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A call to all Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam critics - Who should replace them?

Kroll said:
TBF, T20 wasn't around for the first three and Misbah no matter how many times he would face India would never have the mettle to beat them.
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Sarfraz beating India in a ct final is > Babar and misbah's whole career as a captain.
 
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offstump said:
While it’s a fact that Babar has one win as captain against India in a WC, the other fact which you are omitting is he has never been able to take this knowledge, or in your words “knowing the first thing about beating India in a World Cup” and replicate it. This just shows how poor of a captain and tactician Babar is. He is a good batsman, but an atrocious captain. If he knew how to beat India in a WC, he would be able to do it more than once. The fact that he hasn’t tells us everything we need to know.
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T20 World cup is the least relevant icc tournament, its only purpose is entertainment.

Odi is a more historic format and ct and world cup are both icc events that happen after 4 years and not 2, infact ct 2025 is happening after 8 years.

Sarfraz beating India in a ct final is > Babar and Misbah's career. This win is more historic then even 1992 and 2009, primarily because 2009 and 1992 had once in a generational talent players and every team took Pakistan seriously while before CT 2017 Pakistan were ranked 8 and views as a clown unit, so winning the final and that too by humiliating India the rival nation black and blue was the best feeling for any pakistani fan to date.

It shut up the world who viewed Pakistan as a crap team. Too bad Babar has given back the same view where once again the planet views us as crap, Stark contrast from the 2017 days and 2018 t20 days
 
Mamoon said:
That is still one more than all Pakistani captains in history put together. God bestowed Babar with this honor.
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T20 World cup, some of the names you mentioned like sarfraz, Misbah, Imran, Wasim etc never captained a t20 world cup.

If you're referring to world cup as an icc event, then ct is an icc event and sarfraz beating India in a final > Babar beating India in a random group stage.
 
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I will go the SA way and appoint Shan Masood captain for all 3 formats. These will be my 15 member squad for each format:

Tests
Saim Ayub
Shan Masood (C)
Saud Shakeel
Babar Azam
Muhammad Rizwan (W/K)
Salman Ali Agha
Kamran Ghulam
Abdullah Shafique
Aamir Jamal
Shaheen Afridi
Muhammad Abbas
Muhammad Ali
Muhammad Abrar
Usama Mir
Naseem Shah

ODIs
Siam Ayub
Shan Masood (C)
Irfan Khan Niazi
Tayyab Tahir
Babar Azam
Muhammad Rizwan (W/K)
Salman Ali Agha
Kamran Ghulam
Abdullah Shafique
Aamir Jamal
Shaheen Afridi
Muhammad Abrar
Usama Mir
Naseem Shah
Muhammad Haris (W/K)

T20s
Shan Masood (C)
Irfan Khan Niazi
Tayyab Tahir
Haseebullah (W/K)
Muhammad Rizwan (W/K)
Muhammad Haris (W/K)
Salman Ali Agha
Sahibzada Farhan
Aamir Jamal
Shaheen Afridi
Muhammad Abrar
Usama Mir
Naseem Shah
Abbas Afridi
Muhammad Ali
 
Mamoon said:
It is a fact that Babar Azam is the ONLY Pakistani captain in history to give Pakistani fans happiness and joy after a World Cup match vs India.

Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Malik, Afridi, Hafeez, Misbah, Sarfaraz. These captain don’t know anything about beating India in a World Cup.
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Agree and just because of that one victory against India, Babar should be included in ICC Hall of Fame and get lifetime achievement award. Babar's fans wants to build his legacy based on one match victory.

Babar has not achieved even 5% of what Imran, Wasim & Waqar and some others have achieved in their career. Pakistan won World Cup and many important test matches / series at that time
 
Babar actually has been trying and can score quickly.


Babar will eventually get it.

Rizwan is the one struggling, but no other wicket keeper is good enough to replace him.

Don't say M. Haris because the guy can't even score more than 10 runs and is no different to your Iftikhar's, Azam's etc.
 
means worst are the best for team Pakistan! lol

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RizBar are the Pillars of Pakistan team , though majority of fans think otherwise since next T20 WC is 2 years away therefore change in opening should be done to check whether it is a myth or RizBar are holding this team back.

