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A sincere question to Indians, what did your government achieve from "Operation Sindoor"?
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What he is claiming about Modi not clarifying in Parliament about whether he stopped the war due to US pressure.
here is the evidence:
And as far as Rahul Gandhi is concerned ... there is a reason why is labelled as a Pappu. A few of the bonafide lowlife trolls
on PP have more credibility than him
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LMAO. @uppercut is talking to himself.spot on as always. And this has been going on from previous wars ... its the same reason why they claim victory in the 71 war because of jet count lol ... it appears that according to them Warfare = Dog fight and jet counts. This is the only explanation why EVERY single Pak poster or even some reputed analysts make these juvenile claims.
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Video unavailable means posted from Pakistan Fake Propaganda factory. No thanks
try this : but its the same boolsheet ... Trump ney bola aur Modi ne surrender kiya ... Parliament mey maine challenge kiya Modi did not say anything against trump in parliament yada yada
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spot on as always. And this has been going on from previous wars ... its the same reason why they claim victory in the 71 war because of jet count lol ... it appears that according to them Warfare = Dog fight and jet counts. This is the only explanation why EVERY single Pak poster or even some reputed analysts make these juvenile claims.
History is not decided by who shouts the loudest or who drops more bombs, it is decided by consequences and global reaction. That is what determines who actually had the upper hand and who ultimately won. In 1971, Bangladesh emerged as a sovereign state. That outcome settled the debate, not the scale of bombing.
The same principle applies today. When a country is forced to rush diplomats across the world to contain outrage from its own diaspora, and when some representatives are reduced to hiding, that alone tells you how the world is reading the situation. International reaction is not noise; it is the verdict.
If this framework feels alien, it’s because justifying mass slaughter in the name of religion requires abandoning moral accountability and refusing to accept outcomes. That is why you, and the rest of the Hindutva crowd, cling to the same image on repeat, before sleep and after waking, because engaging with reality would collapse the narrative instantly.
in other words you still got no backbone yet to answer the simple question on why Muslims deliberately chose to desecrate sacred Hindu beliefs in India despite many centuries of attempts by Hindus to resolve this thru civilized means and most importantly why are you fighting for "rights" of such to practice their bigotry in the first place ?
Come back when you developed the requisite fortitude to provide straight answer that question. I will wait. till then keep reading this post in a loop till you find a way to break out of it which will only happen IF AND WHEN coward jihadi's like you grow a backbone to answer that question.
Come back when you developed the requisite fortitude to provide straight answer that question. I will wait. till then keep reading this post in a loop till you find a way to break out of it which will only happen IF AND WHEN coward jihadi's like you grow a backbone to answer that question.
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I'm fighting for the right for people to live and not slaughter over your beliefs.
But normal people don't go around deliberately desecrating sacred beliefs of others in India and keep at it for centuries, Thats squarely in the animal behavior territory.
And before you decide to abuse your keyboard ... read my previous post# 1848 over and over again and comeback IF AND WHEN you have developed enough backbone to answer the questions posed in that post. I will wait.
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Normal people don't go around killing people over their beliefs unless its ISIS, KKK, Nazi or Hindutva.
Answer is in post# 1850
And before you decide to abuse your keyboard ... read my previous post# 1848, 1850, over and over again and comeback IF AND WHEN you have developed enough backbone to answer the questions posed in that post# 1848. I will wait.
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All of them should sit down. We would finish you're clown airforce within 24 hours. Every single one of your great useless pilots would be burnt on a pyre. You have no idea what happened to your force. Let me spell it out for you.
Your ultimate best of the best fighters fly the Raphael. Full stop. They showed up, spun their guns and then died. The SU30 is a sitting duck. The mirage and mig29 are flying turkeys. I am not chest thumping. Maybe in a few years it will be different. But as of right now there is nothing the IAF can do that would surprise us.
Now does that mean in a future engagement we won't lose any aircraft? Of course not but I am.confident in saying even if we lose some aircraft , the damage that will be done to the IAF will be so severe you'll be wishing Hanuman would appear and save them.
