Afghan cricketer Rashid Khan marries for the second time in 14 months

[KingKhanWC]

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Seems a bit soon after the first one?

The 2nd wife is British, does he want citizenship? @Rajdeep an idea?

In modern times to have a 2nd wife or 3rd or 4th seems strange. Also imagine the nagging.

@LordJames If your first wife does not agree, can a Muslim still marry a second?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Afghan cricketer Rashid Khan marries for the second time in 14 months

Afghanistan star leg-spinner Rashid Khan has announced his second marriage, sharing the news through a heartfelt post on social media.

english.gujaratsamachar.com

Seems a bit soon after the first one?

The 2nd wife is British, does he want citizenship? @Rajdeep an idea?

In modern times to have a 2nd wife or 3rd or 4th seems strange. Also imagine the nagging.

@LordJames If your first wife does not agree, can a Muslim still marry a second?

Islam allows up to 4 wives. He lives in Sharia ruled country. He did not break any rules.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Islam allows up to 4 wives. He lives in Sharia ruled country. He did not break any rules.

No need for the backhanded compliment. You are a proven right wing nut so have some perspective.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Islam allows up to 4 wives. He lives in Sharia ruled country. He did not break any rules.

Even a child knows this. But if you are doing a course on Islamic family law, please explain the conditions of having more than 1 wife (without google shake).?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Even a child knows this. But if you are doing a course on Islamic family law, please explain the conditions of having more than 1 wife (without google shake).?

Whatever I posted, I did it without googling. I am sure he consulted a nice Afghan Moulvi before marrying her.

 

[Champ_Pal]

No need for the backhanded compliment. You are a proven right wing nut so have some perspective.

It was not a compliment. KKWC said it was strange to see him marry 2nd time in 1 year time. I posted there is nothing wrong in what he did. Its his life and the lady seems to be okay with it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Whatever I posted, I did it without googling. I am sure he consulted a nice Afghan Moulvi before marrying her.

Sure but there are numerous conditions not just consulting the local Molvi.

Rashid Khan or his life is of no interest to me. The topic is general of having multiple wives, benefits, issues, laws etc.

Not for you, just in general.

I find it interesting his second wife is British . In the UK you are not allowed to have more than one wife/husband afaik. So will he move to UK and leave wifey no 1 back home to take care of the village home?

 

[Suleiman]

#goals. Every man deserves the love(s) of his life. Allah humma barik to brother Rashid

 

[Champ_Pal]

Sure but there are numerous conditions not just consulting the local Molvi.

Rashid Khan or his life is of no interest to me. The topic is general of having multiple wives, benefits, issues, laws etc.

Not for you, just in general.

I find it interesting his second wife is British . In the UK you are not allowed to have more than one wife/husband afaik. So will he move to UK and leave wifey no 1 back home to take care of the village home?

I am sure he has planned out his retirement. He is a multi millionaire and can settle anywhere he wants. He can move to Dubai and live like a king.

 

[KingKhanWC]

#goals. Every man deserves the love(s) of his life. Allah humma barik to brother Rashid

He must have some game! Poor Mikel Arteta has had 5 years and £1b but cant even win the league cup, this bloke gets another wife in 14 months!

 

[Josh]

I think last year was the engagement. Wasn't it?

 

[Major]

Its funny watching the Indians defend this.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am sure he has planned out his retirement. He is a multi millionaire and can settle anywhere he wants. He can move to Dubai and live like a king.

Even millionaires would choose a British passport over some Golden Dubai visa but its possible.

I think last year was the engagement. Wasn't it?

I didnt realise Afghans do engagements? This is not Islamic but something taken from Hindus from what I know? I have little knowledge on this subject.

 

[JaDed]

Polygamy in this day and age , can’t expect any better from age cheats.

 

[JaDed]

I remember when Pak posters defended Taliban 2.0 being better for women and pasted articles, insane.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Congratulations to him.
As long as the first wife is happy, consenting, and well cared for, there’s really no issue with it.

The practice of having multiple wives is prevalent since the stone age and was once common across nearly all cultures including Hinduism. It’s just that Islam as a culture has remained largely primitive and patriarchal that this practice is still prevalent whereas most other societies evolved through socio-economic reforms making polygamy less practical and far less convenient for most men.

