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Could this be the shortest international tour ever to Pakistan?

This is what sources are saying and seems likely for the West Indies T20I squads arrival, matches and departure.

What is the use of such a tour?
 
I think the most important thing is a major team is playing cricket in pakistan. In the future that will be remembered, not so much 96 hours.
 
I think Pakistan has well and truly shown now that cricket can be played safely at least in Lahore and Karachi. They should now look to invite teams for longer tours, perhaps ODI series and other teams should also show more confidence in Pakistan.

It won't be a bad idea to play test matches in the UAE but convince teams to play the LOI leg in Pakistan. Even if it is only Lahore and Karachi as of now.
 
sam_ahm said:
I think Pakistan has well and truly shown now that cricket can be played safely at least in Lahore and Karachi. They should now look to invite teams for longer tours, perhaps ODI series and other teams should also show more confidence in Pakistan.

It won't be a bad idea to play test matches in the UAE but convince teams to play the LOI leg in Pakistan. Even if it is only Lahore and Karachi as of now.
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That's not such a bad idea, some teams might be more willing of that.. test series in UAE and a couple of odis in Pakistan. And that way it is unlikely the touring team will cancel the LOI leg as they would have made a commitment to the whole series.
 
sam_ahm said:
I think Pakistan has well and truly shown now that cricket can be played safely at least in Lahore and Karachi. They should now look to invite teams for longer tours, perhaps ODI series and other teams should also show more confidence in Pakistan.

It won't be a bad idea to play test matches in the UAE but convince teams to play the LOI leg in Pakistan. Even if it is only Lahore and Karachi as of now.
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Do you think it is sustainable to hold cricket series in Pakistan given the fact that they have to lock down the city for a match to take place? Players cant even move out of hotel. And the security arrangements are damn expensive. Problem to citizens, to players and financial problems. Going to be tough.
 
96 isn't a big issue
But
They will come to stadium few hrs before match and will stay in hotel all the time. Also few mins after final match is played they will go straight to Airport and won't even go back to hotel, these things are terrible.
 
UN talkz said:
96 isn't a big issue
But
They will come to stadium few hrs before match and will stay in hotel all the time. Also few mins after final match is played they will go straight to Airport and won't even go back to hotel, these things are terrible.
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I'm not sure how this is going to get resolved. There's always going to be a need for high level security after what happened last time otherwise players won't feel safe.
 
shokz1408 said:
I'm not sure how this is going to get resolved. There's always going to be a need for high level security after what happened last time otherwise players won't feel safe.
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Peshawar Zalmi along with Foriegn contingent stayed in Pakistan for almost a week, when final finished, they left after 4-5 hrs and Andre Fletcher is still in Pakistan as choose to stay in Pak rather than going back and then coming again and so did Chandwick Walton. And Michael Slaters and Daren Ganga also did same.

Islamabad United came two days before final and practiced in NSK a day before final ago, so why can't Windies players train tomorrow when they are arriving today, why they have to visit NSK two hrs before match and leave as soon as presentation ends. This just doesn't make any sense. They are presenting it as if they are Playing in Syria or Afghanistan and conditions are not suited for playing.

World XI also toured last year and they used to train GSL but why aren't they doing same this time around.
 
I think you’re nitpicking here :). WI is going to play 3 T20Is in Pakistan. Nothing is going to change that fact.

None of the big boys will be convinced even if the WI plays a 5 match test series there. That’ll take time. So I think this is a good arrangement. Minimum effort maximum effect.
 
sam_ahm said:
I think Pakistan has well and truly shown now that cricket can be played safely at least in Lahore and Karachi. They should now look to invite teams for longer tours, perhaps ODI series and other teams should also show more confidence in Pakistan.

It won't be a bad idea to play test matches in the UAE but convince teams to play the LOI leg in Pakistan. Even if it is only Lahore and Karachi as of now.
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And how is that happening when even some of West Indies B players are unwilling to play in Pakistan?
 
UN talkz said:
Peshawar Zalmi along with Foriegn contingent stayed in Pakistan for almost a week, when final finished, they left after 4-5 hrs and Andre Fletcher is still in Pakistan as choose to stay in Pak rather than going back and then coming again and so did Chandwick Walton. And Michael Slaters and Daren Ganga also did same.

