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1965 Pakistan elections: Only Karachi & East Pakistan went against Ayub; traitors or ahead of time?

Discuss. Traitor Mujib ur rehman who led Bangladesh secession was also against ayub
 
My views have changed considerably and I would say that Karachiites and East Pakistanis were definitely in the right.

We are and have been all held subservient by an elite class of career military men, politicians, landlords, waadairey, jagirdars, etc who have no interest in the betterment of the average pakistani or the nation itself.
 
I think it is important to get some of the facts straight.

It is necessary to stress that there was no direct popular vote. Elections were held in 1964 for ‘Basic Democrats’ - effectively Union Councillors. These were elected in the main by popular vote, but the allotment for FATA - representing 9% of the total number of Basic Democrats - came from direct appointments rather than elections. The total number of Basic Democrats amounted to 80,000 and they collectively formed the electoral college for the Presidential election in 1965. It was therefore an indirect vote.

As the Basic Democrats owed their existence to Ayub and as voting for Fatima Jinnah could have risked voting in an entirely new system which either dispensed with the Basic Democrats or clipped their power, it is not surprising that they opted in the majority for Ayub. Ayub could also use the machinery of government and state media to his benefit. It has also been suggested that pressure was put on Basic Democrats, through either intimidation or bribery to vote for Ayub.

In the end, Ayub registered 49,951 of the votes to Fatima Jinnah’s 28,691. Ayub did better in West Pakistan, taking 73.6% of the vote, but he also prevailed in East Pakistan - obtaining 53.1% of the vote.

Fatima Jinnah was able to win in three major urban centres - Karachi, Dhaka and Chittagong. In the case of East Pakistan, Ayub did better in the less developed northern districts and tended to be supported by refugees in Khulna and Rajshahi Divisions who were less supportive of East Pakistani separatism.

This was in contrast to Karachi (where Fatima Jinnah got 1,061 of the votes to Ayub’s 907). Fatima Jinnah’s core constituency was amongst the refugees, who had become disillusioned by the establishment over the years. She was helped by the support of Jamaat-e-Islami (JI), despite its less than enlightened view of leadership by women. Before the rise of the MQM, the JI was influential amongst the refugees of Karachi.

To digress, in the 1950s, the social work of the JI included: clearing waste in refugee camps, burying unclaimed corpses, and providing food to the poor. It also provided medical help through the operation of a number of mobile and permanent dispensaries. By 1958, it was running more than fifty permanent dispensaries and over one hundred medical centres in Karachi. When refugee areas were destroyed by fire in 1958, it was JI workers who were first on the scene. In short: in the early years the JI was very active in providing welfare assistance in a context where the state’s policies in rehabilitating refugees in Karachi were perceived to be dilatory.

Following the Presidential Election in January 1965, National Assembly elections were held in March, with the Basic Democrats again forming the electoral college. Ayub’s party obtained 49.6% of the popular vote in East Pakistan and 61.3% in West Pakistan.

The British High Commission, in May 1965, reported to the British Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations that, “As in the Presidential election,” in the National and Provincial elections:

“strong pressures had been applied to the electors before they entered the polling booths. In West Pakistan the police and the district administration were assiduous in urging the B.Ds. [Basic Democrats] to vote for the P.M.L. [Ayub’s party] candidates. Bribery was widely, if not universally employed – the price of a vote was quoted at Rs.3,000, and one successful candidate was said to have spent 45,000 [British Pounds] on bribes and treating. (One wonders what he expects to get on his investment.) It is significant that the only opposition success in West Pakistan was in a Karachi seat where a family quarrel rendered the P.M.L. candidate unable to pay the sums he had promised, whereat [sic] the outraged electors returned his astonished rival.”
 
I think it is important to get some of the facts straight.

It is necessary to stress that there was no direct popular vote. Elections were held in 1964 for ‘Basic Democrats’ - effectively Union Councillors. These were elected in the main by popular vote, but the allotment for FATA - representing 9% of the total number of Basic Democrats - came from direct appointments rather than elections. The total number of Basic Democrats amounted to 80,000 and they collectively formed the electoral college for the Presidential election in 1965. It was therefore an indirect vote.

