Stokes at 31 average and 57 strike rate, has a better record - and he's a batsman first.

Archer may prove himself in time. But he has a very, very long way to go, especially away from home in the subcontinent conditions.

It's these type of dumb comments from people who know very little about cricket, that are the real issue.

 

[Sir-fraz]

People keep forgetting rabada aswell.

Archer has a long way to go..

 

[Caved12]

In Tests:

Cummins averages 21 and a strike rate of a wicket every 47 balls.
Bumrah averages 22 and a wicket strike rate of 48 balls.
Starc average 27 with a strike rate of 49 balls.
Boult averages 28 and a strike rate of 56 balls.
Anderson 26 average and 55 balls.
Broad 27 average and 56 balls.
Woakes 29 average and 58 balls.

And there are many others, too.

Archer has a very high bowling average of 31 and a poor strike rate of a wicket every 63 balls. He's not even in the top 4 English fast bowlers on the tour for performance. Even Stokes at 31 average and 57 strike rate, has a better record - and he's a batsman first.

Archer may prove himself in time. But he has a very, very long way to go, especially away from home in the subcontinent conditions.

It's these type of dumb comments from people who know very little about cricket, that are the real issue.

Very well explained. Mamoon is a great poster, but I do notice that his views on fast bowlers every now and then are highly questionable. Archer has potential and talent to become a great bowler, but his attitude needs to improve as he does not like to listen to anyone and does not like to give his 100% when he is bowling in second innings.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

In Tests:

Cummins averages 21 and a strike rate of a wicket every 47 balls.
Bumrah averages 22 and a wicket strike rate of 48 balls.
Starc average 27 with a strike rate of 49 balls.
Boult averages 28 and a strike rate of 56 balls.
Anderson 26 average and 55 balls.
Broad 27 average and 56 balls.
Woakes 29 average and 58 balls.

And there are many others, too.

Archer has a very high bowling average of 31 and a poor strike rate of a wicket every 63 balls. He's not even in the top 4 English fast bowlers on the tour for performance. Even Stokes at 31 average and 57 strike rate, has a better record - and he's a batsman first.

Archer may prove himself in time. But he has a very, very long way to go, especially away from home in the subcontinent conditions.

It's these type of dumb comments from people who know very little about cricket, that are the real issue.

Archer is more of a situational bowler, his stats on the naked eye won't really be that good ever especially in white ball cricket. Similarly, in Tests he would be good at cleaning up the tail, breaking partnerships etc. In LOIs, he would be the guy that strikes a useful blow, breaks a partnership, keeps it tight at the death and stuff. I would rather say he is the most VALUABLE bowler of England team but not the best.

In that way, I would say Starc is still the best bowler in ODIs.
Cummins is the best in Tests.

 

[aloo paratha]

Anybody who watches cricket objectively can tell you that Archer is nowhere near being even a top 10 fast bowler in tests. His fitness and skills are not up to par.

 

[Savak]

Archer is better suited to odis and T20s where he can keep the pace up, he struggles to do that in test matches

 

[pillionrider]

I want to see how Archer reacts when he's out in the sun for a whole day. There were brief phases when it looked like he was losing interest. But from the little I've seen of him, that seems to be his default look which can be deceptive because he then strolls in, and bowls a nice bouncer.

His pace was in the embarrassing 130s but was also getting some surprising bounce in the 2nd innings. Should he play over Broad? Probably deserves one more game in the sun chasing leather before Broad comes in ahead of him.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

In Tests:

Cummins averages 21 and a strike rate of a wicket every 47 balls.
Bumrah averages 22 and a wicket strike rate of 48 balls.
Starc average 27 with a strike rate of 49 balls.
Boult averages 28 and a strike rate of 56 balls.
Anderson 26 average and 55 balls.
Broad 27 average and 56 balls.
Woakes 29 average and 58 balls.

And there are many others, too.

Archer has a very high bowling average of 31 and a poor strike rate of a wicket every 63 balls. He's not even in the top 4 English fast bowlers on the tour for performance. Even Stokes at 31 average and 57 strike rate, has a better record - and he's a batsman first.

Archer may prove himself in time. But he has a very, very long way to go, especially away from home in the subcontinent conditions.

It's these type of dumb comments from people who know very little about cricket, that are the real issue.

What are your thoughts on Bumrah.. can he get even better. ?
Also what do you think Ishant is doing different then earlier. Would love your respected analysis on this.

 

[Forum363]

I want to see how Archer reacts when he's out in the sun for a whole day. There were brief phases when it looked like he was losing interest. But from the little I've seen of him, that seems to be his default look which can be deceptive because he then strolls in, and bowls a nice bouncer.

His pace was in the embarrassing 130s but was also getting some surprising bounce in the 2nd innings. Should he play over Broad? Probably deserves one more game in the sun chasing leather before Broad comes in ahead of him.

Since Archer’s one beginners luck performance in his first ashes series at home, he has been nothing short of rubbish. It’s criminal that the England selectors have repeatedly benched the likes of Broad for him and it’s cost them matches.

 

[aloo paratha]

I want to see how Archer reacts when he's out in the sun for a whole day. There were brief phases when it looked like he was losing interest. But from the little I've seen of him, that seems to be his default look which can be deceptive because he then strolls in, and bowls a nice bouncer.

His pace was in the embarrassing 130s but was also getting some surprising bounce in the 2nd innings. Should he play over Broad? Probably deserves one more game in the sun chasing leather before Broad comes in ahead of him.

I see him pulling an Amir and retiring from test cricket prematurely.

 

[gazza619]

I see him pulling an Amir and retiring from test cricket prematurely.

