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11-0: Who will take down Pakistan's undefeated T20I series streak?

England and India would beat us. On flat pitches I think Australia would beat us to be honest.
 
Discussion should be based on T20s not ODIs. Why some posters are dragging different formats to discredit Pak T20s performance? Maybe they have nothing substantial to prove how India or England would be better than Pak in T20s. This team is developing into a confident and sensible unit aided with tremendous improvement in fielding standards. Before Aus and NZ series we were told theseteam would really test us, WI , SL and Zimbabwe are easy picking. Well we have now beaten Aus and NZ as well. And these teams have fun T20 players such as Maxwell Finch Munro Taylor Williamson and also many good bowlers.
 
Discussion should be based on T20s not ODIs. Why some posters are dragging different formats to discredit Pak T20s performance? Maybe they have nothing substantial to prove how India or England would be better than Pak in T20s. This team is developing into a confident and sensible unit aided with tremendous improvement in fielding standards. Before Aus and NZ series we were told theseteam would really test us, WI , SL and Zimbabwe are easy picking. Well we have now beaten Aus and NZ as well. And these teams have fun T20 players such as Maxwell Finch Munro Taylor Williamson and also many good bowlers.

Pakistan has bowled pretty well to Australia and New Zealand. It makes their shabby performance against India in the Asia Cup all the more difficult to understand (yes, in ODIs rather than T20s). Either Rohit and Dhawan are much better than the ANZ batsmen, or the Pakistani bowlers just don't have confidence when they play India.
 
At the end of the day, it's a mighty impressive streak. Achieved with a very young team. Deserves credit, not cringeworthy criticism about how England or India would beat this team on so and so grounds.
 
Pakistan has bowled pretty well to Australia and New Zealand. It makes their shabby performance against India in the Asia Cup all the more difficult to understand (yes, in ODIs rather than T20s). Either Rohit and Dhawan are much better than the ANZ batsmen, or the Pakistani bowlers just don't have confidence when they play India.
Or that Pakistan is a highly unpredictable that will churn out good and bad performances in the unlikeliest of times? That side in the Asia Cup was low on confidence, evident by their two games against Afghanistan and Bangladesh. It's difficult to make sense of the Pakistan cricket team. No other sports team in the world is as unpredictable as these guys :facepalm:
 
India have only one bowler who could trouble them
Bumtah likes of Kuldeep and Chawal would be bread and butter for in form Haris Malik and Sarfraz. And even Babar and Fakhar. In this format we have nothing to fear from Indian bowling.
 
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We cant beat any team but not India. India can make 200 or 190 in this format and will smash our bowlers. Our batting on a good day can just about make 150
 
Probably SA in SA tour, but if PAK manage to beat them then this streak can go on for a pretty long time.
 
Or that Pakistan is a highly unpredictable that will churn out good and bad performances in the unlikeliest of times? That side in the Asia Cup was low on confidence, evident by their two games against Afghanistan and Bangladesh. It's difficult to make sense of the Pakistan cricket team. No other sports team in the world is as unpredictable as these guys :facepalm:

Isn't 'unpredictable' just another kind of mystification? Let's take seriously the fact that we are looking to explain something. Let's acknowledge that Pakistan is not at all unpredictable in T20s, quite the opposite. Isn't the simplest, and therefore most likely explanation for why we failed in the Asia Cup and continue to do well in T20s that ODIs and T20 are simply two different kinds of game? Why is this so hard to grasp? And doesn't that cohere also with the type of game that Pakistan played in the CT; choking runs with Imad Wasim, keeping the opposition to T20 like scores, then defending these T20 like scores with minimally competent if unspectacular batting. Add to this T20 core recipe two in form bowlers in Hasan Ali and Junaid Khan (since discarded) and one good turn by Amir in the final, and there is your tournament. In the Asia Cup meanwhile we didnt play Junaid and Imad while Amir and Hasan went off the boil. It does not need to be so mystifying.
 
I have a feeling that England batsmen can do it out of the subcontinent and India anywhere.

Indian players always have more passion and confidence when they face us, so as a Pakistani fan you always know India is going in with the upper hand.
 
