Abdul Razzaq vs Hardik Pandya

[Mainul]

Though may be too early to compare,but you know just curious to know.

 

[aloo paratha]

Pandya will end up 2 times the player Razzaq was. Razzaq was very good at the early stages of his career but didn't have the attitude to make him a Pakistani great, like he could've been. Although he did remain a great hitter.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Fauji any day of the week !!

 

[Gubol123]

Pandya will end up 2 times the player Razzaq was. Razzaq was very good at the early stages of his career but didn't have the attitude to make him a Pakistani great, like he could've been. Although he did remain a great hitter.

Razzaq was a beast in early part of his ODI career. He was a competent AR all through his ODI career. But he was a pretty ordinary player in Test and just above average in T20Is. Pandya has the potential to end up as a good test player and beast in LOIs. But it is very early days. Promise is there though

 

[The_Odd_One]

Pandya will more likely have a better career. Razzaq for a couple of years was one of the best match winners. His bowling was as good as his batting.

 

[sachin100]

Razzak bowling was very good in the beginning. When he lost his pace he became ineffective.

Razzak is better according to me at this time

 

[Ab Fan]

Would become an even more interesting comparison in the coming months.

Pandya in tests is still new and a suspect.

 

[Gubol123]

Would become an even more interesting comparison in the coming months.

Pandya in tests is still new and a suspect.

Razzaq was pretty ordinary in tests anyway. Even if Pandya manages to have half decent career he will be a much better player than Razzaq in tests. More interesting will be how Pandya will fare in LOIs

 

[MightyObnoxious]

For that 100 against Sa alone, Razzaq over anybody.
On a serious note, Razzaq could have been a far better if he had the right attitude, but still, managed to have pretty good for AR of that time. Pandya is young and exciting and definably a player of his era. No straightforward comparison.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

For that 100 against Sa alone, Razzaq over anybody.
On a serious note, Razzaq could have been a far better if he had the right attitude, but still, managed to have pretty good for AR of that time. Pandya is young and exciting and definably a player of his era. No straightforward comparison.

That was as much a GOAT innings as I've seen anything over the course of the last 18-20 years. Stuff of Legends !!

 

[CricketCartoons]

Pandya would do well to be even half of what Razzler was, in even one discipline.

 

[mueez14]

Razzak's bowling was much better..
And razzaq was best n clean hitter of fast bowling.. but not too good at spinners.. whereas pandya is opposite.. beast for spinners but i have not seen him hitting long clean sixes like razzaq to fast bowlers.. and pandya's bowling is not upto the mark of razzaq..razzaq was v good seam n swing bowler

 

[Slog]

Till 2003-04, Razzler was on his way to be one of the ATG ODI all rounders

 

[khurram39]

Abdul Razzaq is much better bowler than the Pandya but currently Pandya's hitting ability makes him better. I have no doubt's on A.Razzaq's hitting ability but some times he looks really ugly while batting.

 

[DRsohail]

rime will tell pandya is doing well but he hs to do .

 

[kingusama92]

Razzaq in his early years was incredible.

Between DEBUT - Sept 01 2000 (4 Years)

69 ODI Matches

Batting AVG: 25.65

Bowling AVG: 23.43

 

[wasimjunior]

Till 2003-04, Razzler was on his way to be one of the ATG ODI all rounders

Which is why this is a very stupid thread. Pandya has had a decent few months LOL

 

[wasimjunior]

Abdul Razzaq is much better bowler than the Pandya but currently Pandya's hitting ability makes him better. I have no doubt's on A.Razzaq's hitting ability but some times he looks really ugly while batting.

Pandya can't hit seamers. Razzler used to deposit them into stands for fun.

Think most PPers aren't old enough to talk about this topic

 

[Slog]

Which is why this is a very stupid thread. Pandya has had a decent few months LOL

yes but its also wrong to dismiss him and say he is not at same level

 

[Madplayer]

Pandya does not have the natural ability with the ball that Razzak had. Razzak was a 140+ bowler when he started and he used to swing it and reverse swing it as well. Batting wise both are same more or less so far.

