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A venue-by-venue overview of ICC World Cup 2023 pitches

Pretty comprehensive - good post.
 
Good post.

These World Cup pitches are disgraceful, as flat as the roads were in 2019 England WC.
There is absolutely no balance between bat and ball.
FTB's festival.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Good post.

These World Cup pitches are disgraceful, as flat as the roads were in 2019 England WC.
There is absolutely no balance between bat and ball.
FTB's festival.
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Delhi, Chennai, Ahmadabad, Lucknow all have decent support for bowlers. Bangalore will help seamers, but the boundaries are shorter. So it's a high scoring venue. Except Ahmadabad, Lucknow and Dharamsala, i have watched matches in person in all other venues. They all will produce great, fun and entertaining matches. Both ICC and Telecasters won't be happy if the pitches are too bowler friendly. A lot of these pitches would be totally different in a test match.
 
Brilliant post mate! Great analysis.

Looks like we are in for a very high scoring world Cup. Lucknow, Delhi and may be Dharamsala will be slightly low scoring ones.

Batting first appears to be the way to go except in Dharamsala and Mumbai.
 
We are likely to see an increase in the first inning total in almost every ground. The batsmen are dominating the game at the moment and we are likely to see plenty of 300+ totals in this world cup.
 
The crowds want 4s and 6s so there will be big scores. But the crucial games and KO's will not see high scores just bcos of the pure pressure scenario. And it's a long world cup with 9 games, so fitness and conditioning will be very vital.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Why would BCCI agree to play Afghanistan in Dehli?
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Delhi is a pretty average stadium. Capital city of India, deserves a much better stadium. But there is little they can do as it is very crowded. I am surprised Bangalore did not get a better Indian match.
 
SportsWarrior said:
Delhi is a pretty average stadium. Capital city of India, deserves a much better stadium. But there is little they can do as it is very crowded. I am surprised Bangalore did not get a better Indian match.
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Looking at those stats from the stadium in Dehli, I’m sure the Afghans will be licking their lips.
 
That kills the myth of "spin friendly Indian conditions" in white-ball cricket. Tests are probably a different story but those numbers wouldn't look out of place in the SENA nations. Few observations:

1) Clear advantages to pace and batting 1st at nearly all venues, especially Pune. The only venues with a definite advantage to chasing are Mumbai and Dharamsala. No venue enjoys a majority wicket-split for spin.

2) I thought Chennai was meant to be a spin-friendly venue, yet spin averages 44 with left-arm spin faring poorly in the last five ODIs. However spin SR improves significantly in chases. Toss will be crucial vs AFG.

3) Anything either full or short just seems to get punished at Hyderabad. Good and back of a length is way to go. Surprised that left arm pace averages 102 at Hyderabad ! Hopefully Shaheen brings this down.

4) Lucknow is perfectly balanced between pace/spin and batting 1st/2nd.

Pakistan forget this notion it's a sin to change a winning combination. Tailor your selections to the strategies required at each particular venue.
 
Here are some Pak venues and what they can expect.

1) Hyderabad - NED and SL - Run fest. Win against NED and 50/50 against SL
2) Ahmedabad - India - This will not be very high scoring unless either team panics. It will probably be 280/290 game. Either team shouldn't lose their heads, if they lose few wickets up front - Loss
3) BLR - Australia - Run fest as it will be D/N. Expect lots of dew in the evening. Very difficult to defend anything - Loss
BLR - NZ - Day match. I don't remember a day match at all at this venue. Only in 80s i remember watching few matches during day. Not sure if they were international or not. No one knows how the pitch will behave, but BLR will have nice weather by that time and ball might swing few overs. It will most probably be run fest and 50/50 for Pak
4) Chennai - Afg - have to be careful. Most of the time Chennai LOI pitch helps batters. If it spins it could become 50/50. Otherwise Pak win
CHennai - SA - 55/45 in favor of Pak
5) Kolkota - - England - Run fest and England will win
Bangladesh - Pak will win, but expect lot of support for BD

best of luck. Pak has to convert, 50/50 chances against SL, NZ and SA to have good chance of getting into Semis
 
Bangaore is a high altitude ground. Sixes will fly there. Six hitters will thoroughly enjoy that ground.
 