No.3 is ideal for Babar and no. 5 is suitable for Rizwan although if Pakistan can unearth a couple of magic allrounders like Maxwell or Stokes then Rizwan may be pushed to No.7/8 or dropped for a player with intent like AzamKhan
 
cricketmerijaan said:
A call to all those of who were dropped as babies, who believe that Rizwan and Babar are stat padders, play for themselves, should be axed from the Pakistan team etc, can we please have names of who should replace these guys?

I don't want to hear the PCB needs to be disbanded, our boys need to play more franchise cricket etc. Rizwan and Babar don't have control of which players are coming through the system, or which players don't do well in the PSL. Nor do they have an impact on which Pakistani players play in foreign leagues.

The floor is all yours!
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Kamran ghulam remember the name
 
Rana said:
Replace Rizwan with that 19 year old kid from Rawal Pindi. Inject new blood. Move on.

No one, NO ONE is irreplaceable!
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This is literally Ben Stokes motto and look, they have been winning a lot more post Root. Not even Anderson got the red carpet treatment which people want to give to Shaheen, Naseem and Babar.
 
shaz619 said:
This is literally Ben Stokes motto and look, they have been winning a lot more post Root. Not even Anderson got the red carpet treatment which people want to give to Shaheen, Naseem and Babar.
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Bro apne have severe ego issues. It’s a reason why the subcontinent and particularly Pakistan is 100 years behind the world that is advancing at a rapid pace
 
shaz619 said:
This is literally Ben Stokes motto and look, they have been winning a lot more post Root. Not even Anderson got the red carpet treatment which people want to give to Shaheen, Naseem and Babar.
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Absolutely. Bowlers like Mitchell Johnson, Broad & Anderson, Morne Morkel and many others came and quietly left but our fans still wants to continue with failures like Shaheen, Naseem, Haris who can't even bowl 4 good overs
 
Rana said:
Bro apne have severe ego issues. It’s a reason why the subcontinent and particularly Pakistan is 100 years behind the world that is advancing at a rapid pace
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Even now they can not admit they dropped these players. And the whole narrative is how these players have been disrespected. Its not their Abbus team. There is no shame in being dropped.
 
No one can replace Babar right now. Because he is the best and most complete batter in Pakistan right now. Even if Pakistan magically find someone good it will take years for him to reach that level.

Pakistan fans are as fickle as they come. When Babar was scoring runs in every format, he was part of the Fab 5...one of the greatest batters in the world...King Babar and whatnot. Now everyone wants him to be deported out of the country. But I guess that's fair weather Pak fans for you.

Babar will be back because you can't keep a batter of his caliber and natural ability down for long. What surprises me most about Pakistan fans though is their delusion in thinking that we can replace Babar or just find another batter who is as good. It's almost as if they have been watching cricket for the decade with their eyes closed and are completely unaware of the absolute dearth of batting talent in this country.

But anyways, Babar will be back and the usual suspects will go back to praying for his downfall.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
No one can replace Babar right now. Because he is the best and most complete batter in Pakistan right now. Even if Pakistan magically find someone good it will take years for him to reach that level.

Pakistan fans are as fickle as they come. When Babar was scoring runs in every format, he was part of the Fab 5...one of the greatest batters in the world...King Babar and whatnot. Now everyone wants him to be deported out of the country. But I guess that's fair weather Pak fans for you.

Babar will be back because you can't keep a batter of his caliber and natural ability down for long. What surprises me most about Pakistan fans though is their delusion in thinking that we can replace Babar or just find another batter who is as good. It's almost as if they have been watching cricket for the decade with their eyes closed and are completely unaware of the absolute dearth of batting talent in this country.

But anyways, Babar will be back and the usual suspects will go back to praying for his downfall.
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Previous series you were telling me they sent the best possible 11 because the rest don't play red ball and when that 11 gets butchered and this new 11 wins, now it's babar is high caliber.

Babar doesn't even play 4 day fc red ball and it clearly shows, heck a local tournament is coming up and he's running off to dubai, and yet you're the same guy who told me you can't have a player like husnain in test cause he hasn't played fc in 2 years, But for Babar who hasn't played it in over 4 years now, the criteria for him is different?

