A sincere question to Indians, what did your government achieve from "Operation Sindoor"?

[sweep_shot]

lol what? I told you voter Ids dnt exist in Pak and you reply Election Comission of Pak

In Pak you dnt need voter ID to vote. Your National ID card act as Voter ID and pretty sure no terrorist in world will carry ID card so if caught he can spare headache of investigation

so now socia media videos are proof? the same social media that circulated downed jets images which you dnt want to admit or have audacity to mention here what BBC or Sky news reported ..

Sanghi logics are the stupidest logics in the world.

There is a reason why rest of the world laugh at them.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Hahaaa...quite a revelation that Pakistan has voter ID cards,

Hahaha...and yes Pakistan doesn't have any evidence at all

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921001735666974942

Don't change the goal post. Did you click the link ...it says ec of Paksitan made it mandatory to use voter id card..hence proving you are lying. Whether it is voter id or national id is a different matter..they serve the purpose of checking identity during voting.

Now you do have a point why would a terrorist carry voter id. If they want to hide their identity..yes . But if they want to instigate a war..then they would carry it.

Social media images produced by Pakistani citizen on the ground . Can you share one image from India that shows

6 jet wreckage
Explosion of jets in night sky
Brahmos depot burning
S400 destroyed
Udhanpur airbase destroyed.

All I saw is damage in civilian areas and a blast near udhampur airbase.

Dnt show Chinese or Pakistani social media of the above...

 

[sweep_shot]

Hahaaa...quite a revelation that Pakistan has voter ID cards,

Hahaha...and yes Pakistan doesn't have any evidence at all

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921001735666974942

They lost big in May.

I guess this was why they didn't go for Tandoor 2.0 after the Delhi attack. They didn't want to lose more jets and more soldiers I guess.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Can you share one image from India that shows

6 jet wreckage
Explosion of jets in night sky
Brahmos depot burning
S400 destroyed
Udhanpur airbase destroyed.

How can one image show all of that you mentioned? are you right in your head?

why would civillians be around s400 to take pictures or even Brahmos depot?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

s..our CDc is on record saying there were 1-2 losses b

your CDS said its not 6 or 7.. he did nt say its 1-2 either. why are you lying?
thats enough of proof that he admitted it. Claimed numbers are sometimes exagerrated but thats not imp. Whats imp is that PAF did shoot down your Jets ( Multiple )

Pak never admitted any loss of Airborne Jet , And your IAF chief claim is hollow because it came after 2 months. was he trying to find wreckage in those 2 months? Where are those popular Sat imaged you keep chirpinh about of PAF downed jets?

here is one example of Ground report from your Fav BBC in Pampore

India: BBC reports from the crash site of unidentified aircraft

Debris from an unidentified aircraft has been found in Pampore in Indian-administered Kashmir.

www.bbc.com

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

You said why I disagree with Western media regarding terrorist sites and jets down. In case of terrorists sites...there were reporters on the ground..there were documented social media posts. In case of jets most reports say Paksitan claimed this many jets were dow

so BBC reports crash site in Pampore i gave you link

and then BBC Inv reports crash of French Jet in Bathinda

India and Pakistan blame each other for escalating military tensions

The neighbours accused each other of launching drones and missiles.

www.bbc.com

Read carefully.

 

[straighttalk]

How can one image show all of that you mentioned? are you right in your head?

why would civillians be around s400 to take pictures or even Brahmos depot?

One image showing any one of the following...you know what I meant.
S400!is hidden but Brahmos depot is not in any secret location

Just as air base and weapons Depot explosions leave a huge sound smoke and fire seen from quite far..in that same way as nurkhan and other strikee were videographed in pak social media..in the same manner

 

[straighttalk]

so BBC reports crash site in Pampore i gave you link

and then BBC Inv reports crash of French Jet in Bathinda

India and Pakistan blame each other for escalating military tensions

The neighbours accused each other of launching drones and missiles.

www.bbc.com

Read carefully.

Yes I read carefully. BBC verify made the claims.
Let's see they share a picture from a x handle called pk99...that image is there..what do you see other than a bunch of trucks.

They claimed two more images...where are those images.

You see the problem..they are claiming verifying..but have not shared any image. Please look at the image and tell me where does it shows the wreckage or anything else they claim to verify.

I am waiting.

You asked me why I claimed BBC or sky News when they said that the terror HQs were hit .. they actually had reporters on the ground taking live videos and mages. You had a pic of a un designated terrorists supported by your army. You had jem and let leaders vowing revenge on India for hitting their HQs.

I will take back my word if you show me anything other than these two images

A jettisoned fuel tank.its not proof of crash.
A disputed pics of bs001 ...I call it disputed but will accept that as a clear image shared by Washington post.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Yes I read carefully. BBC verify made the claims.
Let's see they share a picture from a x handle called pk99...that image is there..what do you see other than a bunch of trucks.

They claimed two more images...where are those images.

You see the problem..they are claiming verifying..but have not shared any image. Please look at the image and tell me where does it shows the wreckage or anything else they claim to verify.

I am waiting.

You asked me why I claimed BBC or sky News when they said that the terror HQs were hit .. they actually had reporters on the ground taking live videos and mages. You had a pic of a un designated terrorists supported by your army. You had jem and let leaders vowing revenge on India for hitting their HQs.

I will take back my word if you show me anything other than these two images

A jettisoned fuel tank.its not proof of crash.
A disputed pics of bs001 ...I call it disputed but will accept that as a clear image shared by Washington post.

hahahah

now you are shifting goal post

first you said BBC only reported what Pak said.. no ground reports or own reports of BBC . and i showed you that same western media reported crash sites. which part of that you have difficulty to understand?

you want to believe them when they report on terror sites in Pak but when they report crash sites cordoned off by your Military , you want iamges of jet.. ok

 

[sweep_shot]

These sanghis waste a lot of their time to propagate fake news. They do it days after days. What do they get in return? Absolutely nothing.

