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A sincere question to Indians, what did your government achieve from "Operation Sindoor"?

the Great Khan said:
I read the first line. And then just stopped. Then I forced myself to just skim the rest. Your post is so laughable that it is beneath me to reply to it. I mean just answer one question for me how old are you. Genuine question.
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Sure..can't answer deflect..we all know that...read the swiss report
 
Objectives of the battle
India to hit terror base- achieved
Pak to get IWT reinstated - not achieved
Pak unstated goal to make Kahsmir an international issue -not achieved

Tactical damages

Pak shot down 1-3 jets day 1..did not stop order of battle

India destroyed few jets 3 confirmed on air and ground over entire day.

155 casualties ..confirmed on Pak side per Samaa article.

Other deaths happened on both sides as confirmed by both govt

Strategic gains

India can hit anything in Paksitan and Pakistan cannot defend terror bases or air bases. Result is Pakistan begging for ceasefire.

Pakistan in its current state cannot overcome Indian air defense as there is 0 evidence of any significant damage on India side per nyt wapo and other news channels.

Order of battle

Pak sole claim of victory is downing couple of jets on. Day 1 which didn't stop the battle or result in ceasefire. Ceasefire happened as soon as the pak airbases were hit anywhere in the country. Instant surrender and grateful gratitude shown by sharif and Munir including Nobel prize nomination and thanking Trump for saving lives.

Diplomacy

India achieving massive trade deals with USA and Europe. Building on strong relationship with france Israel and Russia. Pakistan allying with Islamic bangladesh. Existing good relationship neither turkey and China already there before the war. While the world is with India ...Pakistan is reduced to being the chowkidar in Gaza killing fellow Muslims and protecting Israel.
 
finalfantasy7 said:
i did say i was going to post this on (monday just past) - been busy with work and stringing tennis rackets - ill post the video of the actual footage from indian own civillians talking about the downed jets + plus ive already proven by using indian own journalists - regarding the hammering we gave you - all videos confirming mutiple of jets we downed - thr already posted in this thread


but i will post the wrekages coming monday
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So three or six or eight or ten or ..... jets down = India lost ? But 11 Pak Airbases hit means nothing .... is that what your Lahori logic is telling you ?

Straight answer.
 
finalfantasy7 said:
drink apple jiuce mate, not the indian version

china hammered you in the 1960's, and yet the hammering yet again they gave you in the galwan clash = yet india still cant show any prove of (you lot "winning")

you said kashmir is not a matter of dispute = it is, under the UN it is



and whats this got to do with this thread = r u hiding behind the rubbish fake swiss so called report you posted - you thought it was real.
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Good you accepted my statement and now trying to bring in China. Why are you paksitanis like that... pray that Australia defeats us in cricket...first compare umar babar inzy whatever to Sachin and Kohli ..then go to lara ponting and once upon a time Hasim amla..now root is your savior .atleast compare Pak to Inida...don't show such loser mentality..have some cajones to take on India..if you want to compare China and Indja..show me where we said we won in 62...but after that be it Siachen dokalam Sikkim 67 conflict or Arunachal..China didn't achieve anything..status quo has been re-established post galwan.
 
finalfantasy7 said:
i did say i was going to post this on (monday just past) - been busy with work and stringing tennis rackets - ill post the video of the actual footage from indian own civillians talking about the downed jets + plus ive already proven by using indian own journalists - regarding the hammering we gave you - all videos confirming mutiple of jets we downed - thr already posted in this thread


but i will post the wrekages coming monday
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You claimed 8 jets. Show me 8 conclusive evidence from REPUTED MAINSTREAM INDIAN OR INTERNATIONAL media. Not amraam or Pak twittee channels...I will accept 8 evidence officially shown by DGISPR like satellite images or wreckage shared by dgispr. We know 1 to 3 jets crashed...that's not what we are debating. Also when war happens..jets are lost people die..that's not what decides who won..it is based on what objectives were achieved or not achieved

65 - pak started war to get Kahsmir...failed
71- India broke pakistan in half
84- India occupied Siachen
99 - Pak failed to control Kargil and hence lost
Sindoor- india scrapped IWT and hit pak terrorists under full protection of pak air force and army..mission achieved. Hence successful.

In most of these wars..India lost more planes...cos Indian air force took more risk. Let's look at Kargil war. India fought at height under enemy stinger envelope ..so they lost jets . Pak air force stood by and watched its men get killed. That's the difference. You can celebrate cowardice but we celebrate victory often at cost of life.

And you calling swiss report garbage doesn't do anything..if you can tell me you who share amraam doctored videos and fake news ..why those reputed neutral generals and experts are wrong..that would help.

You and others in this thread think making stupid claims without any evidence or just calling any report as fake will pass..but it does not..if you can show what is fake then it helps.
 
straighttalk said:
Good you accepted my statement and now trying to bring in China. Why are you paksitanis like that... pray that Australia defeats us in cricket...first compare umar babar inzy whatever to Sachin and Kohli ..then go to lara ponting and once upon a time Hasim amla..now root is your savior .atleast compare Pak to Inida...don't show such loser mentality..have some cajones to take on India..if you want to compare China and Indja..show me where we said we won in 62...but after that be it Siachen dokalam Sikkim 67 conflict or Arunachal..China didn't achieve anything..status quo has been re-established post galwan.
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yet again, you cant decate, typically sanghis indian, always goes off topic
 
straighttalk said:
Objectives of the battle
India to hit terror base- achieved
Pak to get IWT reinstated - not achieved
Pak unstated goal to make Kahsmir an international issue -not achieved

Tactical damages

Pak shot down 1-3 jets day 1..did not stop order of battle

India destroyed few jets 3 confirmed on air and ground over entire day.

