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We have a double standard in the United States when it comes to talking about terrorism. The label is reserved almost exclusively for when we’re talking about Muslims.

Consider Stephen Craig Paddock, the shooter in Sunday’s massacre in Las Vegas. Is he a terrorist? Well, the authorities aren’t calling him one, at least not yet.

This is all the more remarkable because Paddock’s actions clearly fit the statutory definition of terrorism in Nevada. That state’s law defines terrorism as “any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to cause great bodily harm or death to the general population”.

Stephen Craig Paddock shot and killed at least 59 people and injured more than 500 others. If that doesn’t qualify as a textbook definition of Nevada’s terrorism law, I don’t know what does.

Yet, when asked at a press conference in Las Vegas if the shooting was an act of terrorism, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo replied: “No. Not at this point. We believe it’s a local individual. He resides here locally,” suggesting that all terrorism is foreign in nature.

Lombardo didn’t call Paddock a terrorist, but he did label him a “lone wolf”, which in our lexicon is that special name we use for “white-guy terrorist”.

Nor is this oversight limited to Lombardo. Las Vegas’s mayor, Carolyn Goodman, also described Paddock not as a terrorist but as “a crazed lunatic, full of hate”. No doubt many other people will repeat the same sentiment in the days to come.

And Donald Trump, who craves every opportunity to utter the words “radical Islamic terrorism”, avoided any mention of the word “terrorist” when discussing the tragic events of Sunday night.

Speaking from the White House, the president instead called the mass shooting “an act of pure evil”. Rather than offering sensible policy changes, such as greater gun control, the president had other ideas. He thinks we should pray more.

Paddock’s act though is, by definition, terrorism. Even under the stricter federal definition of terrorism, Paddock’s murderous rampage should qualify. The federal code defines “domestic terrorism” in part as “activities that appear intended to affect the conduct of government by mass destruction”. It’s hard, if not impossible, to understand how committing one of the largest mass shootings in American history is not “intended to affect the conduct of government”.

But one reason, beyond outright racism, why white people are less frequently charged with terrorism than Muslims in the United States lies with the little-known fact that while federal law does define “domestic terrorism”, it does not codify “domestic terrorism” as a federal crime. (At least 33 states do, however, have anti-terror legislation.) This is partly out of concern that such a statute could go a long way toward criminalizing thought and trampling on the first amendment.

Federal law does contain “hate crime” provisions, but in our present war on terror, it’s one thing to be convicted of “hate” and quite another of “terrorism”. Someone who hates is considered a bad person. Meanwhile, in the eyes of many, someone who is a terrorist doesn’t even deserve to be human.

What this legal reality translates into is a world where the vast majority of the high-profile terrorism prosecutions brought in this country, the ones announced by the justice department with great fanfare and heralding a safer future, basically never revolve around domestic terrorism.

This became clear recently when the attorney general, Jeff Sessions, surprisingly said that the death of Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, Virginia at the hands of a white nationalist sympathizer constituted “domestic terrorism”. But lawyers repeatedly pointed out that at the federal level, domestic terrorism “doesn’t constitute an independent crime or trigger heightened penalties”, according to the website justsecurity.org.

Instead, the high-profile terrorism cases that do trigger heightened penalties are the foreign terrorism cases that almost always involve Muslims, especially since the justice department’s prosecutions of international terrorism is determined by a list of some 60 designated “foreign terrorist organizations”, most of whom are active in Muslim-majority countries. Even material support cases directly related to domestic terrorism are rarely prosecuted in federal court.

A bias, in other words, is embedded in the structure of our laws and how we prosecute them. Foreign terrorism prosecutions put the focus on Muslims and foreign conflicts, while domestic terrorism gets downplayed in our federal courts.

Any predisposition one may have already had that it’s Islam that produces terrorism is thus repeatedly reinforced in who gets prosecuted under our laws. And those attitudes, bolstered by the law, become mainstream in our news media, on our television screens, and in our day-to-day conversations with friends and neighbors.

