Accumulator XI: What will it take to change the formula for Pakistan in ODIs?

[Suleiman]

Seems like the CT victory has blinded the selectors a bit so they are getting a free pass now and yet again they choose a mid to early 90s type batting line-up with Fakhar Zaman being one of the only dynamic bats.

You have a slew of batsmen with pretty much similar batting styles suited to just tick the scoreboard along and I think maybe aside from the once in a lifetime fast 50 in a tournament knockout, most of them won't do much to rock the boat regularly.

Babar, Malik, Hafeez, Haris, Sarfraz, Azhar, Imam are all cut from the same cloth. Instead of building on our ODI momentum we are going to kill it.

A lot of fans have been saying for a while to let a couple of these acumularinas go, but nobody is listening.

Azhar and Hafeez simply have to go. But their CT performances will keep them latched on this WC 19, which after our CT victory I still feel we will not perform in because we refuse to change this moronic strategy.

 

[austerlitz]

Its too late to change much in international cricket itself,change must come from domestic structure - where batsmen balanced between hacking and blocking must be produced.

 

[Darkrai]

You can't just straight up change your entire team in one tour. You say it like we have dynamic batters in our domestic. Do you really think that selectors would select new players in a NZ tour instead of players that just won them the CT. The fact is Azhar deserves to be in the team because he has performed, and besides there aren't many player that are better batsman than him.

 

[KyoOne]

Harris is a little more dynamic than others, can up the ante when set.

I sincerely hope Hafeez is not played in any of the games.

Faheem and Yamin in the same x1, and no Nawaz, would be much better though, with both having somewhat power game with the bat.

Sarfraz needs to bat up the order as well, a busy player who's wasted down the order.

 

[KyoOne]

I would surely have taken guys like Talal or Sahibzada, but given the resources, I'd play this combination:

Fakhar
Sarfraz (c)+
Harris (best option for no 3 for us)
Babar
Malik
Yamin (better batsman than bowler)
Faheem (better bowler and a power hitter)
Shadab
Hasan
Amir
Rumman

 

[HuzaifaE]

We have to take it step by step since we do have a decent ODI formula at the moment (didn't fluke an ICC event after all).

Fakhar's poor form is making us look less threatening. I think all we need is Malik to be at the crease at a time when he can dictate the pace against spin, instead of slogging at the death vs pace, and we need to get Haris in because he's significantly more dynamic as a general batsman but also does well against pure pace.

1. Fakhar
2. Azhar
3. Babar
4. Malik
5. Haris
6. Sarfraz
7. Fahim
8. Shadab
9. Amir
10. Hasan
11. Raees

That's a fine combination, we have an opening pair that has had success, one of the most talented number 3s around, Malik where he can dictate the game, Haris where he can perform a transitional role in the batting and a good tail end of the batting with Fahim and Shadab that can crank it up. The issue I have with our batting is Sarfraz has to be shoehorned somewhere. He's not a good opener, he's not a good slogger, he's not our best accumulator, he's just in a very bad spot where he doesn't fill a role and just kind of makes up the numbers and tries nifty paddles and rotating the strike during the crunch part of the innings. Eventually maybe Malik makes way for him and we can get a Talat at 6, but Malik can't be shunted at 6 as of now.

 

[Rayyman]

Fakhar, Babar, Sarfraz, Malik, and Haris can all play at 90+ SR.

Main culprits are Hafeez and Azhar. Probably won't get rid of them both at the same time, so need to go one by one. Hafeez first.

Azhar has improved his stroke-making a bit and sometimes his tuk tuk is needed to stop a collapse, plus he plays as opener so it can be made up for.

Hafeez just destroys the whole innings and momentum. He was mainly an opener so didn't need to rotate strike much, but now he doesn't have reflexes or technique for new ball so he plays at 4. Problem is he still can't take singles/doubles at a good enough rate. Dot ball percentage is too high. He is like a cancer to the team and any hopes of him moving down to a more suited position at #6/7 have been diminished after his ban. Utterly useless player and a cancer to the team who should be booted out ASAP.

I actually have high hopes for Faheem though. Think he has the potential to be one of the most lethal ball strikers in the world.

I think Pak. will miss Imad here. Him and Faheem would've made a destructive combo at #6/7 or 7/8. Now it's all upto Faheem and hope Pak. don't leave him with all the scoring just like they used to with Afridi. Hopefully Hasan Ali is promoted too as Shady is not good enough with the bat as of yet.

 

[babajee]

Need an aggressive opener and Haris.

 

[babajee]

Shady is not good enough with the bat as of yet.

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Shadab is much a better batsman than Imad. It was Shadab who saved 2 matches with his batting vs SL. Firstly his 50 in the 2nd ODI and then his last over heroics.

Imad is a useless railu katta.

