A call to all Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam critics - Who should replace them?

Shabaash. Replacing a wicketkeeper with a non wicketkeeper.


He’s replacing a garbage T20 opener with a proper opener when replacing Rizwan.

He is then picking a wicket keeper to bat in a position that suits the keeper and his team. We know the games you people play.

Fear God.
 
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Im not confused but your cohorts caught in their argument

Buttler QDK > All Pak t20 batsmen

i hope you understand now
What’s difficult in the question I asked?

You gave 4 names. Rank those 4 1-4. I like the fact that you want to bring context in discussions. Now let’s understand the way you perceive context.
 
Fakhar Zaman avg 23 SR 133

Babar Azam avg 40 SR 129


QDK avg. 31 SR 138

Buttler avg 36 SR 147



Some contextual relevance
Hahahaha, hilarious.

In 2018 aka the last year that Fakhar opened, He was avg 33 with a sr of 149 in t20 cricket.

His avg and sr dropped down immensely after he was shoved to no 4 in t20 cricket which is why you see stats.

Misbah fans used this rubbish argument on how bad Fakhar was as an opener and why he had to be shoved down to no 4.

Its a good thing sites like howstats exists to expose such lies and rubbish arguments from posters who probably weren't even alive to watch the 2018 tri series.
 
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With Power hitting there is an element of success rate highlighted by players average.
This is where Buttler SKY are lethal top tier batters whereas players like FZ & Babar have their limitations
 
With Power hitting there is an element of success rate highlighted by players average.
This is where Buttler SKY are lethal top tier batters whereas players like FZ & Babar have their limitations
Acha jee

Fakhar has limitations like Babar? What are those limitations?
 
Had Sahibzada FArhan Usman Khan smashed a couple of brisk 50s, Rizwan position in T20 would have been in danger but the lack of talent leaves us with no choice
 
2018 fakhar as an opener in t20: Avg 33, Strike rate 149, Highest score vs Aus 91 of 46

2024 Rizwan as an opener in t20: 43 avg, 118 sr, highest score of 90 of 63 vs NZ which resulted in a loss with NZ badly smacking Pakistan's daylights out.


People will say rizwan is bwtter because he averages 43 smh.
 
Had Sahibzada FArhan Usman Khan smashed a couple of brisk 50s, Rizwan position in T20 would have been in danger but the lack of talent leaves us with no choice
So you have to score a fluke 50 off how many balls to replace Rizwan?
 
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2018 fakhar as an opener in t20: Avg 33, Strike rate 149, Highest score vs Aus 91 of 46

2024 Rizwan as an opener in t20: 43 avg, 118 sr, highest score of 90 of 63 vs NZ which resulted in a loss with NZ badly smacking Pakistan's daylights out.


People will say rizwan is bwtter because he averages 43 smh.
Bro don’t you know Fakhar and Babar have similar limitations? Rizwan doesn’t have limitations
 
2018 fakhar as an opener in t20: Avg 33, Strike rate 149, Highest score vs Aus 91 of 46

2024 Rizwan as an opener in t20: 43 avg, 118 sr, highest score of 90 of 63 vs NZ which resulted in a loss with NZ badly smacking Pakistan's daylights out.


People will say rizwan is bwtter because he averages 43 smh.
Travis Head in 2024: 38 avg, 178 SR highest score of 80.

Rizwan fans, Rizzu is better because he averages 43 in 2024 in t20 🤡
 
Acha jee

Fakhar has limitations like Babar? What are those limitations?
8 years of international cricket and he is yet to cement his place, his avg of 22 also highlights his limitation
 
8 years of international cricket and he is yet to cement his place, his avg of 22 also highlights his limitation
Yeah what are those limitations that he has and are similar to Babar’s who averages double than him?
 
So you have to score a fluke 50 off how many balls to replace Rizwan?

What is this new like of nonsense you are towing?
Its about new players grabbing opportunities unfortunately most of our young players are failing
 
So,

You have to grab your opportunity with a 50….otherwise Rizwan knocks you off with an ODI strike rate in T20s?
yes of course performance is the only way to knock these senior players out
 
Bro don’t you know Fakhar and Babar have similar limitations? Rizwan doesn’t have limitations
Only 2 Limitations Fakhar has is that he's a bit of a nervous starter and he struggles against deliveries that angle away from him at the start. Which is why getting rid of him early is easy, after a while it's game over for the opposition if he finds rhythm. Very similar to Ijaz ahmed. Either axeman gets out early or a brutal 140 of 87 balls coming right up.

Rizwan has like a million limitations.