I am reaching to the point where I am thinking cricket boards should make the rule that you cannot chose to retire from a format. If you retire, you retire completely full stop.

This needs to be done to save test cricket.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I see him pulling an Amir and retiring from test cricket prematurely.

Why would he? He has a million dollar IPL Contract. If Amir had one he would have been playing International cricket under any management.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I am reaching to the point where I am thinking cricket boards should make the rule that you cannot chose to retire from a format. If you retire, you retire completely full stop.

This needs to be done to save test cricket.

What?? Why ??
If someone’s body is not suited to rigours of test cricket you want that person to be denied of earning opportunities. Pretty sure no board is stupid like that.
You manage around that so that you have best possible team in every format.

 

[Mamoon]

In Tests:

Cummins averages 21 and a strike rate of a wicket every 47 balls.
Bumrah averages 22 and a wicket strike rate of 48 balls.
Starc average 27 with a strike rate of 49 balls.
Boult averages 28 and a strike rate of 56 balls.
Anderson 26 average and 55 balls.
Broad 27 average and 56 balls.
Woakes 29 average and 58 balls.

And there are many others, too.

Archer has a very high bowling average of 31 and a poor strike rate of a wicket every 63 balls. He's not even in the top 4 English fast bowlers on the tour for performance. Even Stokes at 31 average and 57 strike rate, has a better record - and he's a batsman first.

Archer may prove himself in time. But he has a very, very long way to go, especially away from home in the subcontinent conditions.

It's these type of dumb comments from people who know very little about cricket, that are the real issue.

Please provide analysis, not stats.

We know what his stats look like, a regular fan can get them from Cricinfo statsguru as well.

As a professional bowling coach with international experience, instead of quoting stats, you should discuss what makes Cummins and Bumrah more successful and potent than Archer, what Archer needs to do to get his average pace up, is there a problem with his action, run-up etc.

Tell us what the England bowling coach should do to work on those aspects, how Joe Root should utilize him etc.

Also, averages and strikes rate alone do not tell the full story. He took out India’s openers in the first innings with the new ball and that set the tone for the rest of the innings and pushed India on the back-foot.

Had Rohit and Gill put up a 100+ partnership and if Gill and Pujara would have had a long partnership, the Indian total could have looked different and that would have influenced the outcome of the match.

Impact is often overlooked when we look at averages and strike rates alone, and Archer is an impact bowler. The value that he brings to the England bowling attack goes beyond what his average and strike rate looks like.

At times, a two wicket spell can be more valuable than a 5 wicket haul, based on the context, the situation, the quality of batsmen who were dismissed etc. As a bowling coach, I am sure you appreciate that.

 

[Sir-fraz]

Please provide analysis, not stats.

We know what his stats look like, a regular fan can get them from Cricinfo statsguru as well.

As a professional bowling coach with international experience, instead of quoting stats, you should discuss what makes Cummins and Bumrah more successful and potent than Archer, what Archer needs to do to get his average pace up, is there a problem with his action, run-up etc.

Tell us what the England bowling coach should do to work on those aspects, how Joe Root should utilize him etc.

Also, averages and strikes rate alone do not tell the full story. He took out India’s openers in the first innings with the new ball and that set the tone for the rest of the innings and pushed India on the back-foot.

Had Rohit and Gill put up a 100+ partnership and if Gill and Pujara would have had a long partnership, the Indian total could have looked difference and that would have influenced the outcome of the match.

Impact is often overlooked when we look at averages and strike rates alone, and Archer is an impact bowler. The value that he brings to the England bowling attack goes beyond what his average and strike rate looks like.

At times, a two wicket spell can be more valuable than a 5 wicket haul, based on the context, the situation, the quality of batsmen who were dismissed etc. As a bowling coach, I am sure you appreciate that.

Then going by your logic of impact, he hasnt impacted a lot of tests then.

You made the argument that archer is a top 3 bowler without any stats or analysis to back your claim. Except that he has a lot of potential.

Sounds exactly like pak posters here hyping up naseem and shaheen etc..

Impact will always relflect in the avgerage as well. We all know afridi was an impact player but more often then not he would get out before he impacted the game.

And its the same with archer in tests. He has impacted like maybe 4 innings in the tests hes played. Ita not like he has bowled badly. Hes just not top 3 as you want to believe.

He would be impacting the game a lot more if his strike rate and avg was lower. Like cummins, bumrah etc

He clearly doesnt have the attitude to be the best test bowler in the world, and will end up as a what if he put his all in, what kind of bowler would he have been. In the afridi category.

You can see that by his body language in the field.

If eng really want to make the best use of his abilities 3-4 over bursts will be the best way to utilize him. Because him bowling at 130kph makes no sense
As of now potential is top bowlers worthy but the work put in isnt.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Please provide analysis, not stats.

We know what his stats look like, a regular fan can get them from Cricinfo statsguru as well.

As a professional bowling coach with international experience, instead of quoting stats, you should discuss what makes Cummins and Bumrah more successful and potent than Archer, what Archer needs to do to get his average pace up, is there a problem with his action, run-up etc.

Tell us what the England bowling coach should do to work on those aspects, how Joe Root should utilize him etc.

Also, averages and strikes rate alone do not tell the full story. He took out India’s openers in the first innings with the new ball and that set the tone for the rest of the innings and pushed India on the back-foot.

Had Rohit and Gill put up a 100+ partnership and if Gill and Pujara would have had a long partnership, the Indian total could have looked difference and that would have influenced the outcome of the match.

Impact is often overlooked when we look at averages and strike rates alone, and Archer is an impact bowler. The value that he brings to the England bowling attack goes beyond what his average and strike rate looks like.