Markhor said:
That kills the myth of "spin friendly Indian conditions" in white-ball cricket. Tests are probably a different story but those numbers wouldn't look out of place in the SENA nations. Few observations:

1) Clear advantages to pace and batting 1st at nearly all venues, especially Pune. The only venues with a definite advantage to chasing are Mumbai and Dharamsala. No venue enjoys a majority wicket-split for spin.

2) I thought Chennai was meant to be a spin-friendly venue, yet spin averages 44 with left-arm spin faring poorly in the last five ODIs. However spin SR improves significantly in chases. Toss will be crucial vs AFG.

3) Anything either full or short just seems to get punished at Hyderabad. Good and back of a length is way to go. Surprised that left arm pace averages 102 at Hyderabad ! Hopefully Shaheen brings this down.

4) Lucknow is perfectly balanced between pace/spin and batting 1st/2nd.

Pakistan forget this notion it's a sin to change a winning combination. Tailor your selections to the strategies required at each particular venue.
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This is why I keep talking about the myths about Indian pitches.

Unfortunately , India is the least data driven top side and we have selected 3 spinners and are light on batting and pace.

Australia and England have nailed their selections .

ODI cricket, even in India, is all about pace, batting depth and maybe 1 specialist wrist spinner.


After that, it's all about batting all rounders who can bowl part time spin.

India's lack of batting all-rounders will cost us.

Australia are outright favourites at this point. Just need Travis Head back and no team is stopping them.
 
Hyderabad and Bengaluru seem to be the two flattest wickets. I am inclined to think that we should chase at least against Netherlands.

Against SL probably we should bat first given that it's the second consecutive match at the venue in as many days.
 
Hyderabad and Bengaluru seem to be the two flattest wickets. I am inclined to think that we should chase at least against Netherlands.

Against SL probably we should bat first given that it's the second consecutive match at the venue in as many days.
 
mumtaz said:
Hyderabad and Bengaluru seem to be the two flattest wickets. I am inclined to think that we should chase at least against Netherlands.

Against SL probably we should bat first given that it's the second consecutive match at the venue in as many days.
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Bangaluru wicket is true. We can't strictly go by T20. In ODIs conditions change over the course of 50 overs. It is not the wicket that is making it a high scoring venue. It is the altitude much like wanderers. Whenever the pitch is true balls fly at Wanderers. Bangalore is similar. Good bowlers can still extract something.Siraj was great here in the IPL. But six hitters can win matches out of nowhere. Rohit sharma has unreal record here. He has played 4 ODIs has hit 28 sixes.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Bangaluru wicket is true. We can't strictly go by T20. In ODIs conditions change over the course of 50 overs. It is not the wicket that is making it a high scoring venue. It is the altitude much like wanderers. Whenever the pitch is true balls fly at Wanderers. Bangalore is similar. Good bowlers can still extract something.Siraj was great here in the IPL. But six hitters can win matches out of nowhere. Rohit sharma has unreal record here. He has played 4 ODIs has hit 28 sixes.
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Makes sense. Another bowl first venue then for Pakistan against Australia. Hard ground to defend.
 
This Dharamsala outfield getting very poor reviews - is it safe to play there?

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[Reporter:]

Just wanted to ask about the outfield as well. We obviously saw quite a few players sort of slipping over the deep throughout both innings. What was your take on it? Was the ground fit to host this game?

[Jonathan Trott:]

I don't think that's a decision for me to sit here and make an assessment of. I just think if you've got players unsure of whether they can dive, we see the product of cricket all around the world where players are taught and encouraged to improve their fielding. And when you've got players worried about getting injured, I mean, we're lucky Mujeeb he hasn't got a serious knee injury towards the end. Yes, he probably shouldn't have dived on his knee, but we saw so I think it was Devon Conway from New Zealand early on as well.
 