155 casualties ..confirmed on Pak side per Samaa article.

Other deaths happened on both sides as confirmed by both govt

Strategic gains

India can hit anything in Paksitan and Pakistan cannot defend terror bases or air bases. Result is Pakistan begging for ceasefire.

Pakistan in its current state cannot overcome Indian air defense as there is 0 evidence of any significant damage on India side per nyt wapo and other news channels.

Order of battle

Pak sole claim of victory is downing couple of jets on. Day 1 which didn't stop the battle or result in ceasefire. Ceasefire happened as soon as the pak airbases were hit anywhere in the country. Instant surrender and grateful gratitude shown by sharif and Munir including Nobel prize nomination and thanking Trump for saving lives.

Diplomacy

India achieving massive trade deals with USA and Europe. Building on strong relationship with france Israel and Russia. Pakistan allying with Islamic bangladesh. Existing good relationship neither turkey and China already there before the war. While the world is with India ...Pakistan is reduced to being the chowkidar in Gaza killing fellow Muslims and protecting Israel.
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yet you cant prove any of that - pakistan lost jets - loooooooooooooooooool go on and prove it


you didnt hit any bases of ours - hence you got no proof, - no so called pictures, as thr all been edited - you stated you wanted so much prove from me - but yet you cant show the same proof - i wonder why

ive already shown you that your colonel sophie admittig we hit many of your bases
 
uppercut said:
So three or six or eight or ten or ..... jets down = India lost ? But 11 Pak Airbases hit means nothing .... is that what your Lahori logic is telling you ?

Straight answer.
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what are you on = what are you n about 3 /6/8/10 jets down

uppercut you hit zero pakistani bases - hence your show anything, ive already proven this by showing your own defence journalists stating this - stop with the fake edited picture = not pictures - just a picture you tried to show - so where you coming from that you hit 11 - you didnt even hit 1

im not lahori,

remember ive always shown you your colonel sophie admitting we hit every base we went for - she listed them - this was straight at the breifing - where again you admitting you lost jets



hows the fake swiss paid fake report you and @straighttalk listed = as proof = just shows you how pathetic you sanghis are
 
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straighttalk said:
You claimed 8 jets. Show me 8 conclusive evidence from REPUTED MAINSTREAM INDIAN OR INTERNATIONAL media. Not amraam or Pak twittee channels...I will accept 8 evidence officially shown by DGISPR like satellite images or wreckage shared by dgispr. We know 1 to 3 jets crashed...that's not what we are debating. Also when war happens..jets are lost people die..that's not what decides who won..it is based on what objectives were achieved or not achieved

65 - pak started war to get Kahsmir...failed
71- India broke pakistan in half
84- India occupied Siachen
99 - Pak failed to control Kargil and hence lost
Sindoor- india scrapped IWT and hit pak terrorists under full protection of pak air force and army..mission achieved. Hence successful.

In most of these wars..India lost more planes...cos Indian air force took more risk. Let's look at Kargil war. India fought at height under enemy stinger envelope ..so they lost jets . Pak air force stood by and watched its men get killed. That's the difference. You can celebrate cowardice but we celebrate victory often at cost of life.

And you calling swiss report garbage doesn't do anything..if you can tell me you who share amraam doctored videos and fake news ..why those reputed neutral generals and experts are wrong..that would help.

You and others in this thread think making stupid claims without any evidence or just calling any report as fake will pass..but it does not..if you can show what is fake then it helps.
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are you saying indian own media outlets are not reputable ???

as im going to post my info on monday coming, why dont you use your own criteria for your post 2002 = India destroyed few jets 3 confirmed on air and ground over entire day. + 155 casualties ..confirmed on Pak side


ive already shown you that your colonel sophie admittig we hit many of your bases - she stated this in her briefing

iv already shown you from indian own media that your defence journalists crying - that we took down plenty of jets and hit your bases and you didnt hit any of ours - thr all listed on this thread - just go back few pages - n ook just at the posts i link a video.....



What has the bolded part got to with YOUR FAILURE of operation sindoor = nothing,

why are you trying to hide from your failed fake post = so called crediable listing of a fake paid swiss report = you indians paid for a fake report and you osted it on here with @uppercut believing it = what a clown move to make



I'm awaititng your proof = why dont you use your own criteria for your post 2002, cmon, your next pos on this thread is your proving = India destroyed few jets 3 confirmed on air and ground over entire day. + 155 casualties ..confirmed on Pak side
 
finalfantasy7 said:
are you saying indian own media outlets are not reputable ???

as im going to post my info on monday coming, why dont you use your own criteria for your post 2002 = India destroyed few jets 3 confirmed on air and ground over entire day. + 155 casualties ..confirmed on Pak side


ive already shown you that your colonel sophie admittig we hit many of your bases - she stated this in her briefing

iv already shown you from indian own media that your defence journalists crying - that we took down plenty of jets and hit your bases and you didnt hit any of ours - thr all listed on this thread - just go back few pages - n ook just at the posts i link a video.....



What has the bolded part got to with YOUR FAILURE of operation sindoor = nothing,

why are you trying to hide from your failed fake post = so called crediable listing of a fake paid swiss report = you indians paid for a fake report and you osted it on here with @uppercut believing it = what a clown move to make



I'm awaititng your proof = why dont you use your own criteria for your post 2002, cmon, your next pos on this thread is your proving = India destroyed few jets 3 confirmed on air and ground over entire day. + 155 casualties ..confirmed on Pak side
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Indians own reputable media is acceptable if it's anti India.

154 shaheed list has been published by Samaa which is army controlled media channel..they were forced to take it down but Internet never forgets.