 

[big_gamer007]

Stop whining you guys have a pretty decent batting line up.. As long as they play without fear of losing places they can all accelerate well apart from maybe Babar and Azhar.

Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Fakhar, Harris and with fahim and Sarfaraz you have enough firepower all have proven capable of hitting big.. It just so happens that people here remember their tuk tuk performances and think they are not capable of hitting big which is not true they can play at a good strike rate just need confidence and form..

 

[prop558]

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Shadab is much a better batsman than Imad. It was Shadab who saved 2 matches with his batting vs SL. Firstly his 50 in the 2nd ODI and then his last over heroics.

Imad is a useless railu katta.

Absolutely right !! I think Imad is useless / highly over-rated all rounder.

In the presence of Fahim & Shadab, Imad should not be in the playing 11.

Shadab is permanent in the team, the competition for the slot is between Imad, Fahim & Muhammad Nawaz. To me, among these 3, Fahim is better as compared to other two.

 

[Markhor]

When we get beat.

I respect what Azhar did in the CT but he lacks the range of shots and dynamism needed in an era where ODI batting lineups are expected to view 300 as a par score. I think it can be rectified with another explosive opener to partner Fakhar Zaman, maybe Sahibzada Farhan. With Fahim Ashraf down the order - you'd have three batsmen capable of scoring more than a run a ball.

You can then afford a steady, accumulating middle order to complement that in Babar, Haris, Malik (though suspect against quality pace is capable of big hitting) and Sarfraz.

My worry about Farhan is how much he was crouching in the National T20, he looked far more upright before and it seems to be affecting his balance at the crease.

 

[Markhor]

Absolutely right !! I think Imad is useless / highly over-rated all rounder.

In the presence of Fahim & Shadab, Imad should not be in the playing 11.

Shadab is permanent in the team, the competition for the slot is between Imad, Fahim & Muhammad Nawaz. To me, among these 3, Fahim is better as compared to other two.

Depends on conditions - outside Asia, play Fahim as you'll need the extra seamer. In Asia and UAE, you can pay Imad as you don't need four seamers, especially in the desert.

 

[prop558]

I would surely have taken guys like Talal or Sahibzada, but given the resources, I'd play this combination:

Fakhar
Sarfraz (c)+
Harris (best option for no 3 for us)
Babar
Malik
Yamin (better batsman than bowler)
Faheem (better bowler and a power hitter)
Shadab
Hasan
Amir
Rumman

01 - Fakhar
02 - Azhar
03 - Saad Ali (deserve proper chance in 3 or 5 matches, highest run scorer in QA Trophy)
04 - Babar Azam
05 - Sarfraz Ahmed
06 - Shoaib Malik (prepare and train Hasan Mohsin as backup batting all rounder)
07 - Fahim Ashraf (keep Amir Yamin as backup)
08 - Shadab Khan
09 - Muhammad Amir
10 - Junaid Khan (if unfit then pick Rumman or Mir Hamza)
11 - Hasan Ali

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[prop558]

Depends on conditions - outside Asia, play Fahim as you'll need the extra seamer. In Asia and UAE, you can pay Imad as you don't need four seamers, especially in the desert.

Fahim is a package of power hitting + pace bowling. PCB must train him for bigger upcoming tournaments like ASIA CUP, World Cup, T20 World Cup, South Africa Tour. He can be handy / fruitful in limited overs format like Razzaq. If he gets unfit or tired, just use Amir Yamin or Hasan Mohsin as backup.

See Shoaib Malik is getting older an older as he is playing since 1999, we need to prepare his backup from now. According to my close watch in domestic circuit, Hasan Mohsin & Hussain Talat are the two most ideal candidates for his future replacement. Hasan Mohsin should have been selected for the ODI squad, to play in easy matches by resting Shoaib Malik or to play if Malik get injured.

 

[Greenstorm]

Op is spot on regarding the need of dynamic batsmen in LOI cricket. Our recent success is mainly because of our bowling and this "winning combination" thing should only be applied for our bowlers. Considering that next world cup is in England, players like Azhar, Hafeez, Malik and Imam should be no where near our squad.

People say that we do not have dynamic batsmen in our domestics but same thing was being said before we gave chances to sharjeel and Fakhar. Players like Talat, Hammad, Yamin, Zeeshan, Farhan can be our modern day dynamic batsmen if given chances early in their careers, otherwise they will keep on regressing in domestic careers. It baffles me why Inzi and co do not realize it.

 

[Greenstorm]

Fahim is a package of power hitting + pace bowling. PCB must train him for bigger upcoming tournaments like ASIA CUP, World Cup, T20 World Cup, South Africa Tour. He can be handy / fruitful in limited overs format like Razzaq. If he gets unfit or tired, just use Amir Yamin or Hasan Mohsin as backup.

