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A sincere question to Indians, what did your government achieve from "Operation Sindoor"?

Hitman said:
What Kasmir dispute? For us there is no such issue as Kashmir dispute. It's an intergral part of India.​
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So says the Israel about Palestine...but some things are just a matter of time...Pak wouldn't have any chance to influence Indian Muslim Kashmiris had there been a semblance of prosperity there..fact
 
Hitman said:
What Kasmir dispute? For us there is no such issue as Kashmir dispute. It's an intergral part of India.​
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It's no more an integral part of India as Punjab or Bengal. Indians need to stop accepting British Raj definitions of what is Indian and start reclaiming their own heritage instead of bowing to the firangis who divvied up their lands like it was a piece of cake for afternoon tea.
 
Pity those who still pretend Kashmir isn’t a disputed land. Your own politicians can’t stop talking about “getting back” Pakistani-administered Kashmir. Your own Army Chief visits a guru and suddenly starts making territorial claims like it’s some divine prophecy.

Jagadguru Rambhadracharya said that as his 'dakshina', he had asked Army chief General Upendra Dwivedi for Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.
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You abrogate Article 370, then act surprised the issue won’t die, as if rewriting a law rewrites history and erases decades of conflict.

Meanwhile, y’all are out here trying to weaponize water, and some genius still goes, “Wait, what Kashmir issue?”

You see, viewers, and listen closely, the entire nation listens to Arnab, the greatest Indian journalist of all time. He yells louder, so obviously, he must be right.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
So says the Israel about Palestine...but some things are just a matter of time...Pak wouldn't have any chance to influence Indian Muslim Kashmiris had there been a semblance of prosperity there..fact
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The problem is you guys only want to believe in propaganda...Indian Kashmir gdp is 27 billion...pok gdp is 5.5 billion. Between 2028 to ,2024 gdp growth is 7.53 percent .if Pak didn't pull stuff like Pahalgam..more tourists would come and improve the situation but then again you believe pak wants best for Kashmir...ask them to choose economically... 4 th largest economy vs. IMF bailouts candidate...
 
straighttalk said:
The problem is you guys only want to believe in propaganda...Indian Kashmir gdp is 27 billion...pok gdp is 5.5 billion. Between 2028 to ,2024 gdp growth is 7.53 percent .if Pak didn't pull stuff like Pahalgam..more tourists would come and improve the situation but then again you believe pak wants best for Kashmir...ask them to choose economically... 4 th largest economy vs. IMF bailouts candidate...
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If Kashmiris have been well off like that ever than what keeps India from conducting a plebiscite there...pot calling the kettle black
 
straighttalk said:
The problem is you guys only want to believe in propaganda...Indian Kashmir gdp is 27 billion...pok gdp is 5.5 billion. Between 2028 to ,2024 gdp growth is 7.53 percent .if Pak didn't pull stuff like Pahalgam..more tourists would come and improve the situation but then again you believe pak wants best for Kashmir...ask them to choose economically... 4 th largest economy vs. IMF bailouts candidate...
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Has the Indian government provided any concrete evidence linking Pakistan to the incident? If so, can that evidence be shared publicly?

Also, have any suspects been apprehended yet in connection with the case?

Thank you.
 
It's pretty obvious what the cult think of operation sindoor - it was an abject failure, humiliation and embarrassment.

You only have to read the cult responses for proof.
 
HalBass9 said:
Has the Indian government provided any concrete evidence linking Pakistan to the incident? If so, can that evidence be shared publicly?

Also, have any suspects been apprehended yet in connection with the case?

Thank you.
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

You are right it is our failure to apprehend the terrorist..so I accept that. BUT YOUR TERRORIST GROUP OWNED RESPONSIBILITY AND IT IS A OFFSHOOT OF LET WHO IS HARBORE IN YOUR COUNTRY. So there you go when you ask about proof.

But let's go even further.

However let me give you an analogy. You know there is a snake in your garden. One day you come home and see your pet bitten by a snake. You call the cops. The cops have three options- the snake in the garden who has bitten before, a snake from outside or they think you brought a snake deliberately to bite your pet so that you can kill the snake in the garden.

So let's look at the track record.

Let and JEM HQ is in Pakistan and their leaders roam about free in your country chanting death to India.

Countless terrorists have been killed trying to cross from Pakistan to India.

Paksitan has been proven guilty in Mumbai and other terrorist attacks in the past.

You harbor all the terrorist leaders in your country.

Your leaders proposed the death by 1000 cuts policy.

You have publicly proclaimed to provide support to kashmiri terrorists.

Asif munir has claimed that he is going to provide more support to Kashmir cause and then immediately the terrorist attack happen.

So question is what support... Futile calls in un , money that you don't have, or terrorist training.

So my friend a known terrorist group sheltered in your country that is public knowledge claimed responsibility and your track record makes it clear that you are responsible.

Maybe your group shouldn't have gleefully owned up killing innocent civilians in the name of religion..then your farcical calls of innocence would have found more credence.
 
straighttalk said:
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

You are right it is our failure to apprehend the terrorist..so I accept that. BUT YOUR TERRORIST GROUP OWNED RESPONSIBILITY AND IT IS A OFFSHOOT OF LET WHO IS HARBORE IN YOUR COUNTRY. So there you go when you ask about proof.

But let's go even further.

However let me give you an analogy. You know there is a snake in your garden. One day you come home and see your pet bitten by a snake. You call the cops. The cops have three options- the snake in the garden who has bitten before, a snake from outside or they think you brought a snake deliberately to bite your pet so that you can kill the snake in the garden.