The word "lifeless" comes to mind.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Yes I read carefully. BBC verify made the claims.
Let's see they share a picture from a x handle called pk99...that image is there..what do you see other than a bunch of trucks.

They claimed two more images...where are those images.

You see the problem..they are claiming verifying..but have not shared any image. Please look at the image and tell me where does it shows the wreckage or anything else they claim to verify.

I am waiting.

You asked me why I claimed BBC or sky News when they said that the terror HQs were hit .. they actually had reporters on the ground taking live videos and mages. You had a pic of a un designated terrorists supported by your army. You had jem and let leaders vowing revenge on India for hitting their HQs.

I will take back my word if you show me anything other than these two images

A jettisoned fuel tank.its not proof of crash.
A disputed pics of bs001 ...I call it disputed but will accept that as a clear image shared by Washington post.

here is Damning ground reporting by CNN. An Indian Eyewitness telling CNN they saw an aircraft plunging down. Remember CNN is also part of Same western media that you want to qoute and believe if its against Pak

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/09/world/video/pakistan-claim-shot-down-indian-aircraft-vrtc

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Yes I read carefully. BBC verify made the claims.
Let's see they share a picture from a x handle called pk99...that image is there..what do you see other than a bunch of trucks.

They claimed two more images...where are those images.

You see the problem..they are claiming verifying..but have not shared any image. Please look at the image and tell me where does it shows the wreckage or anything else they claim to verify.

I am waiting.

You asked me why I claimed BBC or sky News when they said that the terror HQs were hit .. they actually had reporters on the ground taking live videos and mages. You had a pic of a un designated terrorists supported by your army. You had jem and let leaders vowing revenge on India for hitting their HQs.

I will take back my word if you show me anything other than these two images

A jettisoned fuel tank.its not proof of crash.
A disputed pics of bs001 ...I call it disputed but will accept that as a clear image shared by Washington post.

so two Crash Sites reported by BBC in Pampore and Bathinda

here is Aviation Safety web Showing Su 30 Crash Site in Akhnoor

Accident Sukhoi Su-30 MKI , Wednesday 7 May 2025

On the night of 6-7 May during Indian Air Force military Operation Sindoor, a Su-30 MKI of Indian Air Force was shot down by Pakistanâs fighters using PL-15 long range BVR missile. Next...

aviation-safety.net

Do read sources below

 

[finalfantasy7]

more proof off the s400 being hit:

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[straighttalk]

hahahah

now you are shifting goal post

first you said BBC only reported what Pak said.. no ground reports or own reports of BBC . and i showed you that same western media reported crash sites. which part of that you have difficulty to understand?

you want to believe them when they report on terror sites in Pak but when they report crash sites cordoned off by your Military , you want iamges of jet.. ok

Fair point on the shifting goal post specific to this comment...but what did BBC show claim

A pic of trucks on the field..no sign of plane
Two pics claimed but not shown.

Vs
Reporters moving around the wreckage or the terror HQs
Pointing out that social media posts were made from this site.
Interviewing people at the site.
Live images and videos clearly showing damages.
Known sites where terror leaders gave speeches

 

[straighttalk]

so two Crash Sites reported by BBC in Pampore and Bathinda

here is Aviation Safety web Showing Su 30 Crash Site in Akhnoor

Accident Sukhoi Su-30 MKI , Wednesday 7 May 2025

On the night of 6-7 May during Indian Air Force military Operation Sindoor, a Su-30 MKI of Indian Air Force was shot down by Pakistanâs fighters using PL-15 long range BVR missile. Next...

aviation-safety.net

Do read sources below

I have identified issues on the BBC but I will give you BBC a reputable news agency.

The next link is laughable...it quotes no name X bots and has Paksitani Twitter users posting debunked pics..even the website says we just show what users provide...no guarantee of truth. Maybe those falling debris and parachutes..take videos and upload it. Wonder how these Paksitani twitters got pics of damage in India. And pray unlike Indian images which are available world wide..you have to go to obscure Twitter feeds to show these. Pls you can do better than this second link

 

[straighttalk]

here is Damning ground reporting by CNN. An Indian Eyewitness telling CNN they saw an aircraft plunging down. Remember CNN is also part of Same western media that you want to qoute and believe if its against Pak

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/09/world/video/pakistan-claim-shot-down-indian-aircraft-vrtc

This is a good example of reputable website publishing news . So no issues there.

The wuyan site shows a jettisoned fuel tank .if you disagree let me know. That is not a evidence of crashed plane.

They mention an eye witness..why don't they show what he or she said.

Then they showe a debris ...nothing in it shows it's Indian or rafale. But let's agree here that they show a debris ..with fire and smoke. Since our CDS has said a jet crashed..so I don't think I'm challenging the jet crash per se.

But this is a good example of a neutral media covering evidence of a crash.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Then they showe a debris ...nothing in it shows it's Indian or rafale. But let's agree here that they show a debris ..with fire and smoke.

well you did nt listen perhaps. Reporter also mentions French Intelligence source confirming Rafale went down.

so when he mention French source in his report he aint neutral anymore? BJP leader also convincingly lied that nothing happened lol

 

[straighttalk]

more proof off the s400 being hit:

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Ok true to your name...prepare to get called out for either being a stupid fool to believe pak propaganda or just you yourself being the fake news brigade. It's one thing to disagree or be biased about your own country..we all are guilty of the same. It is another to either be stupid to believe low grade propaganda or sell fake news itself. I don't know which category you are in.

Anyhow here is the challenge..the video talks about us Congress report on China. The report is available publicly. So you can read and search. Please go ahead and find me the page number where it talks about how the jf-17 damaged s-400.


When you find the page post a screenshot and tell me the page number. Else just let us know if you fall in the gullible idiot category or the unable to win in the sky .let's share fake news category.