As the Basic Democrats owed their existence to Ayub and as voting for Fatima Jinnah could have risked voting in an entirely new system which either dispensed with the Basic Democrats or clipped their power, it is not surprising that they opted in the majority for Ayub. Ayub could also use the machinery of government and state media to his benefit. It has also been suggested that pressure was put on Basic Democrats, through either intimidation or bribery to vote for Ayub.

In the end, Ayub registered 49,951 of the votes to Fatima Jinnah’s 28,691. Ayub did better in West Pakistan, taking 73.6% of the vote, but he also prevailed in East Pakistan - obtaining 53.1% of the vote.

Fatima Jinnah was able to win in three major urban centres - Karachi, Dhaka and Chittagong. In the case of East Pakistan, Ayub did better in the less developed northern districts and tended to be supported by refugees in Khulna and Rajshahi Divisions who were less supportive of East Pakistani separatism.

This was in contrast to Karachi (where Fatima Jinnah got 1,061 of the votes to Ayub’s 907). Fatima Jinnah’s core constituency was amongst the refugees, who had become disillusioned by the establishment over the years. She was helped by the support of Jamaat-e-Islami (JI), despite its less than enlightened view of leadership by women. Before the rise of the MQM, the JI was influential amongst the refugees of Karachi.

To digress, in the 1950s, the social work of the JI included: clearing waste in refugee camps, burying unclaimed corpses, and providing food to the poor. It also provided medical help through the operation of a number of mobile and permanent dispensaries. By 1958, it was running more than fifty permanent dispensaries and over one hundred medical centres in Karachi. When refugee areas were destroyed by fire in 1958, it was JI workers who were first on the scene. In short: in the early years the JI was very active in providing welfare assistance in a context where the state’s policies in rehabilitating refugees in Karachi were perceived to be dilatory.

Following the Presidential Election in January 1965, National Assembly elections were held in March, with the Basic Democrats again forming the electoral college. Ayub’s party obtained 49.6% of the popular vote in East Pakistan and 61.3% in West Pakistan.

The British High Commission, in May 1965, reported to the British Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations that, “As in the Presidential election,” in the National and Provincial elections:

“strong pressures had been applied to the electors before they entered the polling booths. In West Pakistan the police and the district administration were assiduous in urging the B.Ds. [Basic Democrats] to vote for the P.M.L. [Ayub’s party] candidates. Bribery was widely, if not universally employed – the price of a vote was quoted at Rs.3,000, and one successful candidate was said to have spent 45,000 [British Pounds] on bribes and treating. (One wonders what he expects to get on his investment.) It is significant that the only opposition success in West Pakistan was in a Karachi seat where a family quarrel rendered the P.M.L. candidate unable to pay the sums he had promised, whereat [sic] the outraged electors returned his astonished rival.”

we have been a nation of sellouts since the very beginning! Who would have thought!
 
My views have changed considerably and I would say that Karachiites and East Pakistanis were definitely in the right.

We are and have been all held subservient by an elite class of career military men, politicians, landlords, waadairey, jagirdars, etc who have no interest in the betterment of the average pakistani or the nation itself.

What do you mean by views have changed
 
What do you mean by views have changed

Used to believe the army had the best interests of the nation at heart. Bengalis were traitors. Army ops in Karachi were warranted.. etc, etc.

Turns out they are the biggest band of crooks who control the smaller crooks.
 
Karachi was always more advanced in terms of education and modernity than the rest of Pakistan so they should have had more say. That said, they also looked down on other regions which were less developed and more traditional, and I don't think you can have that attitude when you are representing so many different regions.

They also produced one of the most notorious traitors of the nation in Altaf Hussain. He should never have been the face of Karachi but he owned it publicly.
 
Karachi was always more advanced in terms of education and modernity than the rest of Pakistan so they should have had more say. That said, they also looked down on other regions which were less developed and more traditional, and I don't think you can have that attitude when you are representing so many different regions.

They also produced one of the most notorious traitors of the nation in Altaf Hussain. He should never have been the face of Karachi but he owned it publicly.

In a democracy, educated or not, everybody has one vote. I read somewhere tht ALtaf and MQM were also "created" by the military establishment. I dont know how true is that.
 
In a democracy, educated or not, everybody has one vote. I read somewhere tht ALtaf and MQM were also "created" by the military establishment. I dont know how true is that.

Some say it was created by Zia to counter PPP in sindh. But it was always JI which was popular in Karachi and not ppp so not sure how true that is. Probably somewhere in middle is truth.