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This Dharamsala outfield getting very poor reviews - is it safe to play there?

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[Reporter:]

Just wanted to ask about the outfield as well. We obviously saw quite a few players sort of slipping over the deep throughout both innings. What was your take on it? Was the ground fit to host this game?

[Jonathan Trott:]

I don't think that's a decision for me to sit here and make an assessment of. I just think if you've got players unsure of whether they can dive, we see the product of cricket all around the world where players are taught and encouraged to improve their fielding. And when you've got players worried about getting injured, I mean, we're lucky Mujeeb he hasn't got a serious knee injury towards the end. Yes, he probably shouldn't have dived on his knee, but we saw so I think it was Devon Conway from New Zealand early on as well.
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Mohali should be there instead of Dharamsala
 
We have come to know that Delhi stadium is different from expectations. It is the highest scoring ground where 400 can be scored and chased as well.
Secondly, I heard that Bengaluru had some recent changes after which the average scores might drop.
 
Gautam Gambhir said:

"You can’t make such tracks, which have nothing for the bowlers. Such pitches are bad exhibitions for cricket. There has to be something for the pacers and spinners. Scoring 400 runs or 350 runs will not help the future generations who want to make cricket their profession,”
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Gautam Gambhir said:

"You can’t make such tracks, which have nothing for the bowlers. Such pitches are bad exhibitions for cricket. There has to be something for the pacers and spinners. Scoring 400 runs or 350 runs will not help the future generations who want to make cricket their profession,”
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He is from Delhi. He probably would have never seen a Delhi pitch like this. ICC has definitely botched it.
 
A fair bit of dew in Lucknow this evening. And it is only mid-October. It will get worse as the tourament progresses

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These pitches, along with poor organization by BCCI, have sucked the life out of this world cup so far. There's no indication that it will get better
 
the pitches are very good overall. there is no sameness to these pitches. We will see big outstanding scores, crawling spinning tracks, slow and uneven bounces and then fast tracks with bounces. Any team with single dimensional bowling and batting attacks will struggle. Right now India, NZ and SA seems to everything covered. Good batting with mix of attacking and classical batsmanship who can attack and defend, good set of spinners and great fast bowlers.. Eng has the potential to pick up and match them. Pak has to get good spinners and attacking batsman for pattas. others so and so.
 
Historical stats mean nothing because the scores that we see today are significantly higher in the modern game.
 
SportsWarrior said:
The stats in the OP is for the last five games..
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I appreciate that but what I'm after is the average 1st innings scores/average winning totals in the 1st innings in recent times (last 5 years).

What good is historical totals?
 
topspin said:
Historical stats mean nothing because the scores that we see today are significantly higher in the modern game.
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There are two aspects that will impact the historical pattern

1) Relaid surfaces
2) In any world cup apart from home team , all the other teams face each other in a neutral territory. So the result may not be exactly the same as what we predict. For instance Austarlia vs SA in Australia is not exactly the same as Australia vs SA in India.
 
Everyone on TV is saying that the Pitch has changed it's character dramatically from India game to this game.

I mentioned about India getting spin heavy tracks against SENA and people here were saying ICC will oversee the pitches. I mentioned if BCCI want to do something they do it.. ICC is a bloody no body.

Against Afghanistan we saw a dead track when Delhi was known for Spin and low scorers ahead of the tournament. That negated Afghan's spin threat.

How can anyone explain this? Esp the Chennai pitch.
 
sam_ahm said:
Everyone on TV is saying that the Pitch has changed it's character dramatically from India game to this game.

I mentioned about India getting spin heavy tracks against SENA and people here were saying ICC will oversee the pitches. I mentioned if BCCI want to do something they do it.. ICC is a bloody no body.

Against Afghanistan we saw a dead track when Delhi was known for Spin and low scorers ahead of the tournament. That negated Afghan's spin threat.