India have only one bowler who could trouble them
Bumtah likes of Kuldeep and Chawal would be bread and butter for in form Haris Malik and Sarfraz. And even Babar and Fakhar. In this format we have nothing to fear from Indian bowling.

None of their bowlers would trouble Hafeez Bradman, he can demolish any bowler in the world right now! :moha
 
So first they said a dozen times they will accept the rankings if we beat top teams like Aus, NZ, SA, Ind. And now when we have won against Aus and NZ they are saying we should beat Ind and Eng? Lmao is this for real?

And the most funny thing is they are not including SA in 'top' teams as they clearly know we have a great chance beating them too in SA considering the form we are in right now and knowing we wont play Ind and Eng soon?

If its not hypocrisy then what is it?
 
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This is slowly becoming the next streak that keeps sports entertainment relevant and interesting.

Can you imagine Pakistan reach 20-0 and there is a Wrestlemania 30 undertaker like entrance played at Dubai. “20 teams came, 20 teams fell”
 
I'll give you a cookie if you can guess which team has historically been the best at WT20s.

Dicey situation you have put yourselves into. In case of tournament wins, WI takes the cake and in case of win-loss in WT20, even India is better than PAK.
 
Credit where you deserve. Congratulations team Pakistan.

Against India, I think Pakistan will win if it is a series. Unless it's a tournament, we generally don't play well in any format. And T20 bi lateral is our least focus.
 
I have a feeling that England batsmen can do it out of the subcontinent and India anywhere.

Indian players always have more passion and confidence when they face us, so as a Pakistani fan you always know India is going in with the upper hand.
Nice joke :D
 
England have no chance but India have also won their last 7 t20 series including series win in SA and Eng recently. and also beaten Pakistan in their last 4 meetings. so i would say they have the upper hand!
 
Or that Pakistan is a highly unpredictable that will churn out good and bad performances in the unlikeliest of times? That side in the Asia Cup was low on confidence, evident by their two games against Afghanistan and Bangladesh. It's difficult to make sense of the Pakistan cricket team. No other sports team in the world is as unpredictable as these guys :facepalm:

Lol what an excuse. Low on confidence? We had pakistani players and fans talking smack about how they are favourites and now you say lack of confidence? :))) They were completely outplayed by a superior team in these conditions.
 
This is a very good streak for Pakistan. I can only see India consistently beat Pakistan in this format in these conditions. I'm not sure even England can do that in UAE.
 
Look at these bowling attacks:

Curran, Plunkett, Rashid, Stokes, and Ali

Bumrah, Thakur, Pandya, Chahal, Yadav.

:)))

I'm so scared :))

Bowling attack worst than this put Pakistan in its place in asia cup
 
England will take maximum of one game to adjust to the slow pitches. We can beat them in the first game like the first ODI in Abu Dhabi in 2015, but the replies by thumping us over the next four games.

Similarly, we beat them one a slow, sluggish Cardiff pitch in the Champions Trophy, but if we were to play multiple games on such a pitch, they would prevail.

Their batting skill is at a different level to ours and we cannot compete on that front.

If it’s a 3 match series, they will surely win 2-1. If it’s five matches, they would probably win 4-1.

I am glad India doesn’t care about playing us. I wish they had the same sentiments for the Asia Cup. We would have avoided the embarrassing reality check and would have celebrated the Champions Trophy for another year.
So what stops you from thinking that we won't beat India like we did in 2012
 
To those who keep bringing up the 2012/2013 series in India:

They were in transition at that point. Not only did we beat them in the ODI series, they also lost a Test series at home to England. Time was up for the generation that was on a run after 2006 and reached its peak by 2010-2011 to win the World Cup.

However, by 2013, their time was up and they were a spent force collectively and individually.

2012/2013 was the perfect time to tour India - the likes of Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar etc. were over the hill and their younger players had not really stepped up.

Prior to the ODI series against us, the selectors dropped Tendulkar and the likes of Sehwag and Gambhir were walking wickets against the new ball.

In the middle-order, they had Yuvraj who was a shell of his former self after cancer treatment, and Rohit who was very mediocre in the middle-order before his transformation as a legendary opener.