Now another thing. Europeans and pro Europeans will never admit to what happened. Why would they?? The pinnacle of european aircraft technology lies in tatters in kashmir and east punjab. Your comms are insecure. I suspect you dont even know how insecure. The Americans are not interested in helping you much but just sucking money out of you. Russian tech is compromised because the Chinese have hacked it to pieces. Also.its performance in the battlefield is 50:50. Maybe worse. You do not have an integrated network. No real system. You dont have enough planes or awacs.
If you pick a fight with the Chinese they will finish you in hours. Not days but hours. We shattered you in 4 hours. 4.
And finally every western intelligence agency and military intelligence analyst has briefed their superiors. What was the result? The Americans fast tracked their next gen bvr systems and are looking to upgrade their other systems. The Europeans shat themselves. Panic denial and now the realisation they are outgunned. They are also doubling defence spending.
The best thing for India to do now is to leverage its economic strength with the brics group, make peace with Pakistan and China and join a antinwestern economic trading block.
You are not Isreal. We will be dealing with that genocidal entity in due course. So yes, sit down child. To avoid further embarrassment.
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No. Wars are now won by operational and tactical advantage. Like always. One way of achieving this is the element of surprise. Another is ensuring you have a technological advantage that allows for the element of surprise and tactical advantage. Having a credible airforce allows you to ensure you can use both of the above.spot on as always. And this has been going on from previous wars ... its the same reason why they claim victory in the 71 war because of jet count lol ... it appears that according to them Warfare = Dog fight and jet counts. This is the only explanation why EVERY single Pak poster or even some reputed analysts make these juvenile claims.
A powerful airforce means you can take out strategic sites before the enemy knows whats hit them. You can punch holes into an enemies defences and then wipe out ground forces , command and control and logistics.
The 8-0 was a statement. It was to show the enemy that if they go further , things will get very messy.
So lets imagine in a future war the IAF is given the task of eliminating the PAF. So attacking our air bases and destroying our airforce assets. How far do you think these "godzillas" will get? They die. All of them. And whom will protect your armoured strike columns? The PAF will wipe out all of your c and c assets in the next few hours. Then your supplies and logistics. You will be forced to either surrender or go nuclear.
Luckily your senior officers know this and are not as stupid as some of you teenagers. This is not a game. Millions of lives are at stake. That is why the PAF held back. And the IAF got the message. They are all warriors and understand things. You on the other hand need to grow up a lot more before you understand what this all means.
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More plausible explanation is .. they didn't hold back anything. PAF were scared.
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They are fools and that is why they will lose everything next time. If you see in 2019 we were very restrained. We could have finished their so-called Asian raptor legend in hours but it would have been seen as an escalation and the yanks would have been displeased.
But every engagement just gets worse for them. Our restraint is now reducing. Once we get the j35 with a new awacs and new bvr system. Coupled with Turkish EW equipment and Saudi money to help with logistics, who will they turn to? Trump? Putin? The euros? The only danger to us now are their missiles because missile defence is very difficult. But we have no real threat from.the IAF anymore. That is simply a fact.
It will take them 5 to 10 years to rebuild a system. Test it. And then bring it on live. By then the world will have moved on.
I predict they will move straight to unmanned uavs and their air jockeys will be left for patrol duties and bollywood films. They cannot project strategic strength but can be used tactically. That reduces the threat to us.
You mean like Sqdn Ldr Usman ? How many Indian pilots did you take down ?
I repeat again ... if IAF is such a useless force ... how do you explain those videos in my previous post and why does PAF not have anything similar to backup your big talk ... if your explanation is that its no big deal to lob a few missiles. I see you dodged that inconvenient question.
And the Chinese are Saints ? lol
Ohh yeah ? Found any real evidence of what was shattered ? See my previous post on how evidence looks and feels like.
Any approx ETA on when that even is going to happen ?
