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6th September : Defence of Pakistan Day - Tributes thread for our defence personnel

8-Pass Charlie

8-Pass Charlie was the codename of an unknown Pakistan Air Force B-57 bomber pilot who raided the Adampur airbase of the Indian Air Force in Indian Punjab a number of times during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965[1] notably starting the series of raids on the base by a solo raid.[2]

He was named "8-Pass Charlie" by his impressed Indian adversaries at the Adampur base as he used to make eight passes, one for each bomb, on selected targets with improving efficiency instead of safely dropping all his bomb load and exiting. He is also known to have had expertise in disguising his attack run by confusing anti-aircraft gunners by cutting throttles before entering a dive.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8-Pass_Charlie
 
Prime Minister Imran Khan, along with Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa, visited the restive Line of Control (LoC) on Friday, a press release by the military's media wing said.

According to a brief statement by the Inter-Services Public Relations, the premier was also accompanied by Defence Minister Pervez Khattak, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi and Chairman of Special Committee on Kashmir Syed Fakhar Imam.

During their visit, the prime minister and army chief will interact with troops and meet the families of martyrs. Prime Minister Imran is also expected to visit Muzaffarabad and address citizens today.

The country is observing Defence and Martyrs Day today. This year, Defence and Martyrs Day is also being observed as Kashmir Solidarity Day.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1503887/p...sit-loc-meet-troops-and-martyrs-families-ispr
 
We stopped the enemy from having tea at Lahore gymkhana. The fauj in particular targeted them for assassination getting the job done but all means making sure they never sipped tea again. Loads of love and respect to those who laid down their lives so that Pakistan can live. Shaheed's never die and only a Muslim soldier can be a "shaheed" so Indian army should stop stealing our terms. Non Muslim soldiers' can never be shaheed's.
 
The armed forces have always written stories of bravery and courage, the kind of stories that are always referenced in international military history.

For the responsibilities of national defense, there is a need for unity in the armed forces of Pakistan.

Our great martyrs like Captain Sarwar Shaheed, Major Aziz Bhatti, Major Tufail, Colonel Sher Khan, Major Shabbir Sharif, Major Muhammad Akram, Lance Naik Muhammad Mahfuz, Sawar Muhammad Hussain, Laqman, Rashed Minhas, and other brave and fearless young men shed their pure and warm blood, it will remain a symbol of fear for the enemy until the Day of Judgment.

The Pakistan Army has placed its chests in the line of bullets for the safety of the country in every era.
 
Caretaker Prime Minister Anwaarul Haq Kakar said on Wednesday that the entire nation stood united alongside the country’s armed forces to thwart “evil designs” against Pakistan’s prosperity and integrity.

The premier made the remarks as the nation marked its 58th Defence Day to commemorate the sacrifices of fallen heroes during the 1965 war.

The day dawned with 31-gun salute at the federal capital and 21-gun salute at provincial capitals. Change of guard ceremonies were also held at the mausoleums of Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Allama Iqbal in Karachi and Lahore, respectively.

In his message for Defence Day, Kakar said that September 6 was remembered as a day of vigour, bravery, courage and resilience.

He said that at a time when Pakistan was confronted with multiple security challenges, in the form of extremism, terrorism and external aggression, the entire nation “stood united alongside their defence forces, to thwart evil designs against the integrity and prosperity of Pakistan”.

“Our martyrs who embraced shahadat for the sake of their people and the country can never be forgotten and will always remain in our hearts,” he said, as he highlighted the importance given to martyrs in the Holy Quran.

 
Nation marks 59th Defence Day to commemorate legacy of 1965 War

The nation marked its 59th Defence Day on Friday to commemorate the sacrifices of fallen heroes of the 1965 war against India.

A change of guards was held in major centres, including the Quaid’s mausoleum in Karachi and Allama Iqbal’s in Lahore.

According to state-owned Radio Pakistan, “It was on this day in 1965 the Indian forces crossed international border in the darkness of night to attack Pakistan but the nation foiled nefarious designs of the enemy.”

A statement was issued by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) on behalf of the chairman joint chiefs of staff committee, Services Chiefs and Armed Forces, saying that they “proudly commemorate the triumphant legacy of the 1965 War” — something they described as “a paradigm of the nation’s indomitable will and unyielding spirit.”