So let's look at the track record.

Let and JEM HQ is in Pakistan and their leaders roam about free in your country chanting death to India.

Countless terrorists have been killed trying to cross from Pakistan to India.

Paksitan has been proven guilty in Mumbai and other terrorist attacks in the past.

You harbor all the terrorist leaders in your country.

Your leaders proposed the death by 1000 cuts policy.

You have publicly proclaimed to provide support to kashmiri terrorists.

Asif munir has claimed that he is going to provide more support to Kashmir cause and then immediately the terrorist attack happen.

So question is what support... Futile calls in un , money that you don't have, or terrorist training.

So my friend a known terrorist group sheltered in your country that is public knowledge claimed responsibility and your track record makes it clear that you are responsible.

Maybe your group shouldn't have gleefully owned up killing innocent civilians in the name of religion..then your farcical calls of innocence would have found more credence.
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An analogy isn’t evidence.

Evidence is evidence.

Please stop trying to pass off storytelling as proof.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
If Kashmiris have been well off like that ever than what keeps India from conducting a plebiscite there...pot calling the kettle black
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Two things

Targeted killings by Pakistani terrorists against kashmiri pandits has changed the demographics.

Pak occupied Kashmir and akshai Chin has to be returned to India before a plebiscite can be conducted...why would it be done only on part of Kashmir that is actually not disputed m.as it was legally signed by the ruler of the kingdom...the illegal part is what you guys are occupying.

So rectify the above and then we can hold elections
 
HalBass9 said:
An analogy isn’t evidence.

Evidence is evidence.

Please stop trying to pass off storytelling as proof.
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Your terrorist group claimed responsibility...what evidence do you need when they accept guilt..or rather celebrate killings...judgement delivered...message sent to modi..and modi blasted jehadis to hoor
 
straighttalk said:
Your terrorist group claimed responsibility...what evidence do you need when they accept guilt..or rather celebrate killings...judgement delivered...message sent to modi..and modi blasted jehadis to hoor
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No evidence? Thought so. This isn’t Arnab’s echo chamber, and we’re not here for some low budget nationalist soap opera.

If you have evidence, put it on the table. If not, stop hiding behind analogies and loud slogans like it’s going to magically turn fiction into fact.

You can’t shout your way into credibility. Not here.

And as for the classic “your terrorist” line, why is it that every time someone dares to ask a question or criticize the emperor, Indians suddenly hand out terrorism labels like they’re party favors?

Maybe mistaking blind nationalism for intelligence is the real problem.
 
straighttalk said:
Two things

Targeted killings by Pakistani terrorists against kashmiri pandits has changed the demographics.

Pak occupied Kashmir and akshai Chin has to be returned to India before a plebiscite can be conducted...why would it be done only on part of Kashmir that is actually not disputed m.as it was legally signed by the ruler of the kingdom...the illegal part is what you guys are occupying.

So rectify the above and then we can hold elections
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I think for that you need to sit with Pak and China...let's settle this before someone carries for another operation. Better for the people and in line with democratic norms
 
Anytime the cult use the terrorist line, remind them their messiah Bibi is a wanted war criminal.

The cult can cry terrorist but the reality is the cult are terrorist sympathisers. Not to say anything of Modi, the only man on earth to be banned from entering the West cos he was guilty of religious TERRORISM!

Facts don't care about feelings.
 
HalBass9 said:
No evidence? Thought so. This isn’t Arnab’s echo chamber, and we’re not here for some low budget nationalist soap opera.

If you have evidence, put it on the table. If not, stop hiding behind analogies and loud slogans like it’s going to magically turn fiction into fact.

You can’t shout your way into credibility. Not here.

And as for the classic “your terrorist” line, why is it that every time someone dares to ask a question or criticize the emperor, Indians suddenly hand out terrorism labels like they’re party favors?

Maybe mistaking blind nationalism for intelligence is the real problem.
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Your terrorist group accepted responsibility...what more evidence do you need.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Anytime the cult use the terrorist line, remind them their messiah Bibi is a wanted war criminal.

The cult can cry terrorist but the reality is the cult are terrorist sympathisers. Not to say anything of Modi, the only man on earth to be banned from entering the West cos he was guilty of religious TERRORISM!

Facts don't care about feelings.
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Facts do care..he was never banned for terrorism and he has been invited as guest of honor every where....
 
straighttalk said:
Your terrorist group accepted responsibility...what more evidence do you need.
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My terrorist group? Oh, I wasn’t aware I had ownership stakes. Do I get dividends? Do they carry a loyalty card with my name on it?

This is exactly the problem, the moment you run out of logic, you start assigning imaginary affiliations to anyone who challenges your narrative. It’s lazy, desperate, and frankly, pathetic.

Try facts next time. They last longer than hashtags and hysteria.

So any evidence yet?
 
The Bald Eagle said:
I think for that you need to sit with Pak and China...let's settle this before someone carries for another operation. Better for the people and in line with democratic norms
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The discussion that you say can happen in a way everyone wins or loses..that is the following

Zero terrorism
Freezing of border as it is.
IWT renegotiated or reinstalled as it is.
 
HalBass9 said:
My terrorist group? Oh, I wasn’t aware I had ownership stakes. Do I get dividends? Do they carry a loyalty card with my name on it?

This is exactly the problem, the moment you run out of logic, you start assigning imaginary affiliations to anyone who challenges your narrative. It’s lazy, desperate, and frankly, pathetic.