But in the United States far more people, by orders of magnitude, are killed by gun violence than terrorism carried out in the name of Islam. We just don’t pay attention.

In 2017 alone, there have been 273 mass shootings, about one a day, and 11,671 deaths due to gun violence, according to Gun Violence Archive. Those numbers may surprise you. They did me, and they’re abysmal.

In our society, the federal government often directs the attentions of the people through their policies and priorities. Today, especially under Donald Trump, federal authorities seem even less interested in talking about domestic terrorism.

When a mosque in Minnesota was bombed earlier this year, for example, the White House didn’t even bat an eyelid. Meanwhile, acts like Trump’s Muslim ban reinforce the idea that anyone, anyone at all who comes from one of the barred countries – almost all of whom are Muslim-majority – ought to be considered a security threat.

The answer to this kind of institutionalized and deeply ingrained Islamophobia is to recognize how this clear double standard lets too many domestic terrorism perpetrators off the hook.

We should explain to our government that the interests of justice are served when the terrorism label is fairly and accurately applied.

We should point out to the government that, in their zeal to make the country safe from outsider threats, they are enabling domestic threats to proliferate. And we must hope that this administration in particular will see our warnings as a caution and not as a plan.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/04/lone-wolf-white-terrorist-las-vegas
 
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What terrorist? This was a mentally ill man who needs help. He doesn't deserve punishment
 
Very sad incident.

And it will continue as long as America remains a country where buying a gun is easier than buying a bottle of beer.

Why they can't reign in the NRA and put a stop to gun sales is beyond me.
 
Americans need to come together collectively and force change in gun laws and force the public hoarding guns to submit those to government.. If not then these terrible incidents will keep on happening..
 
Why they can't reign in the NRA and put a stop to gun sales is beyond me.

You would think it would require a really large-scale, public incident for people to open their eyes, as if these routine shootings aren't enough to be honest.
 
I'm not American or Muslim but I can't see how constantly calling Americans racists is going to improve relation for Muslims.
 
Politically loaded OP

Wish he had as much outrage when Muslims are killed by Muslims
 
I'm not American or Muslim but I can't see how constantly calling Americans racists is going to improve relation for Muslims.

I am not American or Muslim but I can't see how the Americans constantly calling muslims terrorists is going to improve the relations between the americans and muslims :yk2
 
Very sad incident.

And it will continue as long as America remains a country where buying a gun is easier than buying a bottle of beer.

Why they can't reign in the NRA and put a stop to gun sales is beyond me.

The politicians are to blame. They take money from the NRA. Also even if all gun sales are stopped, the shootings will not. If someone wants a gun they can always get it (probably easier/less hassle than the legal route). No matter how strict the law is.
 
I am not American or Muslim but I can't see how the Americans constantly calling muslims terrorists is going to improve the relations between the americans and muslims :yk2

I'll answer that one: the average American has nothing to lose by being obnoxious toward a Muslim immigrant, whereas the Muslim needs all the good publicity he can get to prosper in what he calls his new home.

Sad but that's the way it works I think.
 
What would you have the Feds do? There's no network to round up.
 
I'll answer that one: the average American has nothing to lose by being obnoxious toward a Muslim immigrant, whereas the Muslim needs all the good publicity he can get to prosper in what he calls his new home.

Sad but that's the way it works I think.


Thats the key to it, Muslims calling Americans racists will only help consolidate the division between the two. It is providing proof that Muslims hate Americans for those that want to keep Muslims out of America.
 
Thats the key to it, Muslims calling Americans racists will only help consolidate the division between the two. It is providing proof that Muslims hate Americans for those that want to keep Muslims out of America.

Not American but it's annoying how easily people like you generalize when it's convenient to y'all.

Goes for you too [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV5fXPVeZoQ
 
Thats the key to it, Muslims calling Americans racists will only help consolidate the division between the two. It is providing proof that Muslims hate Americans for those that want to keep Muslims out of America.

I am always against one-way-hatred.
 
Hold up!!! So, people here don’t want Muslims to call out the racist for being racist? Stop being racist please.
 