Word of advise..if you fall in the gullible category...anything that comes out of pak dgispr or pak no name YouTube channels that is not covered in mainstream media..then it's likely false if it shows any iota of success. Do your research before you post it here.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Fair point on the shifting goal post specific to this comment...but what did BBC show claim

A pic of trucks on the field..no sign of plane
Two pics claimed but not shown.

Vs
Reporters moving around the wreckage or the terror HQs
Pointing out that social media posts were made from this site.
Interviewing people at the site.
Live images and videos clearly showing damages.
Known sites where terror leaders gave speeches

it does nt matter what they are able to show or not

they are reporting a crash site. and its cordoned off by Military so it might be hard for them to get images. underlying thought is that report is by western media ( Neutral ) So it has credibility , If they are able to interview mosque sites , thats different circumstance. two reports cant be co related how media operates or reports

 

[finalfantasy7]

Did a Pakistan EW make the IAF searcher drone crash:

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[Wasim Ghulam]

I have identified issues on the BBC but I will give you BBC a reputable news agency.

The next link is laughable...it quotes no name X bots and has Paksitani Twitter users posting debunked pics..even the website says we just show what users provide...no guarantee of truth. Maybe those falling debris and parachutes..take videos and upload it. Wonder how these Paksitani twitters got pics of damage in India. And pray unlike Indian images which are available world wide..you have to go to obscure Twitter feeds to show these. Pls you can do better than this second link

ok how about this

you consider reuters neutral ?

here they are qouting local govt sources. no Pakistani claim. So minimum three crash sites are reported by Neutral media to varying degree of authenticity and had no Pak claims as source which you cant admit

Three fighter jets crashed in India's Jammu and Kashmir, local govt sources say

Three fighter jets crashed in India's Jammu and Kashmir territory on Wednesday, four local government sources told Reuters, hours after India said it struck nine Pakistani "terrorist infrastructure" sites across the border.

www.reuters.com

 

[straighttalk]

it does nt matter what they are able to show or not

they are reporting a crash site. and its cordoned off by Military so it might be hard for them to get images. underlying thought is that report is by western media ( Neutral ) So it has credibility , If they are able to interview mosque sites , thats different circumstance. two reports cant be co related how media operates or reports

The difference is one is a media personnel on the ground...live video and images. Other is social media images reported by the neutral media where the said images either show trucks and no planes or the images are not even shown. Maybe BBC is trying to save data due to rising cloud costs and didn't think worthwhile to show the burning wreckage and falling parachutes which were shared by social media users.

So to compare..in one people can see things live. In the other we are asked to trust a neutral media which either shares pics that show nothing or doesn't share the pics..

 

[straighttalk]

ok how about this

you consider reuters neutral ?

here they are qouting local govt sources. no Pakistani claim. So minimum three crash sites are reported by Neutral media to varying degree of authenticity and had no Pak claims as source which you cant admit

Three fighter jets crashed in India's Jammu and Kashmir, local govt sources say

Three fighter jets crashed in India's Jammu and Kashmir territory on Wednesday, four local government sources told Reuters, hours after India said it struck nine Pakistani "terrorist infrastructure" sites across the border.

www.reuters.com

It's the same wuyan picture. I accept that the CNN report came closest to evidence. We have done a very good forensic analysis of the news .Reuters with Islamabad based Paksitani journalist clairme 6 jets down with no proof...this was later shared by media outlets everywhere. By evidence the wuyan village jettisoned fuel tank is always shown in many media outlets. Beyond. That there has been a lot of claims by unknown French intelligence, trucks images and the bs001 image ...worth remembering no actual wreckage..one source taken and spread everywhere...same as Al Jazeera claiming the Indian female pilot was arrested which implies her plane was also downed after first night....so just because some media claims something without an iota of evidence..it can't be believed. But fair points. To you on Sharon the Reuters BBC and CNN media..unlike the fake garbage final fantasy is sharing.

Instead of arguing..let me end this by saying as per CDs atleast oen jet was downed and the number is less than 6. That to me is evidence of one jet down. Beyond that there is no credible evidence of any jets downed but is green neutral media has carried Paksitani claims of jets down without showing actual evidence. So if you say they accepted pak version fmof events in terms of crash..that's fair.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

The difference is one is a media personnel on the ground...live video and images. Other is social media images reported by the neutral media where the said images either show trucks and no planes or the images are not even shown. Maybe BBC is trying to save data due to rising cloud costs and didn't think worthwhile to show the burning wreckage and falling parachutes which were shared by social media users.

So to compare..in one people can see things live. In the other we are asked to trust a neutral media which either shares pics that show nothing or doesn't share the pics..

again.. Underlying thought is that this media is neutral and got no skin in the game. so take the news as circumstantial evidence. a jettisoned fuel tank is nt proof of crash but it also give rise to suspicion that it did crash .. just because because BBC did nt get to take pictures of actual jey it does nt mean report of crash site is nt true.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Ok true to your name...prepare to get called out for either being a stupid fool to believe pak propaganda or just you yourself being the fake news brigade. It's one thing to disagree or be biased about your own country..we all are guilty of the same. It is another to either be stupid to believe low grade propaganda or sell fake news itself. I don't know which category you are in.

Anyhow here is the challenge..the video talks about us Congress report on China. The report is available publicly. So you can read and search. Please go ahead and find me the page number where it talks about how the jf-17 damaged s-400.


When you find the page post a screenshot and tell me the page number. Else just let us know if you fall in the gullible idiot category or the unable to win in the sky .let's share fake news category.

