A living legend outside Red House - My meeting with ex-cricketer Saeed Ahmed

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A living Legend Outside of Red House

It was a hot sunny Thursday, as we met up with a friend of ours who lived at the Red house. We parked our car outside red house, and rested by the side of the car while discussing whether to go play some Call of duty at the local gaming lounge.

As we wasted time and whined about petty stuff, we noticed a flock of molvis going house by house and preaching their ideas to every household member whose door bell they rang. They were still quite away from us.

We didn’t want to be approached by the preachers, especially today, when we just wanted to waste some time here and there and go home. We thought by the time they had approached towards red house, we would be long gone.

It was a Thursday anyways, so we had to kill time somehow, so phone browsing started.

The preachers were pacing up, and were almost near us, but there were still 1 or 2 more houses whose door bells had to be ringed before we were targeted. It was still too early to leave, so to dodge the bullet, we had to change the plans. We thought that as soon as they headed towards us, we would hide inside red house till the time they ringed our door bell and left.

Minutes passed by without any notice, and the group was approaching us. My friend made the signal, but the red house fellow for some reason didn’t want to take us inside.

Oh well, time to bite the bullet.

There were about five, eight, ten hands that came towards us to be greeted. The hands wouldn’t stop coming, until we shook the last hand of this very aged fellow who wore a nice double pocketed Shalwar Kameez, upon it a very fancy looking vest coat, with a white Pagar tied on his head which matched his beard.

For some odd reason, we felt special with the way everyone greeted us. Probably for the first time ever we were being given some importance.

But I wasn’t really too bothered to meet any of them. While my friends met them properly, I still had my back rested on my car as I shook hands with an improper body language.

As the White Pagar wallay uncle shook our hands, he introduced himself with a wide grin on his face, “Hello young fellows, I’m an ex Pakistani Cricketer, Saeed Ahmed, who has come to your neighborhood to preach our religion. I left behind the lavish life of England for this mission and…………………….”

Wait; did this guy mentioned himself as an ex-Pakistani Cricketer? I asked for his name again, and he repeated, “Yes my name is Saeed Ahmed who played at 1 down for Pakistan”. The name Saeed Ahmed sounded very familiar. Though we were not born at the time when he played, but often when I read past accounts of cricket happenings, or Wisden Cricket Articles, Saeed Ahmed was a name that I often saw, and his name was often written on score cards where I would pull out the scores and records of the more famous batsmen, Hanif Mohammad.

Suddenly, I had to change my body language, because now we had a Pakistani Legend standing infront of us in a very modest and humble manner. This was a guy whose name we often read in cricket related articles. This was the name we often saw on score cards while we searched for Hanif Mohammad, Fazal Mehmood, Abdul Kardar. I’ve always held respect for a cricketer, but to meet an ex-cricketer from the 60s was a unique moment. 60’s cricketers were those cricketers who played cricket for the love of their country and not for the money, because at that time there was no money involved in the game; it was patriotism that motivated these guys to play cricket.

As I stood more upfront, Saeed Saab even took out his passport to show us who he was, at the first glance I noticed the word Jullundar, and for me that was enough to know that this guy was indeed a legit person.

As Saeed Saab finished introducing himself, he allowed the other young molvi to speak.

This young molvi was probably in his later end of the 20s, short beard, wore a white praying cap. He looked as if he was a newly trained one, as he spoke in a robotic manner; he spoke as if he had done a ratta on the whole islamic subject.

The robotic molvi told us about the new mosque that had been built and how they were gathering everyone to start coming into the new mosque and so on.

After he had finish and the group was about to leave, I asked Saeed Saab if he still watched cricket.

Suddenly, this sentence of mine created a spark inside Saaed Saab. His whole body language changed, his voice became more energetic. “Ohhh, you’re asking I watch cricket? Cricket is my life; I have always watched the game and never missed a single match”

Being a diehard Misbah fan, I really wanted to know what the cricketers of the past generation hold the view about the often criticized Misbah ul haq.

I asked, “so what do you think about the current Test Captain Misbah Ul Haq, is he…..….”

Before I could even finish my sentence, Saaed Saab bursted “He is the best Kaptaan I have ever seen. One of the greatest test Kaptaan, what a marvelous player he is. It brings me utter shame when I see people criticize him.”