I think when Altaf and MQM came the things he said made sense (he was saying same things imran khan is saying today more or less); but he just lost his marbles and went insane in 90s. At that point Karachi ppl should have dropped him but they didn’t probably because they developed this huge victim complex due to the military operation.

Either way the military establishment has had huge role in the mess.

The reason why PPP and PML-N are relevant is also because of the military interference. They would have died long time ago naturally due to non performance if it wasn’t for them
 
Some say it was created by Zia to counter PPP in sindh. But it was always JI which was popular in Karachi and not ppp so not sure how true that is. Probably somewhere in middle is truth.

I think when Altaf and MQM came the things he said made sense (he was saying same things imran khan is saying today more or less); but he just lost his marbles and went insane in 90s. At that point Karachi ppl should have dropped him but they didn’t probably because they developed this huge victim complex due to the military operation.

Either way the military establishment has had huge role in the mess.

The reason why PPP and PML-N are relevant is also because of the military interference. They would have died long time ago naturally due to non performance if it wasn’t for them

Hard to disagree with any of it. i have never lived in Karachi or even visited it.. just travelled through a few a times, but my friends from there tell me MQM did a lot of good work for the city when they first started. But later on, they just devolved into a mafia of sorts. So I dont doubt any of it.

The key here is that if you make a certain section of your citizen feel like pariahs, this sort of stuff happens. Then you try to suppress them and use military force against them. We did not learn from our mistakes in East Pakistan. You have to keep everyone together, every minority/ethnicity/whatever.
 
In a democracy, educated or not, everybody has one vote. I read somewhere tht ALtaf and MQM were also "created" by the military establishment. I dont know how true is that.

yup they were. There is a book called Party worker, written by Omar Shahid Hamid who was a police officer in Karachi and his father was the MD of KESC who was killed by MQM for not paying extortion.

He writes books which are based on true events but he changes the names. In his book he reveals alot on how the MQM was formed. While it was an educated peoples party, it was being funded by the ISI because they wanted to break the influence of PPP in Sindh and Karachi.

Now look at the result of karachi today :)
 
Pakistan is no different to Myanmar when you think about it. The military junta have perched themselves on the ivory tower for generations.

Imran Khan = Aung San Suu Kyi. A fleeting interruption at best.
 
Used to believe the army had the best interests of the nation at heart. Bengalis were traitors. Army ops in Karachi were warranted.. etc, etc.

Turns out they are the biggest band of crooks who control the smaller crooks.

To be fair, Mujeeb Ur Rehman and Bhutto both were justified. Neither of them of was wrong.

Bhutto or any other politician could not give in to the demands of Mujeeb ur Rehman, as the 6 points were against the constitution and would had broken up the country in the long run. Asking for a seperate army, separate currency, and separate trade agreements on provincial level meant that Mujeeb Ur Rehman was asking for a separate country. No politician from West Pakistan could had accepted that as it would had been political suicide and would also been considered a sell out.

Even though it was never Bhuttos decisions, infact it was Yahyah Khans decision to hand over the govt, but Bhutto as a contestant of the election was well within his rights to stand up to the 6 points of Mujeeb which were ridiculous from West Pakistan's point of view.

This would had meant that in the longer run, if Baluchistan was to be made a province along with Sindh and KPK, Pakistan could had internally broken apart, even though i believe the election of 1971 was contested where east and west were considered as two province.

Also, i would add even Mujeeb ur Rehman was not wrong from his perspective. We have to understand that the Bengalis were being discriminated, they were not being taken care of. This mess started due to our foreign policy where we decided to choose the Americans. The Americans were involved in a anti communist crises and because East Pakistan was favorable towards communist, the money we used to get from US, they had told the govt of Pakistan that it should not be spent on East Pakistan.

East Pakistan had to put up with every kind of discrimination, even though we their industries funded us but they never got anything back. The icing on the cake was the cyclone of 1971 that caused alot of damage and West Pakistan couldnt be bothered to send in aid and support.

Thus, Mujeeb started his election campaigns on the basis of these 6 points which were justified from the sense that we had discriminated them. But for any politician in west Pakistan you just cannot accept those 6 points. What was required was a middle ground that Bhutto and Mujeeb couldn't reach. Mujeeb knew he won the election from east pakistan only because of those 6 points, if he met on a common ground he would lose his credibility back home. Had Bhutto accepted his demands, that would had been political suicide for Bhutto and jeopardize the future of Pakistan in the long run, Bhutto was a statesman at the end of the day.