“This day serves as a poignant tribute to the valor, sacrifice, and heroism of our gallant soldiers who valiantly defended the motherland against formidable odds,” the ISPR statement said.

“Fifty-nine years ago, the Pakistan Armed Forces decisively thwarted the enemy’s malicious designs, securing a historic victory that will be etched in the annals of history forever. The 1965 War was a beacon of hope, exemplifying the nation’s resilience and determination in the face of adversity.

“We pay heartfelt tribute to the martyrs of Pakistan who have laid down their lives since 1947 in defence of Pakistan and especially those who have given ultimate sacrifices in fights & war against terrorism. Their sacrifices will never be forgotten.”

The military’s media wing also paid tribute to the veterans who “fought valiantly”, vowing that “their bravery and selflessness will always be remembered.”

“The Pakistan Armed Forces reaffirm their unwavering commitment to defend the country against all threats and challenges,” it added. “We along with Law Enforcement Agencies stand ready to defend our homeland with unwavering dedication and unrelenting passion, upholding the spirit of September 1965.

“We also pay tribute to the families of all our martyrs and veterans who have borne the brunt of their loved ones’ sacrifices with courage and resilience.”

‘Honouring the sacrifices’

Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif said, “Today, I join the entire nation in honouring the sacrifices of our soldiers and martyrs, as well as all those who have fought valiantly for Pakistan’s defence.”

“Let us draw inspiration from our shuhada and ghazis to defend and rebuild Pakistan with the same Spirit of September,” he said, “In line with the vision of our Quaid, Muhammad Ali Jinnah by embracing the values of hard work, integrity, and compassion to chart a course towards a brighter future for our beloved Pakistan.”

Meanwhile, President Asif Ali Zardari said that on this day he wanted to pay tribute to the soldiers who defended the country “against external aggression and made great sacrifices”.

“This day reminds us of our unwavering national commitment to defend our sovereignty,” he wrote in a message on the PPP website.

“Our armed forces are alert and always ready to respond to any challenge to national sovereignty and national integrity,” he said. “Our forces are equipped with adequate defence equipment, have the required professional skills and are committed to protect the country from all challenges.”

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I've been listening to Noor Jehan lately, and to be honest, that time was different from today.
 
The President Asif Ali Zardari Message on Defence and Martyrs Day – 6th September 2025

6th September, the Defence and Martyrs Day of Pakistan, is an inspiring chapter of our history. On this day, we, as a proud nation, pay glowing tributes to our valiant Armed Forces and resilient people who have always defended the frontiers with unshakeable faith and matchless courage. The spirit of sacrifice demonstrated in 1965 has become an eternal beacon, guiding our future generations in times of trial and challenge.

This year’s 6th September carries with it added significance, as we recall the recent Marka-e-Haq. Like in 1965, our brave sons of the soil once again displayed unparalleled valour and devotion to duty during the Operation Bunyanum Marsoos against India in May 2025. Their professionalism, fighting skills and war readiness on land, in the air, and at sea, assured us that Pakistan’s defence is impregnable as it is backed by the undying spirit of its people, and the unwavering resolve of its Armed Forces.

As the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, I take pride in reaffirming our national commitment towards continuous upgradation and modernisation of Pakistan’s defence capability. In an era marked by hybrid and 5th Generation Warfare where disinformation, propaganda, and psychological operations are employed as weapons, it is imperative that we strengthen not only our military arsenal but also our information and communication systems. The pillars of our state and the people, especially our youth, must remain vigilant and united to counter these modern-day threats with wisdom, resilience, and unity.

The longstanding dispute of Jammu and Kashmir remains at the core of instability in the region. Without its just resolution, in line with the UN’s Security Council resolutions and aspirations of the Kashmiri people, peace will remain elusive. Furthermore, the heart-wrenching tragedy of Palestine compels us to demand an end to genocide and oppression against the Palestinian people. The world must stand firm for the establishment of an independent State of Palestine, with Al-Quds Al-Sharif as its capital, as the only path to lasting peace in the Middle East.

Lastly, on this Defence and Martyrs Day, let us renew our pledge to remain steadfast, resilient, and united so that the sacrifices of Shuhada are honoured, our defence remains unbreachable, and our future generations inherit a strong, prosperous and peaceful Pakistan. The families of the Shuhada are our pride, and the sacrifices of the Ghazis are our sacred trust. The Spirit of September shall continue to reflect in our Armed Forces’ fearlessness and in our nation’s resilience. No challenge can deter us from the path of self-respect and sovereignty.

