A call to all Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam critics - Who should replace them?

[mominsaigol]

TBF, T20 wasn't around for the first three and Misbah no matter how many times he would face India would never have the mettle to beat them.

Sarfraz beating India in a ct final is > Babar and misbah's whole career as a captain.

 

[mominsaigol]

While it’s a fact that Babar has one win as captain against India in a WC, the other fact which you are omitting is he has never been able to take this knowledge, or in your words “knowing the first thing about beating India in a World Cup” and replicate it. This just shows how poor of a captain and tactician Babar is. He is a good batsman, but an atrocious captain. If he knew how to beat India in a WC, he would be able to do it more than once. The fact that he hasn’t tells us everything we need to know.

T20 World cup is the least relevant icc tournament, its only purpose is entertainment.

Odi is a more historic format and ct and world cup are both icc events that happen after 4 years and not 2, infact ct 2025 is happening after 8 years.

Sarfraz beating India in a ct final is > Babar and Misbah's career. This win is more historic then even 1992 and 2009, primarily because 2009 and 1992 had once in a generational talent players and every team took Pakistan seriously while before CT 2017 Pakistan were ranked 8 and views as a clown unit, so winning the final and that too by humiliating India the rival nation black and blue was the best feeling for any pakistani fan to date.

It shut up the world who viewed Pakistan as a crap team. Too bad Babar has given back the same view where once again the planet views us as crap, Stark contrast from the 2017 days and 2018 t20 days

 

[mominsaigol]

That is still one more than all Pakistani captains in history put together. God bestowed Babar with this honor.

T20 World cup, some of the names you mentioned like sarfraz, Misbah, Imran, Wasim etc never captained a t20 world cup.

If you're referring to world cup as an icc event, then ct is an icc event and sarfraz beating India in a final > Babar beating India in a random group stage.

 

[shlazz]

I will go the SA way and appoint Shan Masood captain for all 3 formats. These will be my 15 member squad for each format:

Tests
Saim Ayub
Shan Masood (C)
Saud Shakeel
Babar Azam
Muhammad Rizwan (W/K)
Salman Ali Agha
Kamran Ghulam
Abdullah Shafique
Aamir Jamal
Shaheen Afridi
Muhammad Abbas
Muhammad Ali
Muhammad Abrar
Usama Mir
Naseem Shah

ODIs
Siam Ayub
Shan Masood (C)
Irfan Khan Niazi
Tayyab Tahir
Babar Azam
Muhammad Rizwan (W/K)
Salman Ali Agha
Kamran Ghulam
Abdullah Shafique
Aamir Jamal
Shaheen Afridi
Muhammad Abrar
Usama Mir
Naseem Shah
Muhammad Haris (W/K)

T20s
Shan Masood (C)
Irfan Khan Niazi
Tayyab Tahir
Haseebullah (W/K)
Muhammad Rizwan (W/K)
Muhammad Haris (W/K)
Salman Ali Agha
Sahibzada Farhan
Aamir Jamal
Shaheen Afridi
Muhammad Abrar
Usama Mir
Naseem Shah
Abbas Afridi
Muhammad Ali

 

[zaidihusain]

It is a fact that Babar Azam is the ONLY Pakistani captain in history to give Pakistani fans happiness and joy after a World Cup match vs India.

Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Malik, Afridi, Hafeez, Misbah, Sarfaraz. These captain don’t know anything about beating India in a World Cup.

Agree and just because of that one victory against India, Babar should be included in ICC Hall of Fame and get lifetime achievement award. Babar's fans wants to build his legacy based on one match victory.

Babar has not achieved even 5% of what Imran, Wasim & Waqar and some others have achieved in their career. Pakistan won World Cup and many important test matches / series at that time

 

[Cricket Warrior]

after a long time i saw him hitting a six lol

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[mominsaigol]

after a long time i saw him hitting a six lol

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He smacked Nepal as well last year.

It's just against these teams

 

[Barragan]

Babar actually has been trying and can score quickly.


Babar will eventually get it.

Rizwan is the one struggling, but no other wicket keeper is good enough to replace him.

Don't say M. Haris because the guy can't even score more than 10 runs and is no different to your Iftikhar's, Azam's etc.

 

[Suleiman.56]

 

[Cricket Warrior]

means worst are the best for team Pakistan! lol

 

[Kianig89]

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RizBar are the Pillars of Pakistan team , though majority of fans think otherwise since next T20 WC is 2 years away therefore change in opening should be done to check whether it is a myth or RizBar are holding this team back.