But its more likely that Pandya have the better career because Razzak caused his own downfall by getting lazy. I dont see Pandya doing that to himself.

 

[Slog]

Pandya does not have the natural ability with the ball that Razzak had. Razzak was a 140+ bowler when he started and he used to swing it and reverse swing it as well. Batting wise both are same more or less so far.

But its more likely that Pandya have the better career because Razzak caused his own downfall by getting lazy. I dont see Pandya doing that to himself.

this is very important

Razzaq was an extremely lazy cricketer with an embarrassing work ethic.

And he was always looking to blame others for failures rather than accept faults of his own and try to improve on them.

Pandya's attitude is first class

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Pandya can't hit seamers. Razzler used to deposit them into stands for fun.

Think most PPers aren't old enough to talk about this topic

Basically This !!! Those of us who've actually seen Fauji during those days can only laugh at this pointless comparison.

As I said 'Fauji All Day Everyday and Twice on Sundays' !!

 

[NoBallZombie]

Razzaq was an incredible AR. Anyone who even thinks Pandya is close to Razzaq needs to get up from bed, wash their faces and open up youtube to watch Razzaqs bowling and batting. He was the only efing guy who hit mcgrath for those 4 consecutive boundaries (still fresh in my mind) . There is no way in his lifetime Pandya can do that to even current rubbish crop of fast bowlers. His 100 against SA was legendary. Indians who even claim any comparisons in his bowling only need to look at 2000 CUB series (yes on YouTube!) where he bowled Tendular 3 times in that series ... and Tendulkar was arguably the greatest batsman of that generation along with Lara! Whats next, comparing Kuldeep to Shane warne and Bumrah to Waqar?

 

[FreePalestine]

Pandya has great potential.

Razzler Dazzler flattered to deceive in test cricket a lot. He was a beast in ODI's for a long time, even when his bowling got slower, he could turn games lower down the order, and did quite a few times.

If Pandya continues to improve, he will go beyond Razzaq the batsman for sure, and match Razzaq the bowler, considering that Razzaq's bowling declined in the 2000's. But that is a big 'if'.

 

[NoBallZombie]

Razzaq was an incredible AR. Anyone who even thinks Pandya is close to Razzaq needs to get up from bed, wash their faces and open up youtube to watch Razzaqs bowling and batting. He was the only efing guy who hit mcgrath for those 4 consecutive boundaries (still fresh in my mind) . There is no way in his lifetime Pandya can do that to even current rubbish crop of fast bowlers. His 100 against SA was legendary. Indians who even claim any comparisons in his bowling only need to look at 2000 CUB series (yes on YouTube!) where he bowled Tendular 3 times in that series ... and Tendulkar was arguably the greatest batsman of that generation along with Lara Whats next, comparing Kuldeep to Shane warne and Bumrah to Waqar?

Razzaq hit 5 boundaries of Mcgrath*

 

[Bewal Express]

Razzaq had a Gift from Allah which he was too thick to exploit. What a waste of a talent.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Pandya is an exceptional hitter of spin but nowhere near Razzaq hitting fast bowlers.
I think soon teams will find a plan against him.. he is new and teams haven't worked him out..

Rahi baat bowling ki to Pandya and old Razzaq are at the same level. Razzaq in his first 4 years was on a different level.

Razzaq played a key role in winning world t20 final so Pandya needs a similar performance to be considered for the case

 

[Dingolfy]

Pandya is a way better athlete and better fielder than Razaq ever was.About his batting and bowling, he is still haven't reached Razaq's level and time will tell whether he will or not.Either way, he is an asset to the current Indian team.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Pandya is a way better athlete and better fielder than Razaq ever was.About his batting and bowling, he is still haven't reached Razaq's level and time will tell whether he will or not.Either way, he is an asset to the current Indian team.

Do you even realise what you're talking about? Just because working out in the gym has become a thing now and posting pictures on Instagram is the measure for fitness, it doesn't mean that players like Razzaq were unfit. If anytjing, Razzaq in his first 5 years was one of the fittest cricketers playing the sport!