Islamabad United came two days before final and practiced in NSK a day before final ago, so why can't Windies players train tomorrow when they are arriving today, why they have to visit NSK two hrs before match and leave as soon as presentation ends. This just doesn't make any sense. They are presenting it as if they are Playing in Syria or Afghanistan and conditions are not suited for playing.

World XI also toured last year and they used to train GSL but why aren't they doing same this time around.
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It is true that it's a bit extreme, just coming and leaving instantly. I don't think they've followed the PSL much, they shouldn't be so restricted. The series got reduced to 3 days probably on CWI's request.

That's really good to hear that Fletcher and Walton decided to stay in Pakistan. I think CWI if this tour is successful be more open to stay a little longer next time they visit. So is Michael Slater going to commentate for the Pak v WI series?
 
MenInG said:
Could this be the shortest international tour ever to Pakistan?

This is what sources are saying and seems likely for the West Indies T20I squads arrival, matches and departure.

What is the use of such a tour?
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It is pretty obvious what the use it - West Indies are being used as an example, the same way the PSL was and the world XI, that tours to Pakistan can be safe. We should be supporting such tours fully. Long may it continue.
 
shokz1408 said:
It is true that it's a bit extreme, just coming and leaving instantly. I don't think they've followed the PSL much, they shouldn't be so restricted. The series got reduced to 3 days probably on CWI's request.

That's really good to hear that Fletcher and Walton decided to stay in Pakistan. I think CWI if this tour is successful be more open to stay a little longer next time they visit. So is Michael Slater going to commentate for the Pak v WI series?
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Both Slater and Ganga in Pakistan, so i think they will but as is the case always, no official word from PCB
 
As sad as it is - and as much as it hurts me to say this - I don't envisage international cricket returning to Pakistan on a consistent/normal basis any time soon. Possibly not even in our lifetimes.

Closing entire cities down for a cricket match on a consistent basis is not sustainable.

Promising international players presidential security to come and play cricket on a consistent basis is not logical.

Having to go through 4 hour long security checks and closing the gates 2 hours before the game starts on a consistent basis is not practical.

Worst of all - all it will take is for one idiot blowing him self up somewhere - even if it isn't cricket related - and we will find ourselves back at square one. God forbid, if an incident was to occur in Karachi today, you can pretty much guarantee that the WI tour will be cancelled.

This isn't how sports is played. It's very disappointing and extremely sad to see - however - it is the cold hard truth.
 
Oh please for the love of god stop being so ungrateful and stop complaining. Given what happened in 2009 it is a miracle we have a team willing to come to Pakistan to play cricket, getting the major teams who have no incentive to play cricket in Pakistan when there are more lucrative options available in the IPL will be a major task but one the PCB should not give up at. Stop making fun of the PCB for failing to bring a major international team to Pakistan or just being able to attract third grade past their best foreign players and give some positive suggestions of their own.
 
First of all, it's still good that West Indies are coming for 3 T20Is in Karachi. There's no doubt about that.

But, it's still not great they are making the tour short as possible. Arriving in Pakistan the day before the first match from a different continent, after a lot of flying/stop overs and a massive time difference. 3 matches in 3 days is ridiculous. This tour will be over on Tuesday. The South Africa v Australia match that started today will also be finished on Tuesday. It feels like "Pakistan is so dangerous so let's spend as short time as possible there and hopefully we'll come back alive with a big fat paycheck".

This is still progress though. But hopefully future tours, teams can spend longer in Pakistan to prove it's safe.
 
There will soon need to come a time when teams start touring Pakistan in a normal way or not at all.
 
shokz1408 said:
It is true that it's a bit extreme, just coming and leaving instantly. I don't think they've followed the PSL much, they shouldn't be so restricted. The series got reduced to 3 days probably on CWI's request.

That's really good to hear that Fletcher and Walton decided to stay in Pakistan. I think CWI if this tour is successful be more open to stay a little longer next time they visit. So is Michael Slater going to commentate for the Pak v WI series?
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hadi123 said:
First of all, it's still good that West Indies are coming for 3 T20Is in Karachi. There's no doubt about that.

But, it's still not great they are making the tour short as possible. Arriving in Pakistan the day before the first match from a different continent, after a lot of flying/stop overs and a massive time difference. 3 matches in 3 days is ridiculous. This tour will be over on Tuesday. The South Africa v Australia match that started today will also be finished on Tuesday. It feels like "Pakistan is so dangerous so let's spend as short time as possible there and hopefully we'll come back alive with a big fat paycheck".