Try facts next time. They last longer than hashtags and hysteria.

So any evidence yet?
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You here means your country

Trp is off shoot of LET housed armed and patronized by the state or Pakistan whose leader HS gives speeches calling on terrorists to commit jehad in Kashmir... That group claimed responsibility right after the attack

That is proof of Paksitani terrorist group being responsible for the attack.

Thereafter when India missiles hit the jehadis HQ...your uniformed officers stood behind an officially UN sanctioned terrorist to pay homage to slained terrorists.

Now please tell me which of these facts are false and why this is not evidence according to you.

In a court of law...acceptance of guilt or in this case celebration of a crime is proof enough
 
straighttalk said:
The discussion that you say can happen in a way everyone wins or loses..that is the following

Zero terrorism
Freezing of border as it is.
IWT renegotiated or reinstalled as it is.
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Why renegotiated... aren't you stealing enough water yet.
 
straighttalk said:
You here means your country

Trp is off shoot of LET housed armed and patronized by the state or Pakistan whose leader HS gives speeches calling on terrorists to commit jehad in Kashmir... That group claimed responsibility right after the attack

That is proof of Paksitani terrorist group being responsible for the attack.

Thereafter when India missiles hit the jehadis HQ...your uniformed officers stood behind an officially UN sanctioned terrorist to pay homage to slained terrorists.

Now please tell me which of these facts are false and why this is not evidence according to you.

In a court of law...acceptance of guilt or in this case celebration of a crime is proof enough
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LOL. That’s not evidence, that’s a fanfic. You’re confusing fantasy with fact. Try again.

And let’s not gloss over the part where they retracted their own claim, blaming it on a “cyber intrusion.”

So let me get this straight, Pakistan is expected to blindly believe either a radical terror outfit or the elected poster boy of Hindutva extremism?

Tell me again, why should anyone trust the word of either LeT or the Indian government when both speak the same language, fear, blame, and propaganda?

And if this is your smoking gun, then you’re not holding evidence, you’re holding a script. But thanks for proving one thing, you’ll believe anything your government spoon feeds you, no matter how absurd.

But by all means, show the world your evidence. Go ahead. We’ll wait.
 
If India had any evidence, they would have shown it in UN and made a lot of fanfare of it. This clearly shows either it was a big security failure or some inside job to weaken the incumbent J&K govt to reimpose governor rule. And can't ignore electoral gains factor as reiterated by former Indian ministers like Yashwant Sinha, Satya pal and numerous other politicians
 
If India had any real evidence, Shashi Tharoor would’ve presented it right then and there, not while hiding behind a dumpster truck in some parking lot.

Theatrics don’t replace proof. And ducking behind garbage doesn’t exactly scream “we’ve got the facts.

Indian taxpayers should be asking for a refund, not just for the missing evidence, but for the performance too.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
If India had any evidence, they would have shown it in UN and made a lot of fanfare of it. This clearly shows either it was a big security failure or some inside job to weaken the incumbent J&K govt to reimpose governor rule. And can't ignore electoral gains factor as reiterated by former Indian ministers like Yashwant Sinha, Satya pal and numerous other politicians
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Big security failure for sure...but that doesn't make Indian govt guilt or orchestrating it...it means they did a bad job preventing Pak State sponsored terrorists from carrying out this dastardly attack.

You guys call any terrorist attack an inside job..it's the same game form 9/11 26/11 and then you accept later. What more to add there other than listen to Hafeez Saeed and masoor azhar and Osama when he was alive and ask yourself why do they all find shelter and VIP treatment in your country.

THe governor rule is funny accusation...we didn't need to hold elections if we didn't want..just stop comparing your kangaroo democracy with ours..please..things don't work in the same way in the largest democracy of the world.

Yes there is electoral gains..absolutely..what election is happening in June or July. Modi doesn't need to flaunt anti Muslim or anti Pakistan credentials..it's a given fact...Indian state elections are dominated by local and economic issues...if this attack was a inside job..why didn't he do this in 2024 when he performed badly...

So seriously guys..its one thing to say even if our terror groups admitted..you haven't provided any proof...it's completely another to accuse India of false flag operation..do you know there is huge risk in doing it with simply zero to minimal reward. Only a dumb idiot would do such an attack.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
If India had any evidence, they would have shown it in UN and made a lot of fanfare of it. This clearly shows either it was a big security failure or some inside job to weaken the incumbent J&K govt to reimpose governor rule. And can't ignore electoral gains factor as reiterated by former Indian ministers like Yashwant Sinha, Satya pal and numerous other politicians
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They did in fact...TRF responsibility was presented in UN..Chinese used veto power to remove it from the declaration...our ambassadors have shown pictures of your armed forces general standing behind saluting terrorists ...wonder who is the boss calling the shots here...
 
The Bald Eagle said:
If India had any evidence, they would have shown it in UN and made a lot of fanfare of it. This clearly shows either it was a big security failure or some inside job to weaken the incumbent J&K govt to reimpose governor rule. And can't ignore electoral gains factor as reiterated by former Indian ministers like Yashwant Sinha, Satya pal and numerous other politicians
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Asif munir has the most to gain ...he was unpopular now he is a field marshall.
Every Indian victory over pak ends with a military coup.
Kargil 71 and now Sindoor..only a matter of time...so electrical gains..lmao...Munir already is failed marshall...
Modi is already immensely popular in India and abroad..he doesn't need the risk of killing Hindu civilians to win Bihar election six months down the line...if even a whiff comes out .he is done and dusted.