Many Hindu kings had multiple wives, the Sikh Maharaja of Patiala famously had hundreds. Even up until India’s independence, it wasn’t unusual for ordinary Hindu men to have two wives, particularly those who migrated from villages to larger cities. Often, the first wife remained in the village (married at a very young age), while the man took a second wife in the city. In fact, both of my grandfathers, on my father’s and mother’s side, had two wives each. The city wives were treated by both as their primary partner, while the earlier marriages became just symbolic over time.

Dharmendra famously married Hema Malininwhile he was still married. Raj Babbar married Smita Patil while he was still married. Bony Kapoor married Sridevi in a similar manner.


Non-Muslim men often make a big deal about Muslims being allowed up to four wives, but realistically, managing even two is difficult unless one has significant means. Usually it’s the very rich or the extremely poor who do it as both do not give a damn. For the middle class men, who are constrained by financial resources and morality, this is often not practically possible.

That’s precisely why non-Muslim men innovated the idea of the extramarital affair, a way to enjoy multiple romantic relationships without the formal responsibilities or social scrutiny that come with marriage.

And in recent years, we’ve seen a modern evolution of that concept, the “work husband/work wife wherein people form romantic relationships in high stress work environments.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Polygamy in this day and age , can’t expect any better from age cheats.

How old is she?

 

[JaDed]

Congratulations to him.
As long as the first wife is happy, consenting, and well cared for, there’s really no issue with it.

The practice of having multiple wives is prevalent since the stone age and was once common across nearly all cultures including Hinduism. It’s just that Islam as a culture has remained largely primitive and patriarchal that this practice is still prevalent whereas most other societies evolved through socio-economic reforms making polygamy less practical and far less convenient for most men.

Many Hindu kings had multiple wives, the Sikh Maharaja of Patiala famously had hundreds. Even up until India’s independence, it wasn’t unusual for ordinary Hindu men to have two wives, particularly those who migrated from villages to larger cities. Often, the first wife remained in the village (married at a very young age), while the man took a second wife in the city. In fact, both of my grandfathers, on my father’s and mother’s side, had two wives each. The city wives were treated by both as their primary partner, while the earlier marriages became just symbolic over time.

Dharmendra famously married Hema Malininwhile he was still married. Raj Babbar married Smita Patil while he was still married. Bony Kapoor married Sridevi in a similar manner.


Non-Muslim men often make a big deal about Muslims being allowed up to four wives, but realistically, managing even two is difficult unless one has significant means. Usually it’s the very rich or the extremely poor who do it as both do not give a damn. For the middle class men, who are constrained by financial resources and morality, this is often not practically possible.

That’s precisely why non-Muslim men innovated the idea of the extramarital affair, a way to enjoy multiple romantic relationships without the formal responsibilities or social scrutiny that come with marriage.

And in recent years, we’ve seen a modern evolution of that concept, the “work husband/work wife wherein people form romantic relationships in high stress work environments.

There is a lot of issue with it, Bollywood is not an example to follow at all, Twinkle and Kajol have been ripped apart by everyone for their regressive thoughts on their show.

No one knows whether she has a choice, and even if she has a choice it is an issue as the society cannot progress, all the modern tech being used is given by societies with progressive culture, utter trash behaviour by Rashid.

 

[JaDed]

How old is she?

What?

 

[Stewie]

Polygamy in this day and age , can’t expect any better from age cheats.

Well, I am not at all in favor of multiple wives, and I am playing the Devils advocate here when I say this: isnt this still better than having a rich resourceful powerful man cheating around on his wife with multiple women?

If you think about it, in the west with all its rules and laws and regulations, men have indulged in this. Bill Clinton, Schwarzennegger, Trump, all those epstein/weinstein friends, Combs, etc.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Congratulations to him.
As long as the first wife is happy, consenting, and well cared for, there’s really no issue with it.

The practice of having multiple wives is prevalent since the stone age and was once common across nearly all cultures including Hinduism. It’s just that Islam as a culture has remained largely primitive and patriarchal that this practice is still prevalent whereas most other societies evolved through socio-economic reforms making polygamy less practical and far less convenient for most men.

Many Hindu kings had multiple wives, the Sikh Maharaja of Patiala famously had hundreds. Even up until India’s independence, it wasn’t unusual for ordinary Hindu men to have two wives, particularly those who migrated from villages to larger cities. Often, the first wife remained in the village (married at a very young age), while the man took a second wife in the city. In fact, both of my grandfathers, on my father’s and mother’s side, had two wives each. The city wives were treated by both as their primary partner, while the earlier marriages became just symbolic over time.