I remember reading that he cycled 15 Kilometers EVERY single day to his club and BACK! He was the epitome of fitness with a lean structure, the reason why he was a consistent 140 KPH + bowler. Of course, his fitness went down the drain after his initial few years but so can Hardik's. He has just been in playing international cricket for a year now.


We'll come back to this thread when Hardik can smash bowlers like Amir, Hazelwood, Starc for five fours in an over at peak!

 

[Dingolfy]

Do you even realise what you're talking about? Just because working out in the gym has become a thing now and posting pictures on Instagram is the measure for fitness, it doesn't mean that players like Razzaq were unfit. If anytjing, Razzaq in his first 5 years was one of the fittest cricketers playing the sport!

I remember reading that he cycled 15 Kilometers EVERY single day to his club and BACK! He was the epitome of fitness with a lean structure, the reason why he was a consistent 140 KPH + bowler. Of course, his fitness went down the drain after his initial few years but so can Hardik's. He has just been in playing international cricket for a year now.


We'll come back to this thread when Hardik can smash bowlers like Amir, Hazelwood, Starc for five fours in an over at peak!

Dude, I have seen his fielding.Absolute disgrace even for 90's.That is enough to say about his athleticism.My dad walked more than 10 kms to his school every day back in the day.He was no athelete.

 

[Gunner85]

Guys give pandya some time.He is not that bad against pace I have seen him hitting fast bowlers out of ground in IPL.He surely has ability.with the ball he certainly can crank it at 140+.and he is a tremendous fielder.A great package to have. Razzaq was a terrific player.I don't think there were many like him who can hit out against fast bowling.But in his initial years he really struggled against spin.

 

[Napa]

Pandya would do well to be even half of what Razzler was, in even one discipline.

What if he ended up twice as good in both disciplines and also a better fielder?

 

[Napa]

Razzaq was an incredible AR. Anyone who even thinks Pandya is close to Razzaq needs to get up from bed, wash their faces and open up youtube to watch Razzaqs bowling and batting...

Cool the hype and come back to earth. Here are the current lifetime average numbers:

Batting:
Razzaq 28.61 (Tests), 29.70 (ODIs)
Pandya 59.33 (Tests) 40.75 (ODIs)

Bowling:
Razzaq 36.94 (Tests), 31.83 (ODIs)
Pandya 23.75 (Tests), 34.03 (ODIs)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/39836.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/625371.html

Pandya is still in the early stages of his career. But early indications are that he will leave players like Razzaq far behind.

 

[troodon]

Razzaq was a master at reverse swing when I saw him back in lates 90's in Sharjah against Lankans. He got a hat-trick I tthink against them. Hardik at this point is not as good as Razzaq in bowling at the same time in their careers.

I feel Hardik is a better batsman than Razzaq. But not much to choose there.

Overall, at the same point, I feel Razzaq was better. But Razzaq's bowling went down the drain after the first 3 yrs I think. He became a total trundler. No reverse, no yorkers... from whatever I saw.

 

[yasir]

Basically This !!! Those of us who've actually seen Fauji during those days can only laugh at this pointless comparison.

As I said 'Fauji All Day Everyday and Twice on Sundays' !!

Why you are calling Razaq a Fauji, was there any connection? - I liked Razaq, but why you ruining his image by relating him to Army??

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Why you are calling Razaq a Fauji, was there any connection? - I liked Razaq, but why you ruining his image by relating him to Army??

The best post on this thread......

 

[Gubol123]

Cool the hype and come back to earth. Here are the current lifetime average numbers:

Batting:
Razzaq 28.61 (Tests), 29.70 (ODIs)
Pandya 59.33 (Tests) 40.75 (ODIs)

Bowling:
Razzaq 36.94 (Tests), 31.83 (ODIs)
Pandya 23.75 (Tests), 34.03 (ODIs)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/39836.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/625371.html

Pandya is still in the early stages of his career. But early indications are that he will leave players like Razzaq far behind.