 
It used to mean so much while growing up. I grew up, and learned what it actually meant - SADLY!
 

Nation’s civil, military leaders reaffirm resolve, honour martyrs on Defence Day​


The country marked the 60th Defence and Martyrs’ Day with solemn ceremonies and renewed pledges to safeguard the country’s sovereignty, with the civilian and military leadership honouring the courage of martyrs, ghazis, and citizens whose sacrifices form the cornerstone of national defence.

The day, which coincided with the blessed occasion of Eid Milad-un-Nabi (PBUH), began with a 31-gun salute in the federal capital.

Chief of Army Staff Field Marshal Syed Asim Munir, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC) General Sahir Shamshad Mirza, Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Naveed Ashraf and Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Zaheer Ahmed Baber Sidhu led the homage to the nation’s heroes.

In its message, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said September 6 epitomises the unflinching resolve and unshakeable spirit of the Pakistani nation.

“On this historic day, our brave soldiers, with the support of the nation, stood like an insurmountable wall against blatant aggression, thwarting the nefarious designs of an enemy far superior in arms and numbers. The feats of heroic valour and sacrifice left an indelible message on the sands of time: that a united nation can never be defeated,” it said.

ISPR added that the courage of fearless heroes continues to inspire future generations and their legacy shall live on forever. The armed forces also expressed their resolve to extend all-out support to victims of the ongoing floods across Pakistan and reaffirmed their pledge to defend the country against any threat, vowing a “befitting and decisive response” to any attempt to disrupt the hard-earned peace.

A solemn guard-changing ceremony was held at the Mazar-e-Quaid in Karachi on Saturday to mark Defence and Martyrs Day.

A contingent from the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) took over guard duties at the mausoleum. Air Vice Marshal Shahryar Khan attended the ceremony as the chief guest.

Speaking as the chief guest at the guard changing ceremony at Mazar-e-Quaid, AVM Shahryar Khan said: "Operation Bunyan-um-Marsoos reminds us of September 6, but next time the score won't stop at 6-0, it will be 60-0."

'A glorious chapter'​

President Asif Ali Zardari, in his message issued from the Presidency, called September 6 a “glorious chapter” in Pakistan’s history. He paid rich tribute to the brave soldiers and resilient citizens who, with unshakable faith and unmatched courage, have defended the nation’s borders.

The president highlighted the significance of this year’s Defence Day in light of the recent Operation “Bunyan-um-Marsoos” conducted in May 2025. “Just as our courageous forces demonstrated extraordinary valour and dedication in 1965, our sons once again proved their unmatched bravery during this year’s operation,” he said.

He lauded the professional excellence, combat readiness, and multi-domain capabilities of the Pakistan military, terming the nation’s defence “impregnable” and built on the eternal spirit of its people. As Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, he reiterated his commitment to modernising Pakistan’s defence capabilities and emphasised countering modern threats such as hybrid warfare, disinformation, and psychological operations.

President Zardari urged all pillars of the state, particularly the youth, to remain alert, united, and resilient in the face of evolving challenges. He reaffirmed Pakistan’s principled stance on Kashmir and Palestine, calling Kashmir the root cause of regional instability and condemning Israeli atrocities as genocide. He demanded a just solution for Kashmir and an independent Palestinian state with Al-Quds Al-Sharif as its capital.

“Let us remain steadfast, courageous, and united so that the sacrifices of our martyrs are honoured, our defence remains unbreakable, and we pass on a strong, prosperous, and peaceful Pakistan to our future generations,” he concluded, paying tribute to the families of martyrs and veterans.

'A symbol of courage'​

Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif also paid glowing tribute to the martyrs and ghazis, calling September 6 “a symbol of courage, unity, and resilience.” He recalled how Pakistan’s armed forces, with the full support of the people, had thwarted enemy aggression in 1965 and proven the nation’s capacity to defend its independence and integrity.

Highlighting the recent “Operation Bunyan-um-Marsoos, Marqa-e-Haq,” the prime minister lauded the Army, Navy, and Air Force for their unmatched professionalism and combat skills under the strategic leadership of COAS Field Marshal Munir. He said the courage of martyrs and war veterans would continue to inspire generations.