Dharmendra famously married Hema Malininwhile he was still married. Raj Babbar married Smita Patil while he was still married. Bony Kapoor married Sridevi in a similar manner.


Non-Muslim men often make a big deal about Muslims being allowed up to four wives, but realistically, managing even two is difficult unless one has significant means. Usually it’s the very rich or the extremely poor who do it as both do not give a damn. For the middle class men, who are constrained by financial resources and morality, this is often not practically possible.

That’s precisely why non-Muslim men innovated the idea of the extramarital affair, a way to enjoy multiple romantic relationships without the formal responsibilities or social scrutiny that come with marriage.

And in recent years, we’ve seen a modern evolution of that concept, the “work husband/work wife wherein people form romantic relationships in high stress work environments.

Why is having more than one wife primitive? Do you also believe having multiple physical partners is also primitive or do you feel its progressive?

 

[Bhaijaan]

All the modern tech being used is given by societies with progressive culture

It’s societies who have been secure and independent for the longest time.

It’s got nothing to do with polygamy or patriarchy.

 

[JaDed]

It’s societies who have been secure and independent for the longest time.

It’s got nothing to do with polygamy or patriarchy.

Then let us know which society that promotes polygamy has achieved modern innovation/industrialisation?

 

[HalBass9]

Having more than one wife is not a privilege, it’s a tremendous responsibility. If one truly understood the depth of Islamic guidance on it, they would realize it’s a burden few can justly carry.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Having more than one wife is not a privilege, it’s a tremendous responsibility. If one truly understood the depth of Islamic guidance on it, they would realize it’s a burden few can justly carry.

You are looking at it with a modernist lens.

Back in the days of early until relatively modern era it was quite common.

Could those men carry burden better than the modern man of today?

It's unlikely.

 

[Suleiman]

There is a lot of issue with it, Bollywood is not an example to follow at all, Twinkle and Kajol have been ripped apart by everyone for their regressive thoughts on their show.

No one knows whether she has a choice, and even if she has a choice it is an issue as the society cannot progress, all the modern tech being used is given by societies with progressive culture, utter trash behaviour by Rashid.

Same societies that are ruing the loss of traditional family values, struggling with single parent homes and a slew of psychological issues for kids being raised by single moms or single dads, which many times is the dad dodging financial responsibility or outright cheating- both pitfalls with failsafes and strict enforcing in Islam . Same societies dealing with infedility at unprecedented rates compared to the past with men having mistresses, side girlfriends etc.

In the Islamic way men take full responsibility and accountability for all of their marriages, physically, emotionally and financially- Islam is strict on all those fronts to the point that if a man cannot fulfill those obligations than he should not marry more than 1.

Can’t guilt trip Muslims based on whatever societal rule is todays trend which will change in a few decades anyway- esp the western lens where every other marriage is on the verge of collapse due to infedility which is punishable in Islam.

Just because society is progressing regarding tech doesn’t mean it’s not regressing in other ways

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why is having more than one wife primitive? Do you also believe having multiple physical partners is also primitive or do you feel its progressive?

It is different perspective. Man with multiple wives was seen as virile and powerful in some cultures.

However other culture like Hindus see it is as primitive. They're idea of a better human is a man who doesn't marry and controls his urges and abandons worldly desire.

 

[HalBass9]

You are looking at it with a modernist lens.

Back in the days of early until relatively modern era it was quite common.

Could those men carry burden better than the modern man of today?

It's unlikely.

True. The early generations understood the weight of that responsibility and had the discipline, intention, and societal framework to uphold it. Modern life just doesn’t nurture that same balance or strength of character.

 

[Ball Blazer]

To all those questioning Islam:

Islam permits more than one wife only in case you put all of them on the same page in terms of love, care, finance, etc. It encourages one marriage if you cannot do justice. Also, this is not obligatory.

It never permitted men to have more than one wife to justify their lustful and extramarital affairs - Just like we see today, Muslim/non-Muslim men hanging out with colleagues, they claim as 'just friends' and later on marry them, leaving the first wife shattered.

In Islamic marriage contract, there is always a condition (shart) that the girl can put (whether or not the man can marry another girl while being married to her). If a man breaches this condition, the woman has her religious right to withdraw from that marriage (Khula) since the contract is breached and becomes void.