See Shoaib Malik is getting older an older as he is playing since 1999, we need to prepare his backup from now. According to my close watch in domestic circuit, Hasan Mohsin & Hussain Talat are the two most ideal candidates for his future replacement. Hasan Mohsin should have been selected for the ODI squad, to play in easy matches by resting Shoaib Malik or to play if Malik get injured.

Hassan Mohsin is too skinny to bat as lower order batsman . His bowling is not of international level. Hussain Talat and Amir Yameen are far better options.

 

[Hasan123]

I think we are stuck with this line up for a while. Our think tank seem to think having players together for a while is a good thing regardless of performance. Don't think Inzi has the guts to drop Hafeez and Azhar. It's all on Arthur and Sarfraz.

 

[prop558]

Hassan Mohsin is too skinny to bat as lower order batsman . His bowling is not of international level. Hussain Talat and Amir Yameen are far better options.

Pointless / Funny logic, Hasan Mohsin can't be selected at international lever because he is too skinny. Funny . Is he going to play WWE or what ?... Team wins through runs and wickets, doesn't matter player is skinny or bulky .

Hahaha

Husain Talat has not performed good enough to be selected at International level. See his latest performances in QA Trophy and National One Day Cup.

 

[Snak3eye5]

This is almost the same team that won the Ct trophy. You ideally want to go in with the same crop of unchanged players who will most likely win. It's not good to change when you allready have you're best players in..what is everyone on about ??

 

[Greenstorm]

Pointless / Funny logic, Hasan Mohsin can't be selected at international lever because he is too skinny. Funny . Is he going to play WWE or what ?... Team wins through runs and wickets, doesn't matter player is skinny or bulky .

Hahaha

Husain Talat has not performed good enough to be selected at International level. See his latest performances in QA Trophy and National One Day Cup.

Lower order batsmen do need some strength along with technique when they are going after bowlers in death overs . There is a reason why lower order batsmen of top teams are generally tall and strongly built. Hassan Mohsin's is potentially better if he bats in the top order. Same goes for Shadab.

QA trophy performances are irrelevant for LO cricket. Hussain Talat performed well in recent t20 cup.

 

[prop558]

Lower order batsmen do need some strength along with technique when they are going after bowlers in death overs . There is a reason why lower order batsmen of top teams are generally tall and strongly built. Hassan Mohsin's is potentially better if he bats in the top order. Same goes for Shadab.

QA trophy performances are irrelevant for LO cricket. Hussain Talat performed well in recent t20 cup.

Performance in National T20 Cup or even PSL is irrelevant to be selected for ODI format. I would like to have Hussain Talat in T20 format, but not in ODIs or Tests. Never. ODI is not all about slogging / power hitting. Its a wrong concept, made and imposed by IPL BBL PSL lovers.

Oh my dearest brother, with all due respect, tall and strong built has nothing to do with victories. Teams win through runs, not by height or built. I dont have words to describe your logic. Same logic brought Irfan and see he wasn't as fruitful as Amir or Junaid.

Sachin & Lara had less heights but were simply no match with others, where the hell your concept of tall & strong built has gone then ?... Ponting was so skinny when he debut.

HASAN MOHSIN was the highest runs scorer from Pakistan, in Under 19 world cup 2016. But I'm saying to immediately bring him in ODI team, what I'm saying is just to prepare him, train him as a future backup of Shoaib Malik as a batting all rounder in ODIs. who bats at no.5 or 6 as a genuine batsman and also can bowl handy 5-6 overs as 6th BOWLER. This exactly what Malik's job. Whats wrong in this ?

 

[MeanAndGreen]

Contrarily to popular belief, I think Pakistan is not far off having a solid ODI batting line up. You don't win series against the big boys or global tournaments if you don't have a strong core of proper batters who can accumulate free of risk and have strike rates of 100. As we saw in the Champions Trophy and against teams like India, South Africa, Australia , your Maxwells, Buttlers, Millers are useless unless you have glue holding the batting order together.

Pakistan have a few of players in this mould in Babar, Haris and Malik - batters who find gaps, run hard and can pace innings. We have a dasher in Fakhar (Sharjeel is sorely missed) and Shadab, Faheem and Hasan have potential as lower order hitters.

The only real problems in our lineups are Azhar and in particular Hafeez, who need to be replaced with more dynamic players before 2019 in order to complement the core batsmen of the side.

 

[Greenstorm]

Performance in National T20 Cup or even PSL is irrelevant to be selected for ODI format. I would like to have Hussain Talat in T20 format, but not in ODIs or Tests. Never. ODI is not all about slogging / power hitting. Its a wrong concept, made and imposed by IPL BBL PSL lovers.

