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A sincere question to Indians, what did your government achieve from "Operation Sindoor"?

uppercut said:
spot on as always. And this has been going on from previous wars ... its the same reason why they claim victory in the 71 war because of jet count lol ... it appears that according to them Warfare = Dog fight and jet counts. This is the only explanation why EVERY single Pak poster or even some reputed analysts make these juvenile claims. :ROFLMAO:
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LMAO. @uppercut is talking to himself. :yk :inti
 
Devadwal said:
Video unavailable means posted from Pakistan Fake Propaganda factory. No thanks 🤣🤣🤣 :klopp :kp
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try this : but its the same boolsheet ... Trump ney bola aur Modi ne surrender kiya ... Parliament mey maine challenge kiya Modi did not say anything against trump in parliament yada yada

 
uppercut said:
spot on as always. And this has been going on from previous wars ... its the same reason why they claim victory in the 71 war because of jet count lol ... it appears that according to them Warfare = Dog fight and jet counts. This is the only explanation why EVERY single Pak poster or even some reputed analysts make these juvenile claims. :ROFLMAO:
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History is not decided by who shouts the loudest or who drops more bombs, it is decided by consequences and global reaction. That is what determines who actually had the upper hand and who ultimately won. In 1971, Bangladesh emerged as a sovereign state. That outcome settled the debate, not the scale of bombing.

The same principle applies today. When a country is forced to rush diplomats across the world to contain outrage from its own diaspora, and when some representatives are reduced to hiding, that alone tells you how the world is reading the situation. International reaction is not noise; it is the verdict.

If this framework feels alien, it’s because justifying mass slaughter in the name of religion requires abandoning moral accountability and refusing to accept outcomes. That is why you, and the rest of the Hindutva crowd, cling to the same image on repeat, before sleep and after waking, because engaging with reality would collapse the narrative instantly.
 
HalBass9 said:
History is not decided by who shouts the loudest or who drops more bombs, it is decided by consequences and global reaction. That is what determines who actually had the upper hand and who ultimately won. In 1971, Bangladesh emerged as a sovereign state. That outcome settled the debate, not the scale of bombing.

The same principle applies today. When a country is forced to rush diplomats across the world to contain outrage from its own diaspora, and when some representatives are reduced to hiding, that alone tells you how the world is reading the situation. International reaction is not noise; it is the verdict.

If this framework feels alien, it’s because justifying mass slaughter in the name of religion requires abandoning moral accountability and refusing to accept outcomes. That is why you, and the rest of the Hindutva crowd, cling to the same image on repeat, before sleep and after waking, because engaging with reality would collapse the narrative instantly.
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in other words you still got no backbone yet to answer the simple question on why Muslims deliberately chose to desecrate sacred Hindu beliefs in India despite many centuries of attempts by Hindus to resolve this thru civilized means and most importantly why are you fighting for "rights" of such to practice their bigotry in the first place ?

Come back when you developed the requisite fortitude to provide straight answer that question. I will wait. till then keep reading this post in a loop till you find a way to break out of it which will only happen IF AND WHEN coward jihadi's like you grow a backbone to answer that question.​
 
uppercut said:
in other words you still got no backbone yet to answer the simple question on why Muslims deliberately chose to desecrate sacred Hindu beliefs in India despite many centuries of attempts by Hindus to resolve this thru civilized means and most importantly why are you fighting for "rights" of such to practice their bigotry in the first place ?

Come back when you developed the requisite fortitude to provide straight answer that question. I will wait. till then keep reading this post in a loop till you find a way to break out of it which will only happen IF AND WHEN coward jihadi's like you grow a backbone to answer that question.​
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I'm fighting for the right for people to live and not slaughter over your beliefs.
 
HalBass9 said:
I'm fighting for the right for people to live and not slaughter over your beliefs.
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But normal people don't go around deliberately desecrating sacred beliefs of others in India and keep at it for centuries, Thats squarely in the animal behavior territory.

And before you decide to abuse your keyboard ... read my previous post# 1848 over and over again and comeback IF AND WHEN you have developed enough backbone to answer the questions posed in that post. I will wait.
 
uppercut said:
But normal people don't go around deliberately desecrating sacred beliefs of others in India and keep at it for centuries, Thats squarely in the animal behavior territory.