At times, a two wicket spell can be more valuable than a 5 wicket haul, based on the context, the situation, the quality of batsmen who were dismissed etc. As a bowling coach, I am sure you appreciate that.

Archer's biggest strength is that he is one of the best and most naturally gifted athletes you will ever see. He is naturally strong, with an great structure and very flexible (almost cat-like).

However, his bowling action; which even though looks easy on the eye, is not easy to execute when the body is stiff.
As Ian would agree, he has fantastic 4 tent pegs, and his base due to the braced leg as well as high release point are world class.

However, the issue is he doesn't pull his left side completely and fails to catapult on his obliques, which places enormous amount of stress on the lower back.

If you want to know what I mean, try bowling at full pelt without pulling your left side down and using it to bring the right side across.
You will get stiff very easily because the lower back will have to do all the work to stabilize the body.

This is why he bowls quick when the body is fresh but finds it harder to maintain his pace when the muscles have stiffened up and have lactic acid build up.
Unlike other bowlers his action doesn't allow him to use contraction to power through a spell.

Had he been a 135 kph bowler using energy through the crease and a bent knee at release, he could have gotten away with not pulling his left side. Guys like Marshall, Tanvir and Wasim used to do this and have had no issues with their back.

Now read this and make peace with reality.
Archer definitely has potential, but his method isnt reliable at the moment.

Another thing not going for him is his lack of character.
I have not seen fire in his attitude that can be associated with world class performers.

For the moment, what i see is a fair-weather bowler who lacks the grit and determination to put his body on the line for the sake of his adopted country.

 

[Ian Pont]

Archer's biggest strength is that he is one of the best and most naturally gifted athletes you will ever see. He is naturally strong, with an great structure and very flexible (almost cat-like).

However, his bowling action; which even though looks easy on the eye, is not easy to execute when the body is stiff.
As Ian would agree, he has fantastic 4 tent pegs, and his base due to the braced leg as well as high release point are world class.

However, the issue is he doesn't pull his left side completely and fails to catapult on his obliques, which places enormous amount of stress on the lower back.

If you want to know what I mean, try bowling at full pelt without pulling your left side down and using it to bring the right side across.
You will get stiff very easily because the lower back will have to do all the work to stabilize the body.

This is why he bowls quick when the body is fresh but finds it harder to maintain his pace when the muscles have stiffened up and have lactic acid build up.
Unlike other bowlers his action doesn't allow him to use contraction to power through a spell.

Had he been a 135 kph bowler using energy through the crease and a bent knee at release, he could have gotten away with not pulling his left side. Guys like Marshall, Tanvir and Wasim used to do this and have had no issues with their back.

Now read this and make peace with reality.
Archer definitely has potential, but his method isnt reliable at the moment.

Another thing not going for him is his lack of character.
I have not seen fire in his attitude that can be associated with world class performers.

For the moment, what i see is a fair-weather bowler who lacks the grit and determination to put his body on the line for the sake of his adopted country.

Amen

 

[Mamoon]

Then going by your logic of impact, he hasnt impacted a lot of tests then.

You made the argument that archer is a top 3 bowler without any stats or analysis to back your claim. Except that he has a lot of potential.

Sounds exactly like pak posters here hyping up naseem and shaheen etc..

Impact will always relflect in the avgerage as well. We all know afridi was an impact player but more often then not he would get out before he impacted the game.

And its the same with archer in tests. He has impacted like maybe 4 innings in the tests hes played. Ita not like he has bowled badly. Hes just not top 3 as you want to believe.

He would be impacting the game a lot more if his strike rate and avg was lower. Like cummins, bumrah etc

He clearly doesnt have the attitude to be the best test bowler in the world, and will end up as a what if he put his all in, what kind of bowler would he have been. In the afridi category.

You can see that by his body language in the field.

If eng really want to make the best use of his abilities 3-4 over bursts will be the best way to utilize him. Because him bowling at 130kph makes no sense
As of now potential is top bowlers worthy but the work put in isnt.

Except it is not like Naseem and Shaheen. Naseem is a complete nobody and Shaheen, although a good bowler with a lot of potential, has not come close to reaching the heights that Archer has.

Archer was fast-tracked by England to help them win the World Cup and he delivered. He was probably the only cricketer ever who was debuted with the expectations that he would help his country win the World Cup.

It is hard to think of any cricketer in an era who was under so much pressure right from his debut. He was not allowed to ease into international cricket.

The way he bowled in the Ashes following the World Cup was also very special.

Archer is quite an incredible bowler and people can try to put him down by talking about his average and strike rate, but the value that he carries for ECB is quite huge.

They don’t have any alternatives to him and he will always be picked whenever he is fit and in good rhythm.

Teams around the world also view him as a major threat. Even if he goes wicket-less for a few innings, he is not someone that anyone is going to look at as a weak-link. He carries a fear factor that is not always captured in numbers.

The spell that he bowled with the new ball in the first innings alone was enough to show the aura that he carries. He also hurried Kohli like few bowlers have managed.

 

[Kroll]

Are we still being told that Archer's the best in the world? )

Oh my.

 

[Robert]

Archer's lack of stamina concerns me in the forthcoming Australian Ashes. Root will need him to come back at 5 p.m. with a hard burst, and Archer will do one of his 80 mph displays and let the pressure off.

Real fast bowlers come back for their second and third spells with hostitlity. Dennis Lillee was famously as quick at 6 pm as he was at 11 a.m. Brearley, Imran, Hadlee all noted this, and he inspired the latter two to build their fitness.

 

[Mamoon]

The great thing about England right now is they have a lot of options that they can rotate effectively.

Archer’s emergence has not only transformed England’s attack but it has actually helped prolong the career of Anderson.

They can comfortably rest him after every couple of Tests without worrying about leaving a gaping hole in the attack.