In bowling, they had recently lost Zaheer Khan and were yet to replace him. The were playing with the likes of Dinda, and Bhuvneshwar and Shami made their debuts in that very series.

That Indian team was in shambles. It was Dhoni and Kohli, and the latter was obviously not at the peak of his powers.

Pakistan on the other hand had better resources. Nasir Jamshed was having his 2012 purple patch and hit two hundreds, while Ajmal was at the peak of his chucking and Junaid was also in the midst of his 2012-2013 purple patch. Irfan was also very good in that period.

It was simply our good fortune that we toured them at the perfect time. They revamped their squad after that series, opened with Rohit and Dhawan, brought in new pacers and became an elite team again.

On the other hand, we went downhill from there.

If Pakistan vs India would have been an annual affair in the last decade, our superior H2H record would have been severely dented.

2012/2013 was pretty much the only period in the last decade where we could have won a series against them. They would have smashed us in the last 3-4 years and Asia Cup like humiliation would have been the norm, with us winning one-off games every now and then like the Champions Trophy Final.

People need to have some perspective and get a grip of reality after the reality check in the Asia Cup.

The fact is that India are at a different level and has been for about 10 years now, barring a small period of transition where we beat them. They will beat us more often than not - the gap between the skills of the two teams as well as the mentality is very significant.

It is our great fortune that India is not willing to play Pakistan regularly in bilaterals because their resistance has saved us frequent humiliations, but the narrative that we have cooked up for ourselves is that they fear us.

Yes, we saw the “fear” in the Asia Cup. Let’s not be ostriches anymore and learn from that brutal reality check. That was the true picture of Pakistan vs India today, as well as the group game in the Champions Trophy.

9 out of 10 times, they will thrash us across formats. However, our fans so deep in their denial that they are brushing off the Asia Cup, where they outclassed us with only two batsmen, as a mere blip in the radar. The actual blip in the radar was the Champions Trophy Final.

It is great to be supportive of the team and expecting good things, but never lose sight of reality. What you hope and dream of is not what happens in real life.

India are leagues above Pakistan and it is a fact that we cannot deny, regardless of how much it stings us.
 
Lol what an excuse. Low on confidence? We had pakistani players and fans talking smack about how they are favourites and now you say lack of confidence? :))) They were completely outplayed by a superior team in these conditions.
Afghanistan and Bangladesh are superior teams too? How did they manage to outplay Pakistan?
 
Isn't 'unpredictable' just another kind of mystification? Let's take seriously the fact that we are looking to explain something. Let's acknowledge that Pakistan is not at all unpredictable in T20s, quite the opposite. Isn't the simplest, and therefore most likely explanation for why we failed in the Asia Cup and continue to do well in T20s that ODIs and T20 are simply two different kinds of game? Why is this so hard to grasp? And doesn't that cohere also with the type of game that Pakistan played in the CT; choking runs with Imad Wasim, keeping the opposition to T20 like scores, then defending these T20 like scores with minimally competent if unspectacular batting. Add to this T20 core recipe two in form bowlers in Hasan Ali and Junaid Khan (since discarded) and one good turn by Amir in the final, and there is your tournament. In the Asia Cup meanwhile we didnt play Junaid and Imad while Amir and Hasan went off the boil. It does not need to be so mystifying.
The Pakistan side that played in the Asia Cup would have got smashed black and blue by both Australia and New Zealand. There is no mystery to this team tbh. This unpredictability tag says more about their weak mental strength as opposed to skills or change in formats. When they are mentally down, they find ways to lose to Bangladesh or run a mighty close game to Afghanistan. When they are riding on momemtum generated by God knows what reason, they play like world beaters. Just look at the marked difference between Shadab's attitude in the Asia Cup, and here in the last four matches.
 
Afghanistan and Bangladesh are superior teams too? How did they manage to outplay Pakistan?

The thrashing at the hands of India in the first game mentally disintegrated the team. Confidence was not an issue going into the Asia Cup.

Much like the fans, the players were overconfident and came up with cheap statements. They thought they would ride on the Champions Trophy momentum and beat India.

However, that reality check in the first game against India took the winds out of our sails. Had we played Afghanistan and Bangladesh before playing India, we would probably have done better.