War was inventible, that's what had happened in USA a century earlier? Someone like Abraham Lincoln is highly respected in US history. The guy saved his country from breaking apart in a similar fashion. He went into war and used the emancipation proclamation in his own favor which helped in the Union being preserved by defeating the Southerns.

Our situation had turned into the mess due to the army being involved.
 
yup they were. There is a book called Party worker, written by Omar Shahid Hamid who was a police officer in Karachi and his father was the MD of KESC who was killed by MQM for not paying extortion.

He writes books which are based on true events but he changes the names. In his book he reveals alot on how the MQM was formed. While it was an educated peoples party, it was being funded by the ISI because they wanted to break the influence of PPP in Sindh and Karachi.

Now look at the result of karachi today :)

PPP never had influence in Karachi. Also what Karachi is today is due to PPP
 
To be fair, Mujeeb Ur Rehman and Bhutto both were justified. Neither of them of was wrong.

Bhutto or any other politician could not give in to the demands of Mujeeb ur Rehman, as the 6 points were against the constitution and would had broken up the country in the long run. Asking for a seperate army, separate currency, and separate trade agreements on provincial level meant that Mujeeb Ur Rehman was asking for a separate country. No politician from West Pakistan could had accepted that as it would had been political suicide and would also been considered a sell out.

Even though it was never Bhuttos decisions, infact it was Yahyah Khans decision to hand over the govt, but Bhutto as a contestant of the election was well within his rights to stand up to the 6 points of Mujeeb which were ridiculous from West Pakistan's point of view.

This would had meant that in the longer run, if Baluchistan was to be made a province along with Sindh and KPK, Pakistan could had internally broken apart, even though i believe the election of 1971 was contested where east and west were considered as two province.

Also, i would add even Mujeeb ur Rehman was not wrong from his perspective. We have to understand that the Bengalis were being discriminated, they were not being taken care of. This mess started due to our foreign policy where we decided to choose the Americans. The Americans were involved in a anti communist crises and because East Pakistan was favorable towards communist, the money we used to get from US, they had told the govt of Pakistan that it should not be spent on East Pakistan.

East Pakistan had to put up with every kind of discrimination, even though we their industries funded us but they never got anything back. The icing on the cake was the cyclone of 1971 that caused alot of damage and West Pakistan couldnt be bothered to send in aid and support.

Thus, Mujeeb started his election campaigns on the basis of these 6 points which were justified from the sense that we had discriminated them. But for any politician in west Pakistan you just cannot accept those 6 points. What was required was a middle ground that Bhutto and Mujeeb couldn't reach. Mujeeb knew he won the election from east pakistan only because of those 6 points, if he met on a common ground he would lose his credibility back home. Had Bhutto accepted his demands, that would had been political suicide for Bhutto and jeopardize the future of Pakistan in the long run, Bhutto was a statesman at the end of the day.

War was inventible, that's what had happened in USA a century earlier? Someone like Abraham Lincoln is highly respected in US history. The guy saved his country from breaking apart in a similar fashion. He went into war and used the emancipation proclamation in his own favor which helped in the Union being preserved by defeating the Southerns.

Our situation had turned into the mess due to the army being involved.

Even in late 1971, there is a Mujib interview where he says full independence isn’t what he is looking for. What they want is a National Assembly session called.

And I’m assuming you know who’s said statements like: “hum idhar tum idhar” and “meri party se jo National Assembly session jaye uss ki taangain tor doon ga”
 
Some say it was created by Zia to counter PPP in sindh. But it was always JI which was popular in Karachi and not ppp so not sure how true that is. Probably somewhere in middle is truth.

I think when Altaf and MQM came the things he said made sense (he was saying same things imran khan is saying today more or less); but he just lost his marbles and went insane in 90s. At that point Karachi ppl should have dropped him but they didn’t probably because they developed this huge victim complex due to the military operation.

Either way the military establishment has had huge role in the mess.

The reason why PPP and PML-N are relevant is also because of the military interference. They would have died long time ago naturally due to non performance if it wasn’t for them

+1 MQM was initially created by Zia and the military establishment, but later on, Altaf Hussain went rogue.