Saeed saab become more energetic, suddenly the spark inside Saeed Saab had ignited. Every time he praised the current Test Captain, he motioned his index finger upward, telling us that Misbah was the best. He then became very critical of the recent Pakistani team which played in the recently held World T20 2016 in India.

With my Cricket talk, Saaed Saab had now emerged as a completely different man. There was that spark in his eye that could be noticed, there was that life in his body that could be told. You could still tell that even after taking up religion over other aspects of life, cricket was still part of him; this guy had genuinely represented our country at a time when not even a dime was given for playing for Pakistan.

Saeed Saab had to leave, but he made us promise to come to the mosque and listen to what they would be saying at the Tableegh after the Maghreb Prayer.

Before he left with his group, we sheepishly asked Saeed Saab if we could get a picture taken with him; knowing the fact that he was religious and may option out. But he said why not with his bright smile.


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After Saeed Saab and his group left, we all three autonomously agreed that we would attend the tableegh after Maghrib. Not that we really cared or were interested in the religious stuff, but because of Saeed Saab. We already saw a glimpse of a joyful cricketer Saaed Ahmed, I especially, wanted to see more off it. Wanted to know more about what cricket was like in the 60s; wanted to share the atmosphere with an ex-Pakistani cricketer.


I was a bit late at reaching the newly built mosque, but not too late. I saw a small group of people seated on the carpeted prayer mats, who listened carefully to the young robot molvi who was giving out a boring speech, again another ratta. I saw an empty space, sat down legs folded. I paid little attention to what the young molvi said and tried to search for Saeed Saab in the gathering. At first I thought he had ditched us, but then I saw him seated in a small arm chair, seated comfortably and dozing off every now and then.

The tableegh finally ended after twenty to thirty minutes, the few people who had come, all left. I quickly approached towards Saeed Saab and greeted him. Suddenly, the grim and sleepy looking Saeed Saab again had a wide smile on his face, probably we were about to have more cricket talk. During this moment I was surprised how no one else had even bothered to come meet this personality or even shake his hand, all had left quietly.


Suddenly one of the molvi saab bought an arm chair for me. During this time my friends arrived from behind and greeted Saeed Saab who kept on smiling and greeting, with the molvi saab bringing arm chairs for them as well.

Basically as I was there only to discuss cricket, I asked Saaed Saab about how the cricket was back then and how different it was from today’s game.

Saaed Saab with the big smile on his face, went on to tell us how in his playing days players were given only rs: 25 per match, and that money barely covered their costs. He told us how today’s players were lucky to be earning millions of rupees, when back then it was little about the money more about the patriotism and pride of representing your country at the international level.

He recalled how once his team mate bought him the news about the opportunity to earn Rs: 500 from this particular match, and how excited and overjoyed they were to play that particular match and earn just Rs: 500 out of it.

I asked him about the travelling of those days, to which he described how they would travel on the ships, and while on the West Indies tour, they would had to get on the banana boats to travel further.

He went on about how he played in the Lancashire leagues for the Nelson Cricket Club, but he never really enjoyed the matches there because of the conditions which suited more to the bowler, and made it difficult for the batsmen to play against. He told us proudly, that his brother Younis Ahmed played for Surrey Cricket club for 17 years.

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After about forty minutes later, we decided it was time to leave, as we asked for Saaed Saab’s permission to leave, he asked us in a jolly manner not to leave just yet. Saeed Saab got off his chair and walked to an adjacent room, and after five minutes, he returned with another fellow who bought a table and a plate full of dry fruits for us.


Suddenly we became slightly embarrassed of Saaed Saabs very humble manner. We resisted, but he insisted us to take the dry fruits as he had bought them for us.

As we munched off the sweet rewari, Saaed Saab asked me what I thought about the current situation in Pakistan Cricket, whether Shahid Afridi had genuinely retired or not.

At first I was a bit surprised to be asked about my views on cricket by an Ex-Pakistani cricketer himself. But then I exclaimed that for now they would be keeping Afridi away from cricket, and maybe after 5-6 months he would be back in the team, because he is very influential at the moment. To this SaeedSaab agreed.