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Only children think this way. There is no scared once you've taken out the cream of your opponents airforce. There are strategic calculations, and geopolitics to worry about. Escalation is in nobodies interest. Every sane actor understands this.
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Whatever. I think Pak got spooked by the fact that ten of their airbases were hit and they had no idea how to respond.
Talk is cheap ... the reality is that Kirana Hills and the Sargodha runway were two of the last few targets that IAF Struck with precision in broad daylight on May 10th. You want to explain how this can be achieved when you make big claims that IAF was grounded on Day 1, and that we got no real integrated AD and most of our jets are junk and many other khayali pulaavs
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Abusing anyone who support mass slaughter of human over religion, just as many abuse ISIS, KKK, Nazi and Hindutva.
read my previous post# 1848, 1850, over and over again and comeback IF AND WHEN you have developed enough backbone to answer the questions posed in that post# 1848. I will wait.
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It doesn't answer anything about why it is justified to slaughter human over religion.
Again key operative word being HUMAN. Doesn't apply . Want to break the dead lock ? answer questions in post# 1848
so read my previous post# 1848, 1850, over and over again and comeback IF AND WHEN you have developed enough backbone to answer the questions posed in that post# 1848. I will wait.
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Kirana hills has nothing of value and that was a missile that went off target. These are not khayali pulaavs.
Ok explain this to me then child. Your raphaels had meteors. They had top cover from SU 30's. Yet not a single missile was fired by your bollywood pilots. Why?
Also not a single Pakistani aircraft was downed by your supernatural s400 that has missiles from heaven. Why?
Why was your airforce grounded for more than 48 hours?? Your own chief admitted it. On tv.
No. The reality is this. And you can like it or not. It doesnt matter.
1) in 54 years you have not shot down a single PAF fighter. Simple fact.
2) you no longer dominate the bvr environment. We do. End of story. Fact
3) your brahmos is a good system. But it is one system. It did minor damage that did not effect Pakistan at a strategic level. You cant seem to grasp this fact.
4) your airforce is dominated by 3rd or 4th gen aircraft. It is old and decrepit. It cannot fight a modern war. Simple fact.
5) you do not have a domain centric multi domain system architecture to combat China or Pakistan. Within the next 5 to 10 years Bangladesh will also dominate you in this area.
6) you cannot control the skies so you cannot fight an aggressive preemptive war that you can launch at a time and place of your choosing. You can defend your borders yes. But nobody really wants to invade India and inherit such a vast set of problems.
7) you are so far behind , you dont even realise. Once 5th gen aircrafts and drones are introduced into south asia you won't last more than a few hours.
8) finally nobody wants to fight a war with you. What they want is for you to put a lid on the myth of hindu nationalism and act like a civilised country. End of.
You still dont believe what your own senior officer was saying. I cant help you. Some people are either too young, or too stupid. Or both.
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What you think is irrelevant. There are people that think the earth is flat. They also go on forums and say " I think". Your opinion is completely irrelevant. And the reason for that is the subsequent change in the geopolitical environment. There is a reason all.of this has happened. Do you know the US knew what was going on because they could see it happening. In real time. They monitor this stuff to ensure there isnt a nuclear exchange. They know. The euros know too. The Russians and Chinese know too. Your opinion on this issue matters as much as modis loata...
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What is the subsequent change in the geopolitical environment you are referring to ?
Who told you this? lol. The Brahmos is not yet integrated with Rafale. so All Brahmos inflicted damage done mostly by the SU 30s.
Again who told you this ? You seem to believe a lot in fairytals's for a grown up. This has been confirmed thru OSINT sources. Further circumstantial evidence is in the form of the 11 bullseye hits which cannot happen without significantly degrading your AD systems ... understand kiddo ?
Whether or not Kirana Hills + Sargoda ( and a whole bunch of other bullseye hits shown in videos in my previous posts ) had anything of value or not isn't the point. The point is WHO and HOW did that in broad daylight and those were the last shots fired in the war. So how did that happen considering that IAF was grounded ? You seem to be indulging in all sorts of gymnastics other providing a straight answer to that question. So Mr. Grown up come back when you have enough intestinal fortitude to answer that question.
