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14/4 in the powerplay against New Zealand in first T20I! I thought Pakistan were to become world beaters after dropping Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam

Should Pakistan stick with the Rizwan-Babar in T20Is or focus on developing the next generation?


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That was a reaction as well when I read that, but I chose not to reply because they will never accept.
Haris replaced Usman Khan/Azam Khan though?

He never replaced Rizzu? Haris aint an opener? He is now a no 7 perma.

During rizzu's era we played 3 keepers and put them in a squad.

Farhan and Fakhar replaced Rizwan and Babar. With Saim replacing babar from the opening spot even when babar was in the squad.
 
Haris replaced Usman Khan/Azam Khan though?

He never replaced Rizzu? Haris aint an opener? He is now a no 7 perma.

During rizzu's era we played 3 keepers and put them in a squad.

Farhan and Fakhar replaced Rizwan and Babar. With Saim replacing babar from the opening spot even when babar was in the squad.
Haris replaced riz... everyone wanted him always and now Haris' failure is right infornt of us
 
This Hesson's strategy of modern batting and deep. You agree or not, is starting to work.

Even after losing 5 wickets cheap against UAE Pakistan managed to score 170+ because the batters continue to throw counter punch rather than focusing on rebuilding. It also helps that the batting is deep.

We saw this happen against Bangladesh as well where we lost in the last over.

So in the games where batting collapses. Pakistan is scoring 170 or at least competing till the last over. You better be sure that on true surfaces this team is on track to mostly score above par scores.

If it were the team and strategy of RizBar. We would've gotten to 140-150 max. Safe play.

With current team. The execution has not been perfect in most games but the idea and direction is right. Safeplay is outdated in T20 Cricket.

@mominsaigol and @Rana
I like this from Hesson and I think it was something we should have done in the past. We often tried the opposite, playing an extra bowler to compensate for our batting which didn’t make sense. Especially when Hafeez was playing who could easily do full quota anyway.

The ironic thing now I’m not sure it’s a great idea now not because it isn’t the right strategy but Faheem just might not be good enough with ball or bat. However if we had a solid allrounder it’d work. But I’m willing to persist with Faheem for now. People make the case on an extra batsman doesn’t add anything but I feel it does. It gives created confidence to the ones on top that they can get out and there’s still more batsman to come. And a great number of batting partners for set batsman.

I like the general strategy and set up of the team, I’d honestly just keep playing the same team with little changes for the long term. What we need is a settled team, we have ruined this team in the last few years with senseless chopping and changing and experimentation. Nearly all the standouts in PSL/domestic are already playing and there’s few alternatives I can think of. So just continue for long term. Babar and Rizwan aren’t in great form anyway and short term solutions, let them bang the door down in PSL if they want to make a comeback. I see no reason to really drop any of these guys until quite a few series later and then we can review.

I also agree with Haris not opening. He’s not suited for it right now, intent is fine but I don’t want someone that unreliable opening. Saim and Farhan are a more reliable pair.

The only thing I disagree with him is Fakhar. I agree with that he moved on pretty sharpish after giving him a short run as opener. Saim and Farhan it’s more important they open for long term success. But I don’t agree with him playing at 3 when he’s had so many games to prove himself and failed. Especially when I think he’d do better lower down. Even Haris while he’s not great has more time to succeed and has been doing well in PSL there generally. I’d rather play Haris at no.3 for the future than fakhar. I don’t see what’s the point of trying to cement a no.3 spot for a 35 year old who hasn’t succeeded there yet. I remember people screaming that he should have been opening that’s why he was underperforming at 3. And now because there’s no room to open/can’t open, he is somehow suited to no.3. Doesn’t make sense. At some point it’s just too late. Fakhar I would fit him around where or if there is room in the order. 6 is fine, we don’t have anyone else there even though I prefer 4 or 5, but he’s not going to oust Hasan or Agha.
 
I like this from Hesson and I think it was something we should have done in the past. We often tried the opposite, playing an extra bowler to compensate for our batting which didn’t make sense. Especially when Hafeez was playing who could easily do full quota anyway.