As we finished off the dry fruits, and got calls from home, it was time to leave.

We again asked for Saaed Saab’s permission, to which Saeed Saab stood up and greeted us cheerfully. Then as we were about to walk off, Saeed Saabsaid that he would greet us off till the front of the mosque. We asked Saeed Saab that it was fine and he didn’t need to, but he insisted.

As we walked till the exit of the mosque, Saeed Saab also paced with us. In fact, I noticed he was pacing much faster than us without any help or using his hands to hold on for support.

This person was in his 70s, but the way he walked without any need of support showed that he was indeed an ex Pakistani Cricketer.

As we reached the exit of the mosque and greeted off Saeed Saab one last time, Saaed Saab said with a jolly looking expression that how he will always cherish this moment he had with us.

Upon hearing that last sentence, I felt pleased and I as well will always cherish the moment we had with Saeed Ahmed the ex Pakistani Cricketer.
 
wow - what a story! Thanks for sharing with us.
 
Was wondering where this thread had gone lol.

Wonderful read. Just goes to show that age is just a number.

Also for some reason I always thought you of being a middle aged man. Surprised to know that you're a young dude:narine

Anyway you've got a great future career in journalism mate:jf
 
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

His brother Younis Ahmed was very talented and represented Pakistan and on the tour of India in 80's Imran recalled him in his late 30's and it was a surprise call as nobody was expecting it and Younis did quite well.

Younis played domestic cricket in his peak years in South Africa and performed very well. He has given expert opinion at Geo Super aswell while he came to Pakistan.


Mohammad Brothers, Ahmed brothers, Raja brothers and Akmal brothers are 4
families who represented pakistan.


Is Saeed Ahmed settled in UK ? Since how long ?
 
Imran Khan wrote at length of his problems with Saeed Ahmed on the 1971 tour of England.

Ahmed was upset to have not been given a single room: he had to share with the 18 year old Imran. So he encouraged Imran to go to a nightclub (once, which closed at 1 am), then complained to management that Imran was harming his sleep by coming in at 3 am every night. Imran was almost sent home, and Ahmed got his single room.

He also burst into tears once when a catch was dropped off his bowling!

Saeed Ahmed is a relic of an earlier, less professional age of "seniority".

And before anyone asks the source,

"All Round View" by Imran Khan, page 11.
 
Imran Khan wrote at length of his problems with Saeed Ahmed on the 1971 tour of England.

Ahmed was upset to have not been given a single room: he had to share with the 18 year old Imran. So he encouraged Imran to go to a nightclub (once, which closed at 1 am), then complained to management that Imran was harming his sleep by coming in at 3 am every night. Imran was almost sent home, and Ahmed got his single room.

He also burst into tears once when a catch was dropped off his bowling!

Saeed Ahmed is a relic of an earlier, less professional age of "seniority".

And before anyone asks the source,

"All Round View" by Imran Khan, page 11.

So, is it a hobby of you, to memorize the page numbers? :)
 

Yes, really.

Later in the 1970s the skills of Intikhab Alam, Mushtaq Mohammad and Wasim Bari were topped up by the guts and professionalism of Imran Khan and Javed Miandad, and that made Pakistan into the world's second best team from 1982-1999. Their predecessors were, to be frank, self-centred and soft.
 
So, is it a hobby of you, to memorize the page numbers? :)

I looked it up yesterday because I didn't want to be moderated!

This is a brilliant thread, for which I congratulate [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] , but I don't want a man like Saeed Ahmed to get a free pass. Those of us who are older know exactly what kind of person he is, and what his contribution to Pakistan cricket was.
 
Sorry to burst yours and Saeed saab's bubble, but Misbah is an extremely overrated Kaptaan. Anyhoo, it was a nice read. Thanks for the share.
 