No.3 is ideal for Babar and no. 5 is suitable for Rizwan although if Pakistan can unearth a couple of magic allrounders like Maxwell or Stokes then Rizwan may be pushed to No.7/8 or dropped for a player with intent like AzamKhan

 

[emranabbas]

A call to all those of who were dropped as babies, who believe that Rizwan and Babar are stat padders, play for themselves, should be axed from the Pakistan team etc, can we please have names of who should replace these guys?

I don't want to hear the PCB needs to be disbanded, our boys need to play more franchise cricket etc. Rizwan and Babar don't have control of which players are coming through the system, or which players don't do well in the PSL. Nor do they have an impact on which Pakistani players play in foreign leagues.

The floor is all yours!

Kamran ghulam remember the name

 

[Rana]

Replace Rizwan with that 19 year old kid from Rawal Pindi. Inject new blood. Move on.

No one, NO ONE is irreplaceable!

 

[shaz619]

Replace Rizwan with that 19 year old kid from Rawal Pindi. Inject new blood. Move on.

No one, NO ONE is irreplaceable!

This is literally Ben Stokes motto and look, they have been winning a lot more post Root. Not even Anderson got the red carpet treatment which people want to give to Shaheen, Naseem and Babar.

 

[Rana]

This is literally Ben Stokes motto and look, they have been winning a lot more post Root. Not even Anderson got the red carpet treatment which people want to give to Shaheen, Naseem and Babar.

Bro apne have severe ego issues. It’s a reason why the subcontinent and particularly Pakistan is 100 years behind the world that is advancing at a rapid pace

 

[zaidihusain]

This is literally Ben Stokes motto and look, they have been winning a lot more post Root. Not even Anderson got the red carpet treatment which people want to give to Shaheen, Naseem and Babar.

Absolutely. Bowlers like Mitchell Johnson, Broad & Anderson, Morne Morkel and many others came and quietly left but our fans still wants to continue with failures like Shaheen, Naseem, Haris who can't even bowl 4 good overs

 

[zarak]

Bro apne have severe ego issues. It’s a reason why the subcontinent and particularly Pakistan is 100 years behind the world that is advancing at a rapid pace

Even now they can not admit they dropped these players. And the whole narrative is how these players have been disrespected. Its not their Abbus team. There is no shame in being dropped.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

No one can replace Babar right now. Because he is the best and most complete batter in Pakistan right now. Even if Pakistan magically find someone good it will take years for him to reach that level.

Pakistan fans are as fickle as they come. When Babar was scoring runs in every format, he was part of the Fab 5...one of the greatest batters in the world...King Babar and whatnot. Now everyone wants him to be deported out of the country. But I guess that's fair weather Pak fans for you.

Babar will be back because you can't keep a batter of his caliber and natural ability down for long. What surprises me most about Pakistan fans though is their delusion in thinking that we can replace Babar or just find another batter who is as good. It's almost as if they have been watching cricket for the decade with their eyes closed and are completely unaware of the absolute dearth of batting talent in this country.

But anyways, Babar will be back and the usual suspects will go back to praying for his downfall.

 

[mominsaigol]

No one can replace Babar right now. Because he is the best and most complete batter in Pakistan right now. Even if Pakistan magically find someone good it will take years for him to reach that level.

Pakistan fans are as fickle as they come. When Babar was scoring runs in every format, he was part of the Fab 5...one of the greatest batters in the world...King Babar and whatnot. Now everyone wants him to be deported out of the country. But I guess that's fair weather Pak fans for you.

Babar will be back because you can't keep a batter of his caliber and natural ability down for long. What surprises me most about Pakistan fans though is their delusion in thinking that we can replace Babar or just find another batter who is as good. It's almost as if they have been watching cricket for the decade with their eyes closed and are completely unaware of the absolute dearth of batting talent in this country.

But anyways, Babar will be back and the usual suspects will go back to praying for his downfall.

Previous series you were telling me they sent the best possible 11 because the rest don't play red ball and when that 11 gets butchered and this new 11 wins, now it's babar is high caliber.

Babar doesn't even play 4 day fc red ball and it clearly shows, heck a local tournament is coming up and he's running off to dubai, and yet you're the same guy who told me you can't have a player like husnain in test cause he hasn't played fc in 2 years, But for Babar who hasn't played it in over 4 years now, the criteria for him is different?

No one ran away with Bobby, He averaged 20 for the past 2 years, He deserved a boot, Plain and simple.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Replace Rizwan with that 19 year old kid from Rawal Pindi. Inject new blood. Move on.

No one, NO ONE is irreplaceable!

Hell select any kid from the streets of Karachi.