Two damaged jets shown in satellite image at bholari. One of them reference by your retired air chief marshall who is extremely patriotic unlike our journalist friend of yours..mr sawhney.
The three numbers come from the swiss report and I'm deliberately ignoring the 6 plus claimed by India as no evidence was shown.

Col Sophia said Pakistan attecked...ofcourse Paksitan fired missiles bombs etc at India..some damage has been done too ..she mentioned it was negligible...but no startegic damage was done...runaways aircrafts weapons depot radars s400...if they were Chinese satellites would have picked it up and shared it with you. There is no way we can hide that sort of damage...same way we shared actual damage in 11 of your airbases and some were out of commission until Nov of last year. Even your PM Sharif who was copying Modi in visiting the air force base stood on a tank on a grass ..imagine. Why would some one stand on a. Grass..at least stand on the runway...
 
finalfantasy7 said:
are you saying indian own media outlets are not reputable ???

as im going to post my info on monday coming, why dont you use your own criteria for your post 2002 = India destroyed few jets 3 confirmed on air and ground over entire day. + 155 casualties ..confirmed on Pak side


ive already shown you that your colonel sophie admittig we hit many of your bases - she stated this in her briefing

iv already shown you from indian own media that your defence journalists crying - that we took down plenty of jets and hit your bases and you didnt hit any of ours - thr all listed on this thread - just go back few pages - n ook just at the posts i link a video.....



What has the bolded part got to with YOUR FAILURE of operation sindoor = nothing,

why are you trying to hide from your failed fake post = so called crediable listing of a fake paid swiss report = you indians paid for a fake report and you osted it on here with @uppercut believing it = what a clown move to make



I'm awaititng your proof = why dont you use your own criteria for your post 2002, cmon, your next pos on this thread is your proving = India destroyed few jets 3 confirmed on air and ground over entire day. + 155 casualties ..confirmed on Pak side
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Ok I shared evidence from four places

Samaa tv..your channel
Your retired air chief marshall
Indian satellite images
Swiss report.

Now here is a simple ask..you claimed that the swiss report is paid for by India. Ok show me evidence . You can check that the swiss org was established way back and it comments on all conflicts aside from India-;pak. See here is the problem ...you only share lies doctored images videos ai generated slop which are juvenile and frankly embarrassing for you as easily called out ..you make accusations but have nothing to show. So go ahead..this is another example of your lies.
 
straighttalk said:
Ok I shared evidence from four places

Samaa tv..your channel
Your retired air chief marshall
Indian satellite images
Swiss report.

Now here is a simple ask..you claimed that the swiss report is paid for by India. Ok show me evidence . You can check that the swiss org was established way back and it comments on all conflicts aside from India-;pak. See here is the problem ...you only share lies doctored images videos ai generated slop which are juvenile and frankly embarrassing for you as easily called out ..you make accusations but have nothing to show. So go ahead..this is another example of your lies.
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so you have no proof, why are you here, stop being a clown
 
straighttalk said:
Indians own reputable media is acceptable if it's anti India.

154 shaheed list has been published by Samaa which is army controlled media channel..they were forced to take it down but Internet never forgets.

Two damaged jets shown in satellite image at bholari. One of them reference by your retired air chief marshall who is extremely patriotic unlike our journalist friend of yours..mr sawhney.
The three numbers come from the swiss report and I'm deliberately ignoring the 6 plus claimed by India as no evidence was shown.

Col Sophia said Pakistan attecked...ofcourse Paksitan fired missiles bombs etc at India..some damage has been done too ..she mentioned it was negligible...but no startegic damage was done...runaways aircrafts weapons depot radars s400...if they were Chinese satellites would have picked it up and shared it with you. There is no way we can hide that sort of damage...same way we shared actual damage in 11 of your airbases and some were out of commission until Nov of last year. Even your PM Sharif who was copying Modi in visiting the air force base stood on a tank on a grass ..imagine. Why would some one stand on a. Grass..at least stand on the runway...
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bolded part - she says indian bases got hit, ive already shows around 4 indian journalists at sites confirming indian bases got hit - your own media


typical indian you write everything off topic, you cant even prove anything......... stay on topic
 
finalfantasy7 said:
so you have no proof, why are you here, stop being a clown
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Let the record shows this person doesn't know how to read and can't show evidence that the swiss report is paid for. Deflection won't work..proof has been shared from your sources or irrefutable satellite images..not amraam video shenanigans like you do...what is funny is that guy sounds like a school kid ...so much for your sources
 
straighttalk said:
Let the record shows this person doesn't know how to read and can't show evidence that the swiss report is paid for. Deflection won't work..proof has been shared from your sources or irrefutable satellite images..not amraam video shenanigans like you do...what is funny is that guy sounds like a school kid ...so much for your sources
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ive got proof, ive got 3 american fighter pilots discussing the crappy indian parade including them talking about this fake paid swiss report.

ive told wait till monday coming,
finalfantasy7 said:
as im going to post my info on monday coming, why dont you use your own criteria for your post 2002 = India destroyed few jets 3 confirmed on air and ground over entire day. + 155 casualties ..confirmed on Pak side
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cmon show us the bolded part, everyone is waiting
 
uppercut said:
The problem is the pig juice that you are on ... as I told you I will keep out abusing and insulting you . .... until you stop



Mr. Madrassa chaap jihadi ...how do you know the swiss report is fake ?
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read my above post on the fake paid swiss report....
 