Great story brother. Thanks for sharing this with us. Nice of you guys going to the mosque to see the Saaed sahab again.
 
thank goodness saeed ahmed, said good things about misbah, or else you would have slacked off religion and sunnah otherwise or slandered him to no limits :) being so cynical doesnt help :) hope you can learn to be as humble as saeed ahmed :)
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]. HE has been settled in the UK for a very long time. Lived in Mitcham for endless years and has seen hard times too. I had seen him even driving cabs at one stage.
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], mate I am sure we all have had our bad decisions bad moments, but you cannot write off or slander people without acknowledging the fact that people can change :) just like your man salman butt can :) become a better human being :)
 
thank goodness saeed ahmed, said good things about misbah, or else you would have slacked off religion and sunnah otherwise or slandered him to no limits :) being so cynical doesnt help :) hope you can learn to be as humble as saeed ahmed :)
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]. HE has been settled in the UK for a very long time. Lived in Mitcham for endless years and has seen hard times too. I had seen him even driving cabs at one stage.
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], mate I am sure we all have had our bad decisions bad moments, but you cannot write off or slander people without acknowledging the fact that people can change :) just like your man salman butt can :) become a better human being :)

This post made me :)
 
thank goodness saeed ahmed, said good things about misbah, or else you would have slacked off religion and sunnah otherwise or slandered him to no limits :) being so cynical doesnt help :) hope you can learn to be as humble as saeed ahmed :)
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]. HE has been settled in the UK for a very long time. Lived in Mitcham for endless years and has seen hard times too. I had seen him even driving cabs at one stage.
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], mate I am sure we all have had our bad decisions bad moments, but you cannot write off or slander people without acknowledging the fact that people can change :) just like your man salman butt can :) become a better human being :)

I have never seen or heard of Saeed Ahmed expressing any regret or remorse for his selfish behaviour. I freely admit that I am deeply suspicious of people who show off their piety, but still, Saeed Ahmed was a terrible example to the youngsters on the 1971 tour of England.

The only positive is that Imran Khan channelled that into knowing what NOT to copy and what NOT to admire.

I would add that there is an elephant in the room in this thread, and I'm finally going to confront it.

Saeed Ahmed's younger brother Younis Ahmed was a very good batsman in the 1970s at Surrey and Worcestershire.

Yet he doesn't feature in the Test record books from his second Test in 1969 when he was 22 years old to his final (third and fourth) Tests in 1987, when he was almost 40.

This is because in the darkest days of Apartheid, Younis Ahmed (along with John Shepherd) joined a rebel tour to South Africa as the token non-white in 1973. (Twenty six years later Ali Bacher took him to court, but that's another matter).

It's truly fascinating that Saeed Ahmed still speaks with pride about his younger brother. He must see the world in different colours to the rest of us. I've spent a quarter of a century trying to forget about Younis Ahmed.
 
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Really appreciate the kind words everyone.


Was wondering where this thread had gone lol.

Wonderful read. Just goes to show that age is just a number.

Also for some reason I always thought you of being a middle aged man. Surprised to know that you're a young dude:narine

Anyway you've got a great future career in journalism mate:jf

Though I'm in my very early 20s, but all Misbah fans are alike.
Old fashion :yk


I looked it up yesterday because I didn't want to be moderated!

This is a brilliant thread, for which I congratulate [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] , but I don't want a man like Saeed Ahmed to get a free pass. Those of us who are older know exactly what kind of person he is, and what his contribution to Pakistan cricket was.

Well in reality, you could say that Saeed Ahmed did played a big hand in the destruction of Pakistan cricket to be very honest. I came home that day and read the Articles by NFP and others of his tableegh influence back in the 80s.

I read that he basically started the preaching in the team, and from there it all started

thank goodness saeed ahmed, said good things about misbah, or else you would have slacked off religion and sunnah otherwise or slandered him to no limits :) being so cynical doesnt help :) hope you can learn to be as humble as saeed ahmed :)
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]. HE has been settled in the UK for a very long time. Lived in Mitcham for endless years and has seen hard times too. I had seen him even driving cabs at one stage.
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], mate I am sure we all have had our bad decisions bad moments, but you cannot write off or slander people without acknowledging the fact that people can change :) just like your man salman butt can :) become a better human being :)
Even if he slandered Misbah, it wouldn't had mattered (i would had hid that fact ;) )
To be honest, I was just impressed with his humbleness when he shared dried fruits with us in a mosque. Even at the time of leaving he said he will always cherish this (small) meeting we had.
His kindness really impressed us.

Great read. Which place in Lahore?