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DELUSIONAL poster
show us the proof at the pakistani jets shot down.
ive already proven the jets we shot down of yours - ive already use your own journalists reporting these 6 downed jets
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@uppercut - go to the dubai tejas thread, ive just asked an update on the investigation of the crash - would love to see you squirm and post some crap
you are a idiotic poster. And ? Two can play this game of hurling insults. You think only you can be obnoxious ?
No you have not.
So is this when you will respond with your usual juvenile beef posts ?
The first thing you might want to do is learn how to engage in a serious debate. Stop quoting me if you cannot.
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Drink apple juice, not that indian version, causing you problems
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hahahahhhhahahahaa you scared
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Well its quite clear no? Prior to sindoor asim munir was seen as just another dictator and very dodgy character in the wider geopolitical situation. The Americans were still confident that the indian military could handle both Pakistan and China. There was a clear idea that the Pakistan military could be neutered. Its economy could be restricted. Iran had to be cut down to size and so did Pakistan. Trump likes strong men. Thats simply a fact. Munir managed to portray himself as a strong man and the success of the PAf allowed him to do so. At the same time the use of Chinese weapons has given Pakistan the "battle proven" certification it requires to sell its wares. And we have seen how this has magnified. Secondly the pact with saudi and now turkey. Prior to sindoor there was no chance of that. Also the Chinese are now willing to provide weapons practically free on massive long term deals because we can battle test them. Pakistan is now seen as a credible military power. Thats the change. And I could go on. Now that doesnt mean I like Munir. I hate his guts but just stating the matter of fact change.
Finally the arabs now officially see the Pakistan military as a credible actor and hence the desire for pacts and defence. On the flip side the indian military is now seen in a very negative way. The French were panicking. Europe have really come out looking quite weak.the Americans no longer trust Modi. And see him as pro Russian and weak against China and Pakistan.
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Oh dear. OK. So let me explain some basics to you.
1) when I said not a single missile was fired I meant a bvr anti aircraft missile. None were fired. Complete and utter failure. What's worse is your spectra suite completely failed. We're heard this was the pinnacle of European anti bvr warfare. Complete dud.
2) the Brahmos is integrated with your Su30's but the initial damage on the first night was from scalp and non brahmos missiles that were fired by the Raphael. There is a suggestion that a brahmos was launched by a SU30 too but there is no confirmation. It was shot down anyway. The majorty of Brahmos were fired by the army from surface to surface batteries.
3) there is zero evidence of any iaf shoot downs of paf aircraft. Zero. None. If the iaf had shot down an aircraft they would be acting like giddy school girls and would be presenting the evidence for the next 100 years. Not to forget the 1000 movies that would be made. Also the name of the pilot who would retire and become a superstar. With billions in contracts and bollywood contracts. So no. The PAF didnt lose a single aircraft in the air. Now if you say we did just show me a video taken by a Pakistani. Because the aircraft would not have landed in India. So prove it.
4) as i mentioned it happened in broad daylight because they were fired by surface to surface mobile platforms that are hard to take out. Not fired by
the air force.
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I want you to read what you wrote again and think about it. Chinese are giving you free weapons so that you can battle test them isn’t a statement that’s outright in Pakistan’s favour lol. It’s more like Pakistan is willing to do a huge favour to Chinese defence R&D for offering itself to India as a punching bag in response. We also like to do some R&D for ourselves or for our suppliers.
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Feel sorry for your suppliers BJ, Your air force let them down big time. Despite having unquestionable superiority over the rivals. I think your govt needs to work more on skill developments of your military personnel.
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Bro sometimes you win and sometimes you learn. But losing some jetties was only a part of the whole show. We had great success overall.
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O just like brother Rizwan,
What will you accept as evidence to prove that was not the case and that most of the damage on the last day was done from surface launched missiles ?