Thats the key to it, Muslims calling Americans racists will only help consolidate the division between the two. It is providing proof that Muslims hate Americans for those that want to keep Muslims out of America.

So bend over because the white person is ignorant, obnoxious and doesn’t know well while being used as pawn by his government.
 
Americans need to come together collectively and force change in gun laws and force the public hoarding guns to submit those to government.. If not then these terrible incidents will keep on happening..

94% of Americans support universal background checks, i.e. checks on every gun sale including private sales.

However the NRA's lobbying and fundraising power means politicians, some of whom are bought by the NRA, are reluctant to touch the issue of gun control. What a democracy.
 
94% of Americans support universal background checks, i.e. checks on every gun sale including private sales.

However the NRA's lobbying and fundraising power means politicians, some of whom are bought by the NRA, are reluctant to touch the issue of gun control. What a democracy.


So apart from the business houses who manufacture these guns (assuming that's what NRA is) how does a gun help a civilian? I doubt the family or kids of these politicians or NRA people get killed in such attacks so why doesn't the normal 94% of the public come out openly sign petitions and get the law passed? Surely the life of your children is big enough motive for any average American to raise his/her voice against this gun culture?
 
terrorist
ˈtɛrərɪst/Submit
noun
1.
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists"
synonyms: bomber, arsonist, incendiary; More
adjective
1.
unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"a terrorist organization"
 
Hold up!!! So, people here don’t want Muslims to call out the racist for being racist? Stop being racist please.

You can call whoever you want a racist, I'm just explaining that if you do then don't expect anything good to come from it.
 
I'm not American or Muslim but I can't see how constantly calling Americans racists is going to improve relation for Muslims.

Submitting to Racism ≠ Improved Relations

If so, African Americans would still be slaves.

And I believe you mean white Americans vs Muslim Americans (and Immigrants). You can be a Muslim and an American at the same time. :)
 
Submitting to Racism ≠ Improved Relations

If so, African Americans would still be slaves.

And I believe you mean white Americans vs Muslim Americans (and Immigrants). You can be a Muslim and an American at the same time. :)

Racism is in all societies not just America, Asians are racist just as much as whites. So in reality its just a bunch of racist calling another bunch of racists racist.
 
Thats the key to it, Muslims calling Americans racists will only help consolidate the division between the two. It is providing proof that Muslims hate Americans for those that want to keep Muslims out of America.
This might be foreign to an Australian but being American and Muslim isn't mutually exclusive. There are millions of American Muslims lol.
 
This might be foreign to an Australian but being American and Muslim isn't mutually exclusive. There are millions of American Muslims lol.

I'm fully aware that there are muslim americans, and just like white americans are racist so are muslim americans.
 
Racism is in all societies not just America, Asians are racist just as much as whites. So in reality its just a bunch of racist calling another bunch of racists racist.

See, this is what you don’t get it. Every society has racist, and they should be called out. No one is denying that here. But to call everyone racist here without personally knowing any of them is probably the most racist comment in this thread.

You don’t know me, you’ve never met me, so stop assuming I’m racist just because I called a white person a racist for being a racist.
 
Very sad incident.

And it will continue as long as America remains a country where buying a gun is easier than buying a bottle of beer.

Why they can't reign in the NRA and put a stop to gun sales is beyond me.

NRA is extremely powerful here in the US, the lobbying power they have is unbelievable.

If it was up to them, wouldn't be surprised if they came out and said, "this is why we should allow tanks to be readily available, if they were we could have blasted the whole floor where the gunman was located..."
 
I am not American or Muslim but I can't see how the Americans constantly calling muslims terrorists is going to improve the relations between the americans and muslims :yk2

Why do you assume everyone wants good relation with Muslims?or that matter any one else?
 
So bend over because the white person is ignorant, obnoxious and doesn’t know well while being used as pawn by his government.

Apart from being a arrogant and racist thing to say you are missing the elephant in the room.