No one ran away with Bobby, He averaged 20 for the past 2 years, He deserved a boot, Plain and simple.
 
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Rana said:
Replace Rizwan with that 19 year old kid from Rawal Pindi. Inject new blood. Move on.

No one, NO ONE is irreplaceable!
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Hell select any kid from the streets of Karachi.

Guarantee they will be 10 times the batsmen Rizwan is
 
mominsaigol said:
Previous series you were telling me they sent the best possible 11 because the rest don't play red ball and when that 11 gets butchered and this new 11 wins, now it's babar is high caliber.

Babar doesn't even play 4 day fc red ball and it clearly shows, heck a local tournament is coming up and he's running off to dubai, and yet you're the same guy who told me you can't have a player like husnain in test cause he hasn't played fc in 2 years, But for Babar who hasn't played it in over 4 years now, the criteria for him is different?

No one ran away with Bobby, He averaged 20 for the past 2 years, He deserved a boot, Plain and simple.
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Every time you talk all you do is expose yourself. Test cricket and domestic FC cricket are both FC cricket. Just as ODI cricket and domestic List A are both List A cricket. The runs a player scores in domestic FC and test cricket; both count in his FC record. The runs a player scores in List A and ODI cricket; both count towards his List A record.

International players, especially those that play multiple formats for their country generally don't play domestic FC cricket. Remind me again, when was the last time that Kohli turned up for Delhi in the Ranji Trophy? If a player is regularly playing test cricket and representing his country in other formats there is no logical reason for him to be playing QeA Trophy cricket too. Unless ofcourse there is alot of free time or gap between international commitments.

And since you're clearly too much of a genius to remember this, the 2023 ICC Cricket World Cup was going on during the last QeA Trophy season.
 
"No one can replace Babar right now. Because he is the best and most complete batter in Pakistan right now."

First listen to yourself before making fun of what others think. Pakistan's most complete batter has serious issues against spin and has next to none power game even though he eats up the powerplay for himself.
 
Rana said:
"No one can replace Babar right now. Because he is the best and most complete batter in Pakistan right now."

First listen to yourself before making fun of what others think. Pakistan's most complete batter has serious issues against spin and has next to none power game even though he eats up the powerplay for himself.
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T20 cricket is not really cricket. And even for T20 standards he done quite well for himself, especially if you compare his T20 record to that of players like Kane Williamson, Joe Root, Steve Smith who have similar roles as the main all-format batters for their countries. He undoubtedly has issues against left-arm spin but there is no reason why he can't rectify them. Just because a player goes through a rough patch doesn't mean his career is over. And sooner than later, Babar will be back to his best.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
T20 cricket is not really cricket. And even for T20 standards he done quite well for himself, especially if you compare his T20 record to that of players like Kane Williamson, Joe Root, Steve Smith who have similar roles as the main all-format batters for their countries.
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You are comparing an opener (a guy who bats in the same position as Warner, Roy, Gayle, Sharma, Guptil, Munro etc.) with guys who bat at number 3, and saying Babar is playing the same roles as those guys who do a job for their nations in the most difficult batting position.
 
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Rana said:
Again, more proof you have zero understanding of cricket in general. You are comparing an opener (a guy who bats in the same position as Warner, Roy, Gayle, Sharma, Guptil, Munro etc.) with guys who bat at number 3, and saying Babar is playing the same roles as those guys who do a job for their nations in the most difficult batting position.

Learn cricket first and then make fun of others.
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LMAO. Yeah I'm sure all these guys would be averaging 50+ if they opened the batting. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are mediocre T20 players.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
T20 cricket is not really cricket. And even for T20 standards he done quite well for himself, especially if you compare his T20 record to that of players like Kane Williamson, Joe Root, Steve Smith who have similar roles as the main all-format batters for their countries. He undoubtedly has issues against left-arm spin but there is no reason why he can't rectify them. Just because a player goes through a rough patch doesn't mean his career is over. And sooner than later, Babar will be back to his best.
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T20 cricket is not really cricket?

Then why do they call it T20 Cricket?

For giggles? Its a different format, And Root, Smith, Williamson are not t20 players, infact their test specialists,

Babar hasn't been specialising in anything for the past 2 years. Zero formats.