To be fair, Pandya has had a very good start to his international career. But he is capable of ending up with better stats and impact than player like Razzaq. One more stats you left out is about strike rate

Strike rate
Razzaq 41.04 (Tests), 81.25 (ODIs)
Pandya 107.87(Tests), 122.55(ODIs)

Obviously Pandya has a very small sample but his strike rates will mostly stabilize around 80 for Tests and around 100 for ODIs. For all that attacking image that people have about Razzaq, he has a pretty average strike rates..

 

[Gunner85]

To be fair, Pandya has had a very good start to his international career. But he is capable of ending up with better stats and impact than player like Razzaq. One more stats you left out is about strike rate

Strike rate
Razzaq 41.04 (Tests), 81.25 (ODIs)
Pandya 107.87(Tests), 122.55(ODIs)

Obviously Pandya has a very small sample but his strike rates will mostly stabilize around 80 for Tests and around 100 for ODIs. For all that attacking image that people have about Razzaq, he has a pretty average strike rates..

This is because Razzaq always needed time to settle before he tear into the bowlers.Pandya is just the opposite he can start hitting even from the first ball.I still remember in 1999 world cup pakistan used to sent Razzaq at No:3 just to blunt the swinging ball and later hit out.He did this to perfection in some games.I think he scored a match winning 60-70 against Australia in a league game of 1999 world cup.

 

[Mainul]

Razzaq had two phases in his career.He was a genuine pace bowling all rounder with hitting the deck, getting some swing and taking wickets regularly in ODIs. He contributed both in the lower and top order with the bat.But in the second phase of his career, his bowling declined very fast,he still continued contributing with the bat.His value as a bowling all rounder begin to fall steadily.He was never a good fielder and he was never a good test all rounder.These last 2 points can be the decisive factor for Hardik.If he performs well as all-rounder in tests and he is already a very good fielder and very good batting all rounder,he can go past Raazaq easily.

But remember,Hardik has to be consistent to do that.His career is only 24 ODIs and 3 test old.Its a really a tough job for any all rounder to perform consistently with both bat and ball.Razzaq did that for a considerable time period.

 

[Hamza_]

Razzaq is a legend.

I still remember his sensational batting against South Africa (That was a special win in the memory and an ATG innings) after he murdered English Bowlers by his sensational hitting.

Razzaq was an impact player, A true match winner.

 

[Rana]

I think people tend to forget the amount of times Razzaq countlessly rescued Pakistan from a terrible situation and won games for Pakistan. In ODI cricket, I don't think I have ever seen a more destructive batsman once he gets his eye in. He had a habit of singlehandedly serving defeat to England, many a times when they were on the brink of victory

 

[Suleiman]

Razzaq right now obviously. But doesn't take a genius to see who has a better attitude, hunger for success, and discipline to have a fulfilling career.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Do you even realise what you're talking about? Just because working out in the gym has become a thing now and posting pictures on Instagram is the measure for fitness, it doesn't mean that players like Razzaq were unfit. If anytjing, Razzaq in his first 5 years was one of the fittest cricketers playing the sport!

I remember reading that he cycled 15 Kilometers EVERY single day to his club and BACK! He was the epitome of fitness with a lean structure, the reason why he was a consistent 140 KPH + bowler. Of course, his fitness went down the drain after his initial few years but so can Hardik's. He has just been in playing international cricket for a year now.


We'll come back to this thread when Hardik can smash bowlers like Amir, Hazelwood, Starc for five fours in an over at peak!

Despite being fittest cricketer, Razzler was pretty average fielder. Pandya is day light ahead in terms of fielding.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Which is why this is a very stupid thread. Pandya has had a decent few months LOL

He's had a few GOAT level months.

Obviously that doesn't make him GOAT yet, but if he maintained this form for a few years he would be.

On form he is the No. 1 player in the world in LOI. Wouldn't want anyone in my squad ahead of him.

 

[khurram39]

Hahahaa.... A Razzaq failed to hit spinners too.

Pandya can't hit seamers. Razzler used to deposit them into stands for fun.

Think most PPers aren't old enough to talk about this topic

 

[Test champion]

Pandya Has potential to become next big star for indian cricket .