Americans are not lining up to immigrate to Muslim countries, Muslims are immigrating to America. If you don't like the country the way it is why immigrate. A little thing called respect for your host.
 
See, this is what you don’t get it. Every society has racist, and they should be called out. No one is denying that here. But to call everyone racist here without personally knowing any of them is probably the most racist comment in this thread.

You don’t know me, you’ve never met me, so stop assuming I’m racist just because I called a white person a racist for being a racist.

I think you are racist due to what you have written,


because the white person is ignorant, obnoxious and doesn’t know well while being used as pawn by his government.

If that is not racist then nothing is.
 
Apart from being a arrogant and racist thing to say you are missing the elephant in the room.

Americans are not lining up to immigrate to Muslim countries, Muslims are immigrating to America. If you don't like the country the way it is why immigrate. A little thing called respect for your host.

African Americans were brought to America as slaves.

Some African Americans are Muslims.

Time to respect the host I suppose? :)

And moving further. A 2nd or 3rd generation American Muslim is born in the country. Meaning he/she is just as much a host as the White American.

Unless we're now counting who has had the most generations. I suppose the Aboriginals win then!
 
Terrorism is politically or religiously motivated.

The victim mentality of my fellow Pakistanis is very disheartening.
 
Extent of America’s investigation ability cannot be imagined by others.. That dude responsible for Boston bombing was caught overnight. It would have taken years for others to track him
 
This is what I love about USA.

They know the power of words and media and have used it for decades so carefully. It is not their GDP or army that has made them reach the top as much as the tool 'media' they have used to propagate that they are the world leaders.

American - 'Shooter', 'mentally-ill, hate-filled individual'

Muslim - 'Terrorirst'

It's all very carefully crafted and people don't even know how they are being played.
 
It is a fact that more American deaths at home have been caused by domestic incidents like these than acts of “terror”

The government is very quick to start analyzing the threat of “radical Islamist terrorism” and now “black identity extremists” such as black lives matter folks, but they should see the underlying problem, it’s root causes, etc to exterminate it. Having a divisive, double standard approach is not going to help the matters.

There are a lot of disgruntled people out there and it seems the whites have a vibe to pick as well. Let us not blame that on mental disorders.
 
Americans need to come together collectively and force change in gun laws and force the public hoarding guns to submit those to government.. If not then these terrible incidents will keep on happening..

You have no idea what "submitting guns to government" sounds like to America. It will never happen. America will be a free country and second ammendment will always be respected no matter what.

Europe has no guns yet trucks have killed upto 80 people. We had the Mumbai terror attack with smuggled guns. This guy also had materials for a bomb. He would have figured out other ways to kill if guns were not in proximity.
 
Terrorism is politically or religiously motivated.

The victim mentality of my fellow Pakistanis is very disheartening.

Terroist in the pure sense of the word is someone who causes terror. In recent years, it's been used to describe only a Muslim terrorist. The Oaklahoma City bombings were an act of " terror " and so was the burning of the " Black Wall Street ". The KKK is still active for crying out loud! The issue here is the media using the word " terrorist " exclusively for Muslim terrorists. Nobody is claiming to be a victim here. Many people all over social media have condemned this hypocrisy. The shooter could have been politically or religiously motivated but he shot himself. We'll never know.
 
You have no idea what "submitting guns to government" sounds like to America. It will never happen. America will be a free country and second ammendment will always be respected no matter what.

Europe has no guns yet trucks have killed upto 80 people. We had the Mumbai terror attack with smuggled guns. This guy also had materials for a bomb. He would have figured out other ways to kill if guns were not in proximity.

While I agree to what you are saying, but letting everyone have a gun is wrong.

There are many lunatics and depressed people in US. You do not want them to have guns.

Also, even if you own a gun for your safety, the man who pulls out his gun first always wins the battle. Guns cannot guarantee safety. But it can cause mass deaths if it falls into the hands of wrong people.
 