How can anyone explain this? Esp the Chennai pitch.
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Its just not about india. In 2019 world cup england Got All the pitch which they were wanted. ICC can instruct only but at the ends local curator prepared pitch for any ICC events .
 
Rohit Sharma in his presser

[Reporter:]

Is a toss going to be important because of the dew now?

[Rohit Sharma:]

Honestly, I don't know how much of a factor it is going to be, because in Delhi, we were expecting dew to come in. It didn't come. Chennai also, it was after probably 30 overs. So, you are done with 75% of the game by then. So, I don't think toss is going to play a massive factor. It is what the team is comfortable doing, whether it is chasing, posting a total, whatever that is. You know, whatever the team is comfortable doing, we try and do that.


Babar in his presser

Dew and toss - will they be big factors?

"All the games we have seems so far, toss has been vital to the outcome of the game as the pitch seems to behave very nicely under lights; We saw some dew last night here, but we will ask the match referee and umpires if they will spray the field or not"
 
sam_ahm said:
Everyone on TV is saying that the Pitch has changed it's character dramatically from India game to this game.

I mentioned about India getting spin heavy tracks against SENA and people here were saying ICC will oversee the pitches. I mentioned if BCCI want to do something they do it.. ICC is a bloody no body.

Against Afghanistan we saw a dead track when Delhi was known for Spin and low scorers ahead of the tournament. That negated Afghan's spin threat.

How can anyone explain this? Esp the Chennai pitch.
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Agree about this.

Interesting to see what the pitch does against pakistan. We can certainly be sure it won't be a swinging / seaming wicket by this logic because Pakistan pacers blowing away India's top order is the biggest risk for India in the game.

So most likely it will be a flat wicket where India know they can outbat Pakistan or secondly a spinning track as they know Pakistan's spinners won't pose as much of a threat particularly to the settled Indian middle order.

My money would be on a flat track.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
This is why I keep talking about the myths about Indian pitches.

Unfortunately , India is the least data driven top side and we have selected 3 spinners and are light on batting and pace.

Australia and England have nailed their selections .

ODI cricket, even in India, is all about pace, batting depth and maybe 1 specialist wrist spinner.


After that, it's all about batting all rounders who can bowl part time spin.

India's lack of batting all-rounders will cost us.

Australia are outright favourites at this point. Just need Travis Head back and no team is stopping them.
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Whoops- still time to bounce back but they will need to beat most of Eng Pak SL and NZ, and avoid a slip up vs Afg or Bang.
 
sam_ahm said:
Everyone on TV is saying that the Pitch has changed it's character dramatically from India game to this game.

I mentioned about India getting spin heavy tracks against SENA and people here were saying ICC will oversee the pitches. I mentioned if BCCI want to do something they do it.. ICC is a bloody no body.

Against Afghanistan we saw a dead track when Delhi was known for Spin and low scorers ahead of the tournament. That negated Afghan's spin threat.

How can anyone explain this? Esp the Chennai pitch.
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That Delhi track was relaid before SA vs SL . Not specifically for Afghanistan. Rabada mentioned there was more grass on that surface and in Lucknow too. If those tracks had to survive 5 World Cup games, they probably had to be relaid because they were so slow to begin with.

ICC usually send a pitch consultant but its the local curators who make the pitches AFAIK. England would have made 400 pitches in the previous World Cup too but the rain did not allow that . Many thought ICC were responsible for it.

I don't think ICC has much say anywhere. They'll just make sure the surfaces are not sub-standard and that's about it. Besides, you were saying that the pitches were too flat. Chennai was not a flat wicket and we had a low scoring thriller.

We can't make WACA/Newlands style pitches. If its a low scoring pitch, then its going to be a dusty, crusty pitch like the OZ game pitch. Otherwise its going to be a belter. What sort of pitch do you think is even possible?
 
sam_ahm said:
Everyone on TV is saying that the Pitch has changed it's character dramatically from India game to this game.

I mentioned about India getting spin heavy tracks against SENA and people here were saying ICC will oversee the pitches. I mentioned if BCCI want to do something they do it.. ICC is a bloody no body.