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finalfantasy7 said:
ive got proof, ive got 3 american fighter pilots discussing the crappy indian parade including them talking about this fake paid swiss report.

ive told wait till monday coming,

cmon show us the bolded part, everyone is waiting
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Please show us evidence from whatever video you shared that the swiss report org or the guys writing are paid by India...not discussion on the report.
 
straighttalk said:
Please show us evidence from whatever video you shared that the swiss report org or the guys writing are paid by India...not discussion on the report.
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on monday, ive told,


now show your evidence of you downing pakistan jets, 150 dead pakistan soilders, 11 army bases being struck

or have you been drinking the " indian apple juice "
 
finalfantasy7 said:
ive got proof, ive got 3 american fighter pilots discussing the crappy indian parade including them talking about this fake paid swiss report.

ive told wait till monday coming,

cmon show us the bolded part, everyone is waiting
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Here is you air marshall in an interview with your own channel admitting to an AWACS hit at bholari...see at time 24:15s.


Also he is Paksitani patriot..makig false claims about how PAF damaged Indian aircrafts..funnily he mentions martin baker listed three ejections...you can go and check that martin baker didn't list any ejections in that period...but oh well it's expected he will lie for Paksitan but he admitted that bholari got an AWACS.

The bholari hangar satellite image shows a f16 damaged below the big gaping hole ..you can draw your own conclusions. Image link is here as I can't attach in PP


Zoomed in images available online will show the f16 right below the hole in the roof.

Finally the swiss report shows three jets down for IAF and three for PAF. As long as your ar unable to show evidence that India paid for the report..it's a report from a prestigious neutral org and stands...you can share similar report from non Pak non Chinese sources too.

And lastly the Samaa report was taken down .it was discussed here too in PP but here is an archived link for you.



Do you have such satellite images of damages done on 1 Indian airbase, s400 and Brahmos depot as you claimed.

Also show the money that India paid that swiss group . 🤣
 
uppercut said:
Tag me if you EVER get a straight sensible answer to that simple question :ROFLMAO:
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I think other than Patriot ...rest of the PP folks are either sharing fake news ..deliberately or just gullible as heck and/or they think that by denying they might be believing their govt ..not sure to the extent they even get any news considering how they are in a military junta and used to believe they are winning Kargil war and 1971...at this point these idiots don't think twice before sharing debunked videos of jaishankar or cds, doctored ai videos and don't think why dgispr is not making these claims but third rate twitter channel not even their own media. They don't think why can't our govt show any satellite images of all the damages they do...they don't think why Samaa had to remove the list....the only honest person is khwajs Asif...their army is handicapped.. 🤣 😂
 
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Credit to Swiss thinktank that they have pointed out the Paf losses and there after propaganda war by pak.

"Moreover, the PAF has long-standing links with part of the Anglo-Saxon specialised press, which facilitates the dissemination of key messages to a limited but influential segment of Western public opinion".
 
Vikram1989 said:
Credit to Swiss thinktank that they have pointed out the Paf losses and there after propaganda war by pak.

"Moreover, the PAF has long-standing links with part of the Anglo-Saxon specialised press, which facilitates the dissemination of key messages to a limited but influential segment of Western public opinion".
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They are paid by Indians and fake news.
 
During operation Sindoor Pakistan suffered heavy losses due to sorties by IAF..... these heavy losses could have been brought in front of the world by some Pakistani youtubers, however after operation Sindoor, these youtubers vanished. They aren't traceable.
 
Look guys. Im getting old and tired. So you know what you win. The IAF isnthe greatest air force ever. They never lose aircraft, they are never shot down. Everyone thinks they are amazing. The bollywood movies are a real.depiction. bechara PAF is no match for the super powered genetically enhanced indian pilot. You destroyed ten jf17's 19 j10's and all of our mirages. Happy now??
 
Vikram1989 said:
Credit to Swiss thinktank that they have pointed out the Paf losses and there after propaganda war by pak.

"Moreover, the PAF has long-standing links with part of the Anglo-Saxon specialised press, which facilitates the dissemination of key messages to a limited but influential segment of Western public opinion".
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if the swiss thinktank was correct in your opinion, please show us the losses
 
straighttalk said:
Ok I shared evidence from four places

Samaa tv..your channel
Your retired air chief marshall
Indian satellite images
Swiss report.

Now here is a simple ask..you claimed that the swiss report is paid for by India. Ok show me evidence . You can check that the swiss org was established way back and it comments on all conflicts aside from India-;pak. See here is the problem ...you only share lies doctored images videos ai generated slop which are juvenile and frankly embarrassing for you as easily called out ..you make accusations but have nothing to show. So go ahead..this is another example of your lies.
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have you shown the so called 11 pakistani bases which got attacked?

you believed the paid swiss think tank report = they stated pakistan lost jets? can you please prove this = considering even your iaf briefing didnt even mention you took any jets down and no journalist has listed this.
 
uppercut said:
Absolutely not ... because she mentions 1 to 3 jets being shot down ... which is why I asked that question.




So you won the war despite 11 bases being pounded ? Is that what you are trying to say?
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where have you been hiding, im still waititng on the so called proof, you spouted the same nonsense at @straighttalk, ive just asked him the same below question:

have you shown the so called 11 pakistani bases which got attacked?

you believed the paid swiss think tank report = they stated pakistan lost jets? can you please prove this = considering even your iaf briefing didnt even mention you took any jets down and no journalist has listed this.
 
the Great Khan said:
Look guys. Im getting old and tired. So you know what you win. The IAF isnthe greatest air force ever. They never lose aircraft, they are never shot down. Everyone thinks they are amazing. The bollywood movies are a real.depiction. bechara PAF is no match for the super powered genetically enhanced indian pilot. You destroyed ten jf17's 19 j10's and all of our mirages. Happy now??
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IAF 6 jets downed but where are the proofs?
Is it in social media as per your defence minister or all proofs taken by aliens 😄 😂
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
According to BJP leader Subramanian Swamy, five jets were downed. :inti

