Abducted Chinese nationals were 'preaching' in Quetta, Nisar told

[Tera Gawaandi]

Abducted Chinese nationals were 'preaching' in Quetta, Nisar told

Two Chinese nationals abducted from Quetta last month were involved in preaching instead of business activities — their declared purpose for visiting Pakistan — Interior Miister Chaudhry Nisar.

Lee Zing Yang, 24, and Meng Li Si, 26, were abducted from Jinnah Town Quetta on May 24 and later murdered by the militant Islamic State.


Interior Minister ordered an initial review, followed by regulation and the streamlining of the visa process to avoid the misuse of business visas by foreign nationals.

Abductees had gone to Quetta and were engaged in preaching under the garb of learning Urdu from a Korean national, Juan Won Seo, who is the owner of ARK Info Tech. Chinese citizens obtained business visas from the Pakistani Embassy in Beijing and entered Pakistan.

Nisar expressed his displeasure at the laxity often shown in granting visas by Pakistani missions abroad. He directed all Pakistani missions to undertake proper scrutiny of visa application forms and acquire all necessary details before exercising their powers.

Nisar directed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs be taken on board and their input be included while formulating new visa policy guidelines for issuance of visas to the foreigners on various visa categories.

He also called for a data bank of Chinese nationals present in the country to be maintained, should be shared with all security agencies.


The minister observed that it is "highly unfortunate that a misuse of the terms of business visa contributed to the unfortunate abduction and subsequent murder of two innocent Chinese".

So it had nothing to do with CPEC.

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Abducted Chinese nationals were 'preaching' in Quetta, Nisar told



So it had nothing to do with CPEC.

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Preaching what? Atheism?

 

[Enigma_]

What an irresponsible statement. Disgusting. So they were preaching and then they get murdered because of it and it is a-ok?

 

[TM Riddle]

Chalo shukar hai!

 

[Heisenberg]

What the..

 

[troodon]

Preaching Confucius?

 

[Pakistanian]

Does that justify their murders? This guy's an idiot.

 

[Saeed]

What else do you expect from Chaudhry? I heard Pakistani military conducted operation against ISIS in Mustang soon after. Wish they were just as quick when Pakistanis are targeted by terrorists.

 

[BlueAngel]

So What is Tahir ul Qadri and others doing in Canada?

 

[enkidu_]

China Blames the Victims, South Korean Missionaries for ISIS Killings in Pakistan

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The two 20-somethings were first reported to be language teachers working in Pakistan. But then The Global Times, a popular tabloid that’s known as the Chinese Communist Party’s mouthpiece, People’s Daily, offered this explanation for the murders: “They were involved in illegal preaching led by South Korean missionaries”.

In a tepid and bizarre response to the killings, China’s foreign ministry said that it was investigating the incident and it urged “all Chinese nationals travelling overseas to observe local laws and regulations [and] respect local customs and practices”. It has yet to confirm the deaths.
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https://thewire.in/154270/china-blames-victims-south-korean-missionaries-isis-killings-pakistan/

 

[JaDed]

China Blames the Victims, South Korean Missionaries for ISIS Killings in Pakistan



https://thewire.in/154270/china-blames-victims-south-korean-missionaries-isis-killings-pakistan/

The wire is an Indian channel and with knowledge,they have printed the map irrespective of whether it was taken from another article.

The wire is from Vinod Dua socialist/leftist and it almost proves that they will take India to the ground if given a chance to rule again,as an Indian citizen leftist/socialists coming to power scares me more than the current right wing,one reason could be I'm the majority here so ofcourse it might differ.

 

[Adil_94]

how pathetic so what if they were preaching it doesnt justify abducting or killing them.

This type of intolerance is to be expected from Jihadists.
But the Jihadis are only an extreme symptom of their societies.

 

[Black Zero]

So What is Tahir ul Qadri and others doing in Canada?

He wants free medical care.

 

[Napa]

China Blames the Victims, South Korean Missionaries for ISIS Killings in Pakistan

https://thewire.in/154270/china-blames-victims-south-korean-missionaries-isis-killings-pakistan/

They do have to blame the victims, they don't want to jeopardize their $50+ billion investment by having other Chinese scared to travel to Pakistan.

 

[Gilly]

Nisar expressed his displeasure at the laxity often shown in granting visas by Pakistani missions abroad. He directed all Pakistani missions to undertake proper scrutiny of visa application forms and acquire all necessary details before exercising their powers.

Nisar directed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs be taken on board and their input be included while formulating new visa policy guidelines for issuance of visas to the foreigners on various visa categories.

He also called for a data bank of Chinese nationals present in the country to be maintained, should be shared with all security agencies.