Pakistan were not low on confidence in the Asia Cup - they simply could not recover from the unexpectedly (in their heads) crushing defeat in the first game against India.

The overconfidence of our players was evident in the initial phase - the likes of Imam and Fakhar we’re charging down the pitch and going for slogs before settling in.

We lost to India because they are simply a much better team, and not because we were low on confidence. However, we might have underperformed against Afghanistan and Bangladesh because of the confidence-shattering defeat to India in the first game.
 
There's no real meaning to being "No.1" in T20s.

Because the format is too unpredictable. Anyone can beat anybody on their day.

It's a fun format where real high stakes can only be found in World T20. And, that tournament is played on good batting pitches.

Not slow, low UAE/West Indies tracks.

By that theory there's no meaning to ODI rankings either but people follow and value them anyway. And while ODI's are not as unpredictable as T20s, they still are unpredictable. Stop following the English/Australian narrative that only test cricket is important and limited-overs/T20 cricket can only be played on high-scoring wickets. All cricket is important in it's own right and every country has it's own kind of pitches. Just because you and a few other posters consider T20 rankings meaningless doesn't mean the entire nation does.
 
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England and India would beat us. On flat pitches I think Australia would beat us to be honest.

I am not sure about Aussies beating Pakistan even on flat pitches. It will be close, but due to superior spin bowling, Pakistan should prevail over 3 match series. Of course, you never know what happens in one-off games.

The thing about Pakistan, good or bad, you know what to expect from them.

They have the batting that will consistently backup 150-160 on not so flat pitches, such as UAE. On flat surfaces, they will score 180. The bowling will be strong with, some decent spinners and tight bowling from pacers. They will bowl good lines and strangle oppositions into losing wickets.

This will work well on not so flat pitches against England and India. Against England, it will be close, but they will need to cross 160 even on UAE pitches. Against India, they will need to bowl really well in the first 10 overs. In difficult pitches, England or India vs Pakistan will still be close and its anyones game. Others wont stand a chance.

On flat pitches, India and England will beat them over 3 match series. 180 is just not good enough on flat pitches. Pakistan needs to aim for 200. Only Fakhar, and some bashing from Malik and Hafeez can take them there. On flat pitches, WI and Aus will also challenge Pakistan. But that will be due to individual brilliance, rather than a team tactics. Thats why Pak will win a 3 match series. Only after Warner is back, I would put money on Aus beating Pak on flat pitches.
 
The thrashing at the hands of India in the first game mentally disintegrated the team. Confidence was not an issue going into the Asia Cup.

Much like the fans, the players were overconfident and came up with cheap statements. They thought they would ride on the Champions Trophy momentum and beat India.

However, that reality check in the first game against India took the winds out of our sails. Had we played Afghanistan and Bangladesh before playing India, we would probably have done better.

Pakistan were not low on confidence in the Asia Cup - they simply could not recover from the unexpectedly (in their heads) crushing defeat in the first game against India.

The overconfidence of our players was evident in the initial phase - the likes of Imam and Fakhar we’re charging down the pitch and going for slogs before settling in.

We lost to India because they are simply a much better team, and not because we were low on confidence. However, we might have underperformed against Afghanistan and Bangladesh because of the confidence-shattering defeat to India in the first game.
India is a better team no doubt, but Pakistan is also a better team than their showing in the Asia Cup. The confidence crisis might be more to do with the pressure they put themselves under, moreso than how well India, Afghanistan and Bangladesh outplayed Pakistan. The attitude in the field right now is a complete turnaround from the Asia Cup. Otherwise New Zealand would have mauled this lot, and Australia would definitely have beaten them atleast twice in three matches.
 
India is a better team no doubt, but Pakistan is also a better team than their showing in the Asia Cup. The confidence crisis might be more to do with the pressure they put themselves under, moreso than how well India, Afghanistan and Bangladesh outplayed Pakistan. The attitude in the field right now is a complete turnaround from the Asia Cup. Otherwise New Zealand would have mauled this lot, and Australia would definitely have beaten them atleast twice in three matches.