Munir on the other hand has nothing to lose and everything to gain..his country and religion celebrates killing innocent's in the name of the religion, so he has the support as he is conducting operations in enemy territory, success or failure doesn't matter as only few foot soldiers are halalled, he knows India would fire some missiles and all..zero risk to his country, and whatever India does..state controlled media and propaganda means he can package it as a victory for the awam to get his failed marshall award. So from an unpopular leader he is now a popular leader and soon the coup master.
 
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straighttalk said:
They did in fact...TRF responsibility was presented in UN..Chinese used veto power to remove it from the declaration...our ambassadors have shown pictures of your armed forces general standing behind saluting terrorists ...wonder who is the boss calling the shots here...
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That’s not evidence, no matter how many times you repeat it. Repetition doesn’t turn fiction into fact.

We’re talking about one of the most heavily fortified regions under Indian military control, and somehow, armed attackers just strolled in, opened fire, and walked out like it was a morning jog in the park.

Within five minutes, the Indian government had its culprit, but weeks later, still can’t provide a shred of evidence to the international community. Not even behind closed doors with diplomats.

That’s not intelligence. That’s incompetence wrapped in theatrics.

India failed diplomatically. If it hadn’t, Shashi Tharoor wouldn’t have been delivering soundbites from behind a dumpster truck in a parking lot, he’d have been at a podium, backed by facts instead of fog.
 
straighttalk said:
Asif munir has the most to gain ...he was unpopular now he is failed marshall.
Every Indian victory over pak ends with a military coup
Kargil 71 and now Sindoor..only a matter of time...so electrical gains..lmao...Munir already is failed marshall...
Modi is already immensely popular in India and abroad..he doesn't need the risk of killing Hindu civilians to win Bihar election six months down the line...if even a whiff comes out .he is done and dusted.

Munir on the other hand has nothing to lose and everything to gain..his country and religion celebrates killing innocent's in the name of the religion, so he has the support as he is conducting operations in enemy territory, success or failure doesn't matter as only few foot soldiers are halalled, he knows India would fire some missiles and all..zero risk to his country, and whatever India does..state controlled media and propaganda means he can package it as a victory for the awam to get his failed marshall award. So from an unpopular leader he is now a popular leader and soon the coup master.
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He’s still unpopular, let’s not kid ourselves. But if Hitler were running Pakistan and a Hindutva Hitler attacked, Pakistan would’ve rallied behind their Hitler in a heartbeat.

It’s not about love for the leader. It’s about defending against the lunatic at the border. Not exactly rocket science. Try to keep up.
 
HalBass9 said:
LOL. That’s not evidence, that’s a fanfic. You’re confusing fantasy with fact. Try again.

And let’s not gloss over the part where they retracted their own claim, blaming it on a “cyber intrusion.”

So let me get this straight, Pakistan is expected to blindly believe either a radical terror outfit or the elected poster boy of Hindutva extremism?

Tell me again, why should anyone trust the word of either LeT or the Indian government when both speak the same language, fear, blame, and propaganda?

And if this is your smoking gun, then you’re not holding evidence, you’re holding a script. But thanks for proving one thing, you’ll believe anything your government spoon feeds you, no matter how absurd.

But by all means, show the world your evidence. Go ahead. We’ll wait.
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Which one is fan fiction - pls be specific

TRF claimed responsibility
TRF is offshoot of LET
LET is a known terrorist group.
LET HQ is in Paksitan and Hafeez Saeed is avip guest of Paksitani state
India presented proof of TRP ownership in UN. China vetoed it.
After the May 7 attack Pak uniformed officers stood behind a UN sanctioned terrorist to pay homage to slain terrorists. India showed this evidence publicly.

So you can identify which statement is factually wrong with a counter proof. India did actually present it at UN and official conferences.
 
straighttalk said:
They did in fact...TRF responsibility was presented in UN..Chinese used veto power to remove it from the declaration...our ambassadors have shown pictures of your armed forces general standing behind saluting terrorists ...wonder who is the boss calling the shots here...
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And don't you know they denied any such statement.

Ok for argument sake Pak establishment did it for regaining popularity but why did you play into their hands...asking this now nth time why not furnish evidence before your operation?? So you are appreciating a govt which STILL couldn't furnish undeniable evidences while you same lot keep on bragging satellite images for every other thing

Then again the same chief is still unpopular, and if he had done that for some nefarious design then why you lot agreed to a ceasefire with alleged "position of strength m"
 
straighttalk said:
Which one is fan fiction - pls be specific

TRF claimed responsibility
TRF is offshoot of LET
LET is a known terrorist group.
LET HQ is in Paksitan and Hafeez Saeed is avip guest of Paksitani state
India presented proof of TRP ownership in UN. China vetoed it.
After the May 7 attack Pak uniformed officers stood behind a UN sanctioned terrorist to pay homage to slain terrorists. India showed this evidence publicly.

So you can identify which statement is factually wrong with a counter proof. India did actually present it at UN and official conferences.
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None of them.

An accusation isn’t evidence.

Evidence is evidence.

India pointing a finger isn’t proof, it’s just noise until something credible backs it up.

Has Indian government provided any credible evidence?
 
HalBass9 said:
None of them.

An accusation isn’t evidence.

Evidence is evidence.

India pointing a finger isn’t proof, it’s just noise until something credible backs it up.