This was at Rawal Pindi, he lives in Lahore though. But goes around the country on tableegh missions.
 
I have never seen or heard of Saeed Ahmed expressing any regret or remorse for his selfish behaviour. I freely admit that I am deeply suspicious of people who show off their piety, but still, Saeed Ahmed was a terrible example to the youngsters on the 1971 tour of England.

The only positive is that Imran Khan channelled that into knowing what NOT to copy and what NOT to admire.

I would add that there is an elephant in the room in this thread, and I'm finally going to confront it.

Saeed Ahmed's younger brother Younis Ahmed was a very good batsman in the 1970s at Surrey and Worcestershire.

Yet he doesn't feature in the Test record books from his second Test in 1969 when he was 22 years old to his final (third and fourth) Tests in 1987, when he was almost 40.

This is because in the darkest days of Apartheid, Younis Ahmed (along with John Shepherd) joined a rebel tour to South Africa as the token non-white in 1973. (Twenty six years later Ali Bacher took him to court, but that's another matter).

It's truly fascinating that Saeed Ahmed still speaks with pride about his younger brother. He must see the world in different colours to the rest of us. I've spent a quarter of a century trying to forget about Younis Ahmed.

well so he should show his remorse to you? I am sorry who are you rupert f****g murdoch, the kingpin of media and he has to come to you. What is it that you are expecting. Him getting on his knees, begging to the world that I am sorry I did this about 45 f*****G years ago. I was selfish, that everyone is ina ll honesty including yourself and me!!!! Sadly its just that yours and mine havent been bloody scrutinised by the lens of the media.!!!! be grateful for that.

Come on mate. You cannot judge who is remorseful and who isnt if he hasnt spoken out loud in the public or just because you are suspicious. YOur scepticism isnt the world's barometer to measure people's character

And you dont speak highly of your family, you slander them off in public do you?

You havebeen waching cricket since the 70s, that definitely means you are well above your 40s. Its a shame that people normally grow wiser in that age and acquire wisdom :) Wish you would share that with us so we could learn something useful rather than your rehtoric rant of your personal likes, dislikes and suspicions about certain characters and individuals :)


Not everyone views the world the way you do
 
Really appreciate the kind words everyone.




Though I'm in my very early 20s, but all Misbah fans are alike.
Old fashion :yk




Well in reality, you could say that Saeed Ahmed did played a big hand in the destruction of Pakistan cricket to be very honest. I came home that day and read the Articles by NFP and others of his tableegh influence back in the 80s.

I read that he basically started the preaching in the team, and from there it all started


Even if he slandered Misbah, it wouldn't had mattered (i would had hid that fact ;) )
To be honest, I was just impressed with his humbleness when he shared dried fruits with us in a mosque. Even at the time of leaving he said he will always cherish this (small) meeting we had.
His kindness really impressed us.



This was at Rawal Pindi, he lives in Lahore though. But goes around the country on tableegh missions.

haha glad you enjoyed it :) and glad you mellowed down nowadays :) not arguing blindly with people :) I liek the new you, who is far more polite and respectful :)
 
After Saeed Saab and his group left, we all three autonomously agreed that we would attend the tableegh after Maghrib.


^^^

This the weak mindset who many in Pak . Follow the pied piper instead of doing it from within
 
After Saeed Saab and his group left, we all three autonomously agreed that we would attend the tableegh after Maghrib.


^^^

This the weak mindset who many in Pak . Follow the pied piper instead of doing it from within

I never went to the tableegh for the religious talk and stuff, only went their to meet Saeed Ahmed again
 
haha glad you enjoyed it :) and glad you mellowed down nowadays :) not arguing blindly with people :) I liek the new you, who is far more polite and respectful :)

You cant really judge a person based on online interactions, really hard to do that
 
You cant really judge a person based on online interactions, really hard to do that

never judged you. But always found you to be dismissive of people and too angry at time :) now you dont thats all :)
 
Bump - Saeed Ahmed is 80 years old today!

Not necessarily from the OG XI group but was a class act nonetheless. Partnered with Hanif in that 337 during the Port of Spain test while scoring > 500 runs in the same latter series.

A gem of a human being and a true servant of Pakistan cricket (albeit didn't had much contributions in the long run).
 