The ironic thing now I’m not sure it’s a great idea now not because it isn’t the right strategy but Faheem just might not be good enough with ball or bat. However if we had a solid allrounder it’d work. But I’m willing to persist with Faheem for now. People make the case on an extra batsman doesn’t add anything but I feel it does. It gives created confidence to the ones on top that they can get out and there’s still more batsman to come. And a great number of batting partners for set batsman.

I like the general strategy and set up of the team, I’d honestly just keep playing the same team with little changes for the long term. What we need is a settled team, we have ruined this team in the last few years with senseless chopping and changing and experimentation. Nearly all the standouts in PSL/domestic are already playing and there’s few alternatives I can think of. So just continue for long term. Babar and Rizwan aren’t in great form anyway and short term solutions, let them bang the door down in PSL if they want to make a comeback. I see no reason to really drop any of these guys until quite a few series later and then we can review.

I also agree with Haris not opening. He’s not suited for it right now, intent is fine but I don’t want someone that unreliable opening. Saim and Farhan are a more reliable pair.

The only thing I disagree with him is Fakhar. I agree with that he moved on pretty sharpish after giving him a short run as opener. Saim and Farhan it’s more important they open for long term success. But I don’t agree with him playing at 3 when he’s had so many games to prove himself and failed. Especially when I think he’d do better lower down. Even Haris while he’s not great has more time to succeed and has been doing well in PSL there generally. I’d rather play Haris at no.3 for the future than fakhar. I don’t see what’s the point of trying to cement a no.3 spot for a 35 year old who hasn’t succeeded there yet. I remember people screaming that he should have been opening that’s why he was underperforming at 3. And now because there’s no room to open/can’t open, he is somehow suited to no.3. Doesn’t make sense. At some point it’s just too late. Fakhar I would fit him around where or if there is room in the order. 6 is fine, we don’t have anyone else there even though I prefer 4 or 5, but he’s not going to oust Hasan or Agha.
What can be improved is a bowler. Having both Nawaz and Faheem at 7 and 8 only works when at least one can bowl all 4 overs like a genuine bowler.

In games where both of them go for runs. That's where the trouble begins. Because then you turn to Saim or Salman?

It's a strategy that compensates for a bowler in its batting depth.

And like you said if we had a genuine all rounder. We could rely upon him for both batting and bowling in all games.

In all of this I hope we do not lose our diamond Hasan Nawaz. He came in as an opener. Then batted and performed at no. 4 in domestic and international. I hope the management doesn't make him another Asif Ali or Iftikhar Ahmed where he only comes near the end when hitting is required. He's a proper batter and deserves to bat as high as he can. The more overs he plays, the better the score will be for the team.
 

We’re not perfect but if they are actively trying to improve and fighting till the last bell; I don’t know what more we can ask for? The prior regime set us back 10-15 years & we need to get back to playing to our strengths; if we are a little more mercurial or belligerent, I welcome it, I rather that then cowardice. We need to breed players to perform freely & without fear, that’s Pakistan cricket at its best!
 
140 on a 100 track.

How did Pakistan manage it?
Pakistan were poor, Afghanistan were worse. Afghanistan choking doesn’t change the fact that Pakistan’s so-called new template of batting turned out to be a puff of dust.
 
Pakistan were poor, Afghanistan were worse. Afghanistan choking doesn’t change the fact that Pakistan’s so-called new template of batting turned out to be a puff of dust.
This has to be a record. You didn’t go hiding until the next time Pakistan loses
 
Pakistan's batting hasn’t changed one bit. We're still not playing like a modern T20 side. Nothing we’ve seen suggests that we've evolved, if anything, we keep making the same mistakes. Sometimes we start alright, other times we don’t, but the pattern is familiar: we lose wickets, go into a shell, and then try to recover late. It’s the same cycle, over and over again. Honestly, from a batting point of view, it’s been a bit of a clown show.

Just because the coach or selectors come out and talk big about “modern T20 cricket” doesn’t mean things will magically change overnight. You need players who are actually capable of playing that style. There’s no room for poor selections or carrying passengers in the playing 11. We need to make tough calls and pick players who can play smart cricket based on our strengths.
 
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