Terroist in the pure sense of the word is someone who causes terror. In recent years, it's been used to describe only a Muslim terrorist. The Oaklahoma City bombings were an act of " terror " and so was the burning of the " Black Wall Street ". The KKK is still active for crying out loud! The issue here is the media using the word " terrorist " exclusively for Muslim terrorists. Nobody is claiming to be a victim here. Many people all over social media have condemned this hypocrisy. The shooter could have been politically or religiously motivated but he shot himself. We'll never know.

Muslim terrorists are the most frequent terrorists, that can't be denied. You shouldn't blame the media, you should blame the terrorists for 'making Islam look bad' (I personally think Islam is a very depraved religion, but that's another debate). Also, regarding the KKK, while I agree they're an absolutely reprehensible organisation, when was their last terrorist attack? Their attacks are far less frequent and at a far lower magnitude than that of Islamic terror attacks.
 
Muslim terrorists are the most frequent terrorists, that can't be denied. You shouldn't blame the media, you should blame the terrorists for 'making Islam look bad' (I personally think Islam is a very depraved religion, but that's another debate). Also, regarding the KKK, while I agree they're an absolutely reprehensible organisation, when was their last terrorist attack? Their attacks are far less frequent and at a far lower magnitude than that of Islamic terror attacks.
On the contrary, there is lesser chance of being killed by a terror attack in the U.S than by falling from your bed. The reason why the issue is so large is because of the extensive media coverage of every attack that happens. I do blame those who kill innocent lives no matter the religion or creed. Terror attacks occur in every country around the globe but rarely is the religion mentioned unless they are Muslim. Don't believe me? Virginia Tech shooting was by 2 armed white college students. Did they call them Presbyterian terrorists or Methodist terrorists? NO. Media is to blame because they are giving more and more attention to these kind of attacks which is just what they crave.
 
Furthermore, gun sales increase after every mass shooting. Those purchases aren't for decoration. What this man did in Vegas was an act of terror. If someone blows themselves up and kills others and another person shoots and kills, aren't they both mentally unstable individuals? A terrorist is someone who causes terror to another being. The media should use the same terms not pick and choose. If they they can quote the rules they can obey them.
 
On the contrary, there is lesser chance of being killed by a terror attack in the U.S than by falling from your bed. The reason why the issue is so large is because of the extensive media coverage of every attack that happens. I do blame those who kill innocent lives no matter the religion or creed. Terror attacks occur in every country around the globe but rarely is the religion mentioned unless they are Muslim. Don't believe me? Virginia Tech shooting was by 2 armed white college students. Did they call them Presbyterian terrorists or Methodist terrorists? NO. Media is to blame because they are giving more and more attention to these kind of attacks which is just what they crave.

Columbine was the '2 armed white college students', Virginia Tech was a Korean iirc. Also, just because they were white, doesn't mean they were Christian.
And this refusal to see the problem is why Islamic terror will be around for many years to come.
Islamic terror is the most prevalent of all religions, it's not even close. Let's not point fingers and play the 'they're doing it too' card.
Terrorism is terrorism, I do agree to an extent that there is more focus on Islamic terrorism, but that's because it's so common. Also, it's quite rich to suggest the media is against Islam, the British media coddles Islam so much it's not even funny. Any attempt to talk about Islamic extremism is met with shouts of 'Islamaphobia', hell, Majid Nawaz (a British Pakistani Muslim if you haven't heard of him) was called an anti-Islam extremist for calling for a peaceful reform of Islam. You can't make this stuff up.
 