I'm re-reading The Unquiet Ones being an avid fan of Pakistan cricket history, and wow what a colourful character Saeed Ahmed was.

Saeed Ahmed had an okay Test average of 40. He made 65 in one of several crucial partnerships with Hanif Mohammad to save that Barbados Test in 1957/58 where Hanif famously scored 337. But that only tells half the story. He had a fondness for partying and his career ended in controversy on the 1972/73 tour of Australia.

Supposedly he had a finger injury ruling him out of the Sydney Test, but team officials felt the real reason was he didn't want to face Dennis Lillee on a green pitch. AH Kardar, PCB Chairman at the time and on tour, life banned him (so that happened even then !) and Saeed never played for Pakistan again.

But what really intrigued me about Saeed Ahmed was a YouTube clip I saw last year of a legends ceremony in 1997 Wills Golden Jubilee tournament celebrating 50 years of independence with Tony Cozier on commentary.

All the Pakistani legends were there from Fazal (who looked still in prime fitness), Hanif, Miandad, Zaheer etc except for Imran. Saeed Ahmed was there too. They rode on horse drawn carriages soaking in the applause of the fans before being received by President Farooq Leghari.

By then, Saeed was a pious member of TJ. When it's Saeed's turn to go up, he's ranting and raving and delivering a full-on sermon ! He wouldn't get off the stage. Farooq Leghari and Majid Khan (PCB CEO) are desperately trying to move him on going "OK OK thank you" :)))

Sadly the clip has been taken down. What a guy and a pleasant surprise to see a thread on him.
 
I'm re-reading The Unquiet Ones being an avid fan of Pakistan cricket history, and wow what a colourful character Saeed Ahmed was.

Saeed Ahmed had an okay Test average of 40. He made 65 in one of several crucial partnerships with Hanif Mohammad to save that Barbados Test in 1957/58 where Hanif famously scored 337. But that only tells half the story. He had a fondness for partying and his career ended in controversy on the 1972/73 tour of Australia.

Supposedly he had a finger injury ruling him out of the Sydney Test, but team officials felt the real reason was he didn't want to face Dennis Lillee on a green pitch. AH Kardar, PCB Chairman at the time and on tour, life banned him (so that happened even then !) and Saeed never played for Pakistan again.

But what really intrigued me about Saeed Ahmed was a YouTube clip I saw last year of a legends ceremony in 1997 Wills Golden Jubilee tournament celebrating 50 years of independence with Tony Cozier on commentary.

All the Pakistani legends were there from Fazal (who looked still in prime fitness), Hanif, Miandad, Zaheer etc except for Imran. Saeed Ahmed was there too. They rode on horse drawn carriages soaking in the applause of the fans before being received by President Farooq Leghari.

By then, Saeed was a pious member of TJ. When it's Saeed's turn to go up, he's ranting and raving and delivering a full-on sermon ! He wouldn't get off the stage. Farooq Leghari and Majid Khan (PCB CEO) are desperately trying to move him on going "OK OK thank you" :)))

Sadly the clip has been taken down. What a guy and a pleasant surprise to see a thread on him.

Very interesting piece of history of Pakistan cricket . Saeed Ahmed has been one of the long list of Pakistan ex-cricketers , who turned out to become Maulvi only after having a totally different life style during their peak years.

Was a very important member of Pakistan's batting in 60s and great servant of Pakistan cricket.
 
Very interesting writeup about that chance encounter with Saeed Ahmad. And definitely very interesting (and colorful!) comments about him as a player and as a human.

I have been following Pakistani cricket since late 1970's. Don't know Saeed's performances directly, but I have studied enough history to know that he was a very accomplished batsman. That match in Bridgetown where he partnered in a century partnership with Hanif, that was his test debut. He scored 500+ in that test series. And continued to score consistently throughout his career. When his test career ended rather unceremoniously on that 1972-73 tour of Australia (I've heard unconfirmed stories that he did not get along with Kardar, and was not only dropped from the Sydney test but also sent home early), he had 2,991 test runs, which (I should confirm this, I know!) was probably second to Hanif's 3,915.

