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14/4 in the powerplay against New Zealand in first T20I! I thought Pakistan were to become world beaters after dropping Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam

Should Pakistan stick with the Rizwan-Babar in T20Is or focus on developing the next generation?

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BouncerGuy said:
That was a reaction as well when I read that, but I chose not to reply because they will never accept.
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Haris replaced Usman Khan/Azam Khan though?

He never replaced Rizzu? Haris aint an opener? He is now a no 7 perma.

During rizzu's era we played 3 keepers and put them in a squad.

Farhan and Fakhar replaced Rizwan and Babar. With Saim replacing babar from the opening spot even when babar was in the squad.
 
mominsaigol said:
Haris replaced Usman Khan/Azam Khan though?

He never replaced Rizzu? Haris aint an opener? He is now a no 7 perma.

During rizzu's era we played 3 keepers and put them in a squad.

Farhan and Fakhar replaced Rizwan and Babar. With Saim replacing babar from the opening spot even when babar was in the squad.
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Haris replaced riz... everyone wanted him always and now Haris' failure is right infornt of us
 
RidiculousMan said:
This Hesson's strategy of modern batting and deep. You agree or not, is starting to work.

Even after losing 5 wickets cheap against UAE Pakistan managed to score 170+ because the batters continue to throw counter punch rather than focusing on rebuilding. It also helps that the batting is deep.

We saw this happen against Bangladesh as well where we lost in the last over.

So in the games where batting collapses. Pakistan is scoring 170 or at least competing till the last over. You better be sure that on true surfaces this team is on track to mostly score above par scores.

If it were the team and strategy of RizBar. We would've gotten to 140-150 max. Safe play.

With current team. The execution has not been perfect in most games but the idea and direction is right. Safeplay is outdated in T20 Cricket.

@mominsaigol and @Rana
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I like this from Hesson and I think it was something we should have done in the past. We often tried the opposite, playing an extra bowler to compensate for our batting which didn’t make sense. Especially when Hafeez was playing who could easily do full quota anyway.

The ironic thing now I’m not sure it’s a great idea now not because it isn’t the right strategy but Faheem just might not be good enough with ball or bat. However if we had a solid allrounder it’d work. But I’m willing to persist with Faheem for now. People make the case on an extra batsman doesn’t add anything but I feel it does. It gives created confidence to the ones on top that they can get out and there’s still more batsman to come. And a great number of batting partners for set batsman.

I like the general strategy and set up of the team, I’d honestly just keep playing the same team with little changes for the long term. What we need is a settled team, we have ruined this team in the last few years with senseless chopping and changing and experimentation. Nearly all the standouts in PSL/domestic are already playing and there’s few alternatives I can think of. So just continue for long term. Babar and Rizwan aren’t in great form anyway and short term solutions, let them bang the door down in PSL if they want to make a comeback. I see no reason to really drop any of these guys until quite a few series later and then we can review.

I also agree with Haris not opening. He’s not suited for it right now, intent is fine but I don’t want someone that unreliable opening. Saim and Farhan are a more reliable pair.

The only thing I disagree with him is Fakhar. I agree with that he moved on pretty sharpish after giving him a short run as opener. Saim and Farhan it’s more important they open for long term success. But I don’t agree with him playing at 3 when he’s had so many games to prove himself and failed. Especially when I think he’d do better lower down. Even Haris while he’s not great has more time to succeed and has been doing well in PSL there generally. I’d rather play Haris at no.3 for the future than fakhar. I don’t see what’s the point of trying to cement a no.3 spot for a 35 year old who hasn’t succeeded there yet. I remember people screaming that he should have been opening that’s why he was underperforming at 3. And now because there’s no room to open/can’t open, he is somehow suited to no.3. Doesn’t make sense. At some point it’s just too late. Fakhar I would fit him around where or if there is room in the order. 6 is fine, we don’t have anyone else there even though I prefer 4 or 5, but he’s not going to oust Hasan or Agha.
 
ads101 said:
I like this from Hesson and I think it was something we should have done in the past. We often tried the opposite, playing an extra bowler to compensate for our batting which didn’t make sense. Especially when Hafeez was playing who could easily do full quota anyway.