 

[Proactive_]

Another premature thread.

In his early days, I remember Razzaq troubling Tendulkar on multiple occasions in the 2000 Tri Series and getting 5 boundaries off of a McGrath over. Pandya is not even in the same ballpark as far as early signs are concerned. I have a huge amount of respect for Pandya, he was the only guy out of the 11 who stood up for the Tri Color in the CT Final while others were probably busy at counting their IPL money, but no.. this comparison is not warranted at this stage.

 

[JaDed]

Another premature thread.

In his early days, I remember Razzaq troubling Tendulkar on multiple occasions in the 2000 Tri Series and getting 5 boundaries off of a McGrath over. Pandya is not even in the same ballpark as far as early signs are concerned. I have a huge amount of respect for Pandya, he was the only guy out of the 11 who stood up for the Tri Color in the CT Final while others were probably busy at counting their IPL money, but no.. this comparison is not warranted at this stage.

What are the other premature threads?
Kohli vs Shafiq? Sachin vs Umar, Asad in level of Sachin?

 

[Extra_Cover]

Although both are ARs they both bat and bowl in vastly different ways.

Batting - Pandya six scoring areas are from long off to square leg same as Razzaq but the only difference is Pandya has preference to attack spin while Razzaq used to attack seamers.
Overall, Pandya has more range of strokes and easily the better batsman.

Bowling - Razzaq natural length was full (reverse swinging the old ball). Pandya natural length is short of length.
Overall, Razzaq was better than Pandya in his early days, but Pandya will overtake Razzaq because he has got incredible fitness which will make his pace bowling continue for long time.

Fielder - Pandya any day. Who will forget that drop of Sachin in 2003 WC match!

Overall, Pandya will be the better overall package than Razzaq

 

[Proactive_]

What are the other premature threads?
Kohli vs Shafiq? Sachin vs Umar, Asad in level of Sachin?

I didn't create any of them so I don't know what's your point in quoting me, but whatever..

 

[shaz619]

Razzaq is better but Pandya has a lot of potential. Razzaq when he first burst onto the scene could move the ball both ways at 140+ and was consistent with the bat. Very underated, he didn't get the notoriety which Afridi did. It was a different era then as well, think Razzaq would favour himself even more now given how padded statistics can be.

Pandya is better at smashing spinners though, Razzaq's biggest weakness and then his attitude later on. Pandya if he works hard and improves his game can be among the best A/R's in the world with a bit more experience at the highest level

 

[shaz619]

I like this Pandya bloke though, he's not like other Indians. There is no quit in the guy, always respek a fighting spirit

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Abdul Razzaq for his first 5-6 years in International cricket was a beast. He was like a second coming of Imran Khan with lesser pace. But his bowling quickly faded away after 2005.

Indian allrounders also have a tendency to start strongly before losing their steam prematurely (Irfan Pathan, Stuart Binny, Hemang Badani) so let's wait 4-5 years before making a comparison.

But in this short span of time, Pandya has looked like he is the real deal.

 

[hadi123]

Too early to start comparing Pandya with someone like Razzaq. But, even as a Pakistani fan, I like Pandya's attitude. Will fight till the very end. Razzaq, as we all know, had many attitude problems as well as disciplinary issues.

 

[shariqnoor]

Just a thought that why almost all comparisons of Pakistani players are with Indian players on this forum? This could easily have been a Razzaq vs Stokes thread but I see almost all comparisons are against Indian players? Why is that so?

Anyways coming to the topic, there is absolutely no comparison right now. Razzaq is still eons ahead of Pandya. It remains to be seen how Pandya's career develops though. His bowling is okayish and certainly doesn't have the ability to rip through batting lineups like Razzaq could in his career early on. Batting wise, Razzaq was right up there as well playing any role the team demanded. He had the ability to score a 30 ball hundred as well as score 30 runs in 300 balls. Remains to be seen how Pandya progresses in relation to his batting. He is undergoing a purple patch right now and it would be interesting when that patch end to see how he comes back.