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Yes acc to him..was he in the cockpit..or on the ground or he has private information ..it's his opinion...India has a lot of people with vested interest .opinion of him Rahul modi Praveen does not matter unless they show some evidence .. other wise it's just his opinion. If he said he has seen IAF comm or DGMO told him ..then his opinion has some value because he runs the risk of being taken to court for lying
 
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Yes acc to him..was he in the cockpit..or on the ground or he has private information ..it's his opinion...India has a lot of people with vested interest .opinion of him Rahul modi Praveen does not matter unless they show some evidence .. other wise it's just his opinion. If he said he has seen IAF comm or DGMO told him ..then his opinion has some value because he runs the risk of being taken to court for lying
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Yeah, he is saying it without any proof. It's just his personal opinion. He is not even a significant figure in the BJP. So why didn't anyone sue him for lying yet? Matlab kuch bhi? :inti
 
globetrotter said:
You are simply like Raga, when he didn't find any reply then he makes personal allegations on Modiji
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You are pretty dumb. I shared Swamy's interview, your job was simply to prove him wrong. Instead, you did nothing but cry and go "RaGa, RaGa", "Modi, Modi". Jaa, kisi khairati hospital mein apna ilaaj karwa apna warna bahut maar khayega tu. :yk :inti
 
finalfantasy7 said:
where have you been hiding, im still waititng on the so called proof, you spouted the same nonsense at @straighttalk, ive just asked him the same below question:

have you shown the so called 11 pakistani bases which got attacked?
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Already done in Post# 1837 and 1978 right on this thread. Perhaps the better question is .... what will YOU accept as evidence ?

finalfantasy7 said:
you believed the paid swiss think tank report = they stated pakistan lost jets? can you please prove this = considering even your iaf briefing didnt even mention you took any jets down and no journalist has listed this.
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Prove it that they were paid off by India to produce a fake report ... go ahead. Ohh wait ... it is fake because YOU said soo ?? how old are you ? :facepalm:
 
Human786 said:
No bhakt has yet answered:

[a] Why did a 3rd party, Trump/USA, announce the ceasefire on 10th May 2025? & ...

Since India presumably had the upper hand during the brief offensive, what terms and conditions did he impose on Pakistan while agreeing to the ceasefire ?
c @BouncerGuy @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @The Bald Eagle @DeadlyVenom
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
You are pretty dumb. I shared Swamy's interview, your job was simply to prove him wrong. Instead, you did nothing but cry and go "RaGa, RaGa", "Modi, Modi". Jaa, kisi khairati hospital mein apna ilaaj karwa apna warna bahut maar khayega tu. :yk :inti
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Don't give empty threats like opposition party.... you are very similar to RAGA
 
Human786 said:
No bhakt has yet answered:

[a] Why did a 3rd party, Trump/USA, announce the ceasefire on 10th May 2025? & ...

Since India presumably had the upper hand during the brief offensive, what terms and conditions did he impose on Pakistan while agreeing to the ceasefire ?
c @BouncerGuy @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @The Bald Eagle @DeadlyVenom
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This has been answered ... you pretending that it has not been is entirely your problem.
 
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uppercut said:
Already done in Post# 1837 and 1978 right on this thread. Perhaps the better question is .... what will YOU accept as evidence ?



Prove it that they were paid off by India to produce a fake report ... go ahead. Ohh wait ... it is fake because YOU said soo ?? how old are you ? :facepalm:
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this is why your a sanghis, none of those any proof that 11 pak bases were hit - none show any proof
 
BouncerGuy said:
GUYS, NO PERSONAL REMARKS NOW
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Human786 said:
No bhakt has yet answered:
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how many times does this have to be answered ?

Human786 said:
[a] Why did a 3rd party, Trump/USA, announce the ceasefire on 10th May 2025? & ...

Since India presumably had the upper hand during the brief offensive, what terms and conditions did he impose on Pakistan while agreeing to the ceasefire ?
c @BouncerGuy @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @The Bald Eagle @DeadlyVenom
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What was the Conditions of surrendered agreed to by Modi since according to you he surrendered ?
 
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Yeah, he is saying it without any proof. It's just his personal opinion. He is not even a significant figure in the BJP. So why didn't anyone sue him for lying yet? Matlab kuch bhi? :inti
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Why hasn't Pakistan sued iaf chief for saying 12 jets of PAF was destroyed ...he didn't provide any proof beyond. The f16 at bholari and the AWACS..so by your logic you agree that it is the truth ...Swami was not sued because it's his opinion...you can't sue unless you say that IAF has said this or he has seen PAF evidence etc etc ..he is just saying he know or thinks 6 jets are down..he is a civilian..butt hurt of being rejected by BJP leadership...so there it is. If he shows down evidence or provides a concrete source ..then we can say it is true or sued for lying
 
finalfantasy7 said:
this is why your a sanghis, none of those any proof that 11 pak bases were hit - none show any proof
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At this point I think the evidences are censored in yourarmy controlled media...else its all over international media. Sometimes I wonder if you are this ill informed or just a troll...but if your news is curated and you only believe in class 7 kids channels amraam..nothing much can be done with people with your know how. I don't mean it as an insult .living. Under a military junta makes you information and knowledge starved ..in a better world you will be more well informed. Anyhow here is the the link


From nyt..four bases covered by their independent satellite images

And here is the link from indian military satellites...note the level of evidence provided...no Godzilla YouTube audio..just satellite images showing before and after damage...clear as day...try getting some Chinese satellite images in future instead of relying on class 7 YouTube channels.


And this has the video with the 11 hits satellite images





Also as you are a known fraudster...you cannot say these are Indian media . First the images are from maxar and also shared by NYT. Second of Indian media shared it..you can definitely try to prove that the images are fake if you have evidence but not take the cope out of paid media.