The ironic thing now I’m not sure it’s a great idea now not because it isn’t the right strategy but Faheem just might not be good enough with ball or bat. However if we had a solid allrounder it’d work. But I’m willing to persist with Faheem for now. People make the case on an extra batsman doesn’t add anything but I feel it does. It gives created confidence to the ones on top that they can get out and there’s still more batsman to come. And a great number of batting partners for set batsman.

I like the general strategy and set up of the team, I’d honestly just keep playing the same team with little changes for the long term. What we need is a settled team, we have ruined this team in the last few years with senseless chopping and changing and experimentation. Nearly all the standouts in PSL/domestic are already playing and there’s few alternatives I can think of. So just continue for long term. Babar and Rizwan aren’t in great form anyway and short term solutions, let them bang the door down in PSL if they want to make a comeback. I see no reason to really drop any of these guys until quite a few series later and then we can review.

I also agree with Haris not opening. He’s not suited for it right now, intent is fine but I don’t want someone that unreliable opening. Saim and Farhan are a more reliable pair.

The only thing I disagree with him is Fakhar. I agree with that he moved on pretty sharpish after giving him a short run as opener. Saim and Farhan it’s more important they open for long term success. But I don’t agree with him playing at 3 when he’s had so many games to prove himself and failed. Especially when I think he’d do better lower down. Even Haris while he’s not great has more time to succeed and has been doing well in PSL there generally. I’d rather play Haris at no.3 for the future than fakhar. I don’t see what’s the point of trying to cement a no.3 spot for a 35 year old who hasn’t succeeded there yet. I remember people screaming that he should have been opening that’s why he was underperforming at 3. And now because there’s no room to open/can’t open, he is somehow suited to no.3. Doesn’t make sense. At some point it’s just too late. Fakhar I would fit him around where or if there is room in the order. 6 is fine, we don’t have anyone else there even though I prefer 4 or 5, but he’s not going to oust Hasan or Agha.
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What can be improved is a bowler. Having both Nawaz and Faheem at 7 and 8 only works when at least one can bowl all 4 overs like a genuine bowler.

In games where both of them go for runs. That's where the trouble begins. Because then you turn to Saim or Salman?

It's a strategy that compensates for a bowler in its batting depth.

And like you said if we had a genuine all rounder. We could rely upon him for both batting and bowling in all games.

In all of this I hope we do not lose our diamond Hasan Nawaz. He came in as an opener. Then batted and performed at no. 4 in domestic and international. I hope the management doesn't make him another Asif Ali or Iftikhar Ahmed where he only comes near the end when hitting is required. He's a proper batter and deserves to bat as high as he can. The more overs he plays, the better the score will be for the team.
 
UAE 33 sixes in 4 innings

Afghanistan 36 sixes in 5 innings
 
Rana said:

@mominsaigol @Slim @RyanRyan10 @topspin @shaz619 @RidiculousMan

Pakistan hit 44 sixes in 5 batting innings on spin friendly tracks. That’s bloody brilliant!
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We’re not perfect but if they are actively trying to improve and fighting till the last bell; I don’t know what more we can ask for? The prior regime set us back 10-15 years & we need to get back to playing to our strengths; if we are a little more mercurial or belligerent, I welcome it, I rather that then cowardice. We need to breed players to perform freely & without fear, that’s Pakistan cricket at its best!
 
Rana said:
140 on a 100 track.

How did Pakistan manage it?
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Pakistan were poor, Afghanistan were worse. Afghanistan choking doesn’t change the fact that Pakistan’s so-called new template of batting turned out to be a puff of dust.
 