Word of advise..if you fall in the gullible category...anything that comes out of pak dgispr or pak no name YouTube channels that is not covered in mainstream media..then it's likely false if it shows any iota of success. Do your research before you post it here.

problem is that you cant prove from any report that part off your s400 got hit


if you can, show me the page number and post the screen shot

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

It's the same wuyan picture. I accept that the CNN report came closest to evidence. We have done a very good forensic analysis of the news .Reuters with Islamabad based Paksitani journalist clairme 6 jets down with no proof...this was later shared by media outlets everywhere. By evidence the wuyan village jettisoned fuel tank is always shown in many media outlets. Beyond. That there has been a lot of claims by unknown French intelligence, trucks images and the bs001 image ...worth remembering no actual wreckage..one source taken and spread everywhere...same as Al Jazeera claiming the Indian female pilot was arrested which implies her plane was also downed after first night....so just because some media claims something without an iota of evidence..it can't be believed. But fair points. To you on Sharon the Reuters BBC and CNN media..unlike the fake garbage final fantasy is sharing.

Instead of arguing..let me end this by saying as per CDs atleast oen jet was downed and the number is less than 6. That to me is evidence of one jet down. Beyond that there is no credible evidence of any jets downed but is green neutral media has carried Paksitani claims of jets down without showing actual evidence. So if you say they accepted pak version fmof events in terms of crash..that's fair.

i gave you Reuters News with no Pakistani link behind it. They are clearly saying 4 Kashmiri Govt Sources told them. You might be talking about different news item that had Pak Journalist behind it

You want hard Evidences because you got some Sat Images of Static Targets being hit. Now you want to apply Same degree of Scrutiny on Jet claims for which its always going to be difficult to provide hard evidence since the planes were crashed in india and Pak cannot physically go there and take pictures and stuff. Evidence will always be circumstantial , and its combined with Western Media reports along with official admission makes it credible claim. Numbers can vary , we might never know how many but its not imp. and CDS did nt give any number. you are assuming its one only or minimum one. he never said minimum one. He did say though its not 6 and im also not saying Its 6

Try to apply same scrutiny on 2019 F-16 claims , There is no Circunstantial evidence of that Jet being shot down let alone hard evidence. Yet our POW got gallantry award for that lol So bottom line is you can contimue to believe your Govt , we really dnt care

 

[Patriot]

Glad we are talking now. Our constitution says PoK is part of India..it doesn't say we will forcefully take it over. It is not about capability ..it's more about the cost in terms of economy and losses...you won't understand it ...if we want we will take it just like we took Bangladesh and defeated your army's every attempt to take Kashmir. Let's not go back in time...those defeats are documented in your country's history...late but still there.

2019 we didn't have proof..so we rectified it. Your army cordoned of Balakot for two months before inviting journalist. Wonder why. After balakot six years of peace...for a failed attack acc to you ..that's quite a good outcome. We will see how many years of peace Sindoor provides. Let's come to the jet questions. First for Balakot these are the facts. Challenge me and I will share YouTube videos for each.

Two planes crashed ..one was mig21. The other was Pakistan jets most likely f16. Imagine a mig21 shooting down f16. Abhinandan was captured. Not sure what happened to your pilot was he dead or injured. This has all been captured on videos with two contrails and two parachutes plus your dgispr statement. Later as usual Pak tried to hide. This is all documented here. You can challenge me and I will share videos or Twitter posts. Dnt hide behind saying this is Indian media...but challenge the videos and messages posted by Paksitani dgispr or citizens.

8 pieces of clinching evidence that show how IAF's Abhinandan shot down a Pakistani F-16

Using Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) & other evidence, an IAF veteran reconstructs IAF-PAF battle day after Balakot & concludes PAF indeed lost an F-16.

theprint.in

As for Sindoor jets..our CDc is on record saying there were 1-2 losses but far less than 6 claimed. Your side has not provided any video images or night explosions or wreckage of any damaged jets. As for satellite images...did I claim Paksitan denied damages on their side...I'm saying where is the proof of your side claims

26 bases and udhanpur air base destroyed
S400 center of gravity destroyed
Brahmos depot destroyed.

Do you think destroying a Brahmos depot will not cause a massive. Fireball and Indian social media will not have videos of it. Why can't your satellites pick up those damages...why can't us or chinese satellites show any damage. So let's retrace the conflict history.

India hits terrorists. As per Pak claims you shot down jets. That happens on day 1.
So IAF is at its lowest point and Pak is at its highest point. No ceasefire happened.

What happens next. Hq9 damaged, radar sites hit. 11 airbases hit, paf jets brought down..last one is unwveified beyond a jet and a AWACS in bholari.

Pak has nothing to show after that.

Who do you think would want a ceasefire at this stage..hint the country calling a nuclear group meeting to protect itself ..a weapon of last resort.


You said why I disagree with Western media regarding terrorist sites and jets down. In case of terrorists sites...there were reporters on the ground..there were documented social media posts. In case of jets most reports say Paksitan claimed this many jets were down. Reporting your claims is not same as saying they have verified them...there was no wreckage or independent radar verification etc. they did report your claims. So far only Washington post carried a picture of fuel tank and a bs01 wing tip. That is all

This analysis is nothing but conjecture and hearsay. The claim that an Indian Mig21 shot down a Pakistani F-16 is just a claim. For example, the radar evidence presented is point in time with no evidence that the F-16s were even involved or further data on this presented. Also, the AMRAAM recovered is one that was sold by the US to Taiwan and Taiwan is denying it sold a missile to Pakistan. Also, the Mig21 was shot down in Pakistan so how did the AMRAAM end up in India. Another point is that Pakistan has enough enemies in the US. If a Pakistani F-16 was actually shot down, someone from the US would have leaked it. There is also no evidence of Pakistan sending a search and rescue of an F-16, which would have been evidenced.

 

[Devadwal]

The Pakistanis sent a letter demanding an apology from CIA officer John Kiriakou for his statement, that India would beat Pakistan in conventional war. He responded by “wiping his ass with the letter sent by Pakistanis”.

@The Bald Eagle @Rajdeep

 

[Devadwal]

The Pakistanis sent a letter demanding an apology from CIA officer John Kiriakou for his statement, that India would beat Pakistan in conventional war. He responded by “wiping his ass with the letter sent by Pakistanis”.