And before you decide to abuse your keyboard ... read my previous post# 1848 over and over again and comeback IF AND WHEN you have developed enough backbone to answer the questions posed in that post. I will wait.
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Normal people don't go around killing people over their beliefs unless its ISIS, KKK, Nazi or Hindutva.
 
HalBass9 said:
Normal people don't go around killing people over their beliefs unless its ISIS, KKK, Nazi or Hindutva.
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Answer is in post# 1850


And before you decide to abuse your keyboard ... read my previous post# 1848, 1850, over and over again and comeback IF AND WHEN you have developed enough backbone to answer the questions posed in that post# 1848. I will wait.
 
uppercut said:
How is that working out so far for PAF ? Found any evidence yet of your missiles making a direct hit on the targets that they were aimed yet without fizzling out as duds and completely intact for Indian Military to decode ?




Can you show me one single credible source to backup the above highlighted claim in your post ?




If all of that is true ( and you also claim in another post that IAF was "grounded" ) ... then how is it that all of the damage shown in the videos below happened ? Either the videos are fake (or someone else other than IAF did all of that). Add to that Zero evidence of any major damage on Indian Air bases given that you think its just as simple as "lobbing a few missiles over". Both statements cannot be true at the same time so which is it ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAs3QmRifyw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WuBL4xseK
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JkD9Texrlrs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abXsMSqeaIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdqPYLCX7GE
https://x.com/Duorope/status/1939652850461876282


(there is more if you need)





I suppose these guys should "sit down" too ?


https://smallwarsjournal.com/2025/0...se-reform-must-match-the-speed-of-modern-war/ --> John Spencer a top US Militrary professional says India’s military action was a overwhelming success
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J8Xya9brEo --> Michael Rubin former Pentagon official says Pak ran away scared !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzrflQPLH_E --> Pakistani defense analyst commentary on the War ( and India bought receipts to back their win )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-PQQTXrZyU --> Pakistani defense analyst commentary on the Brahmos Problem that Pak faces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpYTsTWEWA --> Tom cooper on How IAF shattered PAF

here is the most damning ones and the last one is from one of your own ... who probably needs to sit down too ehh ?

https://youtu.be/XIyrvsi1nTw?si=7fjE_WP6kHoMmjgL&t=2574 --> John Kiriakou : Pak can never win a war against India
https://youtu.be/ZPcz6RWz_Eo?si=DTKpFdBLu3CW_i9E&t=669 --> John Kiriakou I wipe my a$$ ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2PocPj8lBU&t=1110s --> Pak Cannot last for more than 2 weeks in a war against India - Haider Mehdi
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All of them should sit down. We would finish you're clown airforce within 24 hours. Every single one of your great useless pilots would be burnt on a pyre. You have no idea what happened to your force. Let me spell it out for you.

Your ultimate best of the best fighters fly the Raphael. Full stop. They showed up, spun their guns and then died. The SU30 is a sitting duck. The mirage and mig29 are flying turkeys. I am not chest thumping. Maybe in a few years it will be different. But as of right now there is nothing the IAF can do that would surprise us.

Now does that mean in a future engagement we won't lose any aircraft? Of course not but I am.confident in saying even if we lose some aircraft , the damage that will be done to the IAF will be so severe you'll be wishing Hanuman would appear and save them.

Now another thing. Europeans and pro Europeans will never admit to what happened. Why would they?? The pinnacle of european aircraft technology lies in tatters in kashmir and east punjab. Your comms are insecure. I suspect you dont even know how insecure. The Americans are not interested in helping you much but just sucking money out of you. Russian tech is compromised because the Chinese have hacked it to pieces. Also.its performance in the battlefield is 50:50. Maybe worse. You do not have an integrated network. No real system. You dont have enough planes or awacs.

If you pick a fight with the Chinese they will finish you in hours. Not days but hours. We shattered you in 4 hours. 4.

And finally every western intelligence agency and military intelligence analyst has briefed their superiors. What was the result? The Americans fast tracked their next gen bvr systems and are looking to upgrade their other systems. The Europeans shat themselves. Panic denial and now the realisation they are outgunned. They are also doubling defence spending.