Has Indian government provided any credible evidence?
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When a terrorist group takes ownership and claims responsibility ..that is evidence. So a known murderer in the neighborhood comes forward and claims responsibility for a killing ...then he is punished. Now the murderers dad says even though my son has on his own volution claimed responsibility.. I now need you to prove it independently as based on my lawyers guidance he has withdrawn his confession. Let's understand is that what you are saying.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Lol...the thing is that if you had then Shashi wouldn't have been working on his french speaking skills.
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Pakistan is useful to the West in doing some of their dirty work, as admitted by your Defence minister. So, the West's help on this issue of terror will be very limited and unreliable... hence the recent airstrikes. Of course, I don't think that will work either.

Which is why the Indus Water treaty is very important tool to use for India.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
And don't you know they denied any such statement.

Ok for argument sake Pak establishment did it for regaining popularity but why did you play into their hands...asking this now nth time why not furnish evidence before your operation?? So you are appreciating a govt which STILL couldn't furnish undeniable evidences while you same lot keep on bragging satellite images for every other thing

Then again the same chief is still unpopular, and if he had done that for some nefarious design then why you lot agreed to a ceasefire with alleged "position of strength m"
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Yes after it became a huge issue...their boss ie isi asked them to retract.

You can take satellite images when you expect something to happen..you can't have every inch covered.

Ceasfire was accepted because terrorist sites were blown up on May 7. It was clearly mentioned we don't want to escalate but will retaliate if Pak retaliates. Every action that happened after that was India responding to Pak attacks with higher ferocity. Then when your DGMO reached out within few hours or starting your operation..it was easy for us to accept the offer..as we achieved what we wanted to do..hit the terrorist HQ and suspend indus water.. we lose nothing by accepting the ceasefire.- what else do we gain by continuing the war.
 
RexRex said:
Pakistan is useful to the West in doing some of their dirty work, as admitted by your Defence minister. So their help on this issue will be very limited and unreliable... hence the recent airstrikes.

Of course, I don't think that will work either. Which is why the Indus Water treaty is very important tool to use for India.
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Not sure about this govt and current establishment leadership but certainly this IWT drama would ignite big tensions in future and I bet the China could enter it too later ...The real head source of Brahmaputra
 
straighttalk said:
When a terrorist group takes ownership and claims responsibility ..that is evidence. So a known murderer in the neighborhood comes forward and claims responsibility for a killing ...then he is punished. Now the murderers dad says even though my son has on his own volution claimed responsibility.. I now need you to prove it independently as based on my lawyers guidance he has withdrawn his confession. Let's understand is that what you are saying.
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No one took the responsibility from Pakistan.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Not sure about this govt and current establishment leadership but certainly this IWT drama would ignite big tensions in future and I bet the China could enter it too later ...The real head source of Brahmaputra
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Yes China will do what it wants to do...they are no friend of India and there is no treaty..so what China does is what they want to do..most of the water of Brahmanputra also comes from other tributaries ...and will impact their ally Bangladesh too.

As for tensions..once a dam is built..attacking it will cause flood in Pakistan too
 
RexRex said:
Pakistan is useful to the West in doing some of their dirty work, as admitted by your Defence minister. So, the West's help on this issue of terror will be very limited and unreliable... hence the recent airstrikes. Of course, I don't think that will work either.

Which is why the Indus Water treaty is very important tool to use for India.
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This isn’t a strategic tool, it’s a reckless move that opens up another front. It’s not leverage, it’s a recipe for war.

And let’s be real, India will have to back down. The world isn’t going to sit by and let two nuclear armed nations spiral into conflict over water.
 
So your operation took like 5-6 days to achieve its objective while Pak achieved it in less than half a day...but Pak reached out 😁 👏👏
straighttalk said:
Yes after it became a huge issue...their boss ie isi asked them to retract.

You can take satellite images when you expect something to happen..you can't have every inch covered.

Ceasfire was accepted because terrorist sites were blown up on May 7. It was clearly mentioned we don't want to escalate but will retaliate if Pak retaliates. Every action that happened after that was India responding to Pak attacks with higher ferocity. Then when your DGMO reached out within few hours or starting your operation..it was easy for us to accept the offer..as we achieved what we wanted to do..hit the terrorist HQ and suspend indus water.. we lose nothing by accepting the ceasefire.- what else do we gain by continuing the war.
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RexRex said:
What would suffice as evidence ? If India did provide it, Pakistan would just dismiss it and say it's fabricated.

There's no point.
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Then why send a delegation of diplomats on a world tour?

If India was so sure of its narrative, the “evidence” should’ve spoken for itself. But instead, they flew around the globe like door to door salesmen, peddling accusations with zero proof and hoping someone, anyone, would buy the story.

You don’t need a PR campaign when you actually have evidence.

:afridi
 
HalBass9 said:
This isn’t a strategic tool, it’s a reckless move that opens up another front. It’s not leverage, it’s a recipe for war.

And let’s be real, India will have to back down. The world isn’t going to sit by and let two nuclear armed nations spiral into conflict over water.
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Water and terrorism can't operate together..so if world is satisfied sitting on the sidelines for terrorism...they sure as hell will do so for water.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
So your operation took like 5-6 days to achieve its objective while Pak achieved it in less than half a day...but Pak reached out 😁 👏👏
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So tell me what did you achieve...
Did you get Kashmir
Did you get iwt back
Are we negotiating
Is there third party mediation
Is Kashmir an international issue
Were you able to protect your jehadi brethren..the only state goal of India

So your victory is India accepted ceasfire that you requested...ok I like it hit for 5 days and then accept ceasfire...rinse and repeat
 
straighttalk said:
THere is nothing to discuss really. Treaty is done and dusted ..so India is free to do what it wants. Pak is free to do what you want.
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Pakistan has the legal right to and will take action if and when it deems appropriate. Indians will be like Iranians, watching the destruction from the air and powerless to do anything about it.