Oh my dearest brother, with all due respect, tall and strong built has nothing to do with victories. Teams win through runs, not by height or built. I dont have words to describe your logic. Same logic brought Irfan and see he wasn't as fruitful as Amir or Junaid.

Sachin & Lara had less heights but were simply no match with others, where the hell your concept of tall & strong built has gone then ?... Ponting was so skinny when he debut.

HASAN MOHSIN was the highest runs scorer from Pakistan, in Under 19 world cup 2016. But I'm saying to immediately bring him in ODI team, what I'm saying is just to prepare him, train him as a future backup of Shoaib Malik as a batting all rounder in ODIs. who bats at no.5 or 6 as a genuine batsman and also can bowl handy 5-6 overs as 6th BOWLER. This exactly what Malik's job. Whats wrong in this ?

Brian Lara, Sachin and Ponting were top order batsman. You are dismissing Hussain Talat who is potentially way ahead of Hassan Mohsin and is actually performing in List A cricket. How many List A matches has Hassan Mohsin Played ? On what basis do you think he is better than Talat, yamin and others as lower order batsman ?

 

[prop558]

Contrarily to popular belief, I think Pakistan is not far off having a solid ODI batting line up. You don't win series against the big boys or global tournaments if you don't have a strong core of proper batters who can accumulate free of risk and have strike rates of 100. As we saw in the Champions Trophy and against teams like India, South Africa, Australia , your Maxwells, Buttlers, Millers are useless unless you have glue holding the batting order together.

Pakistan have a few of players in this mould in Babar, Haris and Malik - batters who find gaps, run hard and can pace innings. We have a dasher in Fakhar (Sharjeel is sorely missed) and Shadab, Faheem and Hasan have potential as lower order hitters.

The only real problems in our lineups are Azhar and in particular Hafeez, who need to be replaced with more dynamic players before 2019 in order to complement the core batsmen of the side.

Get rid-of Hafeez and put SAAD ALI in. He will provide you LH - RH batting combination, as well strike rotation, standing long at crease. Wickets in hands plays key role in scoring big runs or in chasing big targets.

Azhar is not a problem, he plays good and he is now in good combination with Fakhar Zaman. Which proved quite effective and successful in Champions Trophy.

 

[Greenstorm]

Get rid-of Hafeez and put SAAD ALI in. He will provide you LH - RH batting combination, as well strike rotation, standing long at crease. Wickets in hands plays key role in scoring big runs or in chasing big targets.

Azhar is not a problem, he plays good and he is now in good combination with Fakhar Zaman. Which proved quite effective and successful in Champions Trophy.

Isn't Haris Sohail a better option than Saad Ali ?

 

[prop558]

Isn't Haris Sohail a better option than Saad Ali ?

No.

SAAD ALI is the Highest Runs Scorer QA Trophy 2017-18. He must be rewarded for this achievement. Meanwhile Haris Sohail never performed a single time agaisnt any big team. He was part of Word Cup 2015 Squad, it was a Golden Chance for him (as well as to Sohaib Maqsood) to become a HERO. But they failed, even I was against Misbah & Younis inclusion in ODI side.

Modern day cricketers are specified in the formats.

 

[prop558]

Isn't Haris Sohail a better option than Saad Ali ?

Compare the performance of both players in last 2 domestic season.

Compare their performance in First Class & Under-19 level.

Compare their performance in List A format.

 

[Greenstorm]

Compare the performance of both players in last 2 domestic season.

Compare their performance in First Class & Under-19 level.

Compare their performance in List A format.

Both players are similar but Haris Sohail has performed at international level before so he deserves a chance ahead of Saad Ali. Haris Sohail's bowling gives him added advantage.

 

[prop558]

Both players are similar but Haris Sohail has performed at international level before so he deserves a chance ahead of Saad Ali. Haris Sohail's bowling gives him added advantage.

He deserves priority over SAAD ALI just because he had played before. Is that a logic ?

Thats what I'm saying brother, that Haris has already played at International level (including world cup) and failed to perform against any big team, can you quote a single innings of Haris Sohail to justify his selection over SAAD ALI ?

Whats the reward for batsman if he is the highest runs scorer in QA Trophy ? .... If you don't have to select the best batsman or the best bowler of the tournament, then whats the purpose of QA Trophy ? ..

 

[Greenstorm]

He deserves priority over SAAD ALI just because he had played before. Is that a logic ?

Thats what I'm saying brother, that Haris has already played at International level (including world cup) and failed to perform against any big team, can you quote a single innings of Haris Sohail to justify his selection over SAAD ALI ?

Whats the reward for batsman if he is the highest runs scorer in QA Trophy ? .... If you don't have to select the best batsman or the best bowler of the tournament, then whats the purpose of QA Trophy ? ..