The best thing for India to do now is to leverage its economic strength with the brics group, make peace with Pakistan and China and join a antinwestern economic trading block.

You are not Isreal. We will be dealing with that genocidal entity in due course. So yes, sit down child. To avoid further embarrassment.
 
uppercut said:
spot on as always. And this has been going on from previous wars ... its the same reason why they claim victory in the 71 war because of jet count lol ... it appears that according to them Warfare = Dog fight and jet counts. This is the only explanation why EVERY single Pak poster or even some reputed analysts make these juvenile claims. :ROFLMAO:
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No. Wars are now won by operational and tactical advantage. Like always. One way of achieving this is the element of surprise. Another is ensuring you have a technological advantage that allows for the element of surprise and tactical advantage. Having a credible airforce allows you to ensure you can use both of the above.

A powerful airforce means you can take out strategic sites before the enemy knows whats hit them. You can punch holes into an enemies defences and then wipe out ground forces , command and control and logistics.

The 8-0 was a statement. It was to show the enemy that if they go further , things will get very messy.

So lets imagine in a future war the IAF is given the task of eliminating the PAF. So attacking our air bases and destroying our airforce assets. How far do you think these "godzillas" will get? They die. All of them. And whom will protect your armoured strike columns? The PAF will wipe out all of your c and c assets in the next few hours. Then your supplies and logistics. You will be forced to either surrender or go nuclear.

Luckily your senior officers know this and are not as stupid as some of you teenagers. This is not a game. Millions of lives are at stake. That is why the PAF held back. And the IAF got the message. They are all warriors and understand things. You on the other hand need to grow up a lot more before you understand what this all means.
 
HalBass9 said:
You don’t need to convince any Indian here, especially the ones who type in dramatic ‘…..’ like it’s Morse code, and genuinely think slaughtering people over religion is some kind of ancestral family heirloom.

The rest of the world was convinced.
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They are fools and that is why they will lose everything next time. If you see in 2019 we were very restrained. We could have finished their so-called Asian raptor legend in hours but it would have been seen as an escalation and the yanks would have been displeased.

But every engagement just gets worse for them. Our restraint is now reducing. Once we get the j35 with a new awacs and new bvr system. Coupled with Turkish EW equipment and Saudi money to help with logistics, who will they turn to? Trump? Putin? The euros? The only danger to us now are their missiles because missile defence is very difficult. But we have no real threat from.the IAF anymore. That is simply a fact.

It will take them 5 to 10 years to rebuild a system. Test it. And then bring it on live. By then the world will have moved on.

I predict they will move straight to unmanned uavs and their air jockeys will be left for patrol duties and bollywood films. They cannot project strategic strength but can be used tactically. That reduces the threat to us.
 
the Great Khan said:
All of them should sit down. We would finish you're clown airforce within 24 hours. Every single one of your great useless pilots would be burnt on a pyre. You have no idea what happened to your force. Let me spell it out for you.
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You mean like Sqdn Ldr Usman ? How many Indian pilots did you take down ?

the Great Khan said:
Your ultimate best of the best fighters fly the Raphael. Full stop. They showed up, spun their guns and then died. The SU30 is a sitting duck. The mirage and mig29 are flying turkeys. I am not chest thumping. Maybe in a few years it will be different. But as of right now there is nothing the IAF can do that would surprise us.

Now does that mean in a future engagement we won't lose any aircraft? Of course not but I am.confident in saying even if we lose some aircraft , the damage that will be done to the IAF will be so severe you'll be wishing Hanuman would appear and save them.
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I repeat again ... if IAF is such a useless force ... how do you explain those videos in my previous post and why does PAF not have anything similar to backup your big talk ... if your explanation is that its no big deal to lob a few missiles. I see you dodged that inconvenient question.


the Great Khan said:
Now another thing. Europeans and pro Europeans will never admit to what happened. Why would they?? The pinnacle of european aircraft technology lies in tatters in kashmir and east punjab. Your comms are insecure. I suspect you dont even know how insecure. The Americans are not interested in helping you much but just sucking money out of you. Russian tech is compromised because the Chinese have hacked it to pieces. Also.its performance in the battlefield is 50:50. Maybe worse. You do not have an integrated network. No real system. You dont have enough planes or awacs.
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And the Chinese are Saints ? lol


the Great Khan said:
If you pick a fight with the Chinese they will finish you in hours. Not days but hours. We shattered you in 4 hours. 4.
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Ohh yeah ? Found any real evidence of what was shattered ? See my previous post on how evidence looks and feels like.

the Great Khan said:
And finally every western intelligence agency and military intelligence analyst has briefed their superiors. What was the result? The Americans fast tracked their next gen bvr systems and are looking to upgrade their other systems. The Europeans shat themselves. Panic denial and now the realisation they are outgunned. They are also doubling defence spending.