Already, no one in the outside world is indulging India anymore.
 
This treaty is unfair on many respect. And it is stupidity of Nehru to sign this treaty.

Other upper riparian countries like Turkey or China has not signed the treaty.

80 percent of water goes to Pakistan and 20 percent to India..how is it fair .stupid congress leaderhsip. Bigger population and bigger geography needs more water

No official exit clause ..another stupidity but it says it is based on spirit of cooperation and friendship. That has been broken by Pakistan state terrorists..so the treaty is null and void.

India needs to first use its fair share of eastern rivers water..that is within the treaty.

Then it needs to build dams to use only the water that will be useful for Indian farmers. And not commit water war.

However every terrorist attack would result in a punitive action. But in times of peace or if Pakistan behaves like a civilized country..water should flow normally so that people lives are not affected.

There is nothing to impose the treaty

The ball is in pakistans court. Stop terrorism and water flows without any issues. Kill civilians in the name of Islam...face water issues. Absolutely free to bomb the dams...you could do that even now...we can't stop the kishenhanj dam from a paf attack ..that's impossible. But the fact it didn't happen means Paksitan won't do it. It's just sabre rattling like the nuke nude interviews.
 
HalBass9 said:
The world isn’t going to sit by and let two nuclear armed nations spiral into conflict over water.
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They absolutely will lol. They couldn't care less what about happens in the subcontinent.

In any case, the water flow will likely be throttled only if there is another attack.
 
straighttalk said:
The ball is in pakistans court. Stop terrorism and water flows without any issues. Kill civilians in the name of Islam...face water issues.
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They would much rather face water issues than stop terrorism on Indian soil.
 
Hitman said:
They would much rather face water issues than stop terrorism on Indian soil.
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India should stop electing Hindutva extremists first.

Kashmir is a disputed territory according to Indian politician, military and Hindu priests.
 
HalBass9 said:
India should stop electing Hindutva extremists first.

Kashmir is a disputed territory according to Indian politician, military and Hindu priests.
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Yes the illegally Paksitani and Chinese occupied part is disputed...legally entire Kashmir was transferred to India. Law matters...claims do not
 
IronShield said:
Pakistan has the legal right to and will take action if and when it deems appropriate. Indians will be like Iranians, watching the destruction from the air and powerless to do anything about it.

Already, no one in the outside world is indulging India anymore.
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Ok boss..
Pak is the darling of the world...
 
HalBass9 said:
India should stop electing Hindutva extremists first.

Kashmir is a disputed territory according to Indian politician, military and Hindu priests.
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Looks like you don't understand democracy. Can't blame you unfortunate ones though, not your fault.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
@uppercut @Devadwal @Bhaijaan @straighttalk what a great diplomatic victory sir 🤣🤣🤣
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Rajnath Singh refuses to sign SCO document as Pak-China snub Pahalgam

China and its 'all-weather friend' Pakistan tried to divert the attention from terrorism in the SCO document, but Rajnath Singh firmly stood his ground on India's stand on terrorism.

No joint statement issued at SCO Summit in China. Document skipped Pahalgam, mentioned Balochistan

Pakistan has accused India of creating unrest in Balochistan

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh refused to sign the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) document that would have diluted India's stand on terrorism and the Pahalgam terror attack, which left 26 dead, sources said. Due to divergence on the issue of terrorism, the SCO decided not to issue a joint statement.

Sources said China, which holds the SCO chair, and its "all-weather friend" Pakistan tried to divert the attention from terrorism in the SCO document, skipping any mention of the Pahalgam attack. However, the document mentioned Balochistan, a veiled attempt to accuse India of creating unrest in the Pakistani province.

However, Rajnath Singh firmly stood his ground on India's stand on terrorism.

The SCO Summit, held in Qingdao, China, saw the Indian and Pakistani defence ministers come face-to-face for the first time since the Pahalgam attack and Operation Sindoor. The chill was evident as no pleasantries were exchanged with Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Asif at the meeting, sources said.

The summit brought together defence leaders from the organisation's ten member states, including China, Russia, Pakistan, and India.

RAJNATH SINGH TEARS INTO PAKISTAN
In his address at the SCO summit, Singh launched an all-out attack on Pakistan without naming it, saying some countries were using cross-border terrorism as an "instrument of policy" to provide shelter to terrorists.

"There should be no place for such double standards. SCO should not hesitate to criticise such nations," the Defence Minister said in a strong statement.

He also raked up the April 22 terror attack in Kashmir's Pahalgam, stressing that its pattern matched with Lashkar-e-Taiba's previous strikes in India.

The Resistance Front (TRF), an offshoot of the Pakistan-based LeT, had claimed responsibility for the attack in Pahalgam's Baisaran Valley, which left 25 tourists and one local Kashmiri dead.

"Dealing with these challenges requires decisive action... India is following a policy of zero tolerance towards terrorism," he underlined.

Pakistan, with help from China, had also managed to get TRF's name removed from the April 25 UN Security Council statement on the Pahalgam terror attack.

Defending Operation Sindoor, where the armed forces destroyed nine terror camps deep inside Pakistan, Rajnath Singh said India was just exercising its right to defend against terrorism and deter future cross-border attacks.