Haris deserves a go because he was dropped not because of poor form but due to injury. He averages 43 with decent strike rate in international cricket. He was playing outside subcontinent for the first time in World cup 2015 and yet ended up as third highest scorer for Pakistan in that tournament.

 

[prop558]

Both players are similar but Haris Sohail has performed at international level before so he deserves a chance ahead of Saad Ali. Haris Sohail's bowling gives him added advantage.

Haris Sohail record in NZ : he has scored total 99 runs in 4 matches, with the Strike rate of 74.43, highest is 70 against UAE in World Cup 2015.

He played 3 matches against NZ in NZ, scored 29 runs with the highest of 23

What a class he has !!

I feel pitty on the nation who advocate such players who are already exposed at international level as well as the players like asif & butt who are declared fixers by the court.

Dear Haris is already tried & tested, international cricket has gone too far, too advance, now centuries are not a big deal. We need players who scores centuries on regular basis and you are happy with players who scores 20-30 runs ..

 

[coy0607]

in Fakhar, Malik and Ashraf you have 3 guys who generally play at high SRs and can accelerate anytime, but I agree with your point - this isn't enough

We need more dynamic batsmen, and more so than making changes I think guys like Imam, Babar, Haris need to internally develop that ability to play more modern games

 

[prop558]

Haris deserves a go because he was dropped not because of poor form but due to injury. He averages 43 with decent strike rate in international cricket. He was playing outside subcontinent for the first time in World cup 2015 and yet ended up as third highest scorer for Pakistan in that tournament.

By scoring 70 against UAE ??? ... He scored 70 against UAE which helped him to become so called 3rd highest scorer for Pakistan, what was his overall number among the highest runs scorer in that World Cup ??? May be not even in TOP 10.

whole team failed in that tournament due to poor selection by PCB. Younis & Misbah weren't at all fit for ODI format. While Haris & Sohaib were also just a useless selections.

 

[prop558]

in Fakhar, Malik and Ashraf you have 3 guys who generally play at high SRs and can accelerate anytime, but I agree with your point - this isn't enough

We need more dynamic batsmen, and more so than making changes I think guys like Imam, Babar, Haris need to internally develop that ability to play more modern games

SAAD ALI is far more dynamic and talented than Imam & Haris.

Imam & Haris can only perform against weak ODI teams like Srilanka Bangladesh Ireland Zimbabwe UAE & West Indies. Both are not big match players like Fakhar Shadab Hasan Babar & the Lion Sarfraz.

Yes Babar is a class and deserves a permanent place in ODIs & T20s. (not in tests).

 

[Usman Chadda]

While the dynamic batting factor is a concern definitely, don't forget the bowling attack is one of the best LOI outfits in the world. A decent batting line-up is more than good enough to support such a bowling attack.

 

[prop558]

While the dynamic batting factor is a concern definitely, don't forget the bowling attack is one of the best LOI outfits in the world. A decent batting line-up is more than good enough to support such a bowling attack.

West Indies once had the most deadly pace attack, but their batting order was even more devastating. Similarly Australia once has McGrath Warne Lee Gillespie but they didn't under-mined their batting.

Pak has best bowling attack (even indians acknowledge it) but we should also update our batting status, we don't need who scores 20-30-40, we need century makers, we need who can bat all along innings with 80+ strike rate, we need who can score overs 1000 runs a year, we need who score centuries against stronger teams like Australia. India, South Africa, England & New Zealand. We enough played useless cricket in UAE with weak sides like Srilanka Bangladesh Zimbabwe & West Indies.

Let's update / modernize the batting order with fresh-blooded talents, with keeping in mind to win upcoming events of ASIA CUP, T20 World Cup, ODI World Cup 2019, NZ tour, England tour, South Africa tour and ofcourse the hot-cake Australian tour in 2019-20.

 

[prop558]

While the dynamic batting factor is a concern definitely, don't forget the bowling attack is one of the best LOI outfits in the world. A decent batting line-up is more than good enough to support such a bowling attack.

Relying heavily on bowling is not enough, you can't win matches / tournaments by relying solely on your bowling. See we have bowled out opposition many times within 250 or even within 200, but still manages to loose the match as our batting line up is so much weak. Thats why need equally mighty batting order which score 300+ on regular basis, that is too against stronger teams like Australia India England NZ & South Africa.

 

[austerlitz]

Trent boult just destroyed west indies .Watch out pak batsmen.

 

[coy0607]

SAAD ALI is far more dynamic and talented than Imam & Haris.

Imam & Haris can only perform against weak ODI teams like Srilanka Bangladesh Ireland Zimbabwe UAE & West Indies. Both are not big match players like Fakhar Shadab Hasan Babar & the Lion Sarfraz.