It will be interesting to see what combination they go with in the D/N Test.

 

[MenInG]

Argue as much as you like but do not get personal with each other. Simple Rule and show respect to all posters.

 

[Forum363]

Except it is not like Naseem and Shaheen. Naseem is a complete nobody and Shaheen, although a good bowler with a lot of potential, has not come close to reaching the heights that Archer has.

Archer was fast-tracked by England to help them win the World Cup and he delivered. He was probably the only cricketer ever who was debuted with the expectations that he would help his country win the World Cup.

It is hard to think of any cricketer in an era who was under so much pressure right from his debut. He was not allowed to ease into international cricket.

The way he bowled in the Ashes following the World Cup was also very special.

Archer is quite an incredible bowler and people can try to put him down by talking about his average and strike rate, but the value that he carries for ECB is quite huge.

They don’t have any alternatives to him and he will always be picked whenever he is fit and in good rhythm.

Teams around the world also view him as a major threat. Even if he goes wicket-less for a few innings, he is not someone that anyone is going to look at as a weak-link. He carries a fear factor that is not always captured in numbers.

The spell that he bowled with the new ball in the first innings alone was enough to show the aura that he carries. He also hurried Kohli like few bowlers have managed.

Your two arguments for why Archer is the best in the world are that he was fast tracked by England and his performance in the Ashes.

Firstly the fast tracking says more about England and their reputation for taking foreign cricketers than it says about Archer.

Secondly Archer got 22 wickets in the ashes but like you said, it’s worth looking at the impact of those wickets and not just looking at stats.

TEST 1 - did not play because he wasn’t fit enough after the World Cup.

TEST 2 - he took 5 wickets in a heavily rain affected match which were inconsequential as it was always going to be a draw.

TEST 3 - England won and he took 8 wickets... But wait. Out of those - FIVE were tailenders. Yes five. And the only reason England won was by a superhuman ATG single handed effort from Ben Stokes. So in reality and NOT LOOKING AT JUST STATS, a very average performance.

TEST 4 - After Stokes has pulled off an unbelievable innings to give the England team hope, and everyone is talking about the importance of momentum - Australia bat first and any hope of a resurgence is ruined by Archers 0-97 performance. England never come back from that innings and though Archer takes a few cheap wickets in the second innings when Australia are scoring quick runs, England crash to a heavy defeat.

TEST 5 - His bowling in the first innings is his only great bowling performance. Takes out the top order and cleans up the tail. Credit where it’s due. He’s expensive and wicketless in the second innings but England win the match and his contribution is key.


So I’m summary, he was brilliant in one innings of the Ashes series yet he’s constantly hyped because he bowled some good bouncers and injured Steve Smith who came back to utterly humiliate him and score a double century.

 

[Forum363]

Just to follow up, after this series he went to New Zealand a few months later and bowled absolutely atrociously. His fans made the excuse that because of his pace he needs longer than usual to rest and the fact that he was ONLY given a few months to rest means he wasn’t quite fresh. Next he follows it up with some rubbish performances against South Africa and a weak Pakistan batting line up at home.

Now in India - he is being praised for taking 2 wickets at the beginning of the match and ‘hurrying Kohli’ a few times.

 

[Sir-fraz]

Except it is not like Naseem and Shaheen. Naseem is a complete nobody and Shaheen, although a good bowler with a lot of potential, has not come close to reaching the heights that Archer has.

Archer was fast-tracked by England to help them win the World Cup and he delivered. He was probably the only cricketer ever who was debuted with the expectations that he would help his country win the World Cup.

It is hard to think of any cricketer in an era who was under so much pressure right from his debut. He was not allowed to ease into international cricket.

The way he bowled in the Ashes following the World Cup was also very special.

Archer is quite an incredible bowler and people can try to put him down by talking about his average and strike rate, but the value that he carries for ECB is quite huge.

They don’t have any alternatives to him and he will always be picked whenever he is fit and in good rhythm.

Teams around the world also view him as a major threat. Even if he goes wicket-less for a few innings, he is not someone that anyone is going to look at as a weak-link. He carries a fear factor that is not always captured in numbers.

The spell that he bowled with the new ball in the first innings alone was enough to show the aura that he carries. He also hurried Kohli like few bowlers have managed.

Still doesnt put him in the top 3 bowlers. In odis you can make that arguement but in tests cricket he is not even top 10.

Picking and choosing 2 innings here and there where he has performed well doesnt help your argument.

As the poster above forum363 breaks down his ashes performence. He really has done much to given the tag of top 3 all format bowler.

He still new and has a lot of upside. You are over hyping him at this moment. He still has 3 tests in india lets see how he performs.

 

[aloo paratha]

Why would he? He has a million dollar IPL Contract. If Amir had one he would have been playing International cricket under any management.

He seems disinterested in playing test cricket. He's also not that good, he's gonna be a better LOI bowler than a test bowler.

 

[Kroll]

Archer's emergence has not only transformed England's attack but has totally revolutionised the art of fast bowling.

If you combined Wasim Akram, McGrath and Malcolm Marshall into one, he'd still be twice the bowler.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Archer's emergence has not only transformed England's attack but has totally revolutionised the art of fast bowling.

If you combined Wasim Akram, McGrath and Malcolm Marshall into one, he'd still be twice the bowler.

"He is already better than Shoaib, Lee, Johnson, and is basically a quicker version of Ambrose".

 

[shaz619]

Far from the finished article but he is a quality bowler who will only grow from here, but the fact that from an England POV we still select him over our other options at this stage of his career just shows the faith England management have in him, Jofra is a welcome addition to the set up and also allows us to rotate out seamers, he offers a unique threat with his steep bounce.