Altaf of the 80s was the right man, but the 1992 operation and formation of Haqiqi were part of a plan to break them. After that, Altaf went rogue.
 
Even in late 1971, there is a Mujib interview where he says full independence isn’t what he is looking for. What they want is a National Assembly session called.

And I’m assuming you know who’s said statements like: “hum idhar tum idhar” and “meri party se jo National Assembly session jaye uss ki taangain tor doon ga”

Bro its always better to actually do in depth study before making a conclusion. The biggest problem of social media is that any person can post anything without context and naive people like you end up believing it.

Yes there is a video of bhutto saying hum idher tum udhar. However, this was never said in terms of saying that west pakistan belongs to us and east Pakistan belongs to you.

If you had ever met with people of those time and read articles of Bhuttos election campaign, basically the fontext of that qoute was, Bhutto was saying we will do our Election Campaign here, and You do your Election Campaign there, and kets see who wins.

The hum ider tum ider has been taken out of context by many naive kids of today but thabkfully journalist of that time have corrected what was the true context .


As for what mujib said, again, plz read his election campaign. Study mujibs 6 points in depth
 
PPP never had influence in Karachi. Also what Karachi is today is due to PPP

Again you are wrong. Karachi was ppps strong hold.

Today karachi is a mess due to a Mushrafes policies plus the mqm. Karachi became a mess wgere mqm and ppp kept fighting which mqm destroyed at the end.

Every mqm unit person was a badmash in his gali
 
Bro its always better to actually do in depth study before making a conclusion. The biggest problem of social media is that any person can post anything without context and naive people like you end up believing it.

Yes there is a video of bhutto saying hum idher tum udhar. However, this was never said in terms of saying that west pakistan belongs to us and east Pakistan belongs to you.

If you had ever met with people of those time and read articles of Bhuttos election campaign, basically the fontext of that qoute was, Bhutto was saying we will do our Election Campaign here, and You do your Election Campaign there, and kets see who wins.

The hum ider tum ider has been taken out of context by many naive kids of today but thabkfully journalist of that time have corrected what was the true context .


As for what mujib said, again, plz read his election campaign. Study mujibs 6 points in depth

Sounds like excuses…

Also the 6 points were starting position. Mujib was open to negotiation and infact knew he would be able to get perhaps 3 of them.

What’s your excuse for him refusing to attend a National Assembly session and give AL their deserved majority?
 
Pakistan is no different to Myanmar when you think about it. The military junta have perched themselves on the ivory tower for generations.

Imran Khan = Aung San Suu Kyi. A fleeting interruption at best.

Thate hate for pakistan is just palpable. It is very shameful how Indians make no bones abou how they really want pakistan to continue with their wishful posts here.

On one hand they complain about Pakistani military establishment, on the other they love to hate only guy who wants to fight them.

[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION], stop jumping to conclusion. Imran's chapter will only be closed when he passes on. Such is the determination of that guy. There is definitely more to come so dont hold your breath.
 
Thate hate for pakistan is just palpable. It is very shameful how Indians make no bones abou how they really want pakistan to continue with their wishful posts here.

On one hand they complain about Pakistani military establishment, on the other they love to hate only guy who wants to fight them.

[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION], stop jumping to conclusion. Imran's chapter will only be closed when he passes on. Such is the determination of that guy. There is definitely more to come so dont hold your breath.

Well I don't hate Pakistan.

Good luck to Imran Khan, but unfortunately he is the right person in a country who can't seem to budge a finger for him and his cause, so colour me skeptical.
 
Well I don't hate Pakistan.

Good luck to Imran Khan, but unfortunately he is the right person in a country who can't seem to budge a finger for him and his cause, so colour me skeptical.

Just because people aren't starting a civil war doesn't mean they don't support him. IK is by far the most popular leader in Pakistan.

It's best to go through the long election process without causing unrepairable damage.
 
Well I don't hate Pakistan.

Good luck to Imran Khan, but unfortunately he is the right person in a country who can't seem to budge a finger for him and his cause, so colour me skeptical.

No he is not the right person. Dont read into stuff posted by overseas pakistanis.