Yes Babar is a class and deserves a permanent place in ODIs & T20s. (not in tests).

its easy to anoint someone as dynamic and great based on domestic results.

going on domestic play and stats - Sami Aslam should be one of the best batsmen Pakistan has ever produced

I do agree that Saad Ali has earned a call up, but that doesn't mean that Haris and Imam are minnow bashers who should be discarded..

 

[prop558]

Trent boult just destroyed west indies .Watch out pak batsmen.

Just don't go with Imam Hafeez Nawaz & Haris. People are over-rating these players.

Remember, NZ is not Srilanka, NZ is not Bangladesh or West Indies. Remember you are not playing in UAE.

Sarfraz should bat at higher numbers. He can open with Fakhar, he can bat at No.3, he can bat at No.4. He can bat at No.5 But he should not bat below No.5

Fakhar should not throw his wicket.

It will be a big "test" of Babar's skills as genuine batsman, playing in NZ. I hopeful about Babar as he recently scored an ODI century in Australia, the second only pakistani to do so after the Asian Bradman, Sir Zaheer Abbas.

 

[prop558]

its easy to anoint someone as dynamic and great based on domestic results.

going on domestic play and stats - Sami Aslam should be one of the best batsmen Pakistan has ever produced

I do agree that Saad Ali has earned a call up, but that doesn't mean that Haris and Imam are minnow bashers who should be discarded..

See I never said that domestic is the only way to judge the class of a player.

My point is, if a player performs brilliantly in domestic on regular basis, then he should get "chance" at International level to explore himself.

Azhar Ali got chance, performed well, now he is the regular member of national team.

Sami Aslam got chance, (which was 100% justified) but he didn't performed yet, so he must be dropped. Those youngsters who won't score big runs, should be dropped. Simple formula. Team wins through runs, not by fan following. Team need runs.

SAAD ALI is the highest runs scorer in QA Trophy, he deserve chance of 5 international ODIs / 3 Tests, if he will be failed, just drop him and bring another youngster, just keep repeating this formula.

Who ever performs should stay in the team, who ever won't perform should be dropped. Doesn't matter how big he is and how big fan following he has.

See in India, Gambhir was dropped and Dhawan got chance.

Raina was dropped Kedar Jhadev got chance

Sehwag went Rohit Sharma came in.

Team needs performance, not big names.

See we never won any big tournament in experience players like Misbah Younis Afridi Hafeez all failed in two World Cups in 2011 and 2015... But we won Champions Trophy with a team who is almost totally unknown to the world, like Fakhar Zaman, Hasan Ali, Shadab Khan, Rumman Raees, Fahim Ashraf were all unknown names to the World.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Hafeez is possibly the only batsman in our this line up who has the skills to get a 130 at over 100 strike rate. If he does well, he will be more useful than Haris, who also has a knack of getting used to the pitch for the first 20 balls, who although is a better player of pace, doesnot have the 4th attacking gear that Hafeez possesses.

 

[prop558]

Hafeez is possibly the only batsman in our this line up who has the skills to get a 130 at over 100 strike rate. If he does well, he will be more useful than Haris, who also has a knack of getting used to the pitch for the first 20 balls, who although is a better player of pace, doesnot have the 4th attacking gear that Hafeez possesses.

Funny

Telll me How many times he scored centuries outside Asia against strong opponents ?

He was useful as long as he can bowl, scoring 30-35 runs and takes 1-2 wickets, but if he can't bowl then he just can not play as full time batsman. His value is of 30-40 runs in majority of his matches (against strong opponents). See his stats, recent as well as full career stats.

 

[Rayyman]

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Shadab is much a better batsman than Imad. It was Shadab who saved 2 matches with his batting vs SL. Firstly his 50 in the 2nd ODI and then his last over heroics.

Imad is a useless railu katta.

Chal naa. Like it or not. Shadab is of no use with the bat in ODIs 99% of the time.

 

[HuzaifaE]

Chal naa. Like it or not. Shadab is of no use with the bat in ODIs 99% of the time.

Shadab has a very limited sample size but has shown more talent than Imad who just tries to paddle sweep everything like Sarfraz or hit a spinner down the ground, Shadab looks much more capable with a bat in his hand.

 

[babajee]

Chal naa. Like it or not. Shadab is of no use with the bat in ODIs 99% of the time.

If this is the case then Imad is useless 200% of the time

 

[MeanAndGreen]

Chal naa. Like it or not. Shadab is of no use with the bat in ODIs 99% of the time.

That 1% is still of greater substance than what Imad has produced in his career.

Not to mention he is an exponentially better fielder, bowler and athlete.

 

[CadPakFan]

I think this could be a good combination

1. Fakhar
2. Farhan/ Imam
3. Babar
4. Sarfraz
5. Malik
6. Haris
7. Yamin/Fahim
8. Shadab
9. Amir
10. Hasan
11. Rumman

 

[msb314]

Harris is a little more dynamic than others, can up the ante when set.