A) Can't loft

B) Can't play any offside strokes

C) Can't use his feet to advance againat spinners or pacers for lofts

D) can't play bounce

E) Can't pull anything that's away from him, it has to be one his body for him to play that pull, actually not even a pull shot, it's a stupid hoick

F) can't drive, only short term jabs

G) can't play cut shots or any late backlift strokes against spin( Spin bradman everybody)

I can list a million things. Rizwan has only 4 strokes

1) Inside out drive against spin which hardly connects.

2) leg side hoick

3) one handed Sweeps with no rhyme or rhythm or placement

4) Jabs for a run

One of the most limited and ugly batters I have ever seen in my life, even uglier then fawad alam.
 
Shabaash. Replacing a wicketkeeper with a non wicketkeeper.

Do you even know what the argument is here? I am saying this for the millionth time that Riz should not be opening in T20s.

Your brigade want to drop Riz and play garbage like Usman/Haris/Haseebullah.

I was expecting you to use your wicket keeper quota.

Rizwan can be replaced with any proper T20 batsman.

There’s a long list of players who can be given the gloves for a T20 game including names who are already in the XI.

Playing Rizwan in the line up no matter where it is does damage to the team, and he wont bat lower because he knows he will be badly exposed there as well so there is literally no argument to persist with his selection.
 
Were you born yesterday or do you think I was born yesterday?
i know the system in Pakistan cricket, you have to make your place quickly otherwise nepotism connections is what you need
 
I’m not surprised

So this is how you rank the players?

1. Babar
2. QDQ
3. Butler
4. Fakhar

Am I right or you want to correct this?
Your hatred is evident again

Buttler QDK > all Pak T20 batsmen



how does that puts Babar at 1
 
i know the system in Pakistan cricket, you have to make your place quickly otherwise nepotism connections is what you need
You know that Babar and Rizwan are beneficiaries of a corrupt system? That’s what you admit?
 
You know that Babar and Rizwan are beneficiaries of a corrupt system? That’s what you admit?
Yes they have a lobby with them, aint that Babar is back in Test side without playing any game, Rizwan in good books of all concerned therefore
 
Yes they have a lobby with them, aint that Babar is back in Test side without playing any game, Rizwan in good books of all concerned therefore
So why do you argue with us to justify this nonsense from a cricketing logic?

You know they are backed because of a corrupt/dodgy system but you want to wage war against people who have honestly called them out from a cricketing perspective?
 
Your hatred is evident again

Buttler QDK > all Pak T20 batsmen



how does that puts Babar at 1
That's the problem Babar etc are competing with Pakistani players not with butler etc. No one in their right mind would take Babar over butler.
 
That's the problem Babar etc are competing with Pakistani players not with butler etc. No one in their right mind would take Babar over butler.
No you RizBar fans would take both of them over everyone

Zyada mehnat na karain.
 
So why do you argue with us to justify this nonsense from a cricketing logic?

You know they are backed because of a corrupt/dodgy system but you want to wage war against people who have honestly called them out from a cricketing perspective?
If Babar and Rizwan were good players no one would even hate them and their wouldn't be any narratives.

I've maintained that the criticism towards babar is unfair For Odi atleast. Hes put of form but cant forget that he still played well in his golden years. Minnow bashing isnt a bad thing since besides india, Even against top toer teams he was still acummulating good 40 to 50 scores and was playing well at no 3.

But in terms of t20 and test he was never a good test and t20 player even in his prime. His t20 sr even back in 2018-2019 never went higher then 132. 131 sr is his all time peak. Otherwise with the exception of 2016 where he crossed 120, he's always remained at a 120 to 129 sr in t20. Only his avg has dropped due to poor form.

Same in tests, he's been horrible in any conditon not named pindi.

As for Rizzu, Rizzu has been awful in every format since he's arrived.

His 2 greatest innings are Vs India and Vs Sri lanka. And don't get me wrong their not bad innings but rizzu's sr by year has never crossed 130 in his entire t20 career.

Furthermore all his hundreds and top test and odi scores have been achieved on grounds where in tests they were pindi roads or in odi the par score was 300+. The game Vs sri lanka, the par score was 300+ and chasing sides had an advantage due to due factor.

Very batting friendly pitch.
 
That's the problem Babar etc are competing with Pakistani players not with butler etc. No one in their right mind would take Babar over butler.
pakistani players playing pakistan players or they playing butler etc.. please clarify
 
babar isnt good enough so we need players who can compete with butler someone like tayab tahir :shh
Please stop this is getting worse from Mohammed amir being better than Babar with the bat now now mediocre Tayyab completing with butler and you have the audacity to call others stupid.
 