Pakistan's batting hasn’t changed one bit. We're still not playing like a modern T20 side. Nothing we’ve seen suggests that we've evolved, if anything, we keep making the same mistakes. Sometimes we start alright, other times we don’t, but the pattern is familiar: we lose wickets, go into a shell, and then try to recover late. It’s the same cycle, over and over again. Honestly, from a batting point of view, it’s been a bit of a clown show.

Just because the coach or selectors come out and talk big about “modern T20 cricket” doesn’t mean things will magically change overnight. You need players who are actually capable of playing that style. There’s no room for poor selections or carrying passengers in the playing 11. We need to make tough calls and pick players who can play smart cricket based on our strengths.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
He accepted that Pakistan were not playing like a modern t20 side before.
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@topspin described him perfectly

He is a bottom tier poster. Pakistan have hit 44 sixes in 5 innings, something like 25 against Afghanistan on these spin decks…and this guy can’t see any batting improvement? We’ve literally outbatted Afghanistan and West Indies in 4 matches out of 6 in recent history!
 
Rana said:
@topspin described him perfectly

He is a bottom tier poster. Pakistan have hit 44 sixes in 5 innings, something like 25 against Afghanistan on these spin decks…and this guy can’t see any batting improvement? We’ve literally outbatted Afghanistan and West Indies in 4 matches out of 6 in recent history!
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Bottom tier? I'm surprised he even made it on the list 🤣🤣.

He has no arguments of his own. Whatever Mamoon, Major, kianing, kyberlion etc etc state, he repeats in flowerly chatgpt language lol.
 
Rana said:
@topspin described him perfectly

He is a bottom tier poster. Pakistan have hit 44 sixes in 5 innings, something like 25 against Afghanistan on these spin decks…and this guy can’t see any batting improvement? We’ve literally outbatted Afghanistan and West Indies in 4 matches out of 6 in recent history!
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Bro I don’t know what he’s on. Babar can’t even play spin to save his life and failed to hit a single six in the same tournament where Babar Hayat and Naseem both hit two sixes each.
 
Where did the intent brigade vanish?

I thought with this new group of players, pakistan were to post 200?

Oh yes, enjoying 160 scores against Oman
 
Except for Hassan Nawaz, not a single guy has a high strike rate, but they used this bs to drop Babar and Rizwan.....

Haan jee kider hai 200 ka score.

Ironically the only team that beat india was the one that had babar and rizwan
 
mominsaigol said:
I think everyone expected PK to lose to india. So I dont get what this PR propaganda is about now?
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Lol, so wins againsy oman and uae will be celebrated? And against india we expect to lose?

So even after removing babar and rizwan the expectations are of losing?
 
mominsaigol said:
I think everyone expected PK to lose to india. So I dont get what this PR propaganda is about now?
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I think there were some important takeaways from the game yesterday that will matter a lot going forward


Apparently, Sahibzada Farhan becomes the first ever Pakistani batsman in history to hit Bumrah for six

I think he got the measure of Bumrah in that powerplay, he was going to take him on every time Bumrah went short at him. It sends a message to the team that this guy isn’t untouchable the way we have made him out to be,

Next it will have to be Kuldeep. We need the Kuldeep solution!

You can’t compete with India until you don’t take the bull by the horns. You are not doing that until you do not even try!
 
It was fantastic to see Hardik going for 30 odd as well

It’s a reminder to Indians that your pace dominance literally hangs on Bumrah only
 
Lol, priasing sahibzada hitting bumrah for six but ignoring the fact he batted slower than babar and rizwan.

Had this been rizwan battibg like Sahibzada, @Rana would had blamed the loss on him
 
Major said:
Lol, priasing sahibzada hitting bumrah for six but ignoring the fact he batted slower than babar and rizwan.

Had this been rizwan battibg like Sahibzada, @Rana would had blamed the loss on him
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Unlike your plastic hero Rizwan, I don’t believe in saying hollow words “win or learn”. I will always look at the glass half full!

What matters is we improve from our shortcomings going forward, we look at the progress (whatever little) we have made and build on it.