India have thrashed this team in 3 out of the last 4 ODIs - won’t go further back because the players were different.

I am afraid that is the extent of the gulf between the two sides at the moment. We may have underperformed against Afghanistan and Bangladesh, but our performances against India were what we should except.

Our bowling is ineffective against their top order and their bowling is too disciplined for a temperamentally and technically challenged batsmen.

We can only beat them if they have a collective meltdown and things go our way ala the Champions Trophy Final.

Another thrashing awaits us in the World Cup next year, unless India has an off-day. The chances of that are low though, they have never had an off-day against us in World Cups.

We might have improved to the extent where we can beat teams like Australia and New Zealand in favorable conditions now, but we are still far off from competing with India.

Our skills and tactics are ineffective against them and they know how to beat us at our own game.
 
Afghanistan and Bangladesh are superior teams too? How did they manage to outplay Pakistan?

I was talking specifically about India and in UAE conditions. Pakistan don't have a great ODI record in the UAE anyway. They've lost to everyone bar windies and Lanka who have declined steeply. I'd say given the conditions, the gap between a team like BD and PAK was minimised. BD did have the luck of winning the toss and batting first and they made the most of it.
 
Yet we see far more variability in outcomes in both ODIs and Tests. Any ideas why?

I'm not sure if that's true. In general you can predict that a higher quality team will win the longer the format.

In t20 format,any team can be beaten,not that much of a bigdeal.
And how exactly you define a good pitch ? A pitch is a pitch,cricket is not just about batting,and also batting on a slow pitch requires a certain skill set.And stop with this that every other team we play is the Z team and the opposition will one day show up with their Messiah 11 and sweep away everything.

The point that people are applauding is that pak team has shown a remarkable level of consistency.

Yes, there's consistency in numbers here but will not hold value when we (consistently) start playing in other places or WT20.
 
Because if you're trash in ODIs, nobody gives a damn to you even if you keep winning T20s.

Look at WI, nobody takes them seriously.

We need to stop being T20 mercenaries only.

that is true. i dont personally take any pleasure in t20 wins. such matches are only held to make money. our bastmen are only good in t20 because a quick 30 is all that is needed in this format. having said that, pakistan is the best in this format. and losing to england or india is not a given like some so-called pakistan believe so.
 
Outstanding achievement! These guys have given the nation a reason to smile in amidst all the chaos. Apart from some sorry souls Pak cric fans appreciate and are happy on this achievement. Up and onwards from here!
 
I was talking specifically about India and in UAE conditions. Pakistan don't have a great ODI record in the UAE anyway. They've lost to everyone bar windies and Lanka who have declined steeply. I'd say given the conditions, the gap between a team like BD and PAK was minimised. BD did have the luck of winning the toss and batting first and they made the most of it.
Pakistan had a pretty rubbish T20 record in the UAE too, but that hasn't stopped this side from dismantling everyone that has come their way to the 11th series win. I won't be surprised if Pakistan goes on to beat New Zealand in the ODI series, and maybe then some of you will understand how mentally weird this team is.

Bangladesh didn't have luck, they outplayed Pakistan completely. That was one of the worst performamces by a Pakistan team I have seen im ages.
 
I am not sure about Aussies beating Pakistan even on flat pitches. It will be close, but due to superior spin bowling, Pakistan should prevail over 3 match series. Of course, you never know what happens in one-off games.

The thing about Pakistan, good or bad, you know what to expect from them.

They have the batting that will consistently backup 150-160 on not so flat pitches, such as UAE. On flat surfaces, they will score 180. The bowling will be strong with, some decent spinners and tight bowling from pacers. They will bowl good lines and strangle oppositions into losing wickets.

This will work well on not so flat pitches against England and India. Against England, it will be close, but they will need to cross 160 even on UAE pitches. Against India, they will need to bowl really well in the first 10 overs. In difficult pitches, England or India vs Pakistan will still be close and its anyones game. Others wont stand a chance.

On flat pitches, India and England will beat them over 3 match series. 180 is just not good enough on flat pitches. Pakistan needs to aim for 200. Only Fakhar, and some bashing from Malik and Hafeez can take them there. On flat pitches, WI and Aus will also challenge Pakistan. But that will be due to individual brilliance, rather than a team tactics. Thats why Pak will win a 3 match series. Only after Warner is back, I would put money on Aus beating Pak on flat pitches.