Guarantee they will be 10 times the batsmen Rizwan is

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Previous series you were telling me they sent the best possible 11 because the rest don't play red ball and when that 11 gets butchered and this new 11 wins, now it's babar is high caliber.

Babar doesn't even play 4 day fc red ball and it clearly shows, heck a local tournament is coming up and he's running off to dubai, and yet you're the same guy who told me you can't have a player like husnain in test cause he hasn't played fc in 2 years, But for Babar who hasn't played it in over 4 years now, the criteria for him is different?

No one ran away with Bobby, He averaged 20 for the past 2 years, He deserved a boot, Plain and simple.

Every time you talk all you do is expose yourself. Test cricket and domestic FC cricket are both FC cricket. Just as ODI cricket and domestic List A are both List A cricket. The runs a player scores in domestic FC and test cricket; both count in his FC record. The runs a player scores in List A and ODI cricket; both count towards his List A record.

International players, especially those that play multiple formats for their country generally don't play domestic FC cricket. Remind me again, when was the last time that Kohli turned up for Delhi in the Ranji Trophy? If a player is regularly playing test cricket and representing his country in other formats there is no logical reason for him to be playing QeA Trophy cricket too. Unless ofcourse there is alot of free time or gap between international commitments.

And since you're clearly too much of a genius to remember this, the 2023 ICC Cricket World Cup was going on during the last QeA Trophy season.

 

[khyberlion]

Hell select any kid from the streets of Karachi.

Guarantee they will be 10 times the batsmen Rizwan is

1 wk from KPK has surpassed all the wk from Karachi.

 

[Rana]

No one can replace Babar right now. Because he is the best and most complete batter

40 off 40 against USA in Dallas

Complete batter…

 

[Rana]

1 wk from KPK has surpassed all the wk from Karachi.

In what? Embarrassing the nation?

 

[CerebralPatriot]

1 wk from KPK has surpassed all the wk from Karachi.

True. Rizwan easily surpasses any keeper from Karachi, heck any keeper from Pakistan when it comes to the damage they have done

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

40 off 40 against USA in Dallas

Complete batter…

As opposed to your imaginary 19 year old batter from Pindi who scord 40 off 40 against Ghani Glass?

 

[Rana]

As opposed to your imaginary 19 year old batter from Pindi who scord 40 off 40 against Ghani Glass?

It was 50 off 22 actually, something Rizwan cant even do against Somalia

 

[Rana]

"No one can replace Babar right now. Because he is the best and most complete batter in Pakistan right now."

First listen to yourself before making fun of what others think. Pakistan's most complete batter has serious issues against spin and has next to none power game even though he eats up the powerplay for himself.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

"No one can replace Babar right now. Because he is the best and most complete batter in Pakistan right now."

First listen to yourself before making fun of what others think. Pakistan's most complete batter has serious issues against spin and has next to none power game even though he eats up the powerplay for himself.

T20 cricket is not really cricket. And even for T20 standards he done quite well for himself, especially if you compare his T20 record to that of players like Kane Williamson, Joe Root, Steve Smith who have similar roles as the main all-format batters for their countries. He undoubtedly has issues against left-arm spin but there is no reason why he can't rectify them. Just because a player goes through a rough patch doesn't mean his career is over. And sooner than later, Babar will be back to his best.

 

[Rana]

T20 cricket is not really cricket. And even for T20 standards he done quite well for himself, especially if you compare his T20 record to that of players like Kane Williamson, Joe Root, Steve Smith who have similar roles as the main all-format batters for their countries.

You are comparing an opener (a guy who bats in the same position as Warner, Roy, Gayle, Sharma, Guptil, Munro etc.) with guys who bat at number 3, and saying Babar is playing the same roles as those guys who do a job for their nations in the most difficult batting position.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Again, more proof you have zero understanding of cricket in general. You are comparing an opener (a guy who bats in the same position as Warner, Roy, Gayle, Sharma, Guptil, Munro etc.) with guys who bat at number 3, and saying Babar is playing the same roles as those guys who do a job for their nations in the most difficult batting position.

Learn cricket first and then make fun of others.

LMAO. Yeah I'm sure all these guys would be averaging 50+ if they opened the batting. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are mediocre T20 players.

 

[mominsaigol]

T20 cricket is not really cricket. And even for T20 standards he done quite well for himself, especially if you compare his T20 record to that of players like Kane Williamson, Joe Root, Steve Smith who have similar roles as the main all-format batters for their countries. He undoubtedly has issues against left-arm spin but there is no reason why he can't rectify them. Just because a player goes through a rough patch doesn't mean his career is over. And sooner than later, Babar will be back to his best.