Against Afghanistan we saw a dead track when Delhi was known for Spin and low scorers ahead of the tournament. That negated Afghan's spin threat.

How can anyone explain this? Esp the Chennai pitch.
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lol, if India gets spin heavy tracks they will lose. the current team is very suspect against spinners, especially left arm spinners. moreover except may be Smith's wicket i don't remember any wickets were for any major turning balls
 
Forum363 said:
Agree about this.

Interesting to see what the pitch does against pakistan. We can certainly be sure it won't be a swinging / seaming wicket by this logic because Pakistan pacers blowing away India's top order is the biggest risk for India in the game.

So most likely it will be a flat wicket where India know they can outbat Pakistan or secondly a spinning track as they know Pakistan's spinners won't pose as much of a threat particularly to the settled Indian middle order.

My money would be on a flat track.
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Flat wicket for sure
 
MenInG said:
Rohit Sharma in his presser

[Reporter:]

Is a toss going to be important because of the dew now?

[Rohit Sharma:]

Honestly, I don't know how much of a factor it is going to be, because in Delhi, we were expecting dew to come in. It didn't come. Chennai also, it was after probably 30 overs. So, you are done with 75% of the game by then. So, I don't think toss is going to play a massive factor. It is what the team is comfortable doing, whether it is chasing, posting a total, whatever that is. You know, whatever the team is comfortable doing, we try and do that.


Babar in his presser

Dew and toss - will they be big factors?

"All the games we have seems so far, toss has been vital to the outcome of the game as the pitch seems to behave very nicely under lights; We saw some dew last night here, but we will ask the match referee and umpires if they will spray the field or not"
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I dont like that- Babar is soooo easy to read. We will bowl first if we win the toss. We need to bat and put 330 on the board. Then it is all about 10 wickets
 
Abdullah said:
Whoops- still time to bounce back but they will need to beat most of Eng Pak SL and NZ, and avoid a slip up vs Afg or Bang.
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They need Travis Head back. I mentioned that in my post. If he doesn't make it soon enough, they'll continue to struggle.

They simply can't balance the side without him.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
That Delhi track was relaid before SA vs SL . Not specifically for Afghanistan. Rabada mentioned there was more grass on that surface and in Lucknow too. If those tracks had to survive 5 World Cup games, they probably had to be relaid because they were so slow to begin with.

ICC usually send a pitch consultant but its the local curators who make the pitches AFAIK. England would have made 400 pitches in the previous World Cup too but the rain did not allow that . Many thought ICC were responsible for it.

I don't think ICC has much say anywhere. They'll just make sure the surfaces are not sub-standard and that's about it. Besides, you were saying that the pitches were too flat. Chennai was not a flat wicket and we had a low scoring thriller.

We can't make WACA/Newlands style pitches. If its a low scoring pitch, then its going to be a dusty, crusty pitch like the OZ game pitch. Otherwise its going to be a belter. What sort of pitch do you think is even possible?
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No, chennai there was puff of dust when the ball lands in the Australia game that's a clear indication of a very dry wicket. In fact Aussies could have done better if they had a world class spinner or so but they did not have, today it has become just a decent track, like how they want it to be, basically the India game have customized ones.

This is not surprising because we've prepared dust bowls in test matches for a decade now.

I'm not at all happy about this though. If this is the case, it's not fair.
 
There is this new challenge. Each major venue has more than one pitch. Could be red soil or black soil. Or it could be combination of black and red soil It is not one size fits all. You still have to inspect the pitch before picking the side. Today NZ read it perfectly. Definitely lot of bounce. They went with lockie.
 
sam_ahm said:
No, chennai there was puff of dust when the ball lands in the Australia game that's a clear indication of a very dry wicket. In fact Aussies could have done better if they had a world class spinner or so but they did not have, today it has become just a decent track, like how they want it to be, basically the India game have customized ones.

This is not surprising because we've prepared dust bowls in test matches for a decade now.