So why do you argue with us to justify this nonsense from a cricketing logic?

You know they are backed because of a corrupt/dodgy system but you want to wage war against people who have honestly called them out from a cricketing perspective?
It's not limited Rizbar being beneficiary of system, same is with SSA
 
So far from this discussion

Rizwan and Babar are not suited to T20 cricket specially the former.

There is no ready made options available to replace them.

So what is the way forward, since the messiah Fakhar 's SR is marginally better than Babar although with a mediocre average.

Best solution is to let others open the innings with Babar back to 3 and Rizwan somewhere between 5-7 according to situation till he is captain.

Saim Omair Babar TT Rizwan Irfan JK
 
Any more personal remarks or abuse will result in posters getting banned or be on restricted
 
Dear all,

I am happy to be part of this grate forum of which I was longtime lurker.

I want to point that Rizwan is being unfairly targeted. The numbers prove that he is one of the best T20 batsmen of all time.

I would like to compare numbers of Rizwan to 2 other players widely accepted as great T20 players, Head and Sharma.

Stats:

Rizwan 3403 runs @ 47.92 with 1 100 and 30 50s
Head 1093 runs @ 33.12 with 0 100s and 5 50s
Rohit 4231 runs @ 32.05 with 5 100s and 32 50s

Indian fans and Australian fans will never complain about Head or Sharma who have respectable stats but Pakistan fans want to complain about a player they are blessed to have. You talk about impact, numbers show the impact. 30 50s in T20I. Don't forget, he is also wicket keeper and captain both, unlike Head and Sharma. If Rizwan can keep it up for another 2 or 3 years, he will end up as GOAT T20 player of all time.
 
Dear all,

I am happy to be part of this grate forum of which I was longtime lurker.

I want to point that Rizwan is being unfairly targeted. The numbers prove that he is one of the best T20 batsmen of all time.

I would like to compare numbers of Rizwan to 2 other players widely accepted as great T20 players, Head and Sharma.

Stats:

Rizwan 3403 runs @ 47.92 with 1 100 and 30 50s
Head 1093 runs @ 33.12 with 0 100s and 5 50s
Rohit 4231 runs @ 32.05 with 5 100s and 32 50s

Indian fans and Australian fans will never complain about Head or Sharma who have respectable stats but Pakistan fans want to complain about a player they are blessed to have. You talk about impact, numbers show the impact. 30 50s in T20I. Don't forget, he is also wicket keeper and captain both, unlike Head and Sharma. If Rizwan can keep it up for another 2 or 3 years, he will end up as GOAT T20 player of all time.
Welcome brother to the group
 
Dear all,

I am happy to be part of this grate forum of which I was longtime lurker.

I want to point that Rizwan is being unfairly targeted. The numbers prove that he is one of the best T20 batsmen of all time.

I would like to compare numbers of Rizwan to 2 other players widely accepted as great T20 players, Head and Sharma.

Stats:

Rizwan 3403 runs @ 47.92 with 1 100 and 30 50s
Head 1093 runs @ 33.12 with 0 100s and 5 50s
Rohit 4231 runs @ 32.05 with 5 100s and 32 50s

Indian fans and Australian fans will never complain about Head or Sharma who have respectable stats but Pakistan fans want to complain about a player they are blessed to have. You talk about impact, numbers show the impact. 30 50s in T20I. Don't forget, he is also wicket keeper and captain both, unlike Head and Sharma. If Rizwan can keep it up for another 2 or 3 years, he will end up as GOAT T20 player of all time.
Welcome my friend
 
Dear all,

I am happy to be part of this grate forum of which I was longtime lurker.

I want to point that Rizwan is being unfairly targeted. The numbers prove that he is one of the best T20 batsmen of all time.

I would like to compare numbers of Rizwan to 2 other players widely accepted as great T20 players, Head and Sharma.

Stats:

Rizwan 3403 runs @ 47.92 with 1 100 and 30 50s
Head 1093 runs @ 33.12 with 0 100s and 5 50s
Rohit 4231 runs @ 32.05 with 5 100s and 32 50s

Indian fans and Australian fans will never complain about Head or Sharma who have respectable stats but Pakistan fans want to complain about a player they are blessed to have. You talk about impact, numbers show the impact. 30 50s in T20I. Don't forget, he is also wicket keeper and captain both, unlike Head and Sharma. If Rizwan can keep it up for another 2 or 3 years, he will end up as GOAT T20 player of all time.