The main purpose of permitting more than one marriage in Islam was to support widows/underprivileged women, but many men, in today's world, misuse this right and remarry 'a good-looking' young wife - all lust!

Prophet Muhammad spent his peak young years with one wife, Khadija, and only married after her death, that too in very later stages of his life (to teach his followers different lessons)

Prophet Muhammad, in his daughter Fatima's marriage contract (Nikahnaama) with Ali ibn e Talib, mentioned one condition that Ali won't remarry till Fatima's death.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It is different perspective. Man with multiple wives was seen as virile and powerful in some cultures.

However other culture like Hindus see it is as primitive. They're idea of a better human is a man who doesn't marry and controls his urges and abandons worldly desire.

I find this very strange DV. Surely its no desire but a natural course for us mammals? On the contrary I think its very dangerous when people abandon this natural relationship of life. I've met a few unhappy men who are married but I've never met anyone happy who is some sort of monk alone.

 

[LordJames]

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Seems a bit soon after the first one?

The 2nd wife is British, does he want citizenship? @Rajdeep an idea?

In modern times to have a 2nd wife or 3rd or 4th seems strange. Also imagine the nagging.

@LordJames If your first wife does not agree, can a Muslim still marry a second?

Technically, permission of the first wife is not a requirement to marry a second wife but practically it will never turn it well.

I don't know the details but British law expressly forbids bigamy so I am not sure where he married a British citizen and under what kind of ceremony but I guess its his personal life and he is free to do what he wants...

 

[Bhaijaan]

It is different perspective. Man with multiple wives was seen as virile and powerful in some cultures.

However other culture like Hindus see it is as primitive. They're idea of a better human is a man who doesn't marry and controls his urges and abandons worldly desire.

What you are referring to his Brahminist philosophy. Polygamy existed in the early Hindu scriptures in mostly the Kshatriyas and nobels. Brahmins being obsessed with creating the perfect society and way of life later on discouraged polygamy by injecting the idea of Brahmacharya in Hinduism emphasizing more on renunciation from worldly pleasures rather than control and power. Control over sexual urges came to be seen as a sign of extreme spiritual awakening. It was the arguably the need of the hour as Brahmins saw a changing world from the times of Satyug when polygamous men could conjure celestial weapons to the times of Kalyug when man could barely put his own god given weapon to good use.

King Dashratha, the father to Lord Ram had 3 wives. Ramayana’s primary story itself stems from one of the wives asking Dashratha to give the kingdom to her son Bharat, rather than the elder son Ram from his first wife, sending him on a 14 years exile from the kingdom, a journey in which he became the God he is celebrated as today.

In the modern times, one can see how Modi and Yogi are seen as ideal men, both of whom practice Brahmacharya. The Hindu looks at self control as the more admirable quality than virility.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I find this very strange DV. Surely its no desire but a natural course for us mammals? On the contrary I think its very dangerous when people abandon this natural relationship of life. I've met a few unhappy men who are married but I've never met anyone happy who is some sort of monk alone.

Look at their PM bro.

He abandoned his wife after one day and rose up to turn the country into 4th biggest economy.

 

[Rajdeep]

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Seems a bit soon after the first one?

The 2nd wife is British, does he want citizenship? @Rajdeep an idea?

In modern times to have a 2nd wife or 3rd or 4th seems strange. Also imagine the nagging.

@LordJames If your first wife does not agree, can a Muslim still marry a second?

Difficult to find a British wife bro. Remember, I am an Indian man

 

[KingKhanWC]

Technically, permission of the first wife is not a requirement to marry a second wife but practically it will never turn it well.

I don't know the details but British law expressly forbids bigamy so I am not sure where he married a British citizen and under what kind of ceremony but I guess its his personal life and he is free to do what he wants...

One of my friends dad married another women and live in the UK. Must be some secret or the law didnt exist in the 70's lol.

Is this ok too, looks strange.

Kuwait man married 4 women because of revenge on ex-wife

The groom decided to have a huge wedding and spent over $27,000 for a honeymoon...

news.am

 

[KingKhanWC]

Difficult to find a British wife bro. Remember, I am an Indian man

At least you're trying lol.

In all seriousness British native ladies or European in general are far more open to marry another ethnicity comparted to a Pakistani or Indian woman.

I know you're not practising religious person but in Hinduism can a man marry more than one or a woman too? You may find 4 British wives one day!

 

[LordJames]

One of my friends dad married another women and live in the UK. Must be some secret or the law didnt exist in the 70's lol.