I’m happy that the boys wanted to show dominance over Bumrah. That’s the only takeaway from this game, but it’s an important takeaway in the long run. Bumrah cannot be made to feel this is the easiest Test playing nation he’s going to run in and bowl at.

Besides, Farhan clearly is a far superior T20 batter than Babar and Rizwan. It’s not my fault you cannot understand white ball cricket standards.
 
Rana said:
Unlike your plastic hero Rizwan, I don’t believe in saying hollow words “win or learn”. I will always look at the glass half full!

What matters is we improve from our shortcomings going forward, we look at the progress (whatever little) we have made and build on it.

I’m happy that the boys wanted to show dominance over Bumrah. That’s the only takeaway from this game, but it’s an important takeaway in the long run. Bumrah cannot be made to feel this is the easiest Test playing nation he’s going to run in and bowl at.

Besides, Farhan clearly is a far superior T20 batter than Babar and Rizwan. It’s not my fault you cannot understand white ball cricket standards.
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You believe the strike rate will improve till the next wt20 with this team?

And if it does not than?
 
Major said:
You believe the strike rate will improve till the next wt20 with this team?

And if it does not than?
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I believe they are on the right track yes.

I have seen vast progress, I won’t take this match as the final straw.

I think we continue with the path we have taken. It will fall into place.
 
Major said:
Lol, so wins againsy oman and uae will be celebrated? And against india we expect to lose?

So even after removing babar and rizwan the expectations are of losing?
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Yes because under the previous setup Pakistan lost to the following

A) USA
B) Zimbabwe ( A series, Superover and a world cup match lol)
C) Ireland (Granted we won the series)

Our win against Canada wasnt convincing either.

Pakistan is a mid card team. We need to accept that SENA and India are > us especially in the t20 format. We can upset Sena in odi yes but t20 Not a chance.

However we shouldn't be getting our behinds handed to us by lesser teams.

Pakistan under the new setup hasnt lost a single minnow. They only lost to Bangladesh in a den where even Australia and England struggled vs them. We see how poorly bangladesh are playing now and against Pakistan in our den.

And we lost to Afghanistan in equally difficult conditons but won the series itself( tri series)

However I do admit one thing. Saim is a total flop, Haris is a tulla and Agha isnt suited to t20.

But 2 wrongs dont make a right fam
 
Rana said:
It was fantastic to see Hardik going for 30 odd as well

It’s a reminder to Indians that your pace dominance literally hangs on Bumrah only
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India will struggle in 2027 wc and wtc. They'll likely win 2026 t20 wc.

They will win against any side in their own den and in spin heavy conditons such as UAE.

In 2027 they will likely struggle vs SA, NZ and possibly England if England ups its trajectory cause atm they are down under the water.

No clue about Australia though. Aus is in a strange spot in odi atm.
 
Rana said:
It was fantastic to see Hardik going for 30 odd as well

It’s a reminder to Indians that your pace dominance literally hangs on Bumrah only
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Bumrah is declining.

However their pace attack isnt bad either. But its their spin that is a nightmare
 
Rana said:
It was fantastic to see Hardik going for 30 odd as well

It’s a reminder to Indians that your pace dominance literally hangs on Bumrah only
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Come on, india is not selecting pace bowlers as these are UAE pitches.
 
mominsaigol said:
I think everyone expected PK to lose to india. So I dont get what this PR propaganda is about now?
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It is not about winning or losing. It is about the fact that Pakistan showed zero intent with the bat.

This is what the new era and new template apologists don’t realize or perhaps, don’t want to realize.

Had Pakistan scored 170+ and lost, or came out swinging and got all out for 127 in 13 overs, they wouldn’t be getting bashed.

However, Pakistan batted a full 20 overs and scored 127 only.

The reason they scored 127 was because Shaheen was swinging for the fences which he alway does and has nothing to do with the mythical mindset that Agha and Hesson have implemented.

It is very clear that all this talk of a new batting style and new template is nothing but a load of hogwash. It is easy to talk about it in press conferences but it is a different challenge to actually go out there and do it vs top opposition.