Columbine was the '2 armed white college students', Virginia Tech was a Korean iirc. Also, just because they were white, doesn't mean they were Christian.
And this refusal to see the problem is why Islamic terror will be around for many years to come.
Islamic terror is the most prevalent of all religions, it's not even close. Let's not point fingers and play the 'they're doing it too' card.
Terrorism is terrorism, I do agree to an extent that there is more focus on Islamic terrorism, but that's because it's so common. Also, it's quite rich to suggest the media is against Islam, the British media coddles Islam so much it's not even funny. Any attempt to talk about Islamic extremism is met with shouts of 'Islamaphobia', hell, Majid Nawaz (a British Pakistani Muslim if you haven't heard of him) was called an anti-Islam extremist for calling for a peaceful reform of Islam. You can't make this stuff up.
Thanks for correcting my mistake. I don't refuse to see that Islamic terrorists are a problem. It's just that they are not the only problem in the bubble that is terrorism as a whole. Nothing can excuse or justify their hideous acts. As for the 2 white shooters, if what they did does not define Christianity, than how say you say what those nuts do defines Islamic tradition? For your information, Islamic terrorists kill more Muslims than Non-Muslims. So if anybody should be crying against them, it should be the regular Muslims whom they not only kill but also embarrass on a global stage.
 
Muslim terrorists are the most frequent terrorists, that can't be denied. You shouldn't blame the media, you should blame the terrorists for 'making Islam look bad' (I personally think Islam is a very depraved religion, but that's another debate). Also, regarding the KKK, while I agree they're an absolutely reprehensible organisation, when was their last terrorist attack? Their attacks are far less frequent and at a far lower magnitude than that of Islamic terror attacks.

If its killing innocents in the pursuit of a political cause, you will find state terrorism is way ahead of any group. But let me guess, killing a million people in just one country is ok because it's governments?

Please start a thread about Islam being depraved, let's see if you can actually debate this.
 
Thanks for correcting my mistake. I don't refuse to see that Islamic terrorists are a problem. It's just that they are not the only problem in the bubble that is terrorism as a whole. Nothing can excuse or justify their hideous acts. As for the 2 white shooters, if what they did does not define Christianity, than how say you say what those nuts do defines Islamic tradition? For your information, Islamic terrorists kill more Muslims than Non-Muslims. So if anybody should be crying against them, it should be the regular Muslims whom they not only kill but also embarrass on a global stage.

I think you misunderstood, what I was saying that being white doesn't equal being Christian. Like being brown doesn't equal being Muslim. And yes, I agree with your last point wholeheartedly.
 
I never justified that, there is definitely a disgusting side to politics that is becoming more apparent everyday.

And we can discuss that in PM if you like? I don't think a thread like that would go down very well on a majority Pakistani forum.
 
I think you misunderstood, what I was saying that being white doesn't equal being Christian. Like being brown doesn't equal being Muslim. And yes, I agree with your last point wholeheartedly.
My point was that the Media didn't call them Christian terrorists just because they were white. Its ridiculous to frame a religion for an individual's actions especially if the religion itself does not promote the killing of innocent people!
 
I never justified that, there is definitely a disgusting side to politics that is becoming more apparent everyday.

And we can discuss that in PM if you like? I don't think a thread like that would go down very well on a majority Pakistani forum.
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] apologies, forgot to quote
 
I never justified that, there is definitely a disgusting side to politics that is becoming more apparent everyday.

And we can discuss that in PM if you like? I don't think a thread like that would go down very well on a majority Pakistani forum.
People who give constructive criticism to Pakistanis on Pakistan can sound anti-nationalist. If anything, it should make them want to make a better Pakistan. Change begins with the individual first, than society and finally the evil forces of the world.
 
I never justified that, there is definitely a disgusting side to politics that is becoming more apparent everyday.

And we can discuss that in PM if you like? I don't think a thread like that would go down very well on a majority Pakistani forum.

You wrote

"Muslim terrorists are the most frequent terrorists, that can't be denied"

Now define terrorism and then prove what you wrote above.

Go ahead with the thread, it will be fine.
 
My point was that the Media didn't call them Christian terrorists just because they were white. Its ridiculous to frame a religion for an individual's actions especially if the religion itself does not promote the killing of innocent people!

But not all whites are Christian? That's a pretty weak point.
They also found the motives for the Columbine shootings, they were bullied a lot and held a lot of hatred for the world. Wasn't politically or religiously motivated. Not justifying what they did, it was terrible, but not terrorists, serial killers.