T20 is a different format, you can be good in one like SKY but terrible in another.
 
After Rizwan good keeping in the second test, more bad news will follow posters who are dreaming of his disappearance and those who even admit they hate him, he will be named as white ball captain. 😎
 
About time Rizwan gets the respect that he deserves. He is better than Dhoni in two of three formats. He is one of the best all format WK batsman in the world right now and a million times better than his so called competitors in Pakistan.

Pakistan’s WK situation would have been a total mess right now if Rizwan didn’t exist. A washed up, expired Sarfraz and T10 sloggers like Haris and Azam would have been vying for a spot.

Rizwan is the best cricketer in Pakistan in this era simply because the cupboard is completely empty without him. He is the only player who is completely irreplaceable.
 
Haha so now rizwan is better than dhoni ..only you can see this gem of line from delusion pakistan posters.
 
Devadwal said:
Haha so now rizwan is better than dhoni ..only you can see this gem of line from delusion pakistan posters.
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Dhoni was a bang average Test and T20I player. In T20Is, he had the same SR as Rizwan and scored less than half the runs Rizwan does.

He was good in ODIs with the finisher gimmick but he was taking advantage of a strong batting lineup. Playing the finisher role when you are batting below Tendulkar, Sehwag, Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Gambhir and Yuvraj is not difficult.

We would have seen how much of a finisher he was if he was playing for a weaker team. He batted over 500+ times for India but even his ardent “Thala” fans can’t recall more than 10 innings of note where he actually played impactful knocks and they can all recall a similar number of innings where he actually lost matches for India.

He is the biggest scam in Indian cricket history. India have produced much better players than him who have received far less recognition.

He is a pure PR product and that is further illustrated by his laughable biopic where a fake storyline of him meeting his love interest on a plane before his maiden century who then died in a car accident was created to garner sympathy.

Pant only took two years to show how overrated Dhoni was. I would definitely take Rizwan over him in Test and T20Is.

Sangakkara, QDK, Buttler, Pant and Rizwan are all better than Dhoni.
 
Pakistan WK options if you remove Rizwan.

1. Washed up, expired Sarfraz

2. T10 hacks like Haris and Azam

3. Some 34 year old Bismillah Khan who averages less than 30 in domestic cricket

🤡🤡🤡

Only decent option is Haseebullah who has good potential with the bat but he is to raw right now to replace Rizwan. However, he can definitely be the best all format long term WK in a few years.

Therefore, you have to be a complete fool to suggest that Pakistan cricket is ready to move on from Rizwan.
 
Mamoon said:
Dhoni was a bang average Test and T20I player. In T20Is, he had the same SR as Rizwan and scored less than half the runs Rizwan does.

He was good in ODIs with the finisher gimmick but he was taking advantage of a strong batting lineup. Playing the finisher role when you are batting below Tendulkar, Sehwag, Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Gambhir and Yuvraj is not difficult.

We would have seen how much of a finisher he was if he was playing for a weaker team. He batted over 500+ times for India but even his ardent “Thala” fans can’t recall more than 10 innings of note where he actually played impactful knocks and they can all recall a similar number of innings where he actually lost matches for India.

He is the biggest scam in Indian cricket history. India have produced much better players than him who have received far less recognition.

He is a pure PR product and that is further illustrated by his laughable biopic where a fake storyline of him meeting his love interest on a plane before his maiden century who then died in a car accident was created to garner sympathy.

Pant only took two years to show how overrated Dhoni was. I would definitely take Rizwan over him in Test and T20Is.

Sangakkara, QDK, Buttler, Pant and Rizwan are all better than Dhoni.
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Although Dhoni was not a good test batter but his knock of 224 runs against Australia was better than whole Rizwan test career He achieved this during a crucial moment when India were trailing by 380 runs and were at 196/4.
 
Devadwal said:
Although Dhoni was not a good test batter but his knock of 224 runs against Australia was better than whole Rizwan test career He achieved this during a crucial moment when India were trailing by 380 runs and were at 196/4.
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144 Test innings and all his apologists can talk about is one 200 and perhaps a couple of more innings. That is it.