While we are there... We are still waiting for two things from you

Evidence of s400 and Brahmos downed ..clear visual evidence from either pak satellite Chinese satellite mainstream media or dgispr evidences not claims.

6 jets downed....clear evidence from any of the above sources...no Twitter feed allowed.


And EVIDENCE THAT THE SWISS REPORT WAS PAID ..

everyone is waiting for the fraudster to show these evidences...
 
Human786 said:
No bhakt has yet answered:

[a] Why did a 3rd party, Trump/USA, announce the ceasefire on 10th May 2025? & ...

Since India presumably had the upper hand during the brief offensive, what terms and conditions did he impose on Pakistan while agreeing to the ceasefire ?
c @BouncerGuy @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @The Bald Eagle @DeadlyVenom
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So let me ask you if this party announcement means India surrendered...why doesnt it mean Paksitan surrendered. It's Paksitan pm and Munir thanking Trump for saving their country and nominating him for Nobel prize and even accepting to be the chowkidar for Israel. That doesn't look like someone who didn't want the ceasefire because they were winning.

And now comes to the bolded part. India achieved three things with sindoor-

Kill terrorists and show they have nowhere to hide in Paksitan

End IWT

Ensure Kashmir doesn't become an international issue and India doesn't get into a long war

All objectives achieved..so why not do ceasefire ..what else would we achieved...bomb some more airbases...risk nuclear war..get into an unnecessary war and tank our economy fighting with a beggar..we have a lot to lose...Pakistan has nothing to lose...hence hit pak..take negligible damage..end war and move on . Clear deterrence established...look at Pakistan now...blaming India for balochistan and Islamabad attacks but don't have the power or the guts to take on india..reduce to impotency...same thing happens to India..Pak will be reduced to rubble..that's what we achieved at low cost.

Now let's accept your logic...Pak has the upper hand. So what did pak achieve.

Is iwt restored?
Is India taking to Paksitan?
Is Kashmir internationalized
Will it stop India from punishing Paksitan in future if another pahalgam happens
Is Indian economic growth reduced.


Who said IWT is act of war...so what happened to that?
 
straighttalk said:
At this point I think the evidences are censored in yourarmy controlled media...else its all over international media. Sometimes I wonder if you are this ill informed or just a troll...but if your news is curated and you only believe in class 7 kids channels amraam..nothing much can be done with people with your know how. I don't mean it as an insult .living. Under a military junta makes you information and knowledge starved ..in a better world you will be more well informed. Anyhow here is the the link


From nyt..four bases covered by their independent satellite images

And here is the link from indian military satellites...note the level of evidence provided...no Godzilla YouTube audio..just satellite images showing before and after damage...clear as day...try getting some Chinese satellite images in future instead of relying on class 7 YouTube channels.


And this has the video with the 11 hits satellite images





Also as you are a known fraudster...you cannot say these are Indian media . First the images are from maxar and also shared by NYT. Second of Indian media shared it..you can definitely try to prove that the images are fake if you have evidence but not take the cope out of paid media.


While we are there... We are still waiting for two things from you

Evidence of s400 and Brahmos downed ..clear visual evidence from either pak satellite Chinese satellite mainstream media or dgispr evidences not claims.

6 jets downed....clear evidence from any of the above sources...no Twitter feed allowed.


And EVIDENCE THAT THE SWISS REPORT WAS PAID ..

everyone is waiting for the fraudster to show these evidences...
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what the hell did you list,

https://archive.ph/zNfaP - doesnt show 11 bases being hit, shows so called pictures - which you know as much as me - both sides images have been doctered by AI, the sarghoda air base is beinh the mountain - you need to understand that the brahmos missle flies low - it cannot manoeuvre at that speed up and down the mountain - as its a hypersonic... you really need to start looking at evidence of what hypeprsonic missle - especially the brahmos can actually do if you believe that it the sarghoda air base - honestly you need help


when you look at the 2nd and 3rd links - again the building structure is fake as anything, and the rest of images are showing that your crap brahmos hit a runway - this is why i say your not all thr - its a runway a airbase (dont you know the difference)
 
Indian Army recovers likely Rafale fighter jet wreckage in Aklia village near Goniana Mandi, Bathinda.Witnesses reported seeing the plane flying unusually low before it crashed into the harvested wheat fields.As some locals approached the burning wreckage, a powerful explosion occurred, killing a farm worker on the spot and injuring others.A local resident claimed that the pilots safely ejected and landed near Ganga village, about 5-6 kilometers from the crash site.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1921545800011669765




How many Rafale are down sir? Answer; In combat you take losses and then switched the answer.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921572839540343148
 

HAS AN INDIAN RAFALE BEEN LOST TO PAKISTAN?​



Above guy is a ex french pilot for the french air force - this video just fouces on the first night we attacked you



Strong proof India defeated Pakistan: Chinese weep, world stunned!​



Above video your own indian mp in admitting you got absolutely hammered - this is after the ceasefire



Pravin Sawhney evaluates what's happened so far in Op. Sindoor & likelihood of further escalation​




Your own journalists admitting you got annihilated
 
BREAKING: NEW and much clearer footage of debris of the Rafale-exclusive M88 engine spotted again in Bathinda, India.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921632460095332519


Above is neautral american journalist



Revealing: CNN report on Indian denial of losing any fighter jets to Pakistani Air Force.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921546023060607259




BREAKING: Wreckage of Indian Su-30MKI fighter jet, likely shot down by the Pakistan Air Force on May 7th, found in Akhnoor, India. We assume this is the Russian AL-31FP engine, developed specifically for the Indian Air Force Su-30MKIs.More confirmation will follow.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921603692567867785
 