The whole narrative around dropping Babar and Rizwan was that they play outdated T20 cricket, so what brand of cricket are we playing right now?

Who bats for 20 overs in 2025 and scores 127 only on the shoulders of a decent tailender swinging his bat? The pitch excuse died a quick death too because India knocked down the total in no time.

Who scores 160 vs Oman in a T20 game in 2025 after making big claims about intent and aggressive mindset?

What was the point of dropping Babar if his replacement is going to score 29 in 29 and 40 in 44?
 
What a joke this team has become. We dropped Babar and Rizwan for these players? Haris and Farhan are straight up garbage, and even Saim and Hasan Nawaz don’t come close to Babar and Rizwan in T20s. Say what you want about their strike rate, but at least Babar and Rizwan give you consistency and stability. These new guys have shown nothing.
 
Caved12 said:
What a joke this team has become. We dropped Babar and Rizwan for these players? Haris and Farhan are straight up garbage, and even Saim and Hasan Nawaz don’t come close to Babar and Rizwan in T20s. Say what you want about their strike rate, but at least Babar and Rizwan give you consistency and stability. These new guys have shown nothing.
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Pakistan had dropped to the 8th spot in the rankings

These guys have taken Pakistan to no.7
 
RizBar fans, PTI fans, Naqvi haters right now celebrating Pakistan advancing to the super 4s
 

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Rana said:
12 wins out of 16

We march on!

RizBar fans can cry all they want!

The process is in place

WE TRUST THE PROCESS!
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Our batting is trash. These boys aren’t getting used to the pace of the pitch. 67% attacking shots attempted and only an average of 19.

We are constantly going at 6 runs per over before Shaheen comes and smashes a few.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Pakistan had dropped to the 8th spot in the rankings

These guys have taken Pakistan to no.7
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Lmao So Pakistan ‘improved’ from 8th to 7th… by beating teams nobody else worries about? Sure, let’s go with that.
 
Rana said:
Stop crying

Rizwan and Babar destroyed Pakistan cricket

We don’t want those curses back!
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They played 2 finals, 1 SF
They defeated india twice and 3 losses against India were alive till last over.

The whole squad is not even compareable to one foot of Babar. Period.
 
Caved12 said:
Lmao So Pakistan ‘improved’ from 8th to 7th… by beating teams nobody else worries about? Sure, let’s go with that.
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Pakistan has performed better in T20Is this year than in ODIs, the format in which Babar and Rizwan play.
 
Rana said:
Stop crying

Rizwan and Babar destroyed Pakistan cricket

We don’t want those curses back!
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For once, please be honest and admit that they are the best we have right now. We’ve all seen the clown show from the batters you supported over Rizwan and Babar.
 
Caved12 said:
For once, please be honest and admit that they are the best we have right now. We’ve all seen the clown show from the batters you supported over Rizwan and Babar.
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I am always honest.

Me telling you Pakistan do not need them is not me being dishonest.

Farhan, Saim, Fakhar, Harris, Naeem, Nafay, Yasir Khan are all fine for the T20 opener role.


Gurbaz isn’t firing either in the UAE…

Are Babar and Rizwan better openers than he is?
 
Rana said:
I am always honest.

Me telling you Pakistan do not need them is not me being dishonest.

Farhan, Saim, Fakhar, Harris, Naeem, Nafay, Yasir Khan are all fine for the T20 opener role.


Gurbaz isn’t firing either in the UAE…

Are Babar and Rizwan better openers than he is?
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Gurbaz does not play for Pakistan, and I usually don’t get involved in this nonsense of comparing our players with someone who isn’t even part of our team. What does that have to do with us? This is not how you pick your best XI. Rizwan and Babar are both better than Gurbaz and have achieved far more in international cricket than he could ever dream of. None of the other Pakistani players you mentioned come close to being better than Rizwan and Babar.
 