Overall, if Pandya ends up playing 300 ODIS, then I would think so he would surpass Razzaq simply because the Indian system currently nurtures players and elevates their game. Case in point Rohit Sharma. He started out worse than Ahmed Shehzad and look at where Rohit is and where Shehzad is.

 

[jnaveen1980]

When i first started watching Pandya was hitting seamers for gigantic sixes. Nowadays they don't bowl full to him to hit sixes. If he can learn how to play percentage cricket from Dhoni he will be more than handy.

 

[Buffet]

Abdul Razzaq for his first 5-6 years in International cricket was a beast. He was like a second coming of Imran Khan with lesser pace. But his bowling quickly faded away after 2005.

Second coming of IK had bowling average of 38 till 2005. Excluding WI his bowling average in the same period was 43.

 

[shaz619]

Second coming of IK had bowling average of 38 till 2005. Excluding WI his bowling average in the same period was 43.

In Tests he underachieved but was also not utilised effectively whilst being constantly in and out of the team. Between 2004-2005 he played just 10 test matches, in ODI's he was obviously a lot better until around about 2004

 

[ManFan]

I like this Pandya bloke though, he's not like other Indians. There is no quit in the guy, always respek a fighting spirit

RespeK.

 

[mystical man]

Not sure why we are drawing comparisons with a player who has not played international cricket in the last 10 years? Maybe Stokes vs Pandya

 

[ManFan]

Not sure why we are drawing comparisons with a player who has not played international cricket in the last 10 years? Maybe Stokes vs Pandya

Didn't you see the WA vs. IK thread a few days ago?

 

[Buffet]

In Tests he underachieved but was also not utilised effectively whilst being constantly in and out of the team. Between 2004-2005 he played just 10 test matches, in ODI's he was obviously a lot better until around about 2004

He was still a handy bowler to have as 5th bowler, but often PPers use hyperbole which is not close to reality. Second coming of IK got my attention. This happens with players who have retired a while back.

 

[mystical man]

Didn't you see the WA vs. IK thread a few days ago?

Probably missed it but anyhow Pandya is doing well for India and that is it

 

[shaz619]

He was still a handy bowler to have as 5th bowler, but often PPers use hyperbole which is not close to reality. Second coming of IK got my attention. This happens with players who have retired a while back.

He must have genuinely been taking the pee wee with that comparison I think Razzaq may have been the only decent pace bowling A/R we produced after IK though maybe that's why some people go OTT, he should have done better but overall in the limited forms did pretty well for Pakistan

 

[shaz619]

RespeK.

 

[someone21]

This is the same Razzaq who said Shezhad has more talent than Sachin ever had. So delusional players and some delusional answers.

This discussion isn't about achievements as one has clearly played more cricket, but about talent, will power, and team dynamics. Hardik fits better in all 3 and can be a main batsman/bowler.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Second coming of IK had bowling average of 38 till 2005. Excluding WI his bowling average in the same period was 43.

Imran Khan in his first 5 years had a bowling average of 33

Although I was talking about ODI cricket. Razzaq only played like 40 Tests.
He was an exceptional bowler who could swing it both ways, was an impact player with both bat and bowl, would frequently bat at no 3 and consolidate, could hit it big towards the end. Was able to change the game with either bat or bowl. He regressed sharply after 2005

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He must have genuinely been taking the pee wee with that comparison I think Razzaq may have been the only decent pace bowling A/R we produced after IK though maybe that's why some people go OTT, he should have done better but overall in the limited forms did pretty well for Pakistan

LOL can't someone take Imran Khan the ODI player as an example of comparison? Imran is the only true pace bowling allrounder we have ever had. Abdul Razzaq (and Azhar Mahmood to an extent) I don't consider Wasim as an allrounder, he massively underachieved as a batter.

 

[Sidilicious]

LOL can't someone take Imran Khan the ODI player as an example of comparison? Imran is the only true pace bowling allrounder we have ever had. Abdul Razzaq (and Azhar Mahmood to an extent) I don't consider Wasim as an allrounder, he massively underachieved as a batter.