The funniest thing about Dhoni is that in spite of playing 500+ innings for India, even his most passionate fans have completely forgotten 99% of his innings which proves the point that he was extremely overrated as an individual contributor and added nothing to the team as a player.
 
T20: Omair for Babar, fakhar for Rizwan, Haris can bat at 7 or no 3 or whatever position.

Odi: Only saud Shakeel for Rizwan. Babar is fine In odi.

Tests: Kamran Ghulam for Babar, Rizwan can stay in tests I don't mind.
 
There is no need to replace them.

In Rizwan you have a unique and special player who can anchor a 35(50) kind of knock under extreme pressure and can later on unleash the beast mode to get to 65(60) eventually to win matches for Pakistan.

In Babar Azam, you have one of the most gifted cover drive and pull shot makers ever. Someone who can take the attack to anyone especially to top quality attacks.

Like I said in another thread, these are not league level players who score 100(50) against mediocre bowlers but these are batters who can win World Cup semi finals and World Cup finals.
 
No replacement for these two so far

So they should continue to play in all 3 formats
 
On a serious note ...these are my replacements.

Usman Khan
Azam Khan
Haider Ali
Khushdil Shah
Iftikhar Ahmed
Asif Ali
Shadab Khan
Naseem
Afridi
Haris
Abrar or Moqim
 
Riz should not be opening for Pakistan and I made this pretty clear previously. But to drop one of our best players completely and replace with some lallu panju wicket keeper is not the solution.
 
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I find it laughable that so many Pakistani fans are criticizing Rizwan after yesterday's match.
The man scored more runs than all the other chaps in his team put together, including the much vaunted Babar Azam.
 
Saim could easily step in for Babar and open with Fakhar. Plus, there’s Tayab Tahir and Omair Yousaf as options too.

As for Rizwan, Usman Khan or Haseebullah could easily take his spot.
 
gani999 said:
I find it laughable that so many Pakistani fans are criticizing Rizwan after yesterday's match.
The man scored more runs than all the other chaps in his team put together, including the much vaunted Babar Azam.
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It seems like you're one of those who don't watch a single ball bowled, wake up the next morning, look at the scorecard, and start hyping up whoever scored the most runs.

You can’t just judge a player’s impact by the scorecard alone.
 
gazza619 said:
Riz should not be opening for Pakistan and I made this pretty clear previously. But to drop one of our best players completely and replace with some lallu panju wicket keeper is not the solution.
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One day he's playing as a batsman, the next day as a wicketkeeper, and then another day as captain. So when will we see him play the complete package? captain, wicketkeeper, and batsman all at once?
 
gani999 said:
I find it laughable that so many Pakistani fans are criticizing Rizwan after yesterday's match.
The man scored more runs than all the other chaps in his team put together, including the much vaunted Babar Azam.
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You are missing the point if you are finding it laughable. When you are chasing 180-90 runs, SR for team has to be 150 plus. If one batsman decides to score more runs than others with SR of 100 then game will be lost by that specific batsman deciding to do so when chasing big targets.

Rizwan played les than 100 SR till 16th or 17th over. Scoring more than others with less than 100 SR is far worse than scoring zero and getting out in 2-3 balls. Getting out in 2-3 balls does not kill the chance for your team, but soring at 100 SR when chasing 180-190 runs for too long will kill the chance for your team. You can't expect others to play at 200 SR and make up.
 
Ancor player opening the innings in T20 doesn't go well. Rizwan should bat at 5
 
emranabbas said:
One day he's playing as a batsman, the next day as a wicketkeeper, and then another day as captain. So when will we see him play the complete package? captain, wicketkeeper, and batsman all at once?
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Its like talking to the wall with you lot. I am not trying to defend Riz’s batting approach in the last game here. In my view he needs to let go of the opening slot in T20s and number 4 slot in ODIs.

But if you tell me we should drop him completely in white ball and play some third class wicketkeeper, then I will attack you with the North.
 
gazza619 said:
Its like talking to the wall with you lot. I am not trying to defend Riz’s batting approach in the last game here. In my view he needs to let go of the opening slot in T20s and number 4 slot in ODIs.

But if you tell me we should drop him completely in white ball and play some third class wicketkeeper, then I will attack you with the North.
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You people are walls lol.