I sincerely hope Hafeez is not played in any of the games.

Faheem and Yamin in the same x1, and no Nawaz, would be much better though, with both having somewhat power game with the bat.

Sarfraz needs to bat up the order as well, a busy player who's wasted down the order.

Easy to say that Sarfraz should bat up the order but who will he replace?

Fakhar, Azhar, Babar, Malik and even Hafeez are all superior batsman to him.

He plays at 6 because that is the only position available for him. Sarfraz himself needs to adapt to the no. 6 role.

 

[msb314]

By scoring 70 against UAE ??? ... He scored 70 against UAE which helped him to become so called 3rd highest scorer for Pakistan, what was his overall number among the highest runs scorer in that World Cup ??? May be not even in TOP 10.

whole team failed in that tournament due to poor selection by PCB. Younis & Misbah weren't at all fit for ODI format. While Haris & Sohaib were also just a useless selections.

He looked good in all the games he played. Got strangled against Ashwin in the first game and was terribly unlucky against Zimbabwe playing a mistimed pull. Missed the game against SAF due to injury and was again unlucky in the Ireland game thanks to being eu out by Sarfraz. In the QF game against Aus - he was our most fluent batsman with a 43 odd before getting dismissed by playing away from the body off Starc’s bowling.

His only true failure was the duck against WI...

 

[msb314]

Seems like the CT victory has blinded the selectors a bit so they are getting a free pass now and yet again they choose a mid to early 90s type batting line-up with Fakhar Zaman being one of the only dynamic bats.

You have a slew of batsmen with pretty much similar batting styles suited to just tick the scoreboard along and I think maybe aside from the once in a lifetime fast 50 in a tournament knockout, most of them won't do much to rock the boat regularly.

Babar, Malik, Hafeez, Haris, Sarfraz, Azhar, Imam are all cut from the same cloth. Instead of building on our ODI momentum we are going to kill it.

A lot of fans have been saying for a while to let a couple of these acumularinas go, but nobody is listening.

Azhar and Hafeez simply have to go. But their CT performances will keep them latched on this WC 19, which after our CT victory I still feel we will not perform in because we refuse to change this moronic strategy.

Babar, Malik and Haris are all capable of batting at SR of 90+. Hafeez has to go but his CT final heroics will probably give him a new lease of life!

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Funny

Telll me How many times he scored centuries outside Asia against strong opponents ?

He was useful as long as he can bowl, scoring 30-35 runs and takes 1-2 wickets, but if he can't bowl then he just can not play as full time batsman. His value is of 30-40 runs in majority of his matches (against strong opponents). See his stats, recent as well as full career stats.

How many centuries has Haris scored even in Asia against weak opponents?
I am no Hafeez fan, but he can play quickly when in form unlike others. Shoaib Malik's batting against pace has regressed with time. Babar has gotten slower for some reason.

 

[UN talkz]

He looked good in all the games he played. Got strangled against Ashwin in the first game and was terribly unlucky against Zimbabwe playing a mistimed pull. Missed the game against SAF due to injury and was again unlucky in the Ireland game thanks to being eu out by Sarfraz. In the QF game against Aus - he was our most fluent batsman with a 43 odd before getting dismissed by playing away from the body off Starc’s bowling.

His only true failure was the duck against WI...

To me that was great.
Bcz after that he came back to his No. 3 position, otherwise Hafeez would have replaced him permanently at 3 had Babar scored runs at 4

 

[PakSarZameen]

Not all of them need to go.

Babar, Malik, Sarfraz can stay. Fakhar is there already. Just need Sharjeel back and a solid finisher at number 6.

Fakhar
Sharjeel (only a year left until his ban)
Babar
Sarfraz
Malik
(empty slot for a hard hitter)

 

[CricFan2012]

A lot wrong with your thread mate.

Babar is doing no wrong because he is our best accumulator and the most consistent.

And since when is Malik an accumulator? He usually plays at a 90+ strike rate.

 

[Suleiman]

A lot wrong with your thread mate.

Babar is doing no wrong because he is our best accumulator and the most consistent.

And since when is Malik an accumulator? He usually plays at a 90+ strike rate.

Nah your best accumulator is Rahane, but don't need him in ODIs.

Malik against genuine pace doesn't take a genius to figure out, outside of Asia we are for sure short on firepower in our top 6-7.

 

[daytrader]

With all these accumulators, Faheem should be coming at 6 if it means Sarfraz is demoted further down

 

[khurram39]

probably the formula for Pakistan remain the same.

Sarfraz's position and role is more debatable than anything other than him we know their batting style and role.