Sorry I meant Air launched missiles ( air-to-ground )
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I will accept any evidence from an independent source that shows your aircraft fired a meteor at PAF aircraft. Ill even take some IAF evidence similar to what the PAF produced. E.g. electronic signatures, visual evidence like videos etc.
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Bro still spreading same Fake Propaganda by Pakistan Fake Propaganda factory? . Kab tak exposed karu yar
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Jee Jee bilkul.. aik dum fake video hai 100 takkaBro still spreading same Fake Propaganda by Pakistan Fake Propaganda factory? . Kab tak exposed karu yar
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How about your own DGISPR ?
“Continuing its naked aggression, India some time back has fired air-to-surface missiles with its jets. PAF Nur Khan base, PAF Murid base and Shorkot base were targeted,” he stated.
Link: https://tribune.com.pk/story/254498...on-three-paf-airbases-all-assets-safe-dg-ispr
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"Ill even take some IAF evidence similar to what the PAF produced. E.g. electronic signatures, visual evidence like videos etc."
Above one is the funniest part after minister showed the proofs on social media
and few others ran away from yalda hakim show . Even now there is no satellite image .the Great Khan
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Your not listening. I dont mind acknowledging the attacks that occurred on the first night. Because after that all of the perpetrators died. I am talking about a bvr air to air missile. How many were fired by the IAF.? Simple question.
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Are you mentally a five year old? Seriously. You indian trolls get worse every generation. Do you have visual evidence of the firing of a bvr air to air missile by the IAF and confirmation of the downing of any PAF aircraft??"Ill even take some IAF evidence similar to what the PAF produced. E.g. electronic signatures, visual evidence like videos etc."
Above one is the funniest part after minister showed the proofs on social media
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You are trying to reason with people who are working off a script!!
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True. And their silence speaks volumes.
I know you would say that ... the link is from May 10th conference and it also clearly states what the targets were ... read it again.
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The rest the world is now looking at JF17 as a credible fighter and wants to do deals after May success... and here they are, mugs who have been proven to be wrong time and time again, but unashamedly still reading fictional scripts. This is the daily telegraph from yesterday.
The Pakistani Thunder fighter jet air forces are lining up to buy
After excelling in combat, the JF-17 flies off shelves, giving Islamabad’s export industry a major boost
www.telegraph.co.uk
I get it @Devadwal / @uppercut (and the other variants), it's a hard cope for you but surely common sense has to kick in at some point.
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Did you find evidence for the 36 Indian airbases that were targeted yet ? Let me know the timestamp where that evidence is presented in that video.
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@uppercut watch the video, not like you do anything other than post rubbish on every thread , watch the video its not even long,
you didn't cry did you and turned it off - bet you did
post the exact timestamp from that video where YOU think there is credible evidence from neutral sources that I can look at and confirm. Something tells me you will now resort to insults in lieu of that. Go ahead lets see what you got.
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watch the whole video, its crucial, as the guy doesnt list it in 1 place, he shows partly in many different places while showing your defence analyst (is a neutral source) on call to journalists screaming that we annihilated you lot .
when you watch it, you can make notes to your fellow sanghis to let them know....
I already know that you've watched the video, you just stopped at the point when you saw your own defence analyst crying on that call - you indians are really butthurt people
I will NOT watch it until and unless you tell me the EXACT TIMESTAMP ON that video where you think the clinching evidence from neutral analysts can be seen. What seems to be the issue in just providing the timestamp ? Perhaps deep down you know there is nothing that will qualify as proper evidence ?
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ive told you, he doesnt listed it once, he talks over many parts of the video, he's cunning on how he has doen this video,
your defence analyst is shouting crying at a journalist - that we hammered you and modi begged for help....
Post me the most important timestamp that has the most important evidence according to YOU
your defence analyst is shouting crying at a journalist - that we hammered you and modi begged for help....
And ? I got Pakistani AND Amreeki AND other non-indian defense analysts saying the opposite ... but difference is they talk with satellite images. So showtime .... where is the exact timestamp on that video where irrefutable clinching evidence is being presented ?