Is this ok too, looks strange.

Kuwait man married 4 women because of revenge on ex-wife

The groom decided to have a huge wedding and spent over $27,000 for a honeymoon...

news.am

Many Brothers in UK and US have multiple wives, I do too, its very common.

I don't know anything about Rashid Khan but you implied that he is still married to 1st one so not sure if a public figure can do this openly and clearly in UK.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Great post bro. I never knew this, will have to dig deep as to the reasons why the Prophet (pbuh) insisted on this.

Because women are weak when it comes to emotions.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Many Brothers in UK and US have multiple wives, I do too, its very common.

I don't know anything about Rashid Khan but you implied that he is still married to 1st one so not sure if a public figure can do this openly and clearly in UK.

I don't know about UK but in US it is not "very common". Among the elite class it is usually frowned upon.

 

[LordJames]

I don't know about UK but in US it is not "very common". Among the elite class it is usually frowned upon.

Elite class of who? What are you talking about?

 

[Bhaijaan]

I find this very strange DV. Surely its no desire but a natural course for us mammals? On the contrary I think its very dangerous when people abandon this natural relationship of life. I've met a few unhappy men who are married but I've never met anyone happy who is some sort of monk alone.

Happiness and contentment are not the same. Brahminist philosophy doesn’t strive for happiness, but for lasting contentment.

Happiness is like a sugar rush, it feels good for a moment, but once it fades, you’re left craving it again. True contentment on the other hand is self-sustaining. It doesn’t depend on constant stimulation or external rewards. It is a quiet steadiness of the soul.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Elite class of who? What are you talking about?

American Pakistanis and American Muslims in general.

 

[LordJames]

American Pakistanis and American Muslims in general.

So American Pakistani and American Muslims are ELITE are who are against Polygamy? What a strange definition of "Elite"!

So who is "non-Elite" then?

I know dozens of Pakistani and non-Pakistani American Muslims who have multiple wives, won't give names because it is their privacy but you don't know what you are talking about at all.

Its very common among American Muslims, less common among Pakistani Muslims if that's what you are trying to say.​

 

[KingKhanWC]

Happiness and contentment are not the same. Brahminist philosophy doesn’t strive for happiness, but for lasting contentment.

Happiness is like a sugar rush, it feels good for a moment, but once it fades, you’re left craving it again. True contentment on the other hand is self-sustaining. It doesn’t depend on constant stimulation or external rewards. It is a quiet steadiness of the soul.

What happened to you bro? Years ago you were always telling us you're some kind of Romeo in India. Recently you've turned into a monk.

Imo its impossible for a mans soul to be at peace or content if he deliberately stays away from a relationship/marriage with a female. If they do, it has to be some sort of mental issue. I dont mean to be rude, this is my view regardless of their religion

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

So American Pakistani and American Muslims are ELITE are who are against Polygamy? What a strange definition of "Elite"!

So who is "non-Elite" then?

I know dozens of Pakistani and non-Pakistani American Muslims who have multiple wives, won't give names because it is their privacy but you don't know what you are talking about at all.

Its very common among American Muslims, less common among Pakistani Muslims if that's what you are trying to say.​

That's not what I said at all. You are twisting my words. As a Muslim yourself, you should abstain from misquoting me. I did not say being against Polygamy makes you elite. I noted that the elite class of Pakistanis/Muslims in American does not really encourage having more than one. Elite = rich/educated etc. I am less aware and do not hang around much with the lower strata with due respect so perhaps you may have more insights there.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

What happened to you bro? Years ago you were always telling us you're some kind of Romeo in India. Recently you've turned into a monk.

Imo its impossible for a mans soul to be at peace or content if he deliberately stays away from a relationship/marriage with a female. If they do, it has to be some sort of mental issue. I dont mean to be rude, this is my view regardless of their religion

@Bhaijaan is a Romeo and @Devadwal is Juliet

 

[LordJames]

That's not what I said at all. You are twisting my words. As a Muslim yourself, you should abstain from misquoting me. I did not saying being against Polygamy makes you elite. I noted that the elite class of Pakistanis/Muslims in American does not really encourage having more than one. Elite = rich/educated etc. I am less aware and do not hang around much with the lower strata with due respect so perhaps you may have more insights there.

1. Who is "Elite"?
2. Who is "Non-Elite"?
3. How do you know my "Social Status", "Income band" and which strata I hang out with? Do you know me?