A data bank of all chinese nationals present in the country, imagine the outcry if Trump did this.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

how pathetic so what if they were preaching it doesnt justify abducting or killing them.

This type of intolerance is to be expected from Jihadists.
But the Jihadis are only an extreme symptom of their societies.

What's a 'jihadist' and a 'jihadi'? If you're a Muslim I'd suggest you take a break from the TV for a while.

 

[Pakistanian]

A data bank of all chinese nationals present in the country, imagine the outcry if Trump did this.

America already has a database of every foreigner in the country, every country does it. Having a database based of nationality is very different from having a registry for people belonging to a religion. Also Trump and white nationalists such as your kind want to create a Muslim registry of AMERICAN citizens, while this is just a database of Chinese nationals that are visiting Pakistan, this doesn't apply to Pakistanis of Chinese descent (of which of few thousand exist).

 

[ShadabFakhar]

A data bank of all chinese nationals present in the country, imagine the outcry if Trump did this.

Pakistan has suffered far more terrorism than the US, the latter employ clever terminology in any major incident that results in casualties or where there was a threat to human life to suit their agenda. Pakistan will always be a sham democracy so long as the two dynasties are in charge and threat of military dictatorship remains. They need more Imran Khans and less Bhuttos and Sharifs.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=145024]ShadabFakhar[/MENTION] Jihadists are Religous Militants who use the concept of Armed Jihad found in Islamic scripture to legitmise their actions of violence.

 

[Gilly]

America already has a database of every foreigner in the country, every country does it. Having a database based of nationality is very different from having a registry for people belonging to a religion. Also Trump and white nationalists such as your kind want to create a Muslim registry of AMERICAN citizens, while this is just a database of Chinese nationals that are visiting Pakistan, this doesn't apply to Pakistanis of Chinese descent (of which of few thousand exist).

Pakistan can keep a database to share with its security agencies on whoever they want, just like america can. Only extremists will be fighting it.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

[MENTION=145024]ShadabFakhar[/MENTION] Jihadists are Religous Militants who use the concept of Armed Jihad found in Islamic scripture to legitmise their actions of violence.

jihad
n. Islam An individual's striving for spiritual self-perfection.
n. Islam A Muslim holy war or spiritual struggle against infidels.

If it's the latter, you've just given the blessing of holiness to 'their' cause. I've argued against the MSM using such terminology since 2001, when 'Islamism' was first used to describe an Islamic political system and it has since given justification and propaganda for those who were vulnerable to 'radicalisation'. Same goes for ISIS who have had their best endorsement when the Western media used to propagate the ISIS' media wing, Dabiq.

I don't know whether this was done inadvertently or deliberately, in any case it has had a disastrous effect for Muslims in more ways than one.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

This is another attempt to drive the wedge... use religious nutters to go and stick their ore in. These nut jobs are sponsored by American churches...they are working in some one else's agenda.

Th Chinese saw right through it....

 

[Yossarian]

A data bank of all chinese nationals present in the country, imagine the outcry if Trump did this.

Virtually every country keeps a data bank of foreign nationals in the country. That is the whole purpose of the visa system for foreign nationals visiting a country and going through Immigration to have their visas checked and their entry into the country logged. Very different from a country identifying it's own citizens based upon their religious beliefs and then just keeping a record of those following one particular religion.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=145024]ShadabFakhar[/MENTION] Islamism has been used in poli sci literature since the 70s. An Islamist is someone who wishes to implement an interpretation of Sharia on a society eithe through violent or non violent means. So from Ikhwan in Egypt to ISIS and Al Qaeda.

Islamism is as what Sayyid Qutb described is using Islam as a revolutionary political ideology just like Communism or Fascism to change the world order.

Whether you agree with ISIS cause as being a legitimate Jihad is a different matter. They themselves and their supporters argue that it is legitimate jihad. I know people want to excommunicate ISIS from Islam but a lot of what they do is found from a credible interpretation of Quran Sunnah and Sira. Even Shaykh of Al Azhar has said while they are extremists they are not out of the fold of Islam.
As long as they believe in the shahada u cant declare them as non muslims or apostates. Its better to grapple with their ideology n interpretations theologically.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Surprised that the Chinese have thrown their citizens under a bus like this.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

[MENTION=145024]ShadabFakhar[/MENTION] Islamism has been used in poli sci literature since the 70s. An Islamist is someone who wishes to implement an interpretation of Sharia on a society eithe through violent or non violent means. So from Ikhwan in Egypt to ISIS and Al Qaeda.

Islamism is as what Sayyid Qutb described is using Islam as a revolutionary political ideology just like Communism or Fascism to change the world order.