PM Shehbaz reaffirmed Pakistan’s commitment to peace and constructive engagement but warned against ignoring “continuous Indian provocations and shifting regional dynamics.” He stressed strengthening defence capabilities and resolutely countering foreign-sponsored terrorism and proxy warfare.

Expressing solidarity with the people of Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK), the prime minister reiterated unwavering support for their struggle for self-determination and strongly condemned ongoing Israeli aggression in Palestine, urging uninterrupted humanitarian aid to Gaza.

The premier underscored that economic stability is essential for strong defence and urged the nation to rise above personal differences for sustainable prosperity and self-reliance.

“On this Defence and Martyrs Day, let us renew our pledge to the timeless principles of faith, unity, and discipline as envisioned by Quaid-e-Azam, and work together for a secure, united, and prosperous Pakistan. Pakistan Armed Forces Zindabad, Pakistan Paindabad,” he concluded.

 
Aug 1965: Pakistan launched Operation Gibraltar to liberate Kashmir thru large-scale infiltrations. Failed.

01 Sep 1965: Pakistan launched Operation Grand Slam & attacked Akhnoor in order to liberate Kashmir. Failed Again.

06 Sep 1965: Pakistan successfully defended Lahore!

🤣😂😂😂😂

:klopp :kp
 
Aug 1965: Pakistan launched Operation Gibraltar to liberate Kashmir thru large-scale infiltrations. Failed.

01 Sep 1965: Pakistan launched Operation Grand Slam & attacked Akhnoor in order to liberate Kashmir. Failed Again.

06 Sep 1965: Pakistan successfully defended Lahore!

🤣😂😂😂😂

:klopp :kp




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May 07, 2025 – India launched Operation Sindoor and, as expected, got an epic phainta at the hands of West Pakistan. Final score: 6–0 (though Ref Trump insists it was 7–0 😄).
 
May 07, 2025 – India launched Operation Sindoor and, as expected, got an epic phainta at the hands of West Pakistan. Final score: 6–0 (though Ref Trump insists it was 7–0 😄).


Does it occur to you that India lost a lot many more jets than Pakistan did in the 1971 war ? I suppose thats why you guys think that you won 1971 war and 2025 ? :ROFLMAO:
 
May 07, 2025 – India launched Operation Sindoor and, as expected, got an epic phainta at the hands of West Pakistan. Final score: 6–0 (though Ref Trump insists it was 7–0 😄).
India launched op Sindoor and demolish terror launchpads ( With proof) and 11 Pakistan Airbases , radar defence system( with HD quality satelite imaginary as an proofs)

Indians drone attacked as all over Pakistan without any interpretation. Brahmos missile fired all over Pakistan.

And Pakistan Lost 5-6 jets but yea sarrrr Pakistan has won just like 1965, 71 ,99,48 😂😂😂😂

:klopp :kp
 
Respect to the braves 🫡 full capabilities still unknown since shooting down neighboring choozay and 200+ soldiers within 2 weeks at their bases (also damaged) and border is no biggie.
 
India launched op Sindoor and demolish terror launchpads ( With proof) and 11 Pakistan Airbases , radar defence system( with HD quality satelite imaginary as an proofs)

Indians drone attacked as all over Pakistan without any interpretation. Brahmos missile fired all over Pakistan.

And Pakistan Lost 5-6 jets but yea sarrrr Pakistan has won just like 1965, 71 ,99,48 😂😂😂😂

:klopp :kp
wait the IAF can't even fly a rafael corretly and those choozay shooting down our jets is laughable and no evidence of shooting jets has been given by your army lol, Also no airbases are destroyed you believing your media which s ranked #1 in fake news man what a joke!
 
Does it occur to you that India lost a lot many more jets than Pakistan did in the 1971 war ? I suppose thats why you guys think that you won 1971 war and 2025 ? :ROFLMAO:
Get this through your malfunctioning head - the 1971 war was nothing but the rotten politics of West Pakistan. If India had two wings separated by a thousand miles with West Pakistan lodged right in the middle, Pakistan would’ve swallowed it whole within a decade or two of its birth. So, you can keep parroting “1971” like a broken record, but the fact remains: West Pakistan thrashed India in every other war (considering how small it is vs India) — 1971 was just an anomaly.

As for 2025, only your beloved Godi media cooks up bedtime stories of successful surgical strikes. Yeah the missiles hit Pakistan. There is no country safe from hypersonic missiles, let aone Pakistan - keep harping about those strikes to appease your tiny hearts. Godi media and its followers are permanently stuck in DeLulu.