Tests are not easy but he has some decent performances behind him, am sure if Pakistan had him in their line up they would be hyping him to the moon

 

[Mamoon]

Far from the finished article but he is a quality bowler who will only grow from here, but the fact that from an England POV we still select him over our other options at this stage of his career just shows the faith England management have in him, Jofra is a welcome addition to the set up and also allows us to rotate out seamers, he offers a unique threat with his steep bounce.

Tests are not easy but he has some decent performances behind him, am sure if Pakistan had him in their line up they would be hyping him to the moon

Archer repaid the faith England showed in him at the World Cup. They realize what his value and worth is, regardless of what people on the internet sitting on Cricinfo statsguru.

You are so right about how much Pakistan would hype him. We have people comparing a nobody like Naseem to him. Archer can retire today and he would still have more achievements in his first year of international cricket than Naseem would in 10 years.

Archer is a very, very special cricketer. He just oozes talent and charisma. He has real presence on the field and the opposition always mark him as a major threat regardless of what his critics think.

He played a massive role in the win in the first Test with his new ball spell in the first innings and the way he unsettled Kohli on a pitch that had nothing in it.

This is the X factor that England previously lacked, and his emergence will help prolong the career of Anderson.

Full credit to ECB for welcoming this once in a generation talent into their system after he got lost in the WI system.

 

[Robert]

Archer's emergence has not only transformed England's attack but has totally revolutionised the art of fast bowling.

If you combined Wasim Akram, McGrath and Malcolm Marshall into one, he'd still be twice the bowler.

Not sure if sarcasm.

 

[Buffet]

Please provide analysis, not stats.

We know what his stats look like, a regular fan can get them from Cricinfo statsguru as well.

As a professional bowling coach with international experience, instead of quoting stats, you should discuss what makes Cummins and Bumrah more successful and potent than Archer, what Archer needs to do to get his average pace up, is there a problem with his action, run-up etc.

Since it is clear to you that Bumrah and Cummins are at a different level, why even club Archer with them?

Discussion about what Archer needs to do to be as successful as Bumrah/Cummins shouldn't start with saying that Archer is on the same level. There is a disconnect there.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

He seems disinterested in playing test cricket. He's also not that good, he's gonna be a better LOI bowler than a test bowler.

Too early to judge. I believe he will be real impact player in any form. He has the means to trouble batters even on flattest wickets.
He is a chilled out character... But very competitive.

 

[Mamoon]

Since it is clear to you that Bumrah and Cummins are at a different level, why even club Archer with them?

Discussion about what Archer needs to do to be as successful as Bumrah/Cummins shouldn't start with saying that Archer is on the same level. There is a disconnect there.

I rate Cummins higher in Test cricket, but Archer is much better in white ball cricket and he is also a big impact bowler in Tests, which is why I rate him better when we talk about all-formats. Purely in Test cricket, Cummins is obviously the best at the moment.

Bumrah vs Archer is very close in my view because the former is so good in all three formats, but I choose Archer due to personal preference.

Nevertheless, I was looking forward to some insightful analysis by a professional bowling coach on the differences between Archer and Cummins/Bumrah, what Archer needs to do to keep his average pace up, how he can take wickets more regularly, what makes the former two more consistent. Is there an issue with his run-up, his action, is it a fitness problem etc.

Nevertheless, Archer bowled really well in the first Test, he made a big impact on the proceedings with his early wickets with the new ball in the first innings and Joe Root and the England camp recognizes his importance and value to England, irrespective of how people insist that he is overrated.

 

[Forum363]

I rate Cummins higher in Test cricket, but Archer is much better in white ball cricket and he is also a big impact bowler in Tests, which is why I rate him better when we talk about all-formats. Purely in Test cricket, Cummins is obviously the best at the moment.

Bumrah vs Archer is very close in my view because the former is so good in all three formats, but I choose Archer due to personal preference.

Nevertheless, I was looking forward to some insightful analysis by a professional bowling coach on the differences between Archer and Cummins/Bumrah, what Archer needs to do to keep his average pace up, how he can take wickets more regularly, what makes the former two more consistent. Is there an issue with his run-up, his action, is it a fitness problem etc.

Nevertheless, Archer bowled really well in the first Test, he made a big impact on the proceedings with his early wickets with the new ball in the first innings and Joe Root and the England camp recognizes his importance and value to England, irrespective of how people insist that he is overrated.

You are hyping a bowler getting two wickets in a match, absolutely hilarious. And the two wickets are openers- not even the likes of Kohli / Pujara.

As I’ve broken down, he only really has ever bowled brilliantly and performed well in one innings? Everything else is subjective airy fairy ‘fear factor’ ‘opposition are worried about him’ ‘he bowled some good deliveries’ blah blah kind of points.

When you have to resort to things like ‘he troubled Kohli so he had a good match’ it shows how little tangible evidence you have to back up your claim.

 

[Firebat]

Jofra out of the 2nd Test vs India with some discomfort in his right elbow. How big a miss will that be?

 

[Forum363]

Jofra out of the 2nd Test vs India with some discomfort in his right elbow. How big a miss will that be?

Well it certainly is great news for Archer who has been rubbish in Tests away from home and getting a free ride, being picked over the likes of Broad and Wood who have performed much better than him over more matches.

This gives him a chance to get some much needed rest after bowling in a whole test match at 80mph. A bowler of his skill and pace needs at least 4 weeks off after a performance like that where he regularly made Virat Kohli uncomfortable. I read reports that Anushka had to be brought into the dressing room during the breaks because Kohli was so rattled by Jofra's bowling.

 

[aloo paratha]

Maybe a genuinely fast bowler like Wood can play instead.