What is the basis of your definition and give examples?

Thanks

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

1. Who is "Elite"?
2. Who is "Non-Elite"?
3. How do you know my "Social Status", "Income band" and which strata I hang out with? Do you know me?

What is the basis of your definition and give examples?

Thanks

I do not know you at all. Hence why I said "If". And btw there is nothing wrong with belonging to a lower social/economic class. I spoke from my personal experience. If you disagree that is fine.

 

[LordJames]

I do not know you at all. Hence why I said "If". And btw there is nothing wrong with belonging to a lower social/economic class. I spoke from my personal experience. If you disagree that is fine.

• Who is "Elite"?
• Who is "Non-Elite"?

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

• Who is "Elite"?
• Who is "Non-Elite"?

Elite = Rich and Well Educated.

 

[LordJames]

Elite = Rich and Well Educated.

Define those.

Income level, education level

Please

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Define those.

Income level, education level

Please

Would say household income of $200k USD per year as the starting point. Could be a bit more or less. Education at least a Bachelor's degree.

 

[Bhaijaan]

What happened to you bro? Years ago you were always telling us you're some kind of Romeo in India. Recently you've turned into a monk.

Imo its impossible for a mans soul to be at peace or content if he deliberately stays away from a relationship/marriage with a female. If they do, it has to be some sort of mental issue. I dont mean to be rude, this is my view regardless of their religion

I didn’t claim to be a monk. Unfortunately I am blessed with the gift of having a charming spell on women.

I believe it has something to do with the great ancient sage Vishwamitra, whose lineage I belong to. Vishwamitra was the most gifted sage of his time. He was born a Kshatriya king but later due to some extra ordinary events in his life, attained Brahminhood through extreme meditation, giving him so much power that Lord Indra felt intimidated and had to send the most beautiful celestial nymphs from the heavens to break his meditation. One of them, Menaka succeeded and their union created a son after whose name my country is named, “Bharat”.

 

[LordJames]

Would say household income of $200k USD per year as the starting point. Could be a bit more or less. Education at least a Bachelor's degree.

Pakistani American Data:

1. Median annual income of Pakistani-headed households was $108,100 in 2023
2. 59% of Pakistani Americans ages 25 and older have a bachelor’s

So according to your definition majority of Pakistani Americans are "Non-Elite"? Would you accept that based on your own criteria?

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Pakistani American Data:

1. Median annual income of Pakistani-headed households was $108,100 in 2023
2. 59% of Pakistani Americans ages 25 and older have a bachelor’s

So according to your definition majority of Pakistani Americans are "Non-Elite"? Would you accept that based on your own criteria?

By very definition of the word Elite, majority of the population isn't elite. Term is quite self explanatory.

 

[RexRex]

I've lost a bit of respect for Rashid Khan. Marriage should always be 1 man and 1 woman.

I wonder how UK law will treat a man with mutiple spouses ?

 

[Champ_Pal]

I've lost a bit of respect for Rashid Khan. Marriage should always be 1 man and 1 woman.

I wonder how UK law will treat a man with mutiple spouses ?

May be he will divorce his first wife if he is looking to settle in England or he will simply move to Dubai which accepts multiple wives.

 

[LordJames]

By very definition of the word Elite, majority of the population isn't elite. Term is quite self explanatory.

So you want to apply the likes/dislikes of a specific group which is in your mind to practices of Muslims in America? So if the "Elite" are not praying 5 times a day it somehow should be factored in when looking at Islamic rules and regulations?

Btw, I can give 10 names without thinking of Pakistan American Muslims:

1. Multiple postgraduate degrees (beyond Bachelors)
2. Incomes of 250,000 USD+ (although this absurd because it is related to where someone lives e.g. someone will earn significantly more in SF then Baton Rogue lets say)

who have multiple wives.

I accept that polygamy is less common in Pakistani Muslims then other ethnicities.

 

[JaDed]

Same societies that are ruing the loss of traditional family values, struggling with single parent homes and a slew of psychological issues for kids being raised by single moms or single dads, which many times is the dad dodging financial responsibility or outright cheating- both pitfalls with failsafes and strict enforcing in Islam . Same societies dealing with infedility at unprecedented rates compared to the past with men having mistresses, side girlfriends etc.

In the Islamic way men take full responsibility and accountability for all of their marriages, physically, emotionally and financially- Islam is strict on all those fronts to the point that if a man cannot fulfill those obligations than he should not marry more than 1.