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the whole video is - as it shows everything in correct order - its more like a story being filmed in the correct order.
its not long, you would off watched it by now, but your messing around in other threads getting ripped apart thr
watching the video
Let me make this very simple for you :
Does it have satellite images from reputed neutral sources like Maxar as evidence to backup the claims made by your military about having destroyed Indian Airbases? A Simple Yes/No answer and if Yes the timestamp.
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The rest the world is now looking at JF17 as a credible fighter and wants to do deals after May success... and here they are, mugs who have been proven to be wrong time and time again, but unashamedly still reading fictional scripts. This is the daily telegraph from yesterday.
The Pakistani Thunder fighter jet air forces are lining up to buy
After excelling in combat, the JF-17 flies off shelves, giving Islamabad’s export industry a major boost
I get it @Devadwal / @uppercut (and the other variants), it's a hard cope for you but surely common sense has to kick in at some point.
Same person is writing multiple but related articles. Every time quoting random sources. Creating a loop of self citations. Is there no editorial oversight
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This is exactly called paid fake propaganda . Ye chooran khi or bechna
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All good and dandy but last I know
Paksitan sent delegation led by Bhutto...care to explain why per your own logic
Your failed marshall has reported to duty when summoned by his boss thrice.
Your minister was crying for advanced arms as Chinese arms were ineffectual
Your pm has publicly thanked Trump for saving millions of Pakistani lives..what else do you need..he is on record saying that trump saved millions of lives..I don't think he cares about Indian kafirs
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We do have to admit dgispr has got it's priorities right and has go the propaganda part figured out...
Same person is writing multiple but related articles. Every time quoting random sources. Creating a loop of self citations. Is there no editorial oversight
Put fake journalist everywhere.
Spread random stories about 6 jets down
Self cite
Let the YouTube and twitter bots quote Reuters
No one has any evidence any picture any video
Just let someone say it's in media.
And now why they got it right is because in modern days no one is trying to conquer another country least of all India ...so their country is not at risk...so they can just define winning and losing as fall of Islamabad and say they won and use the fake missile photos to make a joker field marshall. Trailer missile launch and use these Reuter Pak journalist to declare victory...their illiterate population will believe whatever they are fed...
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But you are quick to trust 6 jets down without any visual evidence and your planted reporter pasted story with out any proof either...that's the one thathas not been debunked...whereas claim as follows
India killed civilians
India attacked Amritsar
India attacked Afghanistan
Pak hit a s400
Pak hit a Brahmos depot
Pak did extensive damage to Indian airbases
These have all been laughed out as there is evidence to prove the bs but you still believe them...so you not only trust propaganda that has no evidence but you actually believe fake news that has evidence contrary to it .
No one can show BVR missile tracking..neither did your air force show any proof.
But IAF has satellite images of two aircrafts destroyed at bholari..what does PAF have
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Erm what are you smoking. There is ample visual evidence of aircraft shot down. Its not in dispute. Your side has admitted it. As for the other satellite evidence well that is now seeping through. Clear damage on amritsar is already available in the public domain and other sites. Visual evidence of akhnoor crash , Batinda crash and others available. Now like I said you can live in your Modi world. Thats your perogative but the reality is known to those who a) know and b) have some basic knowledge to analyse. You can dream and come.on here and post your nonsense but it doesnt matter. I can say the world is flat and the moon made of cheese and keep.living in that delusion but it won't make it true. The fact isnthe IAF is as of now no match for the PAF. Simple fact.
Point me to the timestamp in that video where they discuss the 11 Pakistani Airbases.
Hopefully she has explained who did this to Pakistani airbases if they won:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAs3QmRifyw
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Pakistan is a smaller, economically weaker nation and, like any such country, will rely on allies to counter aggression from a much larger power.
Your Hindutva talking points may resonate inside your echo chamber, but outside of it they only expose the same intellectual fragility, much like Tharoor scrambling for cover behind a dumpster.
Despite being a smaller nation, PAF successfully dropped IAF most advanced jets.