@The Bald Eagle @Rajdeep

Here is the proof - Watch this video.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1991533277384229205

 

[straighttalk]

This analysis is nothing but conjecture and hearsay. The claim that an Indian Mig21 shot down a Pakistani F-16 is just a claim. For example, the radar evidence presented is point in time with no evidence that the F-16s were even involved or further data on this presented. Also, the AMRAAM recovered is one that was sold by the US to Taiwan and Taiwan is denying it sold a missile to Pakistan. Also, the Mig21 was shot down in Pakistan so how did the AMRAAM end up in India. Another point is that Pakistan has enough enemies in the US. If a Pakistani F-16 was actually shot down, someone from the US would have leaked it. There is also no evidence of Pakistan sending a search and rescue of an F-16, which would have been evidenced.

If you read the print article and look at dgispr messages and press conference.

He claimed two jets down and three pilots captured.
He then said one died.
Later he said only one captured and that is abhinandan.
There are videos on YouTube of two jets falling from sky and two parachutes.

Now one jet is mig21...accepted all over
Other can be either Indian or Paksitani. Since everything happened on Paksitan soil.. we can either say Pakistan is saving India the embarrassment and reducing the jet down claims to one from two or there is a more plausible explanation. I can help dig up that YouTube video in case it is not linked in the print article.

Pak planes didn't cross border but were engaged by Indian planes. Missiles from both sides crossed the border. Just like during Sindoor unexploded plaaf missiels were found. It is an air to air missile ..there were other planes that engaged on both sides and only abhinandan crossed the border as his radio was jammed by paf and he didn't hear order to fall back.

Here is a Indian compilation of news covered in Paksitan and statements by dgispr.
And the print analysis go into much detail.

 

[straighttalk]

problem is that you cant prove from any report that part off your s400 got hit


if you can, show me the page number and post the screen shot

Wth are you talking about...you shared a video grab as evidence of s400 being hit .where is the proof...please tell what does the video quote..this report...stop sharing fake news or believing fake news...if you army or air force was that capable to hit Indian sites...you would have videos plastered all over the world...no need to AI generate images and reports

 

[Patriot]

If you read the print article and look at dgispr messages and press conference.

He claimed two jets down and three pilots captured.
He then said one died.
Later he said only one captured and that is abhinandan.
There are videos on YouTube of two jets falling from sky and two parachutes.

Now one jet is mig21...accepted all over
Other can be either Indian or Paksitani. Since everything happened on Paksitan soil.. we can either say Pakistan is saving India the embarrassment and reducing the jet down claims to one from two or there is a more plausible explanation. I can help dig up that YouTube video in case it is not linked in the print article.

Pak planes didn't cross border but were engaged by Indian planes. Missiles from both sides crossed the border. Just like during Sindoor unexploded plaaf missiels were found. It is an air to air missile ..there were other planes that engaged on both sides and only abhinandan crossed the border as his radio was jammed by paf and he didn't hear order to fall back.

Here is a Indian compilation of news covered in Paksitan and statements by dgispr.
And the print analysis go into much detail.

I understand there were discrepancies in the claims, but that’s also true in the recent skirmish where Pakistan has made claims that an Indian pilot has been captured. Doesn’t mean it’s a Pakistani plane shot down. Also, there is no concrete evidence of an F-16 involved in Balakot. As I have said, Taiwan rejects Indian claims and radar evidence is point in time with no further information or data. When Pakistan presented the same radar evidence, it was discredited as a PowerPoint slide.

 

[uppercut]

hahahahahahahahahhaa

Taking back this side of Kashmir is your objective and its stated in your constitution since you Annexed Kashmir in 2019 . Its not our fault if your Army cannot execute it so there goes your theory that India do nt want Land

Attack on May 7 was not something new that India pulled out. Same kind of strategic and Symbolic messaging happened in 2019 , It failed according to your own standards because if we accept your narrative of Terrorism then that 2019 messaging had no effect on Pak and Palgham happened anyway. You Say May 7 attack's only objective to hit Terrorists , so what was new in that? in 2019 you lost Jets. 2025 you lost Jets again. This time Modi's Raphale . Your Downed Jets is evidence of Pak's Retaliation . It does nt matter if you admit it or not. You can tell us Sky news or BBC for that matter which is western media covered the story of those terrorists hideouts in Pakistan and you present this as evidence to us but also refuse to believe same western media who has been Saying India lost jets in May . You cannot just selectively choose what news you want to believe and then question the credibility of same media if narrative goes against you. Thats simply not how real world works perhaps in bollywood this delusion can stick

Sat Images Sat Images thats what you have been continoulsy chirping. Tell me when did Pak deny that there is ni Damage to Pak's Bases. You are trying to prove something when no body asked for proofs. All those Sat images were absent when Pak asked where are sat images of our downed Jets in 2019 when Abh was given Valor award for being captured or when your Chief woke up after 2 months and claimed Kills of PAF jets . Sat Images convienently disappear or not availble. why is that?

if you want to know what damage Pak did , may be check press conference of Sofia qureshi in morning of May 10. Raise the volume and listen to her carefully

You and rest of the Green brigade keep yapping about jets lost by India... so you are saying because we lost jets we lost the war according to you ? Simple yes/no answer.

 

[straighttalk]

I understand there were discrepancies in the claims, but that’s also true in the recent skirmish where Pakistan has made claims that an Indian pilot has been captured. Doesn’t mean it’s a Pakistani plane shot down. Also, there is no concrete evidence of an F-16 involved in Balakot. As I have said, Taiwan rejects Indian claims and radar evidence is point in time with no further information or data. When Pakistan presented the same radar evidence, it was discredited as a PowerPoint slide.

I am curious. As India showed the missile as proof of Pakistan using f16..India didn't blame Taiwan. I think this whole idea that USA gave Paksitan f16 to bomb terrorists who lack any air defense can be put to rest.