Lol look at how Australia performed on flat pitches in NZ against England and NZ. They scides 240 odd in 1 game I believe. There batting is brilliant for T20s. Don't see us out scoring them in a batting shoot out.
 
This streak will be very difficult to beat. T20Is are the most fickle and anybody can beat anybody else easily in the shortest format.
This Pak team can beat anybody except for India in the UAE I think. The way Rohit and Dhawan manhandled Amir, Shenwari, Hasan, Shaheen and Shadab on the same pitches twice, a month ago should tell you how even a Kohli less India can handle this variety easily on sluggish pitches. On belters, they will be smoked for 200+ in 20 overs. Pak doesn't have the batting to chase or score 200 or anywhere close to it. Indian bowling also found loopholes in Fakhar's batting and the rest aren't capable of taking the game away anyway.

That was the ODI format with a group of players who just seemed really flat and out of form.

Pak are a different beast in T20s and this group of players would beat India 70-80% of the time. Issue is, India will never play them so no point in bringing it up.

The most important aspect of this streak has nothing to do with India or constant comparisons with them, it has to do with Pakistan's remarkable consistency in the most inconsistent format of the sport.Their bowlers are often the most remarkable on show and in an age where t20 scores are increasing, rarely do teams score above 140-150 against them.

Their batting also has the ability to score quickly enough and although they rarely get mammoth scores, they know how to shunt the opposition bowling and build in overs 10-15.

Simply the best.
 
Lol look at how Australia performed on flat pitches in NZ against England and NZ. They scides 240 odd in 1 game I believe. There batting is brilliant for T20s. Don't see us out scoring them in a batting shoot out.

lol, Australia were manhandled in Zimbabwe on true wickets. The have lost 5 t20's in a row against Pakistan.
 
I don’t think the streak should be considered “unimpressive” especilly given the format.

Scotland beat England in an ODI not too long ago and all that was required in the 11 sides was to step up one one or more good days to win.

T20’s are dependent on every run and ball (as Kohli’s big 100 against the WI displayed; albeit it was an ODI). There is room for improvement as there always has been and will be but it is a world record and one to be proud of.
 
That was the ODI format with a group of players who just seemed really flat and out of form.

Pak are a different beast in T20s and this group of players would beat India 70-80% of the time. Issue is, India will never play them so no point in bringing it up.

The most important aspect of this streak has nothing to do with India or constant comparisons with them, it has to do with Pakistan's remarkable consistency in the most inconsistent format of the sport.Their bowlers are often the most remarkable on show and in an age where t20 scores are increasing, rarely do teams score above 140-150 against them.

Their batting also has the ability to score quickly enough and although they rarely get mammoth scores, they know how to shunt the opposition bowling and build in overs 10-15.

Simply the best.

Fair enough. Can't compare ODIs with T20s. Pakistan doesn't usually compete well against India in T20Is and won only one game in this format against India. The Pakistan bowling in this format is good, I would say comparable or even slightly better than India's. Indian batting is miles ahead of Pak in this format. So , there is nothing left for us fans other than to extrapolate based on recent head to head results and relative strengths and weaknesses as there won't be a series between them any time soon.
 
I think you read the name of the thread wrong it asked who can take down Pakistan not who can take down Bangladesh

They are already on top of BD in t20. It is afghan who would take down pak in t20. T20 is the format who makes minnows a giant. Nothing to boost about.
 
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lol, Australia were manhandled in Zimbabwe on true wickets. The have lost 5 t20's in a row against Pakistan.

T20s are mostly played on flat pitches and that's what pitches where the World T20 will be played on.
 
Dicey situation you have put yourselves into. In case of tournament wins, WI takes the cake and in case of win-loss in WT20, even India is better than PAK.

W/L ratio in tournaments counts for absolutely nothing. You have to win the most important games, not every single game. The Windies have the most wins but they were poor for the first few editions and were routinely knocked out in the first round.