Now something serious - smileys that dumb Godi media clowns love: 😊:D:ROFLMAO::giggle:
 
Respect to the braves 🫡 full capabilities still unknown since shooting down neighboring choozay and 200+ soldiers within 2 weeks at their bases (also damaged) and border is no biggie.
the 1965 war was a loss though started by Pak, andthey portray it like they were victorious in it started the downfall of Ayub
 
India launched op Sindoor and demolish terror launchpads ( With proof) and 11 Pakistan Airbases , radar defence system( with HD quality satelite imaginary as an proofs)

Indians drone attacked as all over Pakistan without any interpretation. Brahmos missile fired all over Pakistan.

And Pakistan Lost 5-6 jets but yea sarrrr Pakistan has won just like 1965, 71 ,99,48 😂😂😂😂

:klopp :kp
I am not gonna fall into a debate with a you
:);):p:D:eek::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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the 1965 war was a loss though started by Pak, andthey portray it like they were victorious in it started the downfall of Ayub
Prove that it was a loss. Per most of the analysts, it was a stalemate - both sides losing territories.

It WAS a loss in a sense that it was started by Pakistan which resulted in the loss of its objective: capturing Kashmir.
 
Get this through your malfunctioning head - the 1971 war was nothing but the rotten politics of West Pakistan. If India had two wings separated by a thousand miles with West Pakistan lodged right in the middle, Pakistan would’ve swallowed it whole within a decade or two of its birth.

Sounds like lame excuses to me ... you might want to first worry about keeping Balochistan


So, you can keep parroting “1971” like a broken record, but the fact remains: West Pakistan thrashed India in every other war (considering how small it is vs India) — 1971 was just an anomaly.

So Kashmir is now a Pakistani territory ? Is Kargil now a Pakistani Territory how about Siachen ?


As for 2025, only your beloved Godi media cooks up bedtime stories of successful surgical strikes. Yeah the missiles hit Pakistan. There is no country safe from hypersonic missiles, let aone Pakistan - keep harping about those strikes to appease your tiny hearts. Godi media and its followers are permanently stuck in DeLulu.

We not only invade and hit you in your own backyard but we also take footage of that. Let me know if you havent seen the latest episode from May 2025. So what happened to your cruise missiles ... all duds ehh ?


Now something serious - smileys that dumb Godi media clowns love: 😊:D:ROFLMAO::giggle:

you tell me ... you were the one that started with smilies and you got treated likewise.
 
Aug 1965: Pakistan launched Operation Gibraltar to liberate Kashmir thru large-scale infiltrations. Failed.

01 Sep 1965: Pakistan launched Operation Grand Slam & attacked Akhnoor in order to liberate Kashmir. Failed Again.

06 Sep 1965: Pakistan successfully defended Lahore!

🤣😂😂😂😂

:klopp :kp

@Rajdeep
@Hitman
@Vikram1989
@Bhaijaan

Some epic punch lines in that video below .... "went shopping for Shoes and came back without Pants" ( in reference to Pak trying to capture Kashmir but ended up having to defend Lahore )


 
Didn't Pakistan launch op grand slam and somethitn to annex Kashmir... Failed miserably and had to panic and instead just save Lahore .. so offensive actions failed miserably and offense became a fight for survival.. is that what we are celebrating... Wah re wah... Such a celebration.. looks like in 2025.. things didn't change . Still celebrating crushing defeats with victory processions.
 
Sounds like lame excuses to me ... you might want to first worry about keeping Balochistan
Yeah...the only way Ind is capable of defeating Pak is spreading a terror network into Pak. Keep dreaming for your terrorists to succeed. Enjoy your time in Delulu.
 
So Kashmir is now a Pakistani territory ? Is Kargil now a Pakistani Territory how about Siachen ?
Has Pak lost or gained part of Kashmir since 47?

Kargil was a mess and many articles have been written about it. Go and type this on google: what did Clinton say about Kargil conflict?

I don't have time to go over and argue about things which are easily available on internet.
 
Has Pak lost or gained part of Kashmir since 47?

Then what was the objective of starting the 1965 war if you had the Kashmir that you wanted ?


Kargil was a mess and many articles have been written about it. Go and type this on google: what did Clinton say about Kargil conflict?