T20 cricket is not really cricket?

Then why do they call it T20 Cricket?

For giggles? Its a different format, And Root, Smith, Williamson are not t20 players, infact their test specialists,

Babar hasn't been specialising in anything for the past 2 years. Zero formats.

T20 is a different format, you can be good in one like SKY but terrible in another.

 

[PakPremi]

After Rizwan good keeping in the second test, more bad news will follow posters who are dreaming of his disappearance and those who even admit they hate him, he will be named as white ball captain.

 

[Mamoon]

About time Rizwan gets the respect that he deserves. He is better than Dhoni in two of three formats. He is one of the best all format WK batsman in the world right now and a million times better than his so called competitors in Pakistan.

Pakistan’s WK situation would have been a total mess right now if Rizwan didn’t exist. A washed up, expired Sarfraz and T10 sloggers like Haris and Azam would have been vying for a spot.

Rizwan is the best cricketer in Pakistan in this era simply because the cupboard is completely empty without him. He is the only player who is completely irreplaceable.

 

[Devadwal]

Haha so now rizwan is better than dhoni ..only you can see this gem of line from delusion pakistan posters.

 

[Mamoon]

Haha so now rizwan is better than dhoni ..only you can see this gem of line from delusion pakistan posters.

Dhoni was a bang average Test and T20I player. In T20Is, he had the same SR as Rizwan and scored less than half the runs Rizwan does.

He was good in ODIs with the finisher gimmick but he was taking advantage of a strong batting lineup. Playing the finisher role when you are batting below Tendulkar, Sehwag, Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Gambhir and Yuvraj is not difficult.

We would have seen how much of a finisher he was if he was playing for a weaker team. He batted over 500+ times for India but even his ardent “Thala” fans can’t recall more than 10 innings of note where he actually played impactful knocks and they can all recall a similar number of innings where he actually lost matches for India.

He is the biggest scam in Indian cricket history. India have produced much better players than him who have received far less recognition.

He is a pure PR product and that is further illustrated by his laughable biopic where a fake storyline of him meeting his love interest on a plane before his maiden century who then died in a car accident was created to garner sympathy.

Pant only took two years to show how overrated Dhoni was. I would definitely take Rizwan over him in Test and T20Is.

Sangakkara, QDK, Buttler, Pant and Rizwan are all better than Dhoni.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan WK options if you remove Rizwan.

1. Washed up, expired Sarfraz

2. T10 hacks like Haris and Azam

3. Some 34 year old Bismillah Khan who averages less than 30 in domestic cricket



Only decent option is Haseebullah who has good potential with the bat but he is to raw right now to replace Rizwan. However, he can definitely be the best all format long term WK in a few years.

Therefore, you have to be a complete fool to suggest that Pakistan cricket is ready to move on from Rizwan.

 

[Devadwal]

Dhoni was a bang average Test and T20I player. In T20Is, he had the same SR as Rizwan and scored less than half the runs Rizwan does.

He was good in ODIs with the finisher gimmick but he was taking advantage of a strong batting lineup. Playing the finisher role when you are batting below Tendulkar, Sehwag, Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Gambhir and Yuvraj is not difficult.

We would have seen how much of a finisher he was if he was playing for a weaker team. He batted over 500+ times for India but even his ardent “Thala” fans can’t recall more than 10 innings of note where he actually played impactful knocks and they can all recall a similar number of innings where he actually lost matches for India.

He is the biggest scam in Indian cricket history. India have produced much better players than him who have received far less recognition.

He is a pure PR product and that is further illustrated by his laughable biopic where a fake storyline of him meeting his love interest on a plane before his maiden century who then died in a car accident was created to garner sympathy.

Pant only took two years to show how overrated Dhoni was. I would definitely take Rizwan over him in Test and T20Is.

Sangakkara, QDK, Buttler, Pant and Rizwan are all better than Dhoni.

Although Dhoni was not a good test batter but his knock of 224 runs against Australia was better than whole Rizwan test career He achieved this during a crucial moment when India were trailing by 380 runs and were at 196/4.

 

[Mamoon]

Although Dhoni was not a good test batter but his knock of 224 runs against Australia was better than whole Rizwan test career He achieved this during a crucial moment when India were trailing by 380 runs and were at 196/4.

144 Test innings and all his apologists can talk about is one 200 and perhaps a couple of more innings. That is it.

The funniest thing about Dhoni is that in spite of playing 500+ innings for India, even his most passionate fans have completely forgotten 99% of his innings which proves the point that he was extremely overrated as an individual contributor and added nothing to the team as a player.