And I agree that the majority of Muslims are not terrorists, my family for example. However, the Quran and hadith do have multiple references to the murder of apostates, munafique, gays, adulterers. The religion was also spread by the sword and has a very bloody history.
 
My point was that the Media didn't call them Christian terrorists just because they were white. Its ridiculous to frame a religion for an individual's actions especially if the religion itself does not promote the killing of innocent people!

But not all whites are Christian? That's a pretty weak point.
They also found the motives for the Columbine shootings, they were bullied a lot and held a lot of hatred for the world. Wasn't politically or religiously motivated. Not justifying what they did, it was terrible, but not terrorists, serial killers.

And I agree that the majority of Muslims are not terrorists, my family for example. However, the Quran and hadith do have multiple references to the murder of apostates, munafique, gays, adulterers. The religion was also spread by the sword and has a very bloody history.
 
But not all whites are Christian? That's a pretty weak point.
They also found the motives for the Columbine shootings, they were bullied a lot and held a lot of hatred for the world. Wasn't politically or religiously motivated. Not justifying what they did, it was terrible, but not terrorists, serial killers.

And I agree that the majority of Muslims are not terrorists, my family for example. However, the Quran and hadith do have multiple references to the murder of apostates, munafique, gays, adulterers. The religion was also spread by the sword and has a very bloody history.
Actually, most wars were fought over matters other than religion. Less than 7% of all wars in history were fought because of religion. So to say, Islam was spread through conquest is wrong. Furthermore, the jizya tax on Non-Muslims was less than what Muslims would pay in the same region. The Quran contains 0 mentions of the sword yet the " Bible " contains several such as the " you live by the sword, you die by the sword ". The current Bible has been altered to suit political doctrine. Getting back to the shootings, they did not call the white shooters Christian because they were not Christians. So how is it justifiable that they can call ISIS a Muslim extremist group when they simply don't follow Islam. They don't call the KKK a Christian terror group? They don't call the NOI a Muslim terror group? Why? Because they don't represent the true teachings of those religions. There are several incidents of terror everyday where White Americans kill Sikhs or Muslims in the U.S for religious, social, political, and to an extent economical reason. But are they ever called Christian terrorists? The undisputed truth is there is a media bias against Islam as a whole. It's up to both the Muslims and the citizens of America to prove them otherwise. A house divided amongst itself cannot stand.
 
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Where is the outrage ? The tweets from the President ?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Gloucester man arrested, charged with terrorism in connection to Williamsburg parking lot explosion <a href="https://t.co/mqasj44SRM">https://t.co/mqasj44SRM</a></p>— The Virginian-Pilot (@virginianpilot) <a href="https://twitter.com/virginianpilot/status/921555769786601472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21 October 2017</a></blockquote>
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Muslim terrorists are the most frequent terrorists, that can't be denied. You shouldn't blame the media, you should blame the terrorists for 'making Islam look bad' (I personally think Islam is a very depraved religion, but that's another debate). Also, regarding the KKK, while I agree they're an absolutely reprehensible organisation, when was their last terrorist attack? Their attacks are far less frequent and at a far lower magnitude than that of Islamic terror attacks.

Maybe you should research Timothy Mcviegh.

"Islamic terror" attacks got worse because of Americas stupid adventure in Iraq 2003. There was no ISIS back then but Al Qaeda types who look like teddy bears compared to these groups.

They made the situation much worse so rather than pointing fingers at others the blame is obvious.
 
You have no idea what "submitting guns to government" sounds like to America. It will never happen. America will be a free country and second ammendment will always be respected no matter what.

Europe has no guns yet trucks have killed upto 80 people. We had the Mumbai terror attack with smuggled guns. This guy also had materials for a bomb. He would have figured out other ways to kill if guns were not in proximity.

Oh I missed this gem.. Mumbai attack, Europe attacks were acts of radicalised terrorism someone posted stats where in USA there are more than 11,000 gun related incidents a year.. Those all are not terrorism related incidents just that gun is easily available and a crime is easy to commit..

You are the first person from America who is against cracking down on guns whom I have met.. Everyone else I have talked with support cracking down on guns..
 