 

[Hasan123]

Maybe a genuinely fast bowler like Wood can play instead.

Wood is on his way to India now. He will be available for the 3rd test. Stone will probably take Archers place but that would be a risk when he hasn't played much first class cricket in recent time.

 

[aloo paratha]

Wood is on his way to India now. He will be available for the 3rd test. Stone will probably take Archers place but that would be a risk when he hasn't played much first class cricket in recent time.

Wasn't Wood there in Sri Lanka? Why did he leave the squad?

 

[Technics 1210]

Archer out of second test vs India through injury.

India v England: Injured Jofra Archer to miss second Test - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/56031521

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Archer repaid the faith England showed in him at the World Cup. They realize what his value and worth is, regardless of what people on the internet sitting on Cricinfo statsguru.

What makes you any different to these people?

 

[wajid]

They say love is blind. If a fan is in love with a performer then so be it. Archer’s fans will rate him and no amount of rational arguments are going to change this. They “believe “ in him and it is a matter of personal preference. Just like me, who rates saeed Anwer over last Inzi, yousuf, younis etc...

 

[Hasan123]

Wasn't Wood there in Sri Lanka? Why did he leave the squad?

Part of England’s rotation policy. Wood has had injury issues, I’m sure they will want him to stay fit and fresh for the ashes.

 

[ManFan]

Archer is above-average.

But not on a Cummins level.

 

[Hitman]

Archer is above-average.

But not on a Cummins level.

Cummins is on his way of becoming an all time great.

 

[Forum363]

Archer is above-average.

But not on a Cummins level.

He would be getting destroyed by Rohit Sharma right now.

 

[James]

Olly Stone bowling much better today than Jofra Archer did in the first match. No doubt about the kid’s capability in limited overs cricket, or his natural talent — but the jury is still very much out on Archer in Test cricket.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Already missing Archer. Was looking forward to watching him making Kohli uncomfortable.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Already missing Archer. Was looking forward to watching him making Kohli uncomfortable.

I think line and length seam bowlers make kohli uncomfortable not these Archer type bowlers.
Abbas will cause more problems than Archer.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

I think line and length seam bowlers make kohli uncomfortable not these Archer type bowlers.
Abbas will cause more problems than Archer.

You sir have got no idea what you are saying. What do you mean, Archer type bowlers? He has the speed of Akhtar and the relentless line n length of Ambrose.
Ever seen a bowler with such attributes?
The way he charged in at 95mph in the last test, and took 3 wickets kn total, including getting Gill caught at mid-on, was exilherating to watch.

He has already got into Kohli's head. Poor thing cant locate the ball as was evident today.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Already missing Archer. Was looking forward to watching him making Kohli uncomfortable.

Make*

 

[Varun]

He has already got into Kohli's head. Poor thing cant locate the ball as was evident today.

Wait what? Kohli couldn't locate the ball from a Moeen Ali delivery today because of some black magic Archer did in his ~3/100 spell in a test a week ago?

Pseudo technical analysis 101.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Wait what? Kohli couldn't locate the ball from a Moeen Ali delivery today because of some black magic Archer did in his ~3/100 spell in a test a week ago?

Pseudo technical analysis 101.

Bruh...easy there. You have really got no idea.
The stats and results dont matter as such. It is all about a bowler's impact.

Archer is a dangerous proposition at all times and the opposition will always be weary of him even when he is on the bench.
And that is what we got to see today with Kohli.

 

[Robert]

Watching Stone steaming in fast at 6 pm might cure Archer of his limiting belief.

 

[MenInG]

3/23 in 4 overs - brilliant from Archer - warming up for IPL

 

[Mesozoic]

Bowled brilliantly today.

Masterstroke from England to fly him from Barbados. Has pretty much guaranteed them at least 3 ICC titles. Already got one.

 

[Mamoon]

Best in the world.

 

[Sir-fraz]

Best in the world.

Lol calm down dude, most impactful in the world. But that doesnt mean most consistent or the best.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Bowled brilliantly today.

Masterstroke from England to fly him from Barbados. Has pretty much guaranteed them at least 3 ICC titles. Already got one.

Lol.

ECB are a professional cricket board. They have a solid methodology and planning.

The efficacy of their system is what's won them ICC title.

Tournaments are won by good solid teams, not individuals

As matches are played and weeks go by, only the best teams remain there!

 

[MenInG]

England pace ace, Jofra Archer, is likely to miss the Indian Premier League. According to a report by the UK daily The Telegraph, Archer - who plays for Rajasthan Royals - could pull out of the tournament, which begins in April, in an attempt to get himself fit for England action.

The report states that he will have a third injection on a troublesome right elbow and that could mean that that the IPL's Player of the Tournament in 2020 may not be available for Rajasthan Royals. The franchise, however, did not react on the matter.

The Royals - which finished at the bottom of the table - was looking forward to making a strong comeback in the 2021 edition, but Archer’s absence could hurt the side. However, in the auction, Royals snapped up Mustafizur Rahman and Chris Morris.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-england-cricket-team-ecb/article34118971.ece

 

[WengerOut]

England pace ace, Jofra Archer, is likely to miss the Indian Premier League. According to a report by the UK daily The Telegraph, Archer - who plays for Rajasthan Royals - could pull out of the tournament, which begins in April, in an attempt to get himself fit for England action.

The report states that he will have a third injection on a troublesome right elbow and that could mean that that the IPL's Player of the Tournament in 2020 may not be available for Rajasthan Royals. The franchise, however, did not react on the matter.