I again ask you to read the print article. Unfortunately the YouTube video which showed two jets contrail crashing and two parachutes has been removed but you can see eye witness interview in pak channel..your dgispr claiming the following

Two jets down
Two pilots captured
Own died in hospital.

This stayed for hours until they changed tune.

So agreed no where it said Pakistani jet or Pakistani pilot. But common sense says they are not hiding Indian jet down story.

As for the Shivani singh story..Al Jazeera and your media reported it..no eye witness and no dgispr claimed it..they actually denied it

 

[Varun]

Our Air Force will find a way to get shot down by the Somali Pirates.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

You and rest of the Green brigade keep yapping about jets lost by India... so you are saying because we lost jets we lost the war according to you ? Simple yes/no answer.

You didn’t just lose jets. Your Air Force lost the narrative it had been selling for years that India is so militarily superior that Pakistan can’t respond to any Indian action. Yet on the very same night India attacked, Pakistan shot down your aircrafts And not just any jet , it were your best frontline fighters, taken out inside your own territory,
After that, the rest was a straightforward *** for tat where both sides fired, but the key difference is this: the moment Pakistan announced a counter-strike, a third country had to step in and announce a ceasefire. That alone shows who wanted to escalate and who suddenly wanted things to stop.
So no, it wasn’t just about “losing jets.” It was about losing the entire narrative of unquestioned superiority.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

If you read the print article and look at dgispr messages and press conference.

He claimed two jets down and three pilots captured.
He then said one died.
Later he said only one captured and that is abhinandan.
There are videos on YouTube of two jets falling from sky and two parachutes.

Now one jet is mig21...accepted all over
Other can be either Indian or Paksitani. Since everything happened on Paksitan soil.. we can either say Pakistan is saving India the embarrassment and reducing the jet down claims to one from two or there is a more plausible explanation. I can help dig up that YouTube video in case it is not linked in the print article.

Pak planes didn't cross border but were engaged by Indian planes. Missiles from both sides crossed the border. Just like during Sindoor unexploded plaaf missiels were found. It is an air to air missile ..there were other planes that engaged on both sides and only abhinandan crossed the border as his radio was jammed by paf and he didn't hear order to fall back.

Here is a Indian compilation of news covered in Paksitan and statements by dgispr.
And the print analysis go into much detail.

Lol Indian Strike Package was lured into kill Zone after our fighters crossed loc and returned before IAF could Engage. it was hot pursuut but PAF jammed the hell out of IAF communications , reason abhi did nt return , there was not single missile locked by IAF onto our Jets.

Where was BBC or Sky news to report crash site? a jet does nt fall and nobody notices.. it was broad daylight. it would have been captured on camera Just like Indian Strikes on May 7 were captured by mobile Camera

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pakistan actually ruined its narrative by flip flopping its statements. They should have stuck to a realistic number. Had they even stuck with 1 Rafale down story it would have served them much better. But as multiple senior leaders in their own country kept changing the stories and numbers, they lost a lot of credibility. I think this is a fair assessment.

 

[Jaansher]

 

[Patriot]

I am curious. As India showed the missile as proof of Pakistan using f16..India didn't blame Taiwan. I think this whole idea that USA gave Paksitan f16 to bomb terrorists who lack any air defense can be put to rest.

I again ask you to read the print article. Unfortunately the YouTube video which showed two jets contrail crashing and two parachutes has been removed but you can see eye witness interview in pak channel..your dgispr claiming the following

Two jets down
Two pilots captured
Own died in hospital.

This stayed for hours until they changed tune.

So agreed no where it said Pakistani jet or Pakistani pilot. But common sense says they are not hiding Indian jet down story.

As for the Shivani singh story..Al Jazeera and your media reported it..no eye witness and no dgispr claimed it..they actually denied it

Can you clarify your Taiwan comment?

I was disputing Sameer Joshi’s claim from the article on the use of an F-16. There is no clear evidence of this. He presets two points:

1. An AMRAAM fragment found by the IAF. However, this missile was sold to Taiwan by the US. How did it end up in Pakistani or Indian hands? Taiwan denies selling it or giving it to Pakistan to use to shoot at Indian fighters.

2. A tv screen image but it could have been at any point in time with no further information. No timestamps no nothing. It can easily be faked. Pakistan presented similar images with locked in IAF fighters and they were rejected as PowerPoint images.

He does not present any other evidence of an F-16 present or involved. So what evidence is there that an F-16 was involved?

The contrails don’t prove an F-16. It could have been another IAF jet, it could have been anything.

 

[uppercut]

Our Air Force will find a way to get shot down by the Somali Pirates.

Yeh sab kisne kiya phir ? Somali pirates ?

 

[uppercut]

You didn’t just lose jets. Your Air Force lost the narrative it had been selling for years that India is so militarily superior that Pakistan can’t respond to any Indian action.

Yeh kab hua ? Show me some credible evidence to back that up.

Yet on the very same night India attacked, Pakistan shot down your aircrafts And not just any jet , it were your best frontline fighters, taken out inside your own territory,
After that, the rest was a straightforward *** for tat where both sides fired, but the key difference is this: the moment Pakistan announced a counter-strike, a third country had to step in and announce a ceasefire. That alone shows who wanted to escalate and who suddenly wanted things to stop.
So no, it wasn’t just about “losing jets.” It was about losing the entire narrative of unquestioned superiority.

And where is the evidence for having downed 6 jets ?


And btw So who did this then ? Martians or Somali Pirates ?

 

[Varun]

Yeh sab kisne kiya phir ? Somali pirates ?

Please bring your Hindi-Bhindi back to the motherland and wave your jhanda for your Narendra. At the moment, your tax money is going to the Donald.