Welcome Muhammad Rizwan.

Nice of you to join yourself.
 
OMG now ik why @Rana Erupts on you people 24/7. I'd be richer then Elon musk if I recieved 10,000 dollars every time I heard some one say the exact same thing over and over.

Do you have any idea how irritating this is? Or how many times someone has said just find me a pant? Smh
Pant averages 23 in T20I. Rizwan averages 48. It is not even a debate. India would take Rizwan over Pant any day.
 
The difference between Rizwan and Pant T20I average is greater than difference in average of Pant.
 
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Dear all,

I am happy to be part of this grate forum of which I was longtime lurker.

I want to point that Rizwan is being unfairly targeted. The numbers prove that he is one of the best T20 batsmen of all time.

I would like to compare numbers of Rizwan to 2 other players widely accepted as great T20 players, Head and Sharma.

Stats:

Rizwan 3403 runs @ 47.92 with 1 100 and 30 50s
Head 1093 runs @ 33.12 with 0 100s and 5 50s
Rohit 4231 runs @ 32.05 with 5 100s and 32 50s

Indian fans and Australian fans will never complain about Head or Sharma who have respectable stats but Pakistan fans want to complain about a player they are blessed to have. You talk about impact, numbers show the impact. 30 50s in T20I. Don't forget, he is also wicket keeper and captain both, unlike Head and Sharma. If Rizwan can keep it up for another 2 or 3 years, he will end up as GOAT T20 player of all time.
Welcome bro! Enjoy posting.
 
Welcome bro! Enjoy posting.
Thank you. The fact is there is no one to replace Babar and Rizwan and Pakistan would be 100 all out in most games without them. Pakistan should be grateful to have Rizwan and Babar at the top and it is the only reason they can compete. Last game vs SA, Rizwan singlehandedly took the attack to SA in SA despite struggling and not having a great day and nearly won it on his own in alien conditions. Rest of the line up could not do anything.
 
Lol its very true!

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In T20, they can be replaced easily.

In Test and ODI, they shouldn't be replaced. They are great for those 2 formats.
 
Khawaja Nafay from karachi is a very good replacement of Rizwan as wicket keeper batsman in T20s.
 
Khawaja Nafay from karachi is a very good replacement of Rizwan as wicket keeper batsman in T20s.
Way too early to say that.
He is not even a keeper and in batting, there is a lot of things he needs to learn and show a consistent form to make his way into the team. Atm, he is nowhere.
 
Who can replace Babar and Rizwan in T20I? Pakistan lost to Afghanistan without Rizwan and Babar. Fakhar the so-called impact player averages 22. Pakistan owe their successes to Rizwan and Babar and are blessed to have them. Listen to experts like Nasser Hussain. Most successful T20 opening partnership of all time who can drop anchor and chase 200 totals.
 
Way too early to say that.
He is not even a keeper and in batting, there is a lot of things he needs to learn and show a consistent form to make his way into the team. Atm, he is nowhere.
Of course he is nowhere near the brilliance of usman khan, harris, haider and rizwan. Right?.
He needs to learn the art of batting and temperament from usman, Harris, and Haider ali who were given many chances despite their failures.
Just to remind all khawaja played a brilliant inning against lahore qalandars winning the match for gladiators.
He is doing good in ongoing t20 domestic cup playing from markhors.
I would say he is perfect replacement of Rizwan and usman combined.
 
Of course he is nowhere near the brilliance of usman khan, harris, haider and rizwan. Right?.
He needs to learn the art of batting and temperament from usman, Harris, and Haider ali who were given many chances despite their failures.
Just to remind all khawaja played a brilliant inning against lahore qalandars winning the match for gladiators.
He is doing good in ongoing t20 domestic cup playing from markhors.
I would say he is perfect replacement of Rizwan and usman combined.
Not rizwan. He is not a keeper so there is no way he can replace riz as keeper. Even as a batter, he is modern day batter but he is not ready for internationals
 
Saim Ayub should replace them , for non Strikers end give Omair 4-5 games
 
you think Pakistan would be 30 all out if Babar and Rizwan don't play.
Pakistan lost to Afghanistan without Babar and Rizwan or have we forgotten that? Pakistan will struggle to post even 140-150 CONSISTENTLY without them. What you don't understand is that Babar and Rizwan would not need to drop anchor if Pakistan had a decent middle and lower order. This is why Pakistan need good middle order players and hope Saim can develop into the number 3 or number 4 and do the role that Fakhar failed to do. Usman Khan and the like should be discarded immediately.
 
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