We would’ve lost this game today against UAE if Shaheen hadn’t scored those crucial runs at the end. This weak batting lineup needed their bowlers to step up and save face against UAE. Full credit to Shaheen for a brilliant performance today. The same Shaheen that many rightly criticize but then overreact and demand he gets dropped too.
 
Caved12 said:
Gurbaz does not play for Pakistan, and I usually don’t get involved in this nonsense of comparing our players with someone who isn’t even part of our team. What does that have to do with us? This is not how you pick your best XI. Rizwan and Babar are both better than Gurbaz and have achieved far more in international cricket than he could ever dream of. None of the other Pakistani players you mentioned come close to being better than Rizwan and Babar.
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Pakistan with Rizwan and Babar = 8th in the rankings

Pakistan without Rizwan and Babar = 7th

Pakistan in t20is in 2025 (without RizBar) = 13 wins & 9 losses

Pakistan in ODIs in 2025 (without RizBar) = 2 wins & 9 losses
 
Caved12 said:
We would’ve lost this game today against UAE if Shaheen hadn’t scored those crucial runs at the end. This weak batting lineup needed their bowlers to step up and save face against UAE. Full credit to Shaheen for a brilliant performance today. The same Shaheen that many rightly criticize but then overreact and demand he gets dropped too.
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Same Shaheen who was backstabbed by Babar?
 
Caved12 said:
What a joke this team has become. We dropped Babar and Rizwan for these players? Haris and Farhan are straight up garbage, and even Saim and Hasan Nawaz don’t come close to Babar and Rizwan in T20s. Say what you want about their strike rate, but at least Babar and Rizwan give you consistency and stability. These new guys have shown nothing.
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Babar played a whole WT20 tournament where he averaged 17 and his strike rate was less than run a ball. I have no problem with anyone calling out the current batting line-up as trash but to bring Babar into it - comes across as desperate antics.
 
Caved12 said:
Gurbaz does not play for Pakistan, and I usually don’t get involved in this nonsense of comparing our players with someone who isn’t even part of our team. What does that have to do with us? This is not how you pick your best XI. Rizwan and Babar are both better than Gurbaz and have achieved far more in international cricket than he could ever dream of. None of the other Pakistani players you mentioned come close to being better than Rizwan and Babar.
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Stop deflecting the point

You know exactly what I am arguing here.

The argument is about openers firing the way they should as T20 batters

Gurbaz is a good T20 opener. He gets paid handsomely to play in the best leagues of the world to open the innings.

Has he been firing in the UAE (including the tri series)?? Does this make Babar and Rizwan better T20 openers than he is??
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Same Shaheen who was backstabbed by Babar?
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How was he backstabbed by Babar? Naqvi thought it was wrong to remove Babar in the first place, and Babar believed he was unfairly blamed for the losses in this format, despite recently leading the team to a T20 World Cup final. It was egos clashing, and as always, PCB’s politics turned it into a bigger mess by doing the unthinkable, bringing Imad and the fixer back, reinstating Babar as captain, and allowing Yokozuna to play for Pakistan. Naqvi has been nothing short of a clown, and he deserves the blame for all this nonsense.
 
Rana said:
Stop deflecting the point

You know exactly what I am arguing here.

The argument is about openers firing the way they should as T20 batters

Gurbaz is a good T20 opener. He gets paid handsomely to play in the best leagues of the world to open the innings.

Has he been firing in the UAE (including the tri series)?? Does this make Babar and Rizwan better T20 openers than he is??
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I’m not deflecting, that’s actually what you specialize in. I’ve already answered your questions and I’m not interested in dragging this into another pointless debate that won’t go anywhere with you.
 