Azhar Mehmood and too an extent Wasim Akram

 

[Kianig89]

Pandya > Razzaq

Full stop

 

[JaDed]

I didn't create any of them so I don't know what's your point in quoting me, but whatever..

Coz you mentioned as another premature thread,wanted to know which are those others?

 

[Napa]

Another premature thread.

In his early days, I remember Razzaq troubling Tendulkar on multiple occasions in the 2000 Tri Series and getting 5 boundaries off of a McGrath over. Pandya is not even in the same ballpark as far as early signs are concerned.

You have to a blind man wearing a blindfold in a dark room not so see the early signs of Pandya. But then as we are talking about an Indian player, I am not surprised by your bias.

Pandya <b>in a single year</b> has hit 3 consecutive sixes 4 times in international cricket:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/20732023/hardik-pandya-hat-trick-habit

Other players to have done that:

ABD 4 times over his entire career
Jayasuriya 3 times over his entire career

Abdul Razzaq who?

You are right when you say Pandya is not is the same ballpark as Razzaq, though not how you intended.

Batting:
Razzaq 28.61 (Tests), 29.70 (ODIs)
Pandya 59.33 (Tests) 40.75 (ODIs)

Bowling:
Razzaq 36.94 (Tests), 31.83 (ODIs)
Pandya 23.75 (Tests), 34.03 (ODIs)

Strike rate
Razzaq 41.04 (Tests), 81.25 (ODIs)
Pandya 107.87(Tests), 122.55(ODIs)

Pandya is 30% to 100% better in 5 out of 6 metrics.

Your anti-India bias is terribly overworked, give it a much needed vacation.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Azhar Mehmood and too an extent Wasim Akram

Azhar had the potential but sadly could never bring it to international stage. He is best known for his county cricket exploits which certainly make him a county cricket's one of the finest allrounders of the 21st century but that's about it

 

[sshakir411]

Useless comparison. Come back when Pandya has played match winning inning hundreds.

 

[Proactive_]

You have to a blind man wearing a blindfold in a dark room not so see the early signs of Pandya. But then as we are talking about an Indian player, I am not surprised by your bias.

Pandya <b>in a single year</b> has hit 3 consecutive sixes 4 times in international cricket:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/20732023/hardik-pandya-hat-trick-habit

Other players to have done that:

ABD 4 times over his entire career
Jayasuriya 3 times over his entire career

Abdul Razzaq who?

You are right when you say Pandya is not is the same ballpark as Razzaq, though not how you intended.

Batting:
Razzaq 28.61 (Tests), 29.70 (ODIs)
Pandya 59.33 (Tests) 40.75 (ODIs)

Bowling:
Razzaq 36.94 (Tests), 31.83 (ODIs)
Pandya 23.75 (Tests), 34.03 (ODIs)

Strike rate
Razzaq 41.04 (Tests), 81.25 (ODIs)
Pandya 107.87(Tests), 122.55(ODIs)

Pandya is 30% to 100% better in 5 out of 6 metrics.

Your anti-India bias is terribly overworked, give it a much needed vacation.

Lots of interesting revelations in this post.

Firstly, I just can't get the logic behind using consecutive sixes as some sort of benchmark of batsmanship, but alright.

You want to talk potential? Let's have a look at Razzaq's performances in the Carlton and Untied Tri Series played between India, World Champions Australia and Pakistan in 1999-2000.

Batting - 225 Runs at 37.50
Bowling- 14 Wickets @ 20.78

To add a bit of more perspective to these numbers, have a look at the batsmen that he bowled to and bowlers that he faced in this series:

Batsmen: Gilchrist, M. Waugh, Ponting, Bevan, S. Waugh, Martyn, Symonds, Ganguly, Tendulkar, Dravid (Highest run scorer in the 99 WC).

Bowlers: McGrath, Fleming, Lee and Warne.

To use your words - You have to a blind man wearing a blindfold in a dark room to not see that Pandya hasn't even faced a thousandth of the talent and class faced by Razzaq in his early days, to be making a coherent comparison on potential.