First off your suggestion about Rizwan letting go of opening in t20 and no 4 in odi is bonkers because that won't ever happen. You should know your selfish captain by now.

Secondly, it saw your comment earlier about rizzu batting at 4 in t20? He avg 17 and 20 at 4 and 5 with sr of 84 and 104? He was so bad at no 4 in the tri series that they had no choice but to kick him out. All the whining about sarfi, yet sarfi was avg 32 with a sr of 145 in 2018 at no 5 lol. I watched that series in this entirety. Rizwan is comedy gold at the lower order in t20.

If he wasn't they'd have never shoved him into opening since he'd have made the middle order his own lol.

You only have a solid case for odi, in t20 you have no foothold.

You don't need a specialist wicket keeper batter in t20. You can replace him for a hack and slash player like haris and have haris bat at no 7 where he can blindly slog for like 2 to 3 overs and replace Rizzu for Fakhar at opening.

And it's a good thing I posted stats since frauds don't remember that 2018 fakhar at opening avg 33 with a sr of 149 in t20, Travis avg 33 with 160 sr.

Frauds be quoting stats on me yet don't realise that fakhar's stats in t20 actually went down after a while 🤣. It took 2 innings for those no 4 stats to drop like flies.
 
mominsaigol said:
You people are walls lol.

First off your suggestion about Rizwan letting go of opening in t20 and no 4 in odi is bonkers because that won't ever happen. You should know your selfish captain by now.

Secondly, it saw your comment earlier about rizzu batting at 4 in t20? He avg 17 and 20 at 4 and 5 with sr of 84 and 104? He was so bad at no 4 in the tri series that they had no choice but to kick him out. All the whining about sarfi, yet sarfi was avg 32 with a sr of 145 in 2018 at no 5 lol. I watched that series in this entirety. Rizwan is comedy gold at the lower order in t20.

If he wasn't they'd have never shoved him into opening since he'd have made the middle order his own lol.

You only have a solid case for odi, in t20 you have no foothold.

You don't need a specialist wicket keeper batter in t20. You can replace him for a hack and slash player like haris and have haris bat at no 7 where he can blindly slog for like 2 to 3 overs and replace Rizzu for Fakhar at opening.

And it's a good thing I posted stats since frauds don't remember that 2018 fakhar at opening avg 33 with a sr of 149 in t20, Travis avg 33 with 160 sr.

Frauds be quoting stats on me yet don't realise that fakhar's stats in t20 actually went down after a while 🤣. It took 2 innings for those no 4 stats to drop like flies.
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Haris is struggling to perform even against the A teams. He has been so bad that he couldn’t even make to the central contracts.

Just because Haris scored a 11 ball 28 once in his lifetime, it doesn’t make him qualify. He needs to prove himself on competitive platforms first.
 
gazza619 said:
Haris is struggling to perform even against the A teams. He has been so bad that he couldn’t even make to the central contracts.

Just because Haris scored a 11 ball 28 once in his lifetime, it doesn’t make him qualify. He needs to prove himself on competitive platforms first.
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Why do you need to prove yourself for a no 7 position where you need to hack and Walsh for 2 overs 🤣🤣
 
The question is why these 2 are allowed by management to open in T20s indefinitely without any accountability. Is there no body in PCB's management to question this kind of exploitation of seniority and authority by these two? They won few matches but at the same time the team has lost numerous matches because of their selfish approach. Leave aside opening spot, they both doesn't deserve a place in T20s. I think their T20 career will end like Misbah.
 
mominsaigol said:
Why do you think the team will be at 50/5? Because rizwan and Babar are opening
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I am confused here. If you are proposing to play Haris over Rizwan then obviously Rizwan won’t be opening.

Hoping someone would blindly hack for 2 overs and be useful to the team’s cause is wishful thinking.
 
gazza619 said:
I am confused here. If you are proposing to play Haris over Rizwan then obviously Rizwan won’t be opening.

Hoping someone would blindly hack for 2 overs and be useful to the team’s cause is wishful thinking.
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Pakistan have had players like asif ali who were fantastic in the last 2 overs. I fact 2 icc games were won by Pakistan thanks to asof coming in.