Caved12 said:
I’m not deflecting, that’s actually what you specialize in. I’ve already answered your questions and I’m not interested in dragging this into another pointless debate that won’t go anywhere with you.
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You are ignoring the numbers which suggest Pakistan has done better without them
 
topspin said:
Babar played a whole WT20 tournament where he averaged 17 and his strike rate was less than run a ball. I have no problem with anyone calling out the current batting line-up as trash but to bring Babar into it - comes across as desperate antics.
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And Pakistan made past group stage because of rain interrupted SA vs Zim match.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
And Pakistan made past group stage because of rain interrupted SA vs Zim match.
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Yes and what you will notice about the Misbah/Babar/Rizwan group of cheerleaders is that they will hype up that Pakistan side for reaching the final. A case in point:

heddie19 said:
They played 2 finals, 1 SF
They defeated india twice and 3 losses against India were alive till last over.

The whole squad is not even compareable to one foot of Babar. Period.
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The only reason why Pakistan made that final was because South Africa were even bigger bottle jobs as they had lost against the Netherlands.
 
@RyanRyan10 @Rana

Those stats are meaningless and taken from a period when Rizwan and Babar were out of form, after performing consistently for years. In cricket, players with proven track records can’t be judged solely on one bad stretch of 8–12 months, anyone can go through that. On top of that, PCB was in complete chaos, making constant changes. No player can perform at their best under those circumstances, and with a fragile team like Pakistan, such instability only makes things worse.

And just to set the record straight, I was the first one on this forum to point out Babar’s flaws as a captain when he was newly appointed, at a time when most of you were still defending him. I’ve always said he was poor tactically. But in the middle of all the politics and mess of the last couple of years, it’s unfair to pin everything on captaincy or on players who briefly lost form after carrying the team for years. That’s not how cricket works.

And let’s be honest: the “improvement” you’re bragging about came from beating Oman, UAE, Bangladesh, and West Indies. Even Bangladesh managed to beat us in a T20 series. So spare me the talk about rankings going from 8th to 7th.
 
Caved12 said:
@RyanRyan10 @Rana

Those stats are meaningless and taken from a period when Rizwan and Babar were out of form, after performing consistently for years. In cricket, players with proven track records can’t be judged solely on one bad stretch of 8–12 months, anyone can go through that. On top of that, PCB was in complete chaos, making constant changes. No player can perform at their best under those circumstances, and with a fragile team like Pakistan, such instability only makes things worse.

And just to set the record straight, I was the first one on this forum to point out Babar’s flaws as a captain when he was newly appointed, at a time when most of you were still defending him. I’ve always said he was poor tactically. But in the middle of all the politics and mess of the last couple of years, it’s unfair to pin everything on captaincy or on players who briefly lost form after carrying the team for years. That’s not how cricket works.

And let’s be honest: the “improvement” you’re bragging about came from beating Oman, UAE, Bangladesh, and West Indies. Even Bangladesh managed to beat us in a T20 series. So spare me the talk about rankings going from 8th to 7th.
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Forgot to add Afghanistan to that list as well, another weak T20 side we’ve been beating and then bragging about “improvement”
 
We have badly regressed since dropping Rizwan and Babar, barely playing anything that resembles modern T20 cricket. Forget about scoring at 6 runs per over, we’re collapsing again and again, and that too against associate level teams. Just bringing this back on track and focusing on what’s actually supposed to be discussed here
 
Caved12 said:
We have badly regressed since dropping Rizwan and Babar, barely playing anything that resembles modern T20 cricket. Forget about scoring at 6 runs per over, we’re collapsing again and again, and that too against associate level teams. Just bringing this back on track and focusing on what’s actually supposed to be discussed here
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We were scoring the same number of runs with Babar and Rizwan in the team too, so please don’t start with this agenda based rubbish again. They are selfish individuals and they were rightfully kicked out when they started putting themselves above Pakistan cricket.

This team has skill issues but is pretty much mirroring the scores we used to put up with the two mega stars in our team.
 
Caved12 said:
We have badly regressed since dropping Rizwan and Babar, barely playing anything that resembles modern T20 cricket.
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Again,

False.

Mods shared a stat. We have hit the most 180+ scores we have as a T20 team this year than we ever have in our T20 history

We have also hit the most sixes we have ever hit in a calendar year this year. 160+ sixes in 2025…

The previous best was 152.