This is still progress though. But hopefully future tours, teams can spend longer in Pakistan to prove it's safe.
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The series was reduced to 3 days after the Karachi government requested so. It was originally supposed to be over 4 days.
 
Also, why look at it as the shortest international tour ever.

Is it not the longest international tour by a major side since the attacks on the Sri Lanka team?
 
shane said:
There will soon need to come a time when teams start touring Pakistan in a normal way or not at all.
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Sadly I can't see it happening soon.

At the moment, PCB is just grabbing what they can and having to pay a lot of money to Boards to come to Pakistan, which cannot go on for too long.
 
It's cheaper to have that massive security for 3 days compared to 4. Also, based on reports, WI players have reservations about staying longer too. As I said a bunch of times, it's the bloody perception that matters.

I wonder how the perception would change if one observes the following:

Massive security with teams arriving on time for the match and leaving right away. A few first choice players reluctant to travel. PCB paying an additional 25K to show up.

All of these just add to the same narrative that it is extremely difficult to host a game in Pakistan. Unless the perception changes, there is no way for other teams to visit Pak. However the perception doesnt change unless international games are conducted in a safe way in Pakistan. It's a major conundrum.
 
Sounds like the title of a film.

One has to be patient, it'll take time to build confidence in our ability to host series in a safe and secure manner. The security may seem over the top and it is unsustainable to keep shutting down cities like this but I don't want to take any chances.
 
It depends upon the basic question.

IS IT WORTH THE COST AND EFFORT?

I actually can't see it. It's all good for the fans in Pakistan to see some action at home soil but the bigger picture still remains the same. And the tight security will actually print a negative picture rather than a positive one.
 
An utterly negative thread. Pakistan can perfectly sustain these security arrangements and paying players to come to Pakistan. We need to build things up gradually and in steps, this might take years but you have to take the first few steps. The survival and progression of Pakistan Cricket depends on international teams coming to Pakistan, the PSL coming to Pakistan, big names coming to Pakistan and investments being made in domestic cricket.
 
rizwanak said:
Things are moving in the right direction and that's what matters
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The problem is that things are not really "moving" at all. A city comes to a standstill every time any cricket team agrees to visit it. That was OK for a while, but where is it going?
 
Need to host as many games as possible and ensure they are incident free games. Would like to see more ODIs though as the WC is next year. But we should be greatful that we are getting games in Pakistan at least. A few years ago this was a dream.
 
Such negativity something is better than nothing.. Be thankful a big team is coming, enjoy the games and have fun.
 
MenInG said:
Could this be the shortest international tour ever to Pakistan?

This is what sources are saying and seems likely for the West Indies T20I squads arrival, matches and departure.

What is the use of such a tour?
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Karachi after much much hype hosted a PSL Final, and then a week...yes that's a week later they're hosting international cricket, think about it.

and you want to ask us what is the use of such a tour? come on bro.
 
It's a T20 tour. T20s hardly stretch on for weeks. There's usually not much gap between T20s.

Just looks a little weird as teams don't usually tour just for T20s. The series against Sri Lanka was done between 26th-29th including 2 matches in UAE and one match in Lahore.

Even the tour in West Indies was done on a similar time frame. 3 T20s from 30 March-2nd April.

The next step is to convince a team to do an ODI leg in Pakistan. These T20 series while nice, feel a little meaningless on their own.
 
Asch Ali said:
~~ Pakistan Tour of Scot Land 2018 ~~
2 T20Is
48 hours
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Yes, but we will be in UK anyway for the England tests. This Scotland series is just to help out Scotland and give them some games against test nations. Our team aren't flying from Pakistan to Scotland just for 2 T20Is and going back which is what makes it different to this series.
 
shane said:
The problem is that things are not really "moving" at all. A city comes to a standstill every time any cricket team agrees to visit it. That was OK for a while, but where is it going?
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It is worth it. It's a process taking place.
 
MenInG said:
Could this be the shortest international tour ever to Pakistan?

This is what sources are saying and seems likely for the West Indies T20I squads arrival, matches and departure.

What is the use of such a tour?
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are you seriously asking what the use of this tour is??

the point is to bring international cricket back to karachi after 9 years - this is a huge step

who cares if its short - it starts to change the narrative

don't try and compare this with a typical tour when it clearly isn't meant to be that
 
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