I don't have time to go over and argue about things which are easily available on internet.

yes I know what Clinton said and it is not complimentary of Pakistan so why are you flexing by saying "West Pakistan thrashed India in every other war except 1971" in your post# 20 ... when your military has spectacularly failed in every major war?
 
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In last few years Modi has lost two conflicts with Pakistan. In one, their fighter pilot was shown to the world, in the other, Pakistan destroyed the reputation of India globally.


Salute to the armed forces for displaying courage against Indian tyranny.
 
In last few years Modi has lost two conflicts with Pakistan. In one, their fighter pilot was shown to the world, in the other, Pakistan destroyed the reputation of India globally.


Salute to the armed forces for displaying courage against Indian tyranny.

I suppose this news --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J8Xya9brEo hasn't reached you yet ?

How about this ? --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAs3QmRifyw
Or this ? --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abXsMSqeaIA
or this ? --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdqPYLCX7GE
 
yes I know what Clinton said and it is not complimentary of Pakistan so why are you flexing by saying "West Pakistan thrashed India in every other war except 1971" in your post# 20 ... when your military has spectacularly failed in every major war?
Look up the definition of thrashing. They did beat the living daylights out of the Indians - an enemy multiple fold larger than them which should me able to man handle Pakistan forces. Look what Chinese did to your forces and their forces were not whole alot bigger than yours.

In my opinion, a smaller force wins even in case of a stalemate against much larger opponent!
 
In last few years Modi has lost two conflicts with Pakistan. In one, their fighter pilot was shown to the world, in the other, Pakistan destroyed the reputation of India globally.


Salute to the armed forces for displaying courage against Indian tyranny.

Modi also lost a conflict with China. India conceded 38,000 sq km of territory to China.

Ever since Modi came to power, India lost 2 conflicts with Pakistan, 1 conflict with China, and lost multiple regional allies.

:inti

#ChaiwalaIncompetence #DecliningIndia
 
And then they make fun of Pak minister (who no doubt is a dumbo) mentioning social media. Yeah, ignore the world main stream media.

Such as ?

Look up the definition of thrashing. They did beat the living daylights out of the Indians - an enemy multiple fold larger than them which should me able to man handle Pakistan forces. Look what Chinese did to your forces and their forces were not whole alot bigger than yours.

In my opinion, a smaller force wins even in case of a stalemate against much larger opponent!

Explain how scurrying back to save Lahore after starting a War trying to capture Kashmir is considered as a "thrashing" ? What has China got anything to do with Ind-Pak wars ?

They failed in the mission, but they did not lose the war.

thats because your Gernails ran to the world powers to save them after realizing that they had very little ammo left to continue the war... sound familiar ?
 
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When you start a war, you do so with an objective. Operation Gibralter in 65' and Kargil War in 99' were started by Pakistan completely unprovoked, and both failed to achieve their objectives. When you fail to achieve your objective, you lose.​
 
When you start a war, you do so with an objective. Operation Gibralter in 65' and Kargil War in 99' were started by Pakistan completely unprovoked, and both failed to achieve their objectives. When you fail to achieve your objective, you lose.​

But thats not how the avg Pakistani mind processes these things.... you must know by now that they "operate" differently. :ROFLMAO:

So in their mind it works like this:

Pakistan = Indias enemy

Pakistan Army = 1/6 the Indian Army
Indian Army Never initiated a war = India is afraid/coward = Advantage Pakistan
whereas Pakistan started many wars despite being 1/6 = Pakistan is a sher nation
And add to that if India cannot pummel the sh!t out of Pak in any War = Pak definitely won the war.

thats the level of processing abilities that an avg Pakistani possesses ( even the well educated ones ) have.
 
Explain how scurrying back to save Lahore after starting a War trying to capture Kashmir is considered as a "thrashing" ? What has China got anything to do with Ind-Pak wars ?
Yeah...Did Pakistan end up losing Lahore against a huge army? Thrashing is when a small army delivers a fitting blow against a significantly larger army.
Use your head. I am equating army strength when I compared Chinese army strength to Indians.
 
LoL...again.. any source or just Bhakti media tune?

Here you go: https://www.dawn.com/news/155474/nur-khan-reminisces-65-war

Relevant parts to answer your questions:

"Air Marshal Khan demanded that a truth commission formed to find out why we failed in all our military adventure"

"When on the second day of war President Gen Ayub wanted to know how we were faring, Musa informed him that the Army had run out of even ammunition. That was the extent of preparation in the Army. And the information had shocked Gen Ayub so much that it could have triggered his heart ailment, which overtook him a couple of years later."​
 
Look it up kid. Example: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025...dmits-losses-in-recent-conflict-with-pakistan
Do something for yourself instead of living in Del ulu.