I'm not at all happy about this though. If this is the case, it's not fair.
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Dry wicket , yes. But under lights it didn't grip as much but the new ball was doing much more. So, it was a balanced game.

Thr ball that Hazlewood bowled to Rohit seamed massively(4th or 5th highest seaming ball in this World Cup acc. to ball tracking )

Whereas when India bowled, the new ball wasn't doing nearly as much.

Had Marsh held on to the Kohli catch , we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Even if India are "preparing " pitches, it's a very risky strategy and is not inherently unfair.

We have lost plenty when these wickets have backfired.

Australia themselves have won on these wickets. So there are no excuses for anyone in a tournament like this.

Nobody stopped AFG from smashing their way to 350 on a flat track .

Nobody stopped Australia from batting more responsibly and getting to 250 and holding on to their catches.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Dry wicket , yes. But under lights it didn't grip as much but the new ball was doing much more. So, it was a balanced game.

Thr ball that Hazlewood bowled to Rohit seamed massively(4th or 5th highest seaming ball in this World Cup acc. to ball tracking )

Whereas when India bowled, the new ball wasn't doing nearly as much.

Had Marsh held on to the Kohli catch , we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Even if India are "preparing " pitches, it's a very risky strategy and is not inherently unfair.

We have lost plenty when these wickets have backfired.

Australia themselves have won on these wickets. So there are no excuses for anyone in a tournament like this.

Nobody stopped AFG from smashing their way to 350 on a flat track .

Nobody stopped Australia from batting more responsibly and getting to 250 and holding on to their catches.
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Ya, that's right, but we all know it won't happen... Afghanistan won't score 400 against India ever, their best chance was to have a low scoring game where their spinners come into play.

Aussies it's quite obvious struggle against spin.

Of course as I myself said, they can all play better and in the end it's the same pitch for both teams... I'm just saying they will prepare the one which suits India more. I personally think it's unfair because it's an ICC event. Home bilaterals I'm all for it.

That's my view, I'm saying more from a neutral perspective, if I think from a fan perspective we can justify anything.
 
sam_ahm said:
Ya, that's right, but we all know it won't happen... Afghanistan won't score 400 against India ever, their best chance was to have a low scoring game where their spinners come into play.

Aussies it's quite obvious struggle against spin.

Of course as I myself said, they can all play better and in the end it's the same pitch for both teams... I'm just saying they will prepare the one which suits India more. I personally think it's unfair because it's an ICC event. Home bilaterals I'm all for it.

That's my view, I'm saying more from a neutral perspective, if I think from a fan perspective we can justify anything.
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But we beat Australia on flat wickets as well in the bilateral series just before the World Cup?

And Afghanistan have never beaten a Top 6 side regardless of pitch?

I don't think AFG have the ability to beat a full strength India on any pitch in this format. Maybe in T20's.
 
This wc is so boring not a single close match other than 1 or 2 venues pitches have nothing in it for the bowlers
 
7sins said:
This wc is so boring not a single close match other than 1 or 2 venues pitches have nothing in it for the bowlers
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So far only 2-3 matches were played between big teams.
 
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No, chennai there was puff of dust when the ball lands in the Australia game that's a clear indication of a very dry wicket. In fact Aussies could have done better if they had a world class spinner or so but they did not have, today it has become just a decent track, like how they want it to be, basically the India game have customized ones.

This is not surprising because we've prepared dust bowls in test matches for a decade now.

I'm not at all happy about this though. If this is the case, it's not fair.
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Australia won the toss. They could have fielded first on a dry wicket and unleashed zampa. Si can't blame anyone else. This is a very normal typical chennai pitch. Definitely not 199 pitch. They were coasting up to a point. But you have to see the quality of bowling. Ashwin the local guy, Jaddu, kuldeep all have a psychological edge over the Aussies.
 
Should not judge a pitch the way Aus batted on it. They have probably the worst 4-7 of any of the major teams
 
Pitch in Bangalore is renowned for being one of the flattest wickets and I have no doubt that the Pakistan vs Australia match will be a high scoring game.
 