Pakistan would have been in a much stronger position of asif didn't have to just come in situations were 25 of 12 was always required due to the 2 crap openers.
 
mominsaigol said:
Pakistan have had players like asif ali who were fantastic in the last 2 overs. I fact 2 icc games were won by Pakistan thanks to asof coming in.

Pakistan would have been in a much stronger position of asif didn't have to just come in situations were 25 of 12 was always required due to the 2 crap openers.
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find me a De Kock or a Pant or a Buttler, and I will join you in this Anti Riz March.

What I will not want is to replace our Riz with a garbage player.
 
gazza619 said:
find me a De Kock or a Pant or a Buttler, and I will join you in this Anti Riz March.

What I will not want is to replace our Riz with a garbage player.
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OMG now ik why @Rana Erupts on you people 24/7. I'd be richer then Elon musk if I recieved 10,000 dollars every time I heard some one say the exact same thing over and over.

Do you have any idea how irritating this is? Or how many times someone has said just find me a pant? Smh
 
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gazza619 said:
find me a De Kock or a Pant or a Buttler, and I will join you in this Anti Riz March.

What I will not want is to replace our Riz with a garbage player.
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Why mention those names, Pakistan have Fakhar Zaman if you really want to stay on that subject
 
shaz619 said:
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Why mention those names, Pakistan have Fakhar Zaman if you really want to stay on that subject
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The truth is You just need to replace him with a proper t20 opener and that's it.

Bring a wicket keeper like haris and play him at no 7 and he'll hack and slash.

That's the solution.

Rizwan and Babar are not t20 players. Babar was lucky that In 2018 every player besides him batted at a sr of 130 to 150 hence he got away with his 126 SR in t20.

In this era we literally don't even have a single batter able to strike > 130 in the team besides saim and omair.
 
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Kianig89 said:
Fakhar Zaman avg 23 SR 133

Babar Azam avg 40 SR 129

QDK avg. 31 SR 138

Buttler avg 36 SR 147


Some contextual relevance
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What’s your argument? Babar is better than QDQ, Butler and Fakhar?
 
Kianig89 said:
My argument is QDK Buttler > all Pak t20 batsmen
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I honestly think you are confused

Put those 4 players in order of who you think is the best and the worst. We know how shifty you guys are
 
One thing i don't understand is that why hasn't pakistan produced a single batter besides saim ayub, saud shakeel and fakhar who can play modern day strokes?

Some examples of modern day strokes are

1) Using your feet to come down the wicket against pacers and spinners and smack it straight for a 6 or 4.

2) Playing paddle scoops against pacers and spinners for extra runs

3) Lofted Drives to clear the inner ring. Most batters do this especially during the PP

4) lofted Pull shots

5) Late cut against pacers for a boundary (Joe root is the king of this)

Infact many batters of the past like malik and hafeez use to love using ttheir feet against spinners. Even the biggest enemy of 90% of posters on this forumn, Sarfaraz Ahmed use to come down the wicket and sweep ahainat pacers.

Why don't any of pakistan's batters besides saud, Saim Ayub and fakhar possess some of these abilities?

They can't play guides over keeper head shots against short balls and bouncers for easy boundaries, They can't come down the wicket and hit a straight boundary, they can't play any lofted pull shots or Lofted drives, infact they don't even know how to loft?

Their dozens of batters that play ridiculously quickly but hardly ever try to overhit Butler and Warner were key examples? Heck steve smith in his prime struck multiple 62 to 70 ball hundreds ahainat the likes of Bumrah by just playing intelligent cricket?

Why don't any of our batters especially babar and rizwan possess this basic ability to pierce gaps? Sky who people call a hack knows how to do it?
 
shaz619 said:
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Why mention those names, Pakistan have Fakhar Zaman if you really want to stay on that subject
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Shabaash. Replacing a wicketkeeper with a non wicketkeeper.

Do you even know what the argument is here? I am saying this for the millionth time that Riz should not be opening in T20s.

Your brigade want to drop Riz and play garbage like Usman/Haris/Haseebullah.
 
Rana said:
I honestly think you are confused

Put those 4 players in order of who you think is the best and the worst. We know how shifty you guys are
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Im not confused but your cohorts caught in their argument

Buttler QDK > All Pak t20 batsmen

i hope you understand now
 
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