Source: India Today
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I don't think anyone claimed that India won on the diplomatic or media front. The entire objective of the Tharoor lead delegation was that India will deal with Pakistan quite firmly if it doesnt correct its rogue behavior and that the Nuclear bluff will not deter us.

However the holes on your bunkers and underground facilities tell a different story and then there is this reality about water shortage in Pakistan where people are making appeals to Modi to release water:​

 
Haha! Another diplomatic defeat for chaiwala Modi. :yk

This is what happens when a country is run by a stupid moron like Modi.

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tribune.com.pk

India left red-faced at SCO ministerial moot | The Express Tribune

10-nation organisation refuses to toe Delhi's line on terrorism
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India left red-faced at SCO ministerial moot​

10-nation organisation refuses to toe Delhi's line on terrorism

India suffered a diplomatic humiliation on Thursday at the meeting of Defence Ministers of Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) when member states refused to back New Delhi's stance against Pakistan.

The defence members from 10-nation SCO, including host China, Russia, Iran, India, Pakistan and others came together for a two-day huddle in the Chinese city of Qingdao.

The meeting ended without the issuance of a joint communiqué as India refused to sign the document, citing reservations and claiming the statement to be aligned with Pakistan's stance.

The draft joint statement did not mention the Pahalgam attack, despite India's best efforts, but made reference to terrorist incidents in Pakistan, particularly in Balochistan. Except India, all other members endorsed the joint statement.

However, India refused to sign the document, leaving the host country not to issue a joint statement.

Diplomatic sources told The Express Tribune that it was a major diplomatic success for Pakistan and a blow to India, which tried to politicise the SCO meeting and implicate Islamabad.

Although the Indian media tried to spin the narrative and insisted the Indian defence minister stood his ground, former Indian foreign minister and BJP leader Yaswant Singha admitted that it was a total failure of the Modi government.

"India stands completely isolated at the global stage. The SCO communiqué is the latest example where the terror attack at Pahalgam has been ignored and Balochistan has been mentioned. The prime minister has failed completely and must resign," wrote Sinha on X, who served as India's foreign minister during Vajpayee's government.

The reason India could not muster support from other countries was its failure to present any shred of evidence against Pakistan following the Pahalgam attack.

Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, when addressed the SCO meeting did not offer anything new. Instead he referred to the past terrorist incidents as evidence of Pakistan's involvement.

Singh reportedly argued that the joint statement "aligned with Pakistan's narrative" because it did not include the attack, but mentioned terrorist activities in Balochistan, according to the Indian media.

Singh, without explicitly naming Pakistan, urged the SCO to criticise countries that use "cross-border terrorism as an instrument of policy and provide shelter to terrorists". He said members should unite in eliminating terrorism and ensure accountability for those who aid such activities, without mentioning Pakistan.

"Peace and prosperity cannot co-exist with terrorism and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of non-state actors and terror groups. Dealing with these challenges requires decisive action," said Singh, according to a defence ministry statement.

Taking a jibe at his Indian counterpart, Defence Minister Khawaja Asif told the SCO that Pakistan condemned the terrorist attack in the internationally-recognised disputed and illegally-occupied region of Kashmir. "We call upon all states to hold these states to account who planned, financed and sponsored terrorist attacks such as Jaffar Express in Balochistan," he demanded.

He pledged Islamabad's unwavering commitment to SCO's principles and objectives but highlighted the need for resolving long standing issues.

"The international community should ensure a peaceful resolution of the long-standing unresolved conflicts of Kashmir [as such] unresolved conflicts remain a constant threat to global peace and security," he stressed.

The defence minister described terrorism as a common threat which needed to be dealt with collectively.

"All states should refrain from politicising joint efforts against terrorism," the minister added.
 
sweep_shot said:
Haha! Another diplomatic defeat for chaiwala Modi. :yk

This is what happens when a country is run by a stupid moron like Modi.

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tribune.com.pk

India left red-faced at SCO ministerial moot | The Express Tribune

10-nation organisation refuses to toe Delhi's line on terrorism
tribune.com.pk tribune.com.pk

India left red-faced at SCO ministerial moot​

10-nation organisation refuses to toe Delhi's line on terrorism

India suffered a diplomatic humiliation on Thursday at the meeting of Defence Ministers of Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) when member states refused to back New Delhi's stance against Pakistan.

The defence members from 10-nation SCO, including host China, Russia, Iran, India, Pakistan and others came together for a two-day huddle in the Chinese city of Qingdao.

The meeting ended without the issuance of a joint communiqué as India refused to sign the document, citing reservations and claiming the statement to be aligned with Pakistan's stance.

The draft joint statement did not mention the Pahalgam attack, despite India's best efforts, but made reference to terrorist incidents in Pakistan, particularly in Balochistan. Except India, all other members endorsed the joint statement.

However, India refused to sign the document, leaving the host country not to issue a joint statement.

Diplomatic sources told The Express Tribune that it was a major diplomatic success for Pakistan and a blow to India, which tried to politicise the SCO meeting and implicate Islamabad.

Although the Indian media tried to spin the narrative and insisted the Indian defence minister stood his ground, former Indian foreign minister and BJP leader Yaswant Singha admitted that it was a total failure of the Modi government.

"India stands completely isolated at the global stage. The SCO communiqué is the latest example where the terror attack at Pahalgam has been ignored and Balochistan has been mentioned. The prime minister has failed completely and must resign," wrote Sinha on X, who served as India's foreign minister during Vajpayee's government.