5 Indian soldiers killed, 6 injured at Bhaderwah-Chamba road. Kashmiri sources say, theye were killed in ambush. India says it was a road accident.


https://twitter.com/x/status/2014263764116500734



NEW footage claiming to show last moments of Indian Air Force Rafale fighter jet crashing after it was shot down Pakistani fighter jets in Bathinda, India.It appears MICA short to medium-range air-to-air missile ignited upon impact to the ground.The pilot also deployed flares before crashing down.Second video from another angle at the same spot shared on May 7.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921606596083298784




BREAKING: Indian journalist claims live on TV to have proof of three Rafale jets downed by Pakistan.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1922562197911134695
 
1st PAF J-35 starts flying: Big News? | PAF PL-15 failed against Rafale


Above video just to show you the lies regarding this listed pl-15 failed = watch around 3min 30secs + 4min 55 to the end shows you some damage we did to you, shows video proof + indian own news headlines, confirming damed indian jets we downed



The REAL TRUTH About Pakistan and India’s Historic DOGFIGHT AIR BATTLE!​



Another american journalist - confirming we hammered you - he even uses your own media against you




The SHOCKING Truth About WAR Between India and Pakistan!​




same above american journalist , adding more info, used indian own media - agrees we hammered you
 

How Pakistan’s PL-15 Missiles Crushed India | Operation Sindoor [Fighter Pilot Reacts]​




He agrees we annihilated you,



Pakistan Claims Five Kills in the Largest Air Battle in Modern History vs India​



Another american fighter pilot, discussing we downed your jets



RAFALE SHOT DOWN? ANALYSIS / DEBUNK OF PAKISTAN'S CLAIM​



That ex french fighter pilot - discussing pakistan iaf briefing - he does conclude we took down many jets
 

IAF shot down JF-17, F-16, Saab 2000 | HT Report Analysis | Pak-India War Analysis​




Uses your own indian media - confirming many damages we did to you




Huge Package for PAF F-16 | India destroyed Pak YLC-8 Radar | Satellite Imagery Analysis​



Satelite image proof, we hit your s400 radar




PAF Won! Indian Chief of Defence Staff Admitted | Why Pak not giving Satellite Imagery?​



Your own chief admits we won
 

India Hacked PAF J-10C Radar? | Indian Drone fooled Pakistani Jets: EXPOSED | AM Raad​





More proof off the jets and air base damaed we did to you



Pakistan buying more Mi-35: Bad Decision? | Indian 2nd Interview: PAF vs IAF Updates​



Anul Chauhan on bloomberg live interview - admitting we took down your rafael + at around 6min 40 your own sikh journalist admites we hit your panthokot air base




Pakistan hit Udhampur Base: Satellite Imagery | PAF beat IAF Mirage 2000's Secret Mission​



Proof we hit your mirage 2000, at 2min 12 your own media confirming you hit your own helicopter + around 5 min more proof at the mirage 2000 we downed + around 6min 5secs your own media + around 7min 10 - washngton posts admitting we downed 2 french jets mirage 2000 + rafael + 7min 38 your own media admits we hit pathankot and later on says we hit snrinaggar / sirsa airbase / rajouri airbase
 

Fatah-1/2 vs S-400 | Udhampur Satellite imagery Analysis | Indian S-400 Damaged: International Media​




1min 10 more prrov of the s400 radar we hit + 3min 30 your own media confirm your s400operator rambabu singh died in this hit + 4min 30 shows your own media showing the hits we did on your bases + 6.58 another internation media report confirming we hit many of your bases




Rafale Controversy: Dassault CEO Blasts Pakistan’s Downing Claims​





American fighter pilot confirming that you lot lied, we took dow your rafael



250 India-Pak Casualties: Massive Updates | IAF Rafale Failure: France accuses China | AM Raad​



Proof that your own media confirming 250 of your own soldiers died from us hitting yuor bases and colonel sophie was grilled hard in a recent meeting due tot his
 

PAF shot 4 IAF Rafale, Air Chief confirmed | IAF Jaguar Crash: 15+ Crash in 3 Months​





at 1.05 mark - neautral journalist confirming we took down many of your rafaels, 1.25 more proof of jets down, 3.25 your own media confirming jets and airbases have been hit, 4.03 shows iaf ineptness = had nothing to do with this conflict, just wanted to add this in



Pak Rocket Strikes Failed? Ajit Dovel | Op Bunyan ul Marsoos Proofs | Pak-China vs Doval Doctrine​



at 1.40 shows your own media journalists around 15 confirming that hits we did to you and that you got owned by us . 4.30 more proof of downed jets, 4.40 our own farmes shooting down your drones lol ... 5.28 your own colonel sophie admitting we hit many bases... 8.30 towards your own journalist admits we hiit your panthankot airbase and many more



Exclusive Talks with Ex-IAF Officer | Pak-India Clash 2025 & Future | Ft. Fl Lt. Harjeet Singh​



whole video is your own ex iaf harmeet singh, confirming the lies by iaf and indian media
 

Pakistan's Win Over India - U.S. Congress Report​



whole video shows you the americans confirming we battered you



International Media Applauds Pakistan’s Military Response Against India​



Title says it all



US Congress Report on PAF vs S-400​



watch at 3.32 report shows we hit your s400 radar



IAF Searcher Drone Crashed bcz of Pakistani EW? | Mysterious case of IAF Crash 24nmi near border​



Title says it all
 

US report mentions Pakistan’s ‘military success’ over India in May conflict​


www.brecorder.com

US report mentions Pakistan’s ‘military success’ over India in May conflict

- Pakistan used Chinese weapons to down French Rafale fighter jets used by India, says report submitted to US Congress
www.brecorder.com