The Royals - which finished at the bottom of the table - was looking forward to making a strong comeback in the 2021 edition, but Archer’s absence could hurt the side. However, in the auction, Royals snapped up Mustafizur Rahman and Chris Morris.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-england-cricket-team-ecb/article34118971.ece

Atleast for now it is just the first half of IPL as per CI.

 

[Saj]

Jofra Archer is returning to the UK for further management and investigation of his right elbow injury.

Jofra’s elbow issue has deteriorated over the course of the Twenty20 International series and made it increasingly challenging for him to maintain performance levels. He has been deemed unfit for selection for the ODI series that features matches on 23, 26 and 28 March.

The ECB medical team will assess the player and, together with Jofra, develop a treatment plan and a return-to-play schedule in due course. As a consequence, Jofra will miss the start of this year’s Indian Premier League.

 

[OMB]

Rajasthan Royals will be ok for a while if he looses the start. after 3 matches it would start hurting

 

[Hasan123]

A blow for RR, luckily they have Chris Morris and Mustafizur in their squad.

 

[Forum363]

Overrated arrogant bowler.

Never wish injury upon anyone but it’s good to see him put in his place somewhat.

 

[Savak]

I wonder if his bowling action is very demanding for his elbow. This could be a life long problem. Elbow injuries are very serious.

 

[Forum363]

I wonder if his bowling action is very demanding for his elbow. This could be a life long problem. Elbow injuries are very serious.

Ironic given how everyone hyped him up as having such an ‘effortless’ action.

He barely plays two matches before getting injured.

Not to mention his terrible attitude.

 

[iniqbal223]

Shoaib and Lee used to do that

Jofra may be another Munaf Patel

started with 145+, then slowly , all become a slow-fast-medium-death-bowler-with-lots-of-variations
kind of bowler in time to come

 

[MenInG]

England fast bowler Jofra Archer will undergo a procedure to his right hand following a scan and subsequent Consultant review since he returned to the UK on Tuesday.

He has also had a further injection for the right elbow injury that had seen him declared unfit for selection for the current ODI series versus India.

The procedure on Jofra’s hand will take place on Monday 29 March so he can recover during the planned break following his elbow injection.

Jofra suffered a cut to his hand while cleaning at his home in January shortly before flying to India to prepare for the Test series. The injury was managed by the ECB’s medical team through the tour and it did not impact on his availability.

Further investigation and a specialist opinion was sought upon his return to the UK and, in conjunction with the ECB medical panel, it has been decided that surgery is the best option to manage his injury in the longer term.

 

[MenInG]

England pace bowler Jofra Archer underwent successful surgery to his right hand on Monday. A fragment of glass was removed during the operation to his middle finger on his right hand.

He will now commence two weeks of rehabilitation. The Consultant will review him before returning to training.

Further update on his elbow injury will be provided once he has returned to bowling to assess the effectiveness of his recent injection.

Archer suffered a cut to his hand while cleaning at his home in January shortly before flying to India to prepare for the Test series. The ECB’s medical team managed the injury throughout the tour, and it did not impact on his availability.

 

[Technics 1210]

Jofra will be history in a few years.

Remember, he didn't win the WC for England in the final, his super over was a tie. He then followed up with a couple of Ashes performances.

This is it. 1st year hit wonder. Attitude from top to bottom. Deserves to be dropped permanently.

Yes, cut his hand while cleaning! More like he threw a tantrum.

 

[Forum363]

Jofra will be history in a few years.

Remember, he didn't win the WC for England in the final, his super over was a tie. He then followed up with a couple of Ashes performances.

This is it. 1st year hit wonder. Attitude from top to bottom. Deserves to be dropped permanently.

Yes, cut his hand while cleaning! �� More like he threw a tantrum.

Not even couple, he had one really good innings in the ashes.

And then he was injured for months. After that he has been rubbish in every away

 

[MenInG]

Jofra Archer Injury Update

England and Sussex bowler Jofra Archer has been given the all-clear by his hand Consultant to resume training after his right hand continues to heal following his operation on Monday 29 March.

He will return to light training this week, working closely with the Sussex and England men’s medical teams.

It is hoped that he will be able to up his intensity with his bowling from next week.

A further update on his elbow injury will be provided once he has returned to bowling to assess the effectiveness of his recent injection.

No decision has been made as yet on when Archer is due to return to playing.

Archer suffered a cut to his hand while cleaning at his home in January shortly before flying to India to prepare for the Test series. The ECB’s medical team managed the injury throughout the tour, and it did not impact his availability. A fragment of glass was removed during the operation to his middle finger on his right hand in March.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Injuries will hold Archer back I'm afraid. Which is a shame because bowlers like him don't come along often. He'll drop his pace and he won't become anything special

 

[sindhiboy]

Injuries will hold Archer back I'm afraid. Which is a shame because bowlers like him don't come along often. He'll drop his pace and he won't become anything special

I think his variations in limited overs are just as effective as his pace in limited overs


He hasn't been at his best in tests so far.
The eng test team should not worry though, olly stone looked more threatening than Archer in india.

I think we will see the best of archers pace in the ashes in australia later this year.
We can enjoy his speeds for the next few years at least.

 

[Firebat]

Jofra Archer to sit out 2021 IPL

The England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) has confirmed that England and Sussex bowler Jofra Archer will not play in the 2021 Indian Premier League.

Archer returned to bowling this week with higher intensity, and the ECB and Sussex medical teams will continue to monitor his progress.

Archer will now step up his training regime starting next week and will be in full training with Sussex. It is expected that he will return to cricket in the next fortnight if he can continue to bowl and prepare pain-free.

The ECB will confirm which matches he is expected to play in due course.

 

[OMB]

England pacer Jofra Archer poised for County Championship return with Sussex

England pacer Jofra Archer is set to make a comeback as he could play his first-class match for Sussex since September 2018 after being named in a 13-man squad for the County Championship match against Kent which gets underway on Thursday.