 

[Rana]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1991601263499415753

@Devadwal

 

[BouncerGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1991601263499415753

@Devadwal

Tejas Samosa LOL

 

[Rana]

Tejas Samosa LOL

They sent these flying samosas over for our afternoon tea on 7th May

 

[Jaansher]

 

[mazkhan]

Samosa just crashed in dubai airshow

 

[finalfantasy7]

Wth are you talking about...you shared a video grab as evidence of s400 being hit .where is the proof...please tell what does the video quote..this report...stop sharing fake news or believing fake news...if you army or air force was that capable to hit Indian sites...you would have videos plastered all over the world...no need to AI generate images and reports

the video i showed you has your fellow india sikh amitting that part of the s400 got hit

 

[Obaidd]

Samosa just crashed in dubai airshow

Chutney was already leaking but effective reminder to everybody about where Ind really lies in the global order as the poster child of third world.

 

[mazkhan]

I feel for that pilot if you look at the video something blows up there's a flash near the engine

I dont think its the planes

Because pakistan used same russian engines and Chinese clone engines in f7 , a6 and we never had problems


But indian maintenance keeps on having issues with various planes

 

[Rana]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1991601263499415753

@Devadwal

Honestly I posted this before or even knowing the Tejas dropping at the Dubai air show

RIP pilot

 

[Rana]

Wow this has been a year of global embarrassment for India.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yes RIP pilot, those who tried to downplay the oil leakage are equally responsible. Fake national pride engulfed another poor soul

Chutney was already leaking but effective reminder to everybody about where Ind really lies in the global order as the poster child of third world.

Honestly I posted this before or even knowing the Tejas dropping at the Dubai air show

RIP pilot

 

[Kriketer]

Perhaps its just a reminder to these bhakt nationalist goons of India to stop embarrassing yourselves. Humiliated against Pakistan during war and now still dropping jets like flies, no wonder they can't compete with PAF.

Rip to the pilot if he wasn't a Terrorist who attacked Pakistan in May

 

[finalfantasy7]

Pakistan actually ruined its narrative by flip flopping its statements. They should have stuck to a realistic number. Had they even stuck with 1 Rafale down story it would have served them much better. But as multiple senior leaders in their own country kept changing the stories and numbers, they lost a lot of credibility. I think this is a fair assessment.

you on something, go proove your comment

 

[finalfantasy7]

Yeh kab hua ? Show me some credible evidence to back that up.




And where is the evidence for having downed 6 jets ?


And btw So who did this then ? Martians or Somali Pirates ?

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its trump who says 7/ 8 jets were downed

 

[finalfantasy7]

Yeh kab hua ? Show me some credible evidence to back that up.




And where is the evidence for having downed 6 jets ?


And btw So who did this then ? Martians or Somali Pirates ?

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[ahsan17]

Pakistan actually ruined its narrative by flip flopping its statements. They should have stuck to a realistic number. Had they even stuck with 1 Rafale down story it would have served them much better. But as multiple senior leaders in their own country kept changing the stories and numbers, they lost a lot of credibility. I think this is a fair assessment.

But who is not buying the Pakistani numbers? It's only andhbakhts, and they would only buy it if it came from Modi's mouth anyway.

 

[straighttalk]

Lol Indian Strike Package was lured into kill Zone after our fighters crossed loc and returned before IAF could Engage. it was hot pursuut but PAF jammed the hell out of IAF communications , reason abhi did nt return , there was not single missile locked by IAF onto our Jets.

Where was BBC or Sky news to report crash site? a jet does nt fall and nobody notices.. it was broad daylight. it would have been captured on camera Just like Indian Strikes on May 7 were captured by mobile Camera

Paf doesn't have guts to cross Indian airspace unlike India who didn't when they bombed Balakot . Paf tried to hit Indian military installation..got engaged..the lower skill pilots lobbed some bombs which obviously missed the target and then they made a story that it was intentional miss.lmao...nevee heard such a joke.

Yiua re right abhis radio was jammed and that's why he crossed the border. His older generation mig21 brt down a pak plane...f16 in not verified..maybe jf17 and then he him self shot down.

Dgispr saying two planes down...is he lying
He said locals arrested ..two pilots. Does the top officer of your country peddle fake news.
Your TV channels interviewed multiple eye witness who said two planes down and two parachutes.

There were videos showing the two contrails and two parachutes.

Dgispr said one pilot taken to hospital . Other in custody.
Dgispr saying one pilot dead in hospital.


These information cannot be fog of war misinformation...these were corroborated...arrest hospital death...kitne bar galat info hoga.

Then he revised and said only one plane crashed and one pilot captured.


So you can say no where did he say pak plane or pak pilot was captured. And it is the most plausible theory that PAF shot down two Indian planes and wanted to spare India the humiliation just like they spared us everything since 65 Kargil 71 swift retort Sindoor...I believe that story more.

 

[straighttalk]

Can you clarify your Taiwan comment?

I was disputing Sameer Joshi’s claim from the article on the use of an F-16. There is no clear evidence of this. He presets two points:

1. An AMRAAM fragment found by the IAF. However, this missile was sold to Taiwan by the US. How did it end up in Pakistani or Indian hands? Taiwan denies selling it or giving it to Pakistan to use to shoot at Indian fighters.

2. A tv screen image but it could have been at any point in time with no further information. No timestamps no nothing. It can easily be faked. Pakistan presented similar images with locked in IAF fighters and they were rejected as PowerPoint images.

He does not present any other evidence of an F-16 present or involved. So what evidence is there that an F-16 was involved?

The contrails don’t prove an F-16. It could have been another IAF jet, it could have been anything.

My question is where is the evidence that it was Taiwanese? Whi said it was Taiwanese. Can you share the claim.

There are dgispr remarks, eyewitness interview by Pakistan channels, two parachutes down. And two contrails.

Two aorachites down means tow jets were hit or ejection in one as the mig was shot down. Mig is single seater.

You have a point..it could be Indian pilot or Indian plane too as no one said it's Pakistanj plane ..neither dgispr nor the Pakistani eye witness.