Indian General warns Failed Invasion of Pakistan | 4 Pak Weapon Layers against invasion​






Janes report on Possible Pak Hypersonic Weapon | Russian Analyst on PAF vs S-400, Indo- Russia Issue​


 

PAF Chief, 1st time on secret strikes in India | Pak Drones for Rwanda | Rwanda Military Chief visit​






Amritsar Airbase: New Satellite Imagery shocks everyone






Op Sindoor: S-400 shot down 5 Pakistani jets, confirms IAF Chief | #shorts #airforce #india


above video must be you, no evidence shown - i wonder why
 

Satellite Images of PAF/Pak Army Op Released | Huge Damage to Indian Air Bases | Defence Outpost​






Indian Air Bases got Struck | Satellite Imagery Analysis | Defence Reactions​





IAF Meteor Missile Wreckage Found​


 

France Reveals How PAF Shot Down Rafales During India Pakistan War | Pravin Sawhney Analysis​






India Shot Down Its Own Aircraft | During Op Sindoor | Defence Reactions​





'Pakistan military is continuously attacking our western border'- Colonel Sofiya Qureshi​





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India Show Pakistan AWACS shot down | Is it really true or a lie again? | Defence Reactions​





Indian Col Sophia under Fire! | India angry for accepting Damages at 4 Air Bases!​





New Video of Indian Jet Shot Down by Pakistan | Defence Reactions​



 

Desperate India Claims Oper. Sindoor ‘Victory’ Quoting Swiss Think Tank Report | Dr. Amarjit Singh​






Operation Sindoor: IAF Achieved Air Superiority Over Pakistan — Swiss Think Tank Analysis​





250 Indian Soldiers KIA against Pakistan | Big Expose | Pakistan thrashed Indian Force in Op Sindoor​


 

India Failed to Hit PAF Base Sargodha | Indian Defence Expert Says | Defence Reactions​



above at 2.20 your own defence journalist - admits that you embarrased yourselves - you shot down your own down - its the helicopter i referred earlier on ----- rest of video shows you why you didnt hit kirana air base as its right behind the mountain (my previous post above i said sagodha - i meant kirana) - also shows you a fools guide on your your brahmos missles flies far too low and cannot manuever above the mountain to hit the base



Indian Accepting J-10C Killed Rafale





Reacting to Visuals of All Indian Jets Shot Down On 07 May | Defence Reactions​




clearly shows 7 of your jets downed, by your own indian sources lol , its just one of them where the geleote which cannot be deemed as factual





France Refuses to Share Source Code for Rafale Jets! $7 Billion Blow To India. DRDO was Right​




added this for fun, has nothing to do with the coflict, shows you that the french dont trust you, they wont give you the source code for the rafael - its very limited without this and those extra rafaels you bought (massively overpriced) = are all junk = might as well and start to ingrave in them incoming pl-15 / pl-17 :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
finalfantasy7 said:
what the hell did you list,

https://archive.ph/zNfaP - doesnt show 11 bases being hit, shows so called pictures - which you know as much as me - both sides images have been doctered by AI, the sarghoda air base is beinh the mountain - you need to understand that the brahmos missle flies low - it cannot manoeuvre at that speed up and down the mountain - as its a hypersonic... you really need to start looking at evidence of what hypeprsonic missle - especially the brahmos can actually do if you believe that it the sarghoda air base - honestly you need help


when you look at the 2nd and 3rd links - again the building structure is fake as anything, and the rest of images are showing that your crap brahmos hit a runway - this is why i say your not all thr - its a runway a airbase (dont you know the difference)
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So NYT has doctored images...ok then what do you want me to do stand there with you while India bombs...good lord...there is a limit or stupidity..anyhow please show how the swiss report was paid by India..
 
finalfantasy7 said:

Desperate India Claims Oper. Sindoor ‘Victory’ Quoting Swiss Think Tank Report | Dr. Amarjit Singh​






Operation Sindoor: IAF Achieved Air Superiority Over Pakistan — Swiss Think Tank Analysis​





250 Indian Soldiers KIA against Pakistan | Big Expose | Pakistan thrashed Indian Force in Op Sindoor​


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I have clearly said show evidence form reputed sources...not from you tube channels...hai koi reputed sources like NYT WAPO BBC even I will accept Paksitani channels if they show evidence ...your crap channel images or videos are not even carried by your mainstream media like Samaa Geo Dawn etc.
 
finalfantasy7 said:
what the hell did you list,

https://archive.ph/zNfaP - doesnt show 11 bases being hit, shows so called pictures - which you know as much as me - both sides images have been doctered by AI, the sarghoda air base is beinh the mountain - you need to understand that the brahmos missle flies low - it cannot manoeuvre at that speed up and down the mountain - as its a hypersonic... you really need to start looking at evidence of what hypeprsonic missle - especially the brahmos can actually do if you believe that it the sarghoda air base - honestly you need help


when you look at the 2nd and 3rd links - again the building structure is fake as anything, and the rest of images are showing that your crap brahmos hit a runway - this is why i say your not all thr - its a runway a airbase (dont you know the difference)
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What does the pictures show..damage to either runway hangar radar stations weapons depot or aircraft in case of Bholari.

So what other evidence do you need other than their party satellite images and actual before and after images.

Airbase has four imp structures runway hangar radar and weapons depot. In the images either runway or hangar or in some cases radars were hit. That's critical damage enough to stop operation. No wonder Munir ran to papa trump to beg for ceasefire...operation manhoos ended in 4 hrs... 🤣 😂...radars switched off as per social media handicap army Khwaja Asif...


Did you mean like The entire airbase was wiped away from face of earth...were you thinking we are claiming that.
 
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