The best thing for India to do now is to leverage its economic strength with the brics group, make peace with Pakistan and China and join a antinwestern economic trading block.

You are not Isreal. We will be dealing with that genocidal entity in due course. So yes, sit down child. To avoid further embarrassment.
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Any approx ETA on when that even is going to happen ?
 
RexRex said:
More plausible explanation is .. they didn't hold back anything. PAF were scared.
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Only children think this way. There is no scared once you've taken out the cream of your opponents airforce. There are strategic calculations, and geopolitics to worry about. Escalation is in nobodies interest. Every sane actor understands this.
 
the Great Khan said:
Only children think this way. There is no scared once you've taken out the cream of your opponents airforce. There are strategic calculations, and geopolitics to worry about. Escalation is in nobodies interest. Every sane actor understands this.
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Whatever. I think Pak got spooked by the fact that ten of their airbases were hit and they had no idea how to respond.
 
the Great Khan said:
No. Wars are now won by operational and tactical advantage. Like always. One way of achieving this is the element of surprise. Another is ensuring you have a technological advantage that allows for the element of surprise and tactical advantage. Having a credible airforce allows you to ensure you can use both of the above.

A powerful airforce means you can take out strategic sites before the enemy knows whats hit them. You can punch holes into an enemies defences and then wipe out ground forces , command and control and logistics.

The 8-0 was a statement. It was to show the enemy that if they go further , things will get very messy.

So lets imagine in a future war the IAF is given the task of eliminating the PAF. So attacking our air bases and destroying our airforce assets. How far do you think these "godzillas" will get? They die. All of them. And whom will protect your armoured strike columns? The PAF will wipe out all of your c and c assets in the next few hours. Then your supplies and logistics. You will be forced to either surrender or go nuclear.

Luckily your senior officers know this and are not as stupid as some of you teenagers. This is not a game. Millions of lives are at stake. That is why the PAF held back. And the IAF got the message. They are all warriors and understand things. You on the other hand need to grow up a lot more before you understand what this all means.
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Talk is cheap ... the reality is that Kirana Hills and the Sargodha runway were two of the last few targets that IAF Struck with precision in broad daylight on May 10th. You want to explain how this can be achieved when you make big claims that IAF was grounded on Day 1, and that we got no real integrated AD and most of our jets are junk and many other khayali pulaavs
 
uppercut said:
Answer is in post# 1850


And before you decide to abuse your keyboard ... read my previous post# 1848, 1850, over and over again and comeback IF AND WHEN you have developed enough backbone to answer the questions posed in that post# 1848. I will wait.
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Abusing anyone who support mass slaughter of human over religion, just as many abuse ISIS, KKK, Nazi and Hindutva.
 
HalBass9 said:
Abusing anyone who support mass slaughter of human over religion, just as many abuse ISIS, KKK, Nazi and Hindutva.
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read my previous post# 1848, 1850, over and over again and comeback IF AND WHEN you have developed enough backbone to answer the questions posed in that post# 1848. I will wait.
 
uppercut said:
read my previous post# 1848, 1850, over and over again and comeback IF AND WHEN you have developed enough backbone to answer the questions posed in that post# 1848. I will wait.
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It doesn't answer anything about why it is justified to slaughter human over religion.
 
HalBass9 said:
It doesn't answer anything about why it is justified to slaughter human over religion.
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Again key operative word being HUMAN. Doesn't apply . Want to break the dead lock ? answer questions in post# 1848

so read my previous post# 1848, 1850, over and over again and comeback IF AND WHEN you have developed enough backbone to answer the questions posed in that post# 1848. I will wait.
 
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