Apparently, many of them dont even know their own country's history or the basis things like Mujeeb's six points :), that should tell you about their creadibility
 
plz read about pakistan history in full depth thanks. Negotiation classes wont change the history of what happened.

read books by different authors.

I said it early, the social media awaaam watches 1 or 2 videos out of context and they think they know the stuff. You have admit it yourself now.
Lol the guy who gets humiliated on a weekly basis on this forum for giving wrong facts is now going to lecture on facts… irony
 
No he is not the right person. Dont read into stuff posted by overseas pakistanis.

Apparently, many of them dont even know their own country's history or the basis things like Mujeeb's six points :), that should tell you about their creadibility

You provide regular laughs. You seem to have a grudge against overseas Pakistanis. Only in Pakistan where a well traveled person is considered ignorant.
You also seem to believe that someone who spent most of his adult life outside pakistan, was sheltered and went to western universities will somehow be the savior and the best leader for Pakistan.

Double standards much? i am pretty sure you are Sindhi but you have to stop supporting politicians along ethnic lines.
 
Even in late 1971, there is a Mujib interview where he says full independence isn’t what he is looking for. What they want is a National Assembly session called.

And I’m assuming you know who’s said statements like: “hum idhar tum idhar” and “meri party se jo National Assembly session jaye uss ki taangain tor doon ga”


The “hum idhar tum udhar” quote ultimately turned out to be right. The biggest block on having two Pakistans was always going to be the geography, with India stuck in the middle poking and prodding for holes to exploit. Ultimately seems like culture did indeed matter more than religion when it came to national unity.
 
The “hum idhar tum udhar” quote ultimately turned out to be right. The biggest block on having two Pakistans was always going to be the geography, with India stuck in the middle poking and prodding for holes to exploit. Ultimately seems like culture did indeed matter more than religion when it came to national unity.

No, i disagree. This was a result of outright violation of rights to a subsection of our citizens. INDIANS DID NOT have to poke and prod. It was hand delivered in a wrapped platter to them as a gift.
 
No, i disagree. This was a result of outright violation of rights to a subsection of our citizens. INDIANS DID NOT have to poke and prod. It was hand delivered in a wrapped platter to them as a gift.

Yes. These people forget that the Bengalis were at the forefront of the Pakistan movement in the first place. Also even in 1965 you can see how much support the idea of Pakistan had.

Fatima Jinnah rallies were packed to the rafters for 1965 elections
 
No, i disagree. This was a result of outright violation of rights to a subsection of our citizens. INDIANS DID NOT have to poke and prod. It was hand delivered in a wrapped platter to them as a gift.

Then on what basis did India intervene? Why would they get involved in a war which ostensibly had nothing to do with them?
 
Yes. These people forget that the Bengalis were at the forefront of the Pakistan movement in the first place. Also even in 1965 you can see how much support the idea of Pakistan had.

Fatima Jinnah rallies were packed to the rafters for 1965 elections

I'm sure emotionally there was a great enthusiasm for Pakistan, just logistically it must have been difficult to administer when you have two countries which don't share a border, and in fact are divided by a hostile entity sitting in the middle.
 
Then on what basis did India intervene? Why would they get involved in a war which ostensibly had nothing to do with them?

I am sorry but i dont get your question. Care to phrase it a bit differently so i can decipher what you are trying to ask?
 
1. Pakistan launched Operation Chengiz Khan.

2. Payback for Operation Gibraltar.

I didn't actually know what Operation Chengiz Khan was, but on doing a little research it seems Indian forces were already fighting alongside Mukti Bahini seperatists and two Pakistan jets were shot down as a result. I don't want to go into the particulars of the war because that is going to go off topic, but it is pretty clear that India was already using the dispute between east and west Pakistan to fight a proxy war. I don't blame India for this, a pack of hyenas must attack the stranded lion, this is just the way of the animal kingdom.
 
Then on what basis did India intervene? Why would they get involved in a war which ostensibly had nothing to do with them?

To save the Bengalis from The Pakistan army who were committing genocide and mass rape. 1971 was worst genocide of 20th century after Holocaust. It was matter of princiiple & humaity !
 
To save the Bengalis from The Pakistan army who were committing genocide and mass rape. 1971 was worst genocide of 20th century after Holocaust. It was matter of princiiple & humaity !

You should send those same soldiers to Indian occupied Kashmir to save them from genocide and mass rape from....oh. Never mind.
 
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