The best WT20 team is one of Pakistan or Sri Lanka who have both consistently made it to the latter stages of the tournament and have managed to pick up gold and silver medals along the way.
 
W/L ratio in tournaments counts for absolutely nothing. You have to win the most important games, not every single game. The Windies have the most wins but they were poor for the first few editions and were routinely knocked out in the first round.

The best WT20 team is one of Pakistan or Sri Lanka who have both consistently made it to the latter stages of the tournament and have managed to pick up gold and silver medals along the way.

Pakistan has one gold and one silver. India, the same. Unless I am completely wrong.
 
SA in SA will be a good challenge. However, since beating NZ in NZ was a bigger challenge, we should be able to beat them as well. May the streak continue and give more heart-burns to the haters.
 
Second consecutive whitewash - first Australia, now New Zealand so you can't argue we've just been beating up weak teams.

Pakistan have beaten Australia and New Zealand in 10 out of 12 T20Is played this year.
 
Second consecutive whitewash - first Australia, now New Zealand so you can't argue we've just been beating up weak teams.

Pakistan have beaten Australia and New Zealand in 10 out of 12 T20Is played this year.

Look at it this way.

Our countrymen love to trash talk India when they beat other teams in home TESTS.

This is a tukka format, least of them all.. good job we're beating teams now.

But this same Pak team will struggle in WT20. If they win that tournament though, I will completely change my mind about this team.
 
Pakistan has one gold and one silver. India, the same. Unless I am completely wrong.

I'm looking at it from a consistency POV. India were poor for a few years after their initial win and lets not forget, Pakistan has never had the luxury of a home tournament, while India did.
 
two streaks going on.

Undefeated in last 11 series
Undefeated in last 8 games
 
Look at it this way.

Our countrymen love to trash talk India when they beat other teams in home TESTS.

This is a tukka format, least of them all.. good job we're beating teams now.

But this same Pak team will struggle in WT20. If they win that tournament though, I will completely change my mind about this team.
Has anyone thrashed Australia and New Zealand this brutally in this tukka format? It's unreal how strong this team has been in T20s. I don't remember anyone doing this haalat of New Zealand ANYWHERE in the world.
 
To those who keep bringing up the 2012/2013 series in India:

They were in transition at that point. Not only did we beat them in the ODI series, they also lost a Test series at home to England. Time was up for the generation that was on a run after 2006 and reached its peak by 2010-2011 to win the World Cup.

However, by 2013, their time was up and they were a spent force collectively and individually.

2012/2013 was the perfect time to tour India - the likes of Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar etc. were over the hill and their younger players had not really stepped up.

Prior to the ODI series against us, the selectors dropped Tendulkar and the likes of Sehwag and Gambhir were walking wickets against the new ball.

In the middle-order, they had Yuvraj who was a shell of his former self after cancer treatment, and Rohit who was very mediocre in the middle-order before his transformation as a legendary opener.

In bowling, they had recently lost Zaheer Khan and were yet to replace him. The were playing with the likes of Dinda, and Bhuvneshwar and Shami made their debuts in that very series.

That Indian team was in shambles. It was Dhoni and Kohli, and the latter was obviously not at the peak of his powers.

Pakistan on the other hand had better resources. Nasir Jamshed was having his 2012 purple patch and hit two hundreds, while Ajmal was at the peak of his chucking and Junaid was also in the midst of his 2012-2013 purple patch. Irfan was also very good in that period.

It was simply our good fortune that we toured them at the perfect time. They revamped their squad after that series, opened with Rohit and Dhawan, brought in new pacers and became an elite team again.

On the other hand, we went downhill from there.

If Pakistan vs India would have been an annual affair in the last decade, our superior H2H record would have been severely dented.

2012/2013 was pretty much the only period in the last decade where we could have won a series against them. They would have smashed us in the last 3-4 years and Asia Cup like humiliation would have been the norm, with us winning one-off games every now and then like the Champions Trophy Final.

People need to have some perspective and get a grip of reality after the reality check in the Asia Cup.

The fact is that India are at a different level and has been for about 10 years now, barring a small period of transition where we beat them. They will beat us more often than not - the gap between the skills of the two teams as well as the mentality is very significant.