Easy there champ no need to get bent out of shape ...

Since when did Aljazeera become a reputed source ?

Anyhow you might want to read your own sources first because in there here

“So we rectified tactics and then went back on the [May] 7th, 8th and 10th in large numbers to hit airbases deep inside Pakistan, penetrated all their air defences with impunity, carried out precision strikes,” he said.

And that is actually supported by numerous Satellite images that show the extent of damage caused ... unlike your "Trust-me-bro" sources

Here are just a few ( Let me know if you need more )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J8Xya9brEo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAs3QmRifyw
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JkD9Texrlr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abXsMSqeaIA --> What was your Air Defense doing when this happened ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdqPYLCX7GE --> What was your Air Defense doing when this happened ?
 
Yeah...Did Pakistan end up losing Lahore against a huge army? Thrashing is when a small army delivers a fitting blow against a significantly larger army.
Use your head. I am equating army strength when I compared Chinese army strength to Indians.

You most certainly would have lost Lahore if not for the ceasefire ... go read what your own retired military people say about 1965.
 
Easy there champ no need to get bent out of shape ...

Since when did Aljazeera become a reputed source ?

Anyhow you might want to read your own sources first because in there here

“So we rectified tactics and then went back on the [May] 7th, 8th and 10th in large numbers to hit airbases deep inside Pakistan, penetrated all their air defences with impunity, carried out precision strikes,” he said.

And that is actually supported by numerous Satellite images that show the extent of damage caused ... unlike your "Trust-me-bro" sources

Here are just a few ( Let me know if you need more )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J8Xya9brEo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAs3QmRifyw
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JkD9Texrlr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abXsMSqeaIA --> What was your Air Defense doing when this happened ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdqPYLCX7GE --> What was your Air Defense doing when this happened ?
LoL...Only Bhakti media is authentic, champ? Anyhow, here is one more: https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/31/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-conflict-jets-intl
That is 2 different MAINSTREAM WORLD MEDIAS...unlike your paid Social media canaries.

Your general first denied losses, and then blurted out, "what is important is why they went down,”...Deny deny deny...ooops...truth slips out.
 
Here you go: https://www.dawn.com/news/155474/nur-khan-reminisces-65-war

Relevant parts to answer your questions:

"Air Marshal Khan demanded that a truth commission formed to find out why we failed in all our military adventure"

"When on the second day of war President Gen Ayub wanted to know how we were faring, Musa informed him that the Army had run out of even ammunition. That was the extent of preparation in the Army. And the information had shocked Gen Ayub so much that it could have triggered his heart ailment, which overtook him a couple of years later."​
Learn to be cohesive. You claimed that our General"s" ran to the WORLD (implying begging to stop warS in the past). What general ran to the WORLD or UNCLE SAM? Prove it from any World media.
 
LoL...Only Bhakti media is authentic, champ? Anyhow, here is one more: https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/31/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-conflict-jets-intl
That is 2 different MAINSTREAM WORLD MEDIAS...unlike your paid Social media canaries.

Your general first denied losses, and then blurted out, "what is important is why they went down,”...Deny deny deny...ooops...truth slips out.

Which Indian General denied losses ? And what is the conclusion from those cnn + AJ articles ... You claiming you guys won the war because you took down a few jets ... this is your conclusion ?

And I see you expertly ducked the links I posted ?
 
Learn to be cohesive. You claimed that our General"s" ran to the WORLD (implying begging to stop warS in the past). What general ran to the WORLD or UNCLE SAM? Prove it from any World media.

The evidence is circumstantial as India has never approached anyone in the past and infact back then the UK and USA were siding with Indian after china threatened India but Ayub Khan even refused help from China given the impending doom at Lahore considering the ammunition situation. That tells you who was desperate for an off-ramp which came in the form of a UN sanction threat.
 
They failed in the mission, but they did not lose the war.

Lets look at this differently .... what would a loss for Pakistan look like from your perspective?

From an Indian perspective it would be loss of Our side of Kashmir. But since we never tried to invade Pakistan how do you determine what is a loss for you ?
 
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