The reason India could not muster support from other countries was its failure to present any shred of evidence against Pakistan following the Pahalgam attack.

Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, when addressed the SCO meeting did not offer anything new. Instead he referred to the past terrorist incidents as evidence of Pakistan's involvement.

Singh reportedly argued that the joint statement "aligned with Pakistan's narrative" because it did not include the attack, but mentioned terrorist activities in Balochistan, according to the Indian media.

Singh, without explicitly naming Pakistan, urged the SCO to criticise countries that use "cross-border terrorism as an instrument of policy and provide shelter to terrorists". He said members should unite in eliminating terrorism and ensure accountability for those who aid such activities, without mentioning Pakistan.

"Peace and prosperity cannot co-exist with terrorism and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of non-state actors and terror groups. Dealing with these challenges requires decisive action," said Singh, according to a defence ministry statement.

Taking a jibe at his Indian counterpart, Defence Minister Khawaja Asif told the SCO that Pakistan condemned the terrorist attack in the internationally-recognised disputed and illegally-occupied region of Kashmir. "We call upon all states to hold these states to account who planned, financed and sponsored terrorist attacks such as Jaffar Express in Balochistan," he demanded.

He pledged Islamabad's unwavering commitment to SCO's principles and objectives but highlighted the need for resolving long standing issues.

"The international community should ensure a peaceful resolution of the long-standing unresolved conflicts of Kashmir [as such] unresolved conflicts remain a constant threat to global peace and security," he stressed.

The defence minister described terrorism as a common threat which needed to be dealt with collectively.

"All states should refrain from politicising joint efforts against terrorism," the minister added.
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BJP need to understand their propaganda may work with low-IQ and thick bhakts domestically. But, it is unlikely to work with outside world.

Outside world is aware of BJP's stupid and retarded propagandas. :inti
 
HalBass9 said:
Over 700k Indian troops, largest troops concentration in any region.
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Do you think they are there to suppress the mostly peaceful Kashmiris or to protect the country from the Paksitani terrorist..there are countless such separatist movements in India..not all requires such a large troop presence...also it's a border region with a very aggressive neighbor that tries to push jehadi terrorists ..so the troop presence is mostly at the border and not against civilians. Ofcourse sometimes they are called for counter insurgency operations.
 
sweep_shot said:
BJP need to understand their propaganda may work with low-IQ and thick bhakts domestically. But, it is unlikely to work with outside world.

Outside world is aware of BJP's stupid and retarded propagandas. :inti
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Yes let's learn the virtue of peace and love and liberty and tolerance from the most violent religion in the world ..the one that fights against Jews Christians Hindus Muslims Buddhist
 
straighttalk said:
Do you think they are there to suppress the mostly peaceful Kashmiris or to protect the country from the Paksitani terrorist..there are countless such separatist movements in India..not all requires such a large troop presence...also it's a border region with a very aggressive neighbor that tries to push jehadi terrorists ..so the troop presence is mostly at the border and not against civilians. Ofcourse sometimes they are called for counter insurgency operations.
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You ask question with talking points and you answer question with talking points.

:afridi
 
Hitman said:
Looks like you don't understand democracy. Can't blame you unfortunate ones though, not your fault.
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I said “elect”, you know, like in a democracy? Try reading without dragging your bruised ego from past replies where you got called out for defending genocide. It might help with comprehension.

And of course @uppercut liked it, another one whose wet dream involves watching a genocide unfold in India like it’s a Netflix special. Birds of a twisted feather
 
straighttalk said:
And you avoid answering questions..or providing fact..
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Bhai, how am I suppose to provide facts and answer to talking points?

You are trying to discuss India hit Pakistani airbase, every Pakistani confirmed it as every one saw it live on their TV. - that is the reply to everything else from your side.

For y’all oct 7 was the starting point of the conflict.

And, the end point for Pakistan vs India recent conflict was just Pak getting bombed from India.
 
HalBass9 said:
Bhai, how am I suppose to provide facts and answer to talking points?

You are trying to discuss India hit Pakistani airbase, every Pakistani confirmed it as every one saw it live on their TV. - that is the reply to everything else from your side.

For y’all oct 7 was the starting point of the conflict.

And, the end point for Pakistan vs India recent conflict was just Pak getting bombed from India.
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I am not..I was referring to your question about troops presence..tell me how many bangladeshis you killed in 1971...it goes to millions..that's genocide..tell me incidents where Indian army went into colleges or homes and raped and killed men and women...hardly any case..there have been encounters false identity killings..shooting at rioters..there have been deaths and some human right violations...but no genocide or oppression...ofcourse if there is terrorism
.there will be state presence ..just look at your Khyber and Balochistan..why not add a plebiscite for their independence too
 
Devadwal said:
Enjoyed. I already Stop posting :kp
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Woo hoo! @Devadwal stopped posting. One less sanghi. :inti

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Indonesian seminar highlighted the losses of pak air force

idrw.org

Indonesian Seminar Highlights Pakistani Air Force Losses in India-Pakistan Clash - Indian Defence Research Wing

SOURCE: AFI At a recent seminar hosted by the Indonesian Air Force University, focused on analyzing the May 2025 India-Pakistan air conflict, an Indonesian Air Force official presented a detailed slide outlining significant losses suffered by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) during India’s Operation...
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A seminar hosted by Indonesian airforce authorities highlighted the pak airforce losses.slowly and surely pak lies are caught by everyone including their own ummah.now their losses are used for analysing and developing new strategies

@straighttalk @uppercut @Hitman
 
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