It is clear we are progressing as a T20 batting side. These pitches in Dubai have not been testimony to the team’s batting progress!
 
Caved12 said:
We have badly regressed since dropping Rizwan and Babar, barely playing anything that resembles modern T20 cricket. Forget about scoring at 6 runs per over, we’re collapsing again and again, and that too against associate level teams. Just bringing this back on track and focusing on what’s actually supposed to be discussed here
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How can we regress from a point where we weren’t winning anything?

The associate sides you are thinking of can’t be worse than USA, right?
 
Usman Chadda said:
We were scoring the same number of runs with Babar and Rizwan in the team too, so please don’t start with this agenda based rubbish again. They are selfish individuals and they were rightfully kicked out when they started putting themselves above Pakistan cricket.

This team has skill issues but is pretty much mirroring the scores we used to put up with the two mega stars in our team.
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Let these clowns chase 200 a few times against better teams and beat India like Rizwan and Babar did all on their own, then we can talk. Until then, you can keep yelling the same thing from the rooftop all you want, but I’m not listening. Agenda based rubbish is what you specialize in, not me. Carry on
 
Caved12 said:
@RyanRyan10 @Rana

Those stats are meaningless and taken from a period when Rizwan and Babar were out of form, after performing consistently for years. In cricket, players with proven track records can’t be judged solely on one bad stretch of 8–12 months, anyone can go through that. On top of that, PCB was in complete chaos, making constant changes. No player can perform at their best under those circumstances, and with a fragile team like Pakistan, such instability only makes things worse.

And just to set the record straight, I was the first one on this forum to point out Babar’s flaws as a captain when he was newly appointed, at a time when most of you were still defending him. I’ve always said he was poor tactically. But in the middle of all the politics and mess of the last couple of years, it’s unfair to pin everything on captaincy or on players who briefly lost form after carrying the team for years. That’s not how cricket works.

And let’s be honest: the “improvement” you’re bragging about came from beating Oman, UAE, Bangladesh, and West Indies. Even Bangladesh managed to beat us in a T20 series. So spare me the talk about rankings going from 8th to 7th.
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Stretch of 8-12 months? Bruh you mean 36 months lol 🤣🤣
 
Another shameful performance, I would say the least.... Saim really needs rest.. No need for his bowling anymore.. He should be dropped for the next game... Farhan is going down faster than we thought... Fakhar is okaish... Salman is not a T20 batter and we all know that, but it is hard for you to accept because of obvious reasons...
Mohammad Haris is a mediocre batter (ACCEP THAT). Khushdil shah should never come back because he is pathetic as well... Hassan Nawaz's hype is all dust now.. He is batting like a tail-ender.. Not sure how long he can play like this before he gets a boot.

overall, the whole batting side is shameful.
 
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Caved12 said:
@RyanRyan10 @Rana

Those stats are meaningless and taken from a period when Rizwan and Babar were out of form, after performing consistently for years. In cricket, players with proven track records can’t be judged solely on one bad stretch of 8–12 months, anyone can go through that. On top of that, PCB was in complete chaos, making constant changes. No player can perform at their best under those circumstances, and with a fragile team like Pakistan, such instability only makes things worse.

And just to set the record straight, I was the first one on this forum to point out Babar’s flaws as a captain when he was newly appointed, at a time when most of you were still defending him. I’ve always said he was poor tactically. But in the middle of all the politics and mess of the last couple of years, it’s unfair to pin everything on captaincy or on players who briefly lost form after carrying the team for years. That’s not how cricket works.

And let’s be honest: the “improvement” you’re bragging about came from beating Oman, UAE, Bangladesh, and West Indies. Even Bangladesh managed to beat us in a T20 series. So spare me the talk about rankings going from 8th to 7th.
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When the team isn't performing well and there are underperforming players who have had full control over the team, the wise thing to do is to replace them temporarily. What's wrong with giving at least the Asia Cup to the new players?
 
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