 

[Khan12]

Can't believe someone is advocating for mohsin over talat lol. How can this guy be even selected when he has hardly played. Plus Mir Hamza is an awful LO bowler. Test he should be given a chance. Haris and Saad ali comparsion is ridiclious (i do support saad). I have seen saad bat and he is no way near as good as haris and plus should only be given a chance in tests and he doesn't seem strong against pace.

 

[prop558]

probably the formula for Pakistan remain the same.

Sarfraz's position and role is more debatable than anything other than him we know their batting style and role.

Yes Sarfraz should come at upper numbers.

He can open,
He can bat at No.3,
He can bat at No.4,
He can bat at No.5 (at last)

But he should not bat below number 5.

I'm talking about ODIs, not Tests or T20s.

 

[prop558]

Can't believe someone is advocating for mohsin over talat lol. How can this guy be even selected when he has hardly played. Plus Mir Hamza is an awful LO bowler. Test he should be given a chance. Haris and Saad ali comparsion is ridiclious (i do support saad). I have seen saad bat and he is no way near as good as haris and plus should only be given a chance in tests and he doesn't seem strong against pace.

Well SAAD ALI scored runs, while Haris did't. Saad is the Highest Runs Scorer in Quaid e Azam Trophy 2017-18.
Rest of the debate is useless.

What reward PCB will give to the Highest Runs Scorer of its Premier Domestic Tournament ?

I have said many times, team wins through Runs, not by techniques.

Okay fine, suppose I accept your argument that Haris is great technically and Saad is duffer. Can the team wins if Haris scores 10-15 despite having best technique.

At the end, team wins by getting runs. Stop rejecting massive runs scorer because of useless debate on techniques. See Chanderpaul Lara Gilchrist... Go and search history, all these players were initially rejected by club level coaches due to "poor technique". But at the end, you have to trust the scoreboard.

 

[Rayyman]

Nah your best
<img src="http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/punch.gif" alt="punch.gif (255×143)"/> is Rahane, but don't need him in ODIs.

Malik against genuine pace doesn't take a genius to figure out, outside of Asia we are for sure short on firepower in our top 6-7.

Lmaooo put him to sleep

 

[giri26]

To be frank the Pakistan top 5 has more accumulators than free scoring players. Azhar Ali, Babar Azam and Mohammad Hafeez, all play slowly at the start. That leaves you with only Fakhar at the top of the order who can take attack to the opposition. so if NZ get Fakhar out early, Pakistan might struggle to up the run-rate.

 

[Syed1]

Will this series decide if CT victory was fluke or not?

[MENTION=57110]JibranAnsari[/MENTION]

 

[New Yorker]

Will this series decide if CT victory was fluke or not?

[MENTION=57110]JibranAnsari[/MENTION]

No, it's already been decided that it wasn't. But it may say something about the team's ability to do well in more varied conditions. Haris should be a must against a moving ball.

 

[Abdullah719]

Bring in Imam-ul-Haq?

 

[Suleiman]

Bring in Imam-ul-Haq?

It's a dream come true isn't it

 

[Abdullah719]

7 runs in 7 overs. Brilliance on display.

 

[Syed1]

8 runs off 8 overs Alhumdulilah

 

[Syed1]

8 runs off 9 overs.... Team ko aek ath player chahye hota hai johnsa hai na lambi bari karay

 

[Cric1234]

11 off 11 world records are tumbling.

 

[Cric1234]

12 off 12 overs greatness awaits

 

[Abdullah719]

Well, we made one more run than Kane Williamson. Moral victory.

 

[Suleiman]

Stop whining you guys have a pretty decent batting line up.. As long as they play without fear of losing places they can all accelerate well apart from maybe Babar and Azhar.

Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Fakhar, Harris and with fahim and Sarfaraz you have enough firepower all have proven capable of hitting big.. It just so happens that people here remember their tuk tuk performances and think they are not capable of hitting big which is not true they can play at a good strike rate just need confidence and form..

Yeah, no. Whatever firepower they all have gets extinguished as soon as they have to face someone other than Sri Lanka. That goes for 3 of the names you mentioned.

 

[big_gamer007]

Yeah, no. Whatever firepower they all have gets extinguished as soon as they have to face someone other than Sri Lanka. That goes for 3 of the names you mentioned.

Well maybe today’s loss would kick start a process of transition, you need to get rid of dead weight and give some chances to youngsters before 2019 WC.. Don’t think current team with Hafeez, Azhar, Shoaib Malik will have a chance in 2019 but who knows

 

[Pete Rose]

Yeah, no. Whatever firepower they all have gets extinguished as soon as they have to face someone other than Sri Lanka. That goes for 3 of the names you mentioned.

i mean i have a soft spot for Azhar because he works so damn hard on his game, but sadly he and these garbage seniors need to go, like, forever.

 

[MenInG]

Well, we made one more run than Kane Williamson. Moral victory.

Think in the context of things - this was huge