Can’t guilt trip Muslims based on whatever societal rule is todays trend which will change in a few decades anyway- esp the western lens where every other marriage is on the verge of collapse due to infedility which is punishable in Islam.

Just because society is progressing regarding tech doesn’t mean it’s not regressing in other ways

You can easily choose to not accept their tech innovations and progress.

Family values based on sacrifice of women whose mental health doesn’t get talked about, taken a martyr is not great for any society.

And what family values? Are you saying family values and value of human life is better in Desi and Middle east countries?

All religions use the innovation of the progressive societies to spread their patriarchal propaganda, there is a reason why its majority times Men on the tv spreading religion.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

So you want to apply the likes/dislikes of a specific group which is in your mind to practices of Muslims in America? So if the "Elite" are not praying 5 times a day it somehow should be factored in when looking at Islamic rules and regulations?

Btw, I can give 10 names without thinking of Pakistan American Muslims:

1. Multiple postgraduate degrees (beyond Bachelors)
2. Incomes of 250,000 USD+ (although this absurd because it is related to where someone lives e.g. someone will earn significantly more in SF then Baton Rogue lets say)

who have multiple wives.

I accept that polygamy is less common in Pakistani Muslims then other ethnicities.

I don't want to apply anything. You are getting worked up for no reason my brother. I made an observation that is all and I stand by it. In the elite class it is not common in US. If you say many or most do it then I suppose the majority of the people you speak of are working class and definitely not elite. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

[JaDed]

Prophet Muhammad, in his daughter Fatima's marriage contract (Nikahnaama) with Ali ibn e Talib, mentioned one condition that Ali won't remarry till Fatima's death.

If this is true , this could had easily been propagated by religious scholars and should be even now, religion helps spiritually maybe but it doesn’t take away its regressive and patriarchal aspect.

 

[Suleiman]

You can easily choose to not accept their tech innovations and progress.

Family values based on sacrifice of women whose mental health doesn’t get talked about, taken a martyr is not great for any society.

And what family values? Are you saying family values and value of human life is better in Desi and Middle east countries?

All religions use the innovation of the progressive societies to spread their patriarchal propaganda, there is a reason why its majority times Men on the tv spreading religion.

“Progressive” societies invade these middle eastern countries and siphon them of oil and other natural resources whenever they’d like, but Muslims who are following their faith have to give up the tech advances made by these so called progressive societies which many times are using basis of physics, chemistry and mathematics innovated by Muslim scientists and mathematicians of their golden age? Over what? Having the option to have more than 1 wife?

Look up how the traditional family system is falling apart in many a western countries and western sociologists and psychologists are highly concerned about this trend- these are the societies we should base our marital ideals on?

There are elites in these tech advancing sectors that you brought up with multiple gfs and mistresses, how are you ok with that but with the Islamic ideal where you’re told not to get more than 1 wife unless and until you can be equally just amongst them all in every way including financially. In the west you can use a girl on the side outside of your marriage as a plaything and ditch her as you’d like. So why on earth should we use them as a measuring stick for our morals?

 

[LordJames]

I don't want to apply anything. You are getting worked up for no reason my brother. I made an observation that is all and I stand by it. In the elite class it is not common in US. If you say many or most do it then I suppose the majority of the people you speak of are working class and definitely not elite. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

1. Your arbitrary criteria of "Elite" is a figment of your imagination and even then it has no basis on rules of Islam. Some others may far exceed your criteria so they can start "Elite" from to exclude others. Your thinking alone tells me that you don't anything about American society at all. You have brought this garbage over from wherever you grew up as this is not American, nobody in America gives a damn about "Elite vs Non-Elite", even the ones who are "Elite (to your definition)"
2. But lets go with your arbitrary criteria, I can name you 10 Pakistani Muslims who exceed your criteria and have multiple wives

 

[JaDed]

“Progressive” societies invade these middle eastern countries and siphon them of oil and other natural resources whenever they’d like, but Muslims who are following their faith have to give up the tech advances made by these so called progressive societies which many times are using basis of physics, chemistry and mathematics innovated my Muslim scientists and mathematicians of their golden age? Over what? Having the option to have more than 1 wife?

Look up how the traditional family system is falling apart in many a western countries and western sociologists and psychologists are highly concerned about this trend- these are the societies we should base our marital ideals on