Whether you agree with ISIS cause as being a legitimate Jihad is a different matter. They themselves and their supporters argue that it is legitimate jihad. I know people want to excommunicate ISIS from Islam but a lot of what they do is found from a credible interpretation of Quran Sunnah and Sira. Even Shaykh of Al Azhar has said while they are extremists they are not out of the fold of Islam.
As long as they believe in the shahada u cant declare them as non muslims or apostates. Its better to grapple with their ideology n interpretations theologically.

I don't think Sayyid Qutb used the name of Islamism to describe his ideology, it's a retrospective label given by Western analysts.

Your own definition of Islamism doesn't really justify the bad rep it receives from the MSM. You've used two of the worst western-sponsored terrorism examples of Daesh and Al Q and compared them to the Ikhwan which had denounced political violence. That is precisely the fruits of the ruse employed by allies of the Arab monarchies paying dividends. Bear in mind, I don't necessarily think the Ikhwan is the best solution for the Mid-East, but it'd have been the best initial step to overthrow sponsored dictatorships, which coincides with why Russia and the US are now on the verge of a head-on collision in Syria.

The Muslim Brotherhood is deemed a terrorist organisation by mostly dictatorships/monarchies; Russia, Syria, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain. There's a reason why Israel and the American allies are absent from that list and that is because Israel needs the presence of an 'extremist' element to justify it's coming expansions into Egyptian and Syrian territory. That's also the reason why ISIS' alias is ISIL.

I don't think ISIS is legitimate in any way whatsoever. I don't even believe in excommunication either. I've simply pointed out maligning all Islamic political movements in the Middle East is/was a disaster. Muslim Brotherhood to ISIS and Al Qaeda was what UKIP is to the BNP/EDL/Britan First, a political dialogue/solution for a dangerous problem.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=145024]ShadabFakhar[/MENTION] in Arabic they call themselves Islamic Movements. Islamism or Political Islam is just for the movements that developed as a result of foreign interventions in the MENA. Before that there was no need for Islamism as Islam dominated all facets of life. But once new ideas from Europe entered the discourse that monopoly was broken.

I am personally against Islamist movements because they are generally illiberal even the moderate ones like the Brotherhood who dont call for violence but want to achieve legitimacy by the ballot box but then generally want to shut down democracy. Erdogan and AKP are exhibiting this now in Turkey after early sign of moderation. Erdogan is slowly making Turkey an authoritarian state in his parties image.

What Egyptian military was totally wrong to MB even if i disagree with them they should have been allowed to serve out a full term and all it has done is push moderate Islamists toward the Violent groups like Gamaa Islamiya in Egypt and IS and AQ . Totally counter productive.

In Tunisia the Ennahda Islamic Renaissance Party had its 3 years in power n was voted out in favour of the secularist Nidaa Tounes. Ennahda respected the democratic decision n left power.
Whether i like it or not i know that Islamic movements and parties do have a lot of sway in the Middle East n authoritarianism isnt the solution to stop Islamists from gaining support it just justifies radicals rhetoric that being civil wont get u anywhere and only armed struggle is the viable option.

If only the MENA had some type of democratic culture. it seems its either radical islamist groups, or authoritarian religious monarchies or secular dictatorships that hold sway there.

Even a country like Pak with all its issues at least has some form of civil society n debate. But this is sorely lacking in the MENA.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION]

I think these movements are a trial and error for a people to decide what's best for themselves. Interventionist foreign policies of the West to protect oil assets have disrupted that process and tried to maintain the status quo of dictatorships.

My point is we've not really been allowed to witness what an uninterrupted 'Islamist' government would look like in the Middle East and the narrative towards Islamism has been polluted by ISIS and Al Qaeda. I think this is what drives people to radicalism, they're ultimately forced to accept their dictatorships and get on with it.

 

[Varun]

Surprised that the Chinese have thrown their citizens under a bus like this.

Why? Human life is worth precious little in China.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=145024]ShadabFakhar[/MENTION] well the Islamist govts we have seen in Turkey n Tunisia are very mixed indeed. Iran has been going for 40 years and is an autocratic state where dissent isnt tolerated. When western govts have removed dictators like Saddam n Gadaffi who were oppressing their people. Its resulted in increased sectarianism and tribalism and a total break down of law n order. Although Iraq has some form of elections n democracy now.

Supporting dictators seem to be just putting a lid on a bubbling broth and just increases resentment. And removing them just causes the broth to explode and radical elements hijack legitimate struggles.

To build democracy takes decades.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] If Western European is anything to go by it takes centuries and even then it's always a struggle, heck you might even call it a jihad for democracy.

 

[PakLFC]

We're not told what was being preached. Chinese power?