So either Pakistan is hiding they brt two Indian jets down and got two pilots. Quite hard to believe given the exaggerated claims of 4 5 6 7 8 jets down in 20 mins claims made in op Sindoor. Or you are smart enough to make the logical conclusion.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Wth are you talking about...you shared a video grab as evidence of s400 being hit .where is the proof...please tell what does the video quote..this report...stop sharing fake news or believing fake news...if you army or air force was that capable to hit Indian sites...you would have videos plastered all over the world...no need to AI generate images and reports

yet again, it is the indian sikh admitting in the video - who is your own indian citizen - admitting that part of the s400 got hit, deal with it,

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Paf doesn't have guts to cross Indian airspace unlike India who didn't when they bombed Balakot .

So how do you quantify guts in an onkine debate? lol is that Supposed to be your logical answer?

Yiua re right abhis radio was jammed and that's why he crossed the border. His older generation mig21 brt down a pak plane...f16 in not verified..maybe jf17 and then he him self shot down.

There is no evidence of that . No known Crash Site or Independant Media Report

Dgispr saying two planes down...is he lying
He said locals arrested ..two pilots. Does the top officer of your country peddle fake news.
Your TV channels interviewed multiple eye witness who said two planes down and two parachutes.

Pak did Claim Two planes Shot down. One Was Su 30 Crashed in Indian Territory. As far capture of two pilots , He clarified that report came from two different army units in fog of war , but later it was clarified. It can happen. India initially denied no plane was shot down , All pilots accounted for. but when Abhi Capture videos took round on social media only then India officially acknowledged . So dnt try to teach us how to read that situation

Dgispr said one pilot taken to hospital . Other in custody.
Dgispr saying one pilot dead in hospital.

Even if we say he provided wrong info , Thats no evidence of plane Shot down. Thats driving a theory from assumption

There is no Evidence of any plane Shot Down. Video is also unverified. We dnt know where its taken and who was capturing it.

 

[straighttalk]

yet again, it is the indian sikh admitting in the video - who is your own indian citizen - admitting that part of the s400 got hit, deal with it,

Go to the video at 4:12... Show me the us report claiming that s400 was hit. Otherwise what credibility does that channel have .sharing fake propaganda.

Also for the video images..have you heard the concept of deep fake. They show a small insert of person talking in ATV studio..not a eye witness a person questioning in a TV studio and your already fake YouTube channel format even show the full screen..anyhow I'm not challenging you on this one but to prove me wrong share the actual video of this person jagmeet Singh. I googled no such person exists who is a TV anchor. There is khalistsni politician of that name. So back to square one .looks like the gutter class channels makes fake news and gullible people fall for it.

 

[straighttalk]

Go to the video at 4:12... Show me the us report claiming that s400 was hit. Otherwise what credibility does that channel have .sharing fake propaganda.

Also for the video images..have you heard the concept of deep fake. They show a small insert of person talking in ATV studio..not a eye witness a person questioning in a TV studio and your already fake YouTube channel format even show the full screen..anyhow I'm not challenging you on this one but to prove me wrong share the actual video of this person jagmeet Singh. I googled no such person exists who is a TV anchor. There is khalistsni politician of that name. So back to square one .looks like the gutter class channels makes fake news and gullible people fall for it.

Your channel presented two fake evidences to support the laughable claim that PAF is competent to take out s400 by missiles or air strikes. If you said drone..it's believable.

One it fabricated a us report at 4:12.

Two it is showing a fake video of a person questioning the s400 video..not saying he saw it damaged. I want you to share the actual video of that jagmeet Singh speaking . Please go ahead. This one I am not 100 percent sure it is fake but it looks edited.

 

[Patriot]

My question is where is the evidence that it was Taiwanese? Whi said it was Taiwanese. Can you share the claim.

There are dgispr remarks, eyewitness interview by Pakistan channels, two parachutes down. And two contrails.

Two aorachites down means tow jets were hit or ejection in one as the mig was shot down. Mig is single seater.

You have a point..it could be Indian pilot or Indian plane too as no one said it's Pakistanj plane ..neither dgispr nor the Pakistani eye witness.

So either Pakistan is hiding they brt two Indian jets down and got two pilots. Quite hard to believe given the exaggerated claims of 4 5 6 7 8 jets down in 20 mins claims made in op Sindoor. Or you are smart enough to make the logical conclusion.

I’ll admit I may have gotten it wrong. There is a lot of propaganda and I think information has been doctored to show that the US sold the AMRAAMs to Taiwan from which one was found in India.

Do you have the link to the Raytheon website that shows the reference number for the containment of AMRAAMs sold to Pakistan being the same one as the one discovered in India? I can’t seem to find a link.

I want to verify it from source before I agree that F-16s were involved. Although whether one went down is still circumstantial.

 

[straighttalk]

I’ll admit I may have gotten it wrong. There is a lot of propaganda and I think information has been doctored to show that the US sold the AMRAAMs to Taiwan from which one was found in India.

Do you have the link to the Raytheon website that shows the reference number for the containment of AMRAAMs sold to Pakistan being the same one as the one discovered in India? I can’t seem to find a link.

I want to verify it from source before I agree that F-16s were involved. Although whether one went down is still circumstantial.

I don't think Raytheon publishes such information publicly. Form the Paksitani dgispr and eyewitness interview they said two planes were shot down and two pilots were captured. Dgispr also later said one pilot admitted to hospital. Then he said he died. Later he said ..no only one plane was shot down. Putting all this together it is clear two planes and two pilots were shot down..dgispr cannot get arrest hospitalization and death wrong ...over hours. He then hid that information and it is definitely not for hiding India's loss.

From Pakistani statements it does not say f16. It could be jf17 too. That part there is no clear osint. But Indian air force with the amraam and abhinandan s radar claimed it is f16.

What the independent evidence shows is that two planes went down that day. And Paksitan claimed and then walked back the claim...question is why. Either to spare India the humiliation of two aircraft losses..which does not seem believable or to hide their own loss