To the fellow Indian posters, just out of curiosity why Ahmedabad is given the biggest stadium? Are there more cricket fans there? Or did Ahmedabad have a previous stadium which was smaller? I would have thought the biggest stadium would have been in Mumbai or Delhi?
 
Nado_ said:
To the fellow Indian posters, just out of curiosity why Ahmedabad is given the biggest stadium? Are there more cricket fans there? Or did Ahmedabad have a previous stadium which was smaller? I would have thought the biggest stadium would have been in Mumbai or Delhi?
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That stadium's original name was Motera. First test happened in 1983. That was largely a secondary stadium until Modi came to power. Since he is from Gujarat and ground is situated in Gujarat they rebuilt to increase the capacity and named after Modi. IPL opening match happens at Modi stadium. Final happens there. World cup opening match happened there. World cup final will happen there. Marquee match India/Pakistan will happen there. You see the pattern?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
That stadium's original name was Motera. First test happened in 1983. That was largely a secondary stadium until Modi came to power. Since he is from Gujarat and ground is situated in Gujarat they rebuilt to increase the capacity and named after Modi. IPL opening match happens at Modi stadium. Final happens there. World cup opening match happened there. World cup final will happen there. Marquee match India/Pakistan will happen there. You see the pattern?
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Ok thanks for the info , was just curious as I thought the capital or largest city would have been home to the biggest ground. Have you ever been to the ground whilst full must be a next level atmosphere
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Pitch in Bangalore is renowned for being one of the flattest wickets and I have no doubt that the Pakistan vs Australia match will be a high scoring game.
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BLR Pitch is a true pitch. It has something for everyone. High scores are because it is a smaller ground and BLR is at a high altitude. Usually balls travel well in high altitudes and big six hitters will enjoy it
 
"I'll Answer This In English As...": Rahul Dravid On ICC's Average Pitch Ratings In World Cup

Among the four Cricket World Cup venues where the Indian cricket team has played, two - Chennai and Ahmedabad—have received 'average' rating for pitch by the International Cricket Council (ICC).

The ODI Cricket World Cup 2023 is in full swing. All the teams have played at least four matches each and their is a clear demarcation between the teams that have done well and others. The Rohit Sharma-led Indian cricket team and the 2019 runners-up New Zealand have looked the best side so far with no losses yet at the Cricket World Cup 2023. The Indian cricket team started its campaign with a win against Australia in Chennai on October 8 and then it went on to beat Pakistan in Ahmedabad on October 14. It also defeated Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

Among the four venues where the Indian cricket team has played, two - Chennai and Ahmedabad - have received 'average' rating for pitch by the International Cricket Council (ICC).

Till October 15, these were the only two pitches in the Cricket World Cup that were rated 'average'. The others were rated 'good' or 'very good'.

The ICC's average rating given to two pitches involving India matches hasn't gone down well with head coach Rahul Dravid, who "respectfully disagreed" with the world body on Saturday, saying an ODI match is not just about batters and their pyrotechnics.

India skittled out Pakistan for 191 in 42.5 overs in Ahmedabad, while in Chennai, the hosts bowled out Australia for 199 in 49.3 overs.

“Main definitely, respectfully disagree karunga. Vo good wickets they.(I will definitely, respectfully, disagree with the average rating given for those two wickets.) I'll answer this in English because I might get myself into trouble!" Dravid said as the press room broke into laughter.

"I will definitely respectfully disagree with the average rating given for those two wickets. I think they were good wickets. If you only want to see 350 (run) games and rate only those wickets as good, then I disagree with that. I think, you have to see different skills on display as well," Dravid said.

"It's not about if we wanted to see only 4s and 6s being hit, then we have T20 wickets as well, where, honestly, in Delhi or in Pune, probably 350-plus wickets as well. Only those are good wickets, then why are the bowlers here? Why have spinners at all, for that matter?"

Dravid said an ODI game is all about showing different skills of players and not just hitting.