Archer had suffered a cut to his hand while cleaning at his home in January shortly before flying to India to prepare for the Test series.

The ECB's medical team managed the injury throughout the tour, and it did not impact his availability. A fragment of glass was removed during the operation to his middle finger on his right hand in March.

Archer had played two Tests and all the five T20Is against India, and then he was ruled out from the ODI series and the first half of the IPL.

The England pacer is joined in the squad by George Garton, who returns after being rested for the match against Northamptonshire last week. The pair replace Joe Sarro and Jamie Atkins, with the latter being rested.

"Any team in world cricket would be excited to name Jofra [Archer] in their squad for a game. Everybody is aware of his talents," Sussex Cricket website quoted coach Ian Salisbury as saying.

"George [Garton] comes back in after we gave him last week off as part of our policy of rotating players. Based on how he has been in training over the last couple of days it was definitely the right thing to do. He's been buzzing and full of energy and comes back into the squad reinvigorated," he further said.

"Similarly, Crocs [Henry Crocombe] was away with us in Northampton but didn't play and that gave him the opportunity to work with our S&C guys to make sure he got the right amount of rest."

"He's also looked really fresh while bowling in training over the last couple of days. Jamie Atkins is rested this week. He could play if he had to, but he reported sore shins up at Northampton so didn't play up there and it is the right thing to do with a young man," Salisbury added.

After ten matches, the top two teams in each of the competition's three groups will go into division one to battle for the Championship title over the course of four more rounds. Those in third and fourth will compete in division two, and the fifth- and sixth- placed sides will finish their season in division three.

Tom Haines remains Sussex's top run scorer, with 492 from his ten innings to date, putting him fifth overall and 75 runs behind the Championship's leading run-scorer, Durham's David Bedingham.

Sussex Squad: Ben Brown (captain/wicketkeeper), Jofra Archer, Jack Carson, Tom Clark, Henry Crocombe, George Garton, Tom Haines, Travis Head, Stuart Meaker, Delray Rawlins, Ollie Robinson (vice-captain), Aaron Thomason, Stiaan van Zyl

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/article/england-pacer-jofra-archer-poised-for-county-championship-return-with-sussex/756472

 

[MenInG]

England speedster Jofra Archer is hopeful of returning to India for the now-suspended IPL if the T20 tournament is rescheduled later in the year.

The 26-year-old had missed the IPL due to an elbow injury that he sustained during England's tour of India.

"If I did go to India, I probably would have come home early anyway. Hopefully, if it (IPL) does get rescheduled for this year, I will be able to go again," said Archer.

"It was a hard decision not to go to India. It was really unpredictable, I could have gone, but I don't know how many games I would have played." The IPL was indefinitely suspended last Tuesday after multiple COVID cases inside the bio-bubble.

He made a successful return to cricket from an injury lay-off, scalping two wickets in his first competitive match in more than one and a half months.

Turning out for Sussex in a County Championship game against Kent on Thursday, Archer finished with figures of 2 for 29 from his 13 overs, which included the wickets of Zak Crawley and Kent skipper Bell Drummond, as the tourists were bundled out for 145.

"My fitness is fine. I thought I bowled okay. I played in the (Sussex) second team last week and it's good to get some confidence and I felt fine," Archer said.

"I bowled in short spells for protection in case we had a long day but it was overcast, which helped a bit. There was a bit of management, but it all worked out."

Archer, whose last appearance was the fifth T20I between India and England on March 20, was struggling with a freak hand injury and later underwent a surgery to remove a glass fragment from a tendon on his right hand after an attempt to clean his fish tank went wrong.

Boys have earned fair and square: Ravi Shastri on India's Test No.1 status

The 26-year-pacer had sustained the injury at his home in January and the surgery was conducted while he was still undergoing treatment for a long-term elbow injury.

The ongoing match is Archer's last chance to prove his fitness ahead of England's Test series against New Zealand, which starts on June 2 at Lord's.

Sportstar

 

[OMB]

"Hopefully When It's Rescheduled, I Get To Play": Jofra Archer On IPL 2021

Jofra Archer thanked Rajasthan Royals for supporting him during his injury and said that he is hopeful of representing them when the IPL 2021

Having returned to competitive cricket, Jofra Archer has revealed that it was a tough decision to pull out of the Indian Premier League (IPL) 2021 season due to his injury. But the English pacer has said that he could play for Rajasthan Royals (RR), when IPL 2021 gets "rescheduled." The competition was postponed indefinitely midway through the season, after several players and support staff tested positive within the bio-secure bubble. The BCCI is yet to announce a resumption date for the franchise-based T20 league.

Speaking through RR's Twitter handle, Archer said, "It was a hard decision to not go to India for the IPL. Rajasthan Royals supported me. Hopefully when it's rescheduled, I get to play."

Archer suffered a cut to his hand while cleaning at his home in January. Despite the injury, he played in two Test matches and five T20Is, before departing for the United Kingdom midway through England's tour of India for rehabilitation.

The 2019 World Cup winner is currently being monitored by Sussex medical team, and is representing them in a County Championship fixture vs Kent.

The pacer's return will be good news for the ECB, with England scheduled to host New Zealand in a two-match Test series this year, and also India in a five-match bilateral series.

The T20 World Cup is also scheduled to be held this year in India, and Archer will be a key part of England's bowling department.

Without Archer in their ranks, Rajasthan performed inconsistently in IPL 2021, before the season got postponed. The Royals were fifth in the table with three wins and four defeats

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/jofra-archer-says-hoping-to-play-in-ipl-2021-when-its-rescheduled-2442423