I have heard stories about how unplayable the Aussie attack was then. Lillee was a force. Thompson made his debut in that series, and he was a brute force. And then there was Bob Massie, the spinning turf maestro who'd just demolished England with his 16-137 on his test debut a year earlier. And they had Benaud. Despite that, Pakistan drew the first game, was on track to chase down 292 in Melbourne (don't ask me how I remember this; I don't remember much else!!), and lost the Sydney test by a very close margin. I think under 25 runs.

That story about Imran Khan: funny. Remember, Imran was not a superstar from any angle. Pakistan had not produced a fast bowler since Fazal finished his career almost 10 years earlier. If I recall correctly, the only paceman who took 5wI for them was Asif Iqbal. With Intikhab and Mushtaq, and I think Pervez (???) and Nazir Jr (7 wkts on debut), Pakistan's strength was spin. Imran's job (and Asif Masood's) was to get the shine off of the ball. Just like India and their spin quartet (Bedi, Prasanna, Chandra, Venkat). Imran (I read this in his autobiography) was a "lean gawky 19-year old, with hardly any experience and skills. In the nets, I was once bowling and I don't know how it happened, but I hit someone in the adjoining net!" So, that story about roommates may have some truth to it.

When the team went back home after that 1971 series, Imran decided to stay back, went to Oxford for his studies and played for Sussex. And he built enough of a name that when Pakistan went back to England in 1974, Imran was picked again for that series.

Ahh!!!! Such joy, these trips down memory lane!
 
I still remember that moment. Not often does one get the chance to interact with cricketers of the past.

I met Umar Amin at my club. Have to say from the current lot, he was one of the most humble and mannerly cricketer. Coaches behind his back often say he is a mummy daddy as his father used to come and watch him practise in his early days. But this qoum has a habit of insulting people whose families like to take an interest in their lives and who are well mannered.
 
As a young kid, I went to watch Pakistan v Northants with some friends in 1987 at Bletchley. We saw Imran Khan get out of his sponsored Peugeout. I remember wishing him good luck for the upcoming test match at Headingly and he said ‘Thank You’.
After he had gone to the changing rooms, I went to peek inside his car 😅😅. My excuse is I was a kid and a bit nosey. Anyway, the thing that struck me was his car was quite messy inside and the passenger seat was full of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan cassettes.

PS: Pakistan thrashed England in that test match.
 
Another memory of the next Pakistan tour in 1992. It was another county game we went to watch. Asif Mujtaba was entering the changing rooms carrying a tray with 3 or 4 pints of beer. Some Pakistani (not out group) stopped him and asked why he drank beer ��. A few words were exchanged and Mujtaba ( a little guy) was starting to feel uncomfortable because the fan (a big guy) was in his face and appeared inebriated himself ��. Anyway, there were a few comments thrown like ‘no wonder they can’t play cos they always drunk’ and so on. Luckily, a security guard came to Mujtaba’s rescue and took him inside.

The debate the continued as to who the pints were for. ��
Mujtaba - clearly. Aamir Sohail clearly cos he was seen holding a pint.
 
A story told by my Uncle from the 1974 Pakistan tour. They went to watch a test match at Edgbaston and were looking for autographs outside the changing rooms. Someone in the crowd asked the late, great Wasim Raja - ‘ Yaar - ithay kuggee maar’!
Wasim Raja replied - ‘Thum tho bohat bathameez ho’ and walked away !

For the non Urdu folk - the fan asked him to put a cross on the paper as a signature.
 
Another memory of the next Pakistan tour in 1992. It was another county game we went to watch. Asif Mujtaba was entering the changing rooms carrying a tray with 3 or 4 pints of beer. Some Pakistani (not out group) stopped him and asked why he drank beer ��. A few words were exchanged and Mujtaba ( a little guy) was starting to feel uncomfortable because the fan (a big guy) was in his face and appeared inebriated himself ��. Anyway, there were a few comments thrown like ‘no wonder they can’t play cos they always drunk’ and so on. Luckily, a security guard came to Mujtaba’s rescue and took him inside.

The debate the continued as to who the pints were for. ��
Mujtaba - clearly. Aamir Sohail clearly cos he was seen holding a pint.