"I disagree with that (just hitting) because I think we should see all skills on display, the ability to rotate strike through the middle. See the quality of watching (Ravindra) Jadeja bowl or a (Mitchell) Santner bowl or a (Adam) Zampa bowl or watching Kane Williamson rotate the strike through the middle, Virat Kohli and KL Rahul the way they batted against Australia. Those are skills as well. Those also need to come out and be shown and be displayed," he said.

"Some of the wickets, even we have played, I mean, honestly, in Delhi and Pune, rotating the strike in the middle overs wasn't necessarily a very difficult skill. The contest was about who could hit more 4s and 6s. So that's not the only way, in my opinion, respectfully, to be able to judge wickets. I think we need to have a better way of deciding what is good and average.

"Sometimes wickets will turn a bit, sometimes they will seam a bit, they will swing a bit, they will bounce a bit. All we want to see is sixes and fours being hit in 350 scores as good wickets, then I disagree," the former India captain added.

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This is from the ICC

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Pitch and Outfield Ratings

ICC receives a rating on the performance of the pitch and the outfield for every Test Match, One Day International and Twenty20 International played between the countries. Pitches and outfields are marked after the match has ended by the ICC Match Referee on duty at the match. The rating is then provided as feedback to the host Member Board to assist in future pitch and outfield preparations for international matches at the relevant venue. In addition, if a pitch or outfield is marked as substandard the relevant Home Board and the venue are required to explain why the pitch and/or outfield performed below the required standard. A pitch or outfield is deemed to be substandard if it receives a rating of poor or unfit. Sanctions may be applied by ICC to a venue that presents a substandard pitch or outfield for international cricket.

The performance of pitches and outfields are rated as follows:

Very Good, Good, Average, Below Average, Poor, Unfit.


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The wickets may be deemed okay, but the joke is that the ICC has rated the Dharamshala outfield as average even after all that has gone on. That is a joke
 
FearlessRoar said:
Fielders cannot dive due to injury risk.

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Can you explain a bit more. I saw that and wondered why bumrah didn’t dive just walked the ball to the boundary thinking he must be saving his knees. Is there something about the ground that players don’t dive?

I wonder if there’s also some unique attributes of this ground due to altitude. Certainly it plays a part in jo’berg where the ball travels more. Does it swing more?

Does it have more dew? It must be getting cold there now in October.
 
Dharmshala shows how much Indian cricket has progressed infact its the home of KXI Punjab, they have two home grounds Mohali and Dharamshala the popularity or success of IPL is such that some teams have 2 home venues like Dehli also Delhi and Raipur amazing
 
Abid Z said:
Can you explain a bit more. I saw that and wondered why bumrah didn’t dive just walked the ball to the boundary thinking he must be saving his knees. Is there something about the ground that players don’t dive?

I wonder if there’s also some unique attributes of this ground due to altitude. Certainly it plays a part in jo’berg where the ball travels more. Does it swing more?

Does it have more dew? It must be getting cold there now in October.
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Outfield is not stable.. knee might get stuck in mud and lead to injury .
 
Yet I don't get how the ICC rates the Dharamshala outfield as 'average'

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For Pakistan vs Afghanistan, Match 22, the straight boundary is a bit long, and the square boundary is small. Spinners can't afford to bowl half-trackers today.

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Dharamshala has been a great venue but make the association work on outfield, which has been quite poor and deteriorating reputation.

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Playing on such field is real challenge. Why BCCI is not taking it under consideration?

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The boundary is not that huge for today's match between Pakistan and Bangladesh.

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A poor outfield for semi final between India and New Zealand in Mumbai

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Rohit Sharma about the Ahmedabad pitch ahead of the final against Australia:

"There's a bit of grass on the track. The wicket from India vs Pakistan was a lot drier. From my understanding, it's going to be on a slower side. We'll see the pitch tomorrow and assess. The temperature has dropped a bit as well. I don't know how much of a factor the dew will be. I don't think the toss will play a big role,"
 
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