As I said, I rate this Pandya dude. I just don't indulge myself in this business of overrating every young kid on the block to another galaxy on the basis of a handful of matches. So your averages mean nothing at this moment and are as hollow as your consecutive sixes argument. Let him play a full season overseas and then we can have a talk.

 

[Chrish]

Pandya has never hit Mcg for 5 consecutive 4. Come back when that happens.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Lots of interesting revelations in this post.

Firstly, I just can't get the logic behind using consecutive sixes as some sort of benchmark of batsmanship, but alright.

You want to talk potential? Let's have a look at Razzaq's performances in the Carlton and Untied Tri Series played between India, World Champions Australia and Pakistan in 1999-2000.

Batting - 225 Runs at 37.50
Bowling- 14 Wickets @ 20.78

To add a bit of more perspective to these numbers, have a look at the batsmen that he bowled to and bowlers that he faced in this series:

Batsmen: Gilchrist, M. Waugh, Ponting, Bevan, S. Waugh, Martyn, Symonds, Ganguly, Tendulkar, Dravid (Highest run scorer in the 99 WC).

Bowlers: McGrath, Fleming, Lee and Warne.

To use your words - You have to a blind man wearing a blindfold in a dark room to not see that Pandya hasn't even faced a thousandth of the talent and class faced by Razzaq in his early days, to be making a coherent comparison on potential.

As I said, I rate this Pandya dude. I just don't indulge myself in this business of overrating every young kid on the block to another galaxy on the basis of a handful of matches. So your averages mean nothing at this moment and are as hollow as your consecutive sixes argument. Let him play a full season overseas and then we can have a talk.

Love your logic like always. So you choose one series which which suits your argument, and then take it as standard? Which idiot taught you metrics?

Another fact- Razzaq had the cushion of Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar and to some extent Waqar while bowling. His work load was pretty less and also he was the only bowler who batsmen would try to hit and get out in the process.
I doubt you ever watched Razzaq. He was an average bowler at best. Not a bad player at all, he was great. But he was no ATG as you somehow portray!

This does not however mean I am disrespecting Razzaq, I think he was a fantastic player who Pakistani management spoilt. But the stupid argument and logic by this poster is beyond idiotic.

 

[Proactive_]

Love your logic like always. So you choose one series which which suits your argument, and then take it as standard? Which idiot taught you metrics?

Another fact- Razzaq had the cushion of Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar and to some extent Waqar while bowling. His work load was pretty less and also he was the only bowler who batsmen would try to hit and get out in the process.
I doubt you ever watched Razzaq. He was an average bowler at best. Not a bad player at all, he was great. But he was no ATG as you somehow portray!

This does not however mean I am disrespecting Razzaq, I think he was a fantastic player who Pakistani management spoilt. But the stupid argument and logic by this poster is beyond idiotic.

Learn to read. The guy I am responding was making an argument on the basis of Pandya's records in a 3 Tests and 20 Odd ODIs. I'm using the same logic by using Razzaq's performance in a series in 1999 (the year in which he debuted) against much much tougher opposition than Pandya is ever expected to face in his career, and doing great. It's his line of reasoning, not mine.

 

[Napa]

You want to talk potential? Let's have a look at Razzaq's performances in the Carlton and Untied Tri Series played between India, World Champions Australia and Pakistan in 1999-2000.

Batting - 225 Runs at 37.50
Bowling- 14 Wickets @ 20.78

So I give you career stats and you come back with stats from one particular series to prove your point. Very convincing indeed...

Even in the particular series specially selected by you, Razzaq's batting average of 37.50, though higher than his lifetime average of 29.70, is lower than Pandya's career average of 40.7.

"Pandya is not even in the same ballpark <b>as far as early signs</b> are concerned." Go away now.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Learn to read. The guy I am responding was making an argument on the basis of Pandya's records in a 3 Tests and 20 Odd ODIs. I'm using the same logic by using Razzaq's performance in a series in 1999 (the year in which he debuted) against much much tougher opposition than Pandya is ever expected to face in his career, and doing great. It's his line of reasoning, not mine.

He is only providing the data which exists as of now. There's no other way to judge!