It should certainly have been a terrorist incident, as labelled by the media. In fact, under the Nevada state definition, it should have been labelled a terrorist attack.

And yet, the Sheriff, without any investigation, in his first presser, said "there was nothing derogatory in the man's pat".... read into that what you will but the excuses started from day dot.
 
Actually, most wars were fought over matters other than religion. Less than 7% of all wars in history were fought because of religion. So to say, Islam was spread through conquest is wrong. Furthermore, the jizya tax on Non-Muslims was less than what Muslims would pay in the same region. The Quran contains 0 mentions of the sword yet the " Bible " contains several such as the " you live by the sword, you die by the sword ". The current Bible has been altered to suit political doctrine. Getting back to the shootings, they did not call the white shooters Christian because they were not Christians. So how is it justifiable that they can call ISIS a Muslim extremist group when they simply don't follow Islam. They don't call the KKK a Christian terror group? They don't call the NOI a Muslim terror group? Why? Because they don't represent the true teachings of those religions. There are several incidents of terror everyday where White Americans kill Sikhs or Muslims in the U.S for religious, social, political, and to an extent economical reason. But are they ever called Christian terrorists? The undisputed truth is there is a media bias against Islam as a whole. It's up to both the Muslims and the citizens of America to prove them otherwise. A house divided amongst itself cannot stand.

ISIS follow a valid interpretation of Islam, it's the worst possible interpretation but it's an interpretation nevertheless. And the Biblical quote you mentioned, it doesn't support your point at all. It says that those who live for battle will die in battle, what's bad about that? I have my gripes with Christianity too, but that verse is not one of them.

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
I'll just leave that there
 
ISIS follow a valid interpretation of Islam, it's the worst possible interpretation but it's an interpretation nevertheless. And the Biblical quote you mentioned, it doesn't support your point at all. It says that those who live for battle will die in battle, what's bad about that? I have my gripes with Christianity too, but that verse is not one of them.

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
I'll just leave that there

That verse in the Quran is about Allah ( SWT ) saying that the Non-Believers made companions with HIM, not about war. Misinterpretation cannot be attributed to a text when it clearly says anyone who kills another being ( innocent ), it is as if he has killed the entire of humanity. For example, the phrase, " Let's eat Grandpa " does not give permission to eat the grandparent but to eat with him. If some mentally damaged individual decides to eat his grandparent, how is it the text's fault? The sword part was to state that the Quran was not spread by sword and Christianity rather was such as the forceful conversions of Native Americans. If someone is forced to become Muslim, their conversion isn't not recognized by the Almighty. That will be my final post on this thread. Great talking to you [MENTION=134961]Zero[/MENTION] but don't become what you're name says :yk jk,jk. :)
 
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That verse in the Quran is about Allah ( SWT ) saying that the Non-Believers made companions with HIM, not about war. Misinterpretation cannot be attributed to a text when it clearly says anyone who kills another being ( innocent ), it is as if he has killed the entire of humanity. For example, the phrase, " Let's eat Grandpa " does not give permission to eat the grandparent but to eat with him. If some mentally damaged individual decides to eat his grandparent, how is it the text's fault? The sword part was to state that the Quran was not spread by sword and Christianity rather was such as the forceful conversions of Native Americans. If someone is forced to become Muslim, their conversion isn't not recognized by the Almighty. That will be my final post on this thread. Great talking to you [MENTION=134961]Zero[/MENTION] but don't become what you're name says :yk jk,jk. :)

Hahah, I guess this is the end of the discussion then.
I appreciate how civil you have been throughout!
 
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I don't think the Las Vegas shooter comes under the definition of terrorist, as there was no political or religious motive. The Christchurch shooter obviously did, as he wanted to kill Muslims. It doesn't make what the Las Vegas shooter did less deplorable, it just wasn't, by definition, terrorism.
 
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Not surprising.

Also, 2nd amendment doesn't help. 2nd amendment means these idiots can have assault weapons legally.
 
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