Yeah the drinking seemed commonplace in that era. I've seen an old pic of Mushtaq and Sadiq Mohammad having a pint during the 1976-77 tour of Australia.

I guess it changed with players increasingly coming from more conservative smaller towns and villages, and with Pakistan itself undergoing a process of Islamization.
 
Yeah the drinking seemed commonplace in that era. I've seen an old pic of Mushtaq and Sadiq Mohammad having a pint during the 1976-77 tour of Australia.

I guess it changed with players increasingly coming from more conservative smaller towns and villages, and with Pakistan itself undergoing a process of Islamization.

I reckon that culture changed when Inzamam became captain.
 
A story told by my Uncle from the 1974 Pakistan tour. They went to watch a test match at Edgbaston and were looking for autographs outside the changing rooms. Someone in the crowd asked the late, great Wasim Raja - ‘ Yaar - ithay kuggee maar’!
Wasim Raja replied - ‘Thum tho bohat bathameez ho’ and walked away !

For the non Urdu folk - the fan asked him to put a cross on the paper as a signature.

You got it wrong " ithay kuggee maar" meant, "sign it here" , is a funny and crude way of asking to sign , in Punjabi. Don;t know now, but it was quite a common way of asking someone to sign something in Punjabi. .
 
Yeah the drinking seemed commonplace in that era. I've seen an old pic of Mushtaq and Sadiq Mohammad having a pint during the 1976-77 tour of Australia.

I guess it changed with players increasingly coming from more conservative smaller towns and villages, and with Pakistan itself undergoing a process of Islamization.

Players used to be better educated and liberal minded , then things changed and players became more and more uneducated, elementary school drop outs , having a beard became almost must to survive in the team , team has not "recovered " from this backward culture yet. Whole country is going backward.
 
Players used to be better educated and liberal minded , then things changed and players became more and more uneducated, elementary school drop outs , having a beard became almost must to survive in the team , team has not "recovered " from this backward culture yet. Whole country is going backward.

I don’t believe there is any pressure whatsoever for anyone to have a beard to play in the team.
Cricket is no longer a middle class sport in Pakistan and that is the reason why most of our players are not educated. I really hope that the education system in Pakistan improved in Pakistan to improve the literacy rate.

However, at the same time, I am proud of the players for being closer to their religion then the 70s brigade. Remember this ‘educated batch’ won nothing in that era. It’s about finding the right balance where religion is beneficial to your game. It certainly did Inzi and Yousaf no harm. Maybe if Asif and Shoaib were closer to religion, they would not have wasted their careers?
 
I have a question. Sorry if it offends anyone. Does Pakistani fans and people prefer today’s conservative religious players or yesteryears not so conservative players. Some of the youngsters in this forum might have never seen otherwise just they would read how Pakistani players were quiet hip for the time
 
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] Is that you in the picture? Because if so I can swear seeing you before at my old high-school.
 
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I have a question. Sorry if it offends anyone. Does Pakistani fans and people prefer today’s conservative religious players or yesteryears not so conservative players. Some of the youngsters in this forum might have never seen otherwise just they would read how Pakistani players were quiet hip for the time

I don't like the overt display of religiosity and always look wistfully towards the late 70s, early 80s when the Pakistan side was full of mavericks with rockstar personalities like Majid Khan, Mushtaq Mohammad, Imran Khan, Wasim Raja (the biggest rockstar of them all) Sarfraz Nawaz. I'm always fascinated reading stories of captain Mushtaq Mohammad having one-on-one chats with players in the side who were struggling over a pint of beer. Or Sarfraz Nawaz staying out all night and partying and turning up for practice the next day without any sleep.

But my point-of-view is informed by my on point-of-view on life and not being a religious person. And I recognize that at the end of the day its a person's individual choice (and right) to make religion a big or small part of who they are. Whether that's on the field or off the field.

Don't know if that answers your question.
 
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[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] Is that you in the picture? Because if so I can swear seeing you before at my old high-school.

yeh 4, but remember its a 4 year old pic :))

If you could mention your high school name
 
yeh 4, but remember its a 4 year old pic :))

If you could mention your high school name

Roots. We were probably in different sections. I can recall seeing you multiple times in Economics class during A-Levels. I might be wrong though.
 
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