It is our great fortune that India is not willing to play Pakistan regularly in bilaterals because their resistance has saved us frequent humiliations, but the narrative that we have cooked up for ourselves is that they fear us.

Yes, we saw the “fear” in the Asia Cup. Let’s not be ostriches anymore and learn from that brutal reality check. That was the true picture of Pakistan vs India today, as well as the group game in the Champions Trophy.

9 out of 10 times, they will thrash us across formats. However, our fans so deep in their denial that they are brushing off the Asia Cup, where they outclassed us with only two batsmen, as a mere blip in the radar. The actual blip in the radar was the Champions Trophy Final.

It is great to be supportive of the team and expecting good things, but never lose sight of reality. What you hope and dream of is not what happens in real life.

India are leagues above Pakistan and it is a fact that we cannot deny, regardless of how much it stings us.

:)) bro, we get it we are not good agaisnt India, that doesn't mean we shouldn't celebrate this streak

The streak itself is an achievement. The world doesn't revolve around India, yes they are better then us and beat us in Asia Cup

But we have not only beaten alot of teams in the last 11 t20 series but we have won them consecutively. Even now we have won 9 consecutive t20 games. And while we are wining we are also rotating players bringing in new guys and taking risk with them. Thus, this is a good thing.
 
Has anyone thrashed Australia and New Zealand this brutally in this tukka format? It's unreal how strong this team has been in T20s. I don't remember anyone doing this haalat of New Zealand ANYWHERE in the world.

The streak is remarkable indeed. But I'd still expect this side to have 50/50 chance on non-UAE/WI pitches against sides like NZ, ENG, AUS. And, IND is ahead with their powerhouse batting.
 
such a complete team, just need a pure power hitter. Asif, Faheem, Imad not living up to expectation with the bat
 
The streak is remarkable indeed. But I'd still expect this side to have 50/50 chance on non-UAE/WI pitches against sides like NZ, ENG, AUS. And, IND is ahead with their powerhouse batting.
We beat NZ in NZ.

We beat Eng in Eng.

We beat Aus on a neutral venue.

The bowling just comes up trumps, while the batting is somehow consistently supporting it. No idea how this is happening, but to beat a dynamic side like New Zealand 3-zip is unheard of. India struggled to do so in India and tied their T20 series against Australia 1-1. They also just got over the line against a Windies team thrashed by Pakistan home and away. This T20 team is very good and I expect them to win in South Africa too.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan last 23 T20Is:<br><br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Lost<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Lost<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvNZ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1059159272339263489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another T20I series - another whitewash <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvNZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/sdaSgbqGTX">pic.twitter.com/sdaSgbqGTX</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1059160182461210624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1 finger (Shadab Khan)<br>+<br>10 (Hasan Ali)<br>= 11 consecutive T20I series wins<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvNZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/uEZCZ55asV">pic.twitter.com/uEZCZ55asV</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1059167903289880582?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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If they are playing T20 games in SA, they might lose one there. Rabada, Ngidi, Morris, Tahir et all might pull at least one game back if SA put up a decent total.
 
Some of our fans heads’ are still in the clouds.

I would have thought that some of these people would have woken up after the Asia Cup.

Similar statements were being made before that tournament, but it appears that the brutal check was not enough to help us overcome our hollow and shallow arrogance.

6 victories is not a joke and they have every right to be happy 😊 after the hammering in the Asia Cup so yes Pakistan 🇵🇰 is better than India in T20
 
I am just here to witness the burn lol :)) :))

You know you're deeply hurt when you start typing lengthy paragraphs just to downplay a team's performances, and that too in IT20s :))) :))). The burn is real!
 
Pakistan are just taking this streak too seriously,they might win against sa too if they field their weaker team in t20s as they generally do
But real test of this team will be in world t20
Nobody remembers t20 bilaterals for long
 
Pakistan are just taking this streak too seriously,they might win against sa too if they field their weaker team in t20s as they generally do
But real test of this team will be in world t20
Nobody remembers t20 bilaterals for long
Weaker team? South Africa's first XI is quite inexperienced already, with the departure of ABD. I see the excuses are ready.
 
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