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A call to all Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam critics - Who should replace them?

Pakistan lose 17 T20is in a year in which Babar and Rizwan featured in all of them.

But their fans have the audacity to make fun of players who were not in the team.

Pakistan as a nation are a lost cause.
 
Any Pakistan XI without Babar and Rizwan becomes significantly stronger than the one with them in the side.

This is a fact that I understood in 2020, you people will understand this soon.
 
Babar if he changes his anchor mindset, still has skill level and shot making ability to be a class T20I batter in top 3

Rizwan frankly is not a fit in modern T20 cricket.

Pakistan have to build a new core for 2026 WT20 and likes of Saim, Irfan, Tayyab, Abrar should all get maximum exposure over next year or so instead of old guard.
 
Rana said:
Any Pakistan XI without Babar and Rizwan becomes significantly stronger than the one with them in the side.

This is a fact that I understood in 2020, you people will understand this soon.
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I am sure you do it deliberately. These two are the best t20i players Pak has ever produced
 
heddie19 said:
I am sure you do it deliberately. These two are the best t20i players Pak has ever produced
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Common man. Rizwan and Babar are not the best T20 players Pakistan has even right now.

The best T20 talent in Pakistan right now is Mohd Haris followed by Saim Ayub and Fakhar Zaman.
If Sharjeel can get his act together, he’s in the same league talent wise.

In surprise lot, keep an eye out for Haider Ali.
 
Farabi said:
Common man. Rizwan and Babar are not the best T20 players Pakistan has even right now.

The best T20 talent in Pakistan right now is Mohd Haris followed by Saim Ayub and Fakhar Zaman.
If Sharjeel can get his act together, he’s in the same league talent wise.

In surprise lot, keep an eye out for Haider Ali.
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I am happy to see the name of Haider ali here but Haris and sharjeel??? I guess you have not been watching Haris play for last year or so.... He is a nothing batter. Calling him talented is fine but he has not yet proved anything anywhere.
 
Pakistan's next T20 is around 10 months so lot of time for retrospection
 
BouncerGuy said:
I am happy to see the name of Haider ali here but Haris and sharjeel??? I guess you have not been watching Haris play for last year or so.... He is a nothing batter. Calling him talented is fine but he has not yet proved anything anywhere.
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Haris is literally the only player who’s proven himself recently. He showed fearless, clutch intent in the 2022 T20 World Cup, helping Pakistan reach the final. Add to that his 170+ career PSL strike rate, and he’s easily one of the 2-3 legit T20 batters Pakistan has right now.

Sharjeel, on the other hand, was probably the most exciting batting talent since Saeed Anwar, but PCB totally wasted him.
 
Rana said:
Any Pakistan XI without Babar and Rizwan becomes significantly stronger than the one with them in the side.

This is a fact that I understood in 2020, you people will understand this soon.
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Pakistan with Babar and Rizwan and without Amir and Imad = final and semifinal.

Pakistan with Babar and Rizwan and also with Amir and Imad = group stage humiliation.
 
Farabi said:
Haris is literally the only player who’s proven himself recently. He showed fearless, clutch intent in the 2022 T20 World Cup, helping Pakistan reach the final. Add to that his 170+ career PSL strike rate, and he’s easily one of the 2-3 legit T20 batters Pakistan has right now.

Sharjeel, on the other hand, was probably the most exciting batting talent since Saeed Anwar, but PCB totally wasted him.
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Not good to score more than 15-20 runs and usually a passenger against spin. Nope. No good enough
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan with Babar and Rizwan and without Amir and Imad = final and semifinal.

Pakistan with Babar and Rizwan and also with Amir and Imad = group stage humiliation.
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Pakistan are now with Babar and rizwan and without Amir and imad and have been for a while now.

Yet their getting brutalised by every tom dick and Harry team?
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan with Babar and Rizwan and without Amir and Imad = final and semifinal.

Pakistan with Babar and Rizwan and also with Amir and Imad = group stage humiliation.
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Muhammad Amir has been clutch in both ICC titles Pakistan has won this century. What have Babar and Rizwan won?

This year alone, Pakistan has lost 17 T20Is and has the 10th worst win/loss ratio. In all but one of those games, Rizwan and Babar played in the Powerplay, and they’re the ones opening most of the time. They’ve had everything—leadership roles, the easiest spots to bat—and their strike rates are still terrible.

No wonder Pakistan’s been humiliated all year, including not winning a single T20 in SENA countries since 2 years now. What’s the excuse for them?
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan with Babar and Rizwan and without Amir and Imad = final and semifinal.

Pakistan with Babar and Rizwan and also with Amir and Imad = group stage humiliation.
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Imad was a part of the 2021 t20 WC squad.
 
Rana said:
Clown chooses to overlook Imad when it suits him
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He has talked about how imad released the pressure for aus in the PP even though ultimately it had no bearings on aus chasing 48 in 18.

They chased it down because aus fights till the end and pakistan couldn't handle the tournament pressure especially shaheen and hasan Ali.

Although tbf pakistan did try hard in 2021. Problem isn't the aus game, problem is fan perception thinking pak was the best team when it wasn't.

They smacked India badly in a one off which is good, it's a good thrashing. But nz and afg games were won due to pure luck cause asif who'd been failing non stop pulled 2 hit wonders but he ain't gonna chase 25 of 12 every game lol.

The opening duo was badly exposed for their 70 of 10 overs gand
 
Harsh but true as wicket keeper no ready made alternate for Rizwan.

Usman AzamKhan all are even below average.

As far Babar is concerned, only a fool will leave him, he is still one of the top player for Pakistan
 
Farabi said:
Common man. Rizwan and Babar are not the best T20 players Pakistan has even right now.

The best T20 talent in Pakistan right now is Mohd Haris followed by Saim Ayub and Fakhar Zaman.
If Sharjeel can get his act together, he’s in the same league talent wise.

In surprise lot, keep an eye out for Haider Ali.
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Sharjeel is averaging around 8 with SR of 80 odd in the domestics lol.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Imad was a part of the 2021 t20 WC squad.
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He was, and he was one of the main reasons for Pakistan failing to defend the total in the semifinal.

That was the day the drama of him being a PP specialist with the new ball ended and Babar lost faith in him and rightly so.

Imad was finished by 2020-2021 and rightfully dropped. The World Cup this year proved that neither Imad nor Amir add anything to the team at this stage of their careers and people who were vouching for their returns got a shut up call.
 
There's still a case to play Babar in the lineup. But if PAK don't have replacements for Rizwan, that's a shocking indictment of your batting stocks.

Mo. Haris has much more talent but doing himself no favours with pathetic numbers everywhere - PSL, Emerging Cup etc.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
There's still a case to play Babar in the lineup. But if PAK don't have replacements for Rizwan, that's a shocking indictment of your batting stocks.

Mo. Haris has much more talent but doing himself no favours with pathetic numbers everywhere - PSL, Emerging Cup etc.
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He is having good champion cup and he should replace Rizwan
 
Nikhil_cric said:
There's still a case to play Babar in the lineup. But if PAK don't have replacements for Rizwan, that's a shocking indictment of your batting stocks.

Mo. Haris has much more talent but doing himself no favours with pathetic numbers everywhere - PSL, Emerging Cup etc.
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That’s not how Kirsten saw it
 
Kianig89 said:
Pakistan's next T20 is around 10 months so lot of time for retrospection
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No


Babar and Rizwan to fool the fans with 120-135 strike rates on PSL phattas

Misbah and his phony crew hyping them up in the pavilion.

Back to square 1 10 months later
 
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Rana said:
That’s not how Kirsten saw it
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That would have been possible under a mgmt. where Kirsten was coach with a great deal of autonomy. He would've backed Haris for his ability and given him a long rope

Under current circumstances, even a couple of failures will mean the end of his Int'l career.

Better to come in after he has had an impactful PSL season.
 
Pakistan has lost 16 T20 this year.

Rizwan has played as an opener in 18 games this year.

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116 SR of opener - Longer you bat with such a hirroble SR, more the team will lose.

I am puzzled by anyone citing his high avg as if it's a good thing with a super low SR.

It's easy to avg 50 with SR of 100-110. Oppositions will actualy prefer to keep that batsman till 20th overs.
 
Rana said:
No


Babar and Rizwan to fool the fans with 120-135 strike rates on PSL phattas

Misbah and his phony crew hyping them up in the pavilion.

Back to square 1 10 months later
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Go on make wholesale changes as if the domestic is full of players like Head, Buttler Hendricks etc.

It's a journey of circles, you take out Babar & Rizwan what you will induct , Azam Khan Iftikhar Ahmed, Khusdil Shah Shadab Khan or some rookies like Khwaja Nafay etc who will bust out as Usman Khan.

Rizwan should be replaced if there is better option available. We might play Zimbabwe at home during IPL window for some T20s. PCB has options for it.

Team for that series might be

Saim
Rizwan
Babar
TT
Khusdil
Irfan
 JK
 Abass
Sufyan
Ihsanullah
Abrar/Pacer
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Honestly I want Rizwan not to play T20s and Babar to be rested for this, but knowing our culture we may see Rauf & SSA in 11 also
 
Kianig89 said:
Go on make wholesale changes as if the domestic is full of players like Head, Buttler Hendricks etc.

It's a journey of circles, you take out Babar & Rizwan what you will induct , Azam Khan Iftikhar Ahmed, Khusdil Shah Shadab Khan or some rookies like Khwaja Nafay etc who will bust out as Usman Khan.

Rizwan should be replaced if there is better option available. We might play Zimbabwe at home during IPL window for some T20s. PCB has options for it.

Team for that series might be

Saim
Rizwan
Babar
TT
Khusdil
Irfan
 JK
 Abass
Sufyan
Ihsanullah
Abrar/Pacer
-----------------------

Honestly I want Rizwan not to play T20s and Babar to be rested for this, but knowing our culture we may see Rauf & SSA in 11 also
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What? Pakistan has lost 17 T20Is this year with these 2 opening, which are the easiest slots.

Pakistan will be fine, maybe even better, without Rizbabar. The team needs a serious culture shift. We’ve seen with players like Saim Ayub that there’s no shortage of talent. Just bring them in and give them consistent chances.

No batter with a strike rate below 140 should even be considered. No anchoring. Batters from No. 1 to No. 6 need to be flexible—push for 250 when needed but also adapt to chasing 150 when conditions demand.

The top three should be Mohammad Haris, Saim Ayub, and Fakhar Zaman. For the rest, trial players who’ve proven themselves in domestic and PSL—guys like Haider Ali, Irfan Niazi, or anyone hitting a 160+ strike rate regularly. Then back them for.
 
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Farabi said:
Common man. Rizwan and Babar are not the best T20 players Pakistan has even right now.

The best T20 talent in Pakistan right now is Mohd Haris followed by Saim Ayub and Fakhar Zaman.
If Sharjeel can get his act together, he’s in the same league talent wise.

In surprise lot, keep an eye out for Haider Ali.
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Yeah and I am Brad Pitt :D
 
emranabbas said:
He really is a babar and rizwan supporter argued with me for days and then disappeared when he couldn't win the argument

He just wants harris as a back up keeper
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Says the who was getting defensive and wanted Asif Ali the opener in which he last opened more than 5 years ago.You was the one who said dont quote me.
 
Farabi said:
What? Pakistan has lost 17 T20Is this year with these 2 opening, which are the easiest slots.

Pakistan will be fine, maybe even better, without Rizbabar. The team needs a serious culture shift. We’ve seen with players like Saim Ayub that there’s no shortage of talent. Just bring them in and give them consistent chances.

No batter with a strike rate below 140 should even be considered. No anchoring. Batters from No. 1 to No. 6 need to be flexible—push for 250 when needed but also adapt to chasing 150 when conditions demand.

The top three should be Mohammad Haris, Saim Ayub, and Fakhar Zaman. For the rest, trial players who’ve proven themselves in domestic and PSL—guys like Haider Ali, Irfan Niazi, or anyone hitting a 160+ strike rate regularly. Then back them for.
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How many matches did Rizwan and Babar open together out of the 17 lost? Pakistan ended up splitting statistically the most successful T20I opening pair in history simply because of outside noise and the results are there for all to see. Fakhar is a failure as T20I opener no matter how much we twist it. Ayub is a good prospect but let him learn that he cannot be selfish while batting like slowing down for a 100 like he did vs SA in the 2nd T20. He is a solid number 3 prospect.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
How many matches did Rizwan and Babar open together out of the 17 lost? Pakistan ended up splitting statistically the most successful T20I opening pair in history simply because of outside noise and the results are there for all to see. Fakhar is a failure as T20I opener no matter how much we twist it. Ayub is a good prospect but let him learn that he cannot be selfish while batting like slowing down for a 100 like he did vs SA in the 2nd T20. He is a solid number 3 prospect.
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Rizwan and Babar have never statistically been the best T20 pair. In this format, strike rate matters more than averages, and their combined 125 strike rate is below par.

I have no bias against Rizwan and Babar; both are Pakistan’s pride. Rizwan is our best keeper-batter in ODIs and Tests.

While they didn’t always open during the losing streak, they consistently batted in the top 3, the easiest positions, yet couldn’t deliver match-winning performances.

Fakhar Zaman, though not opening in internationals since 2019, has been the best PSL opener with a strike rate of 145 and provides the impact Pakistan needs at the top.
 
Farabi said:
Rizwan and Babar have never statistically been the best T20 pair. In this format, strike rate matters more than averages, and their combined 125 strike rate is below par.

I have no bias against Rizwan and Babar; both are Pakistan’s pride. Rizwan is our best keeper-batter in ODIs and Tests.

While they didn’t always open during the losing streak, they consistently batted in the top 3, the easiest positions, yet couldn’t deliver match-winning performances.

Fakhar Zaman, though not opening in internationals since 2019, has been the best PSL opener with a strike rate of 145 and provides the impact Pakistan needs at the top.
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He has numbers that will prove Babar and Rizwan are the best
 
Rana said:
He has numbers that will prove Babar and Rizwan are the best
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Part of the blame lies with the ICC ranking system, which doesn’t account for strike rates in T20 cricket. It uses the same algorithm as ODI and Test rankings, focusing only on runs scored and the team’s ranking they were scored against.

This creates misleading perceptions and false impressions. The ICC must revamp its ranking system to reflect the realities of T20 cricket; as it stands, it’s become outdated and ineffective.
 
No I don't believe babar and rizwan are indisposible. In fact they are responsible for current sorry state of pak cricket in T20. Well I believe they do have important role In odi and test cricket but a big NO in T20. A quickfire 30 at top of say 15 deliveries is far far better and match winning knock compared to 75 of say 65 deliveries which babar and rizwan are accoustomed to. They are playing for themselves and not for country.
Most competent T20 cricket team could be like
1) Saim Ayub
2) Fakhar zaman
3) Haider Ali
4) Azam khan(wk)
5) Irfan khan
6) M. Haris
7) qasim akram
8) shahdab
9) Shaheen
10) Naseem
11) Haris rouf
12) Arafat minhas
13) sufiyaan muqeem
14) Talat hussain
15) ihsanullah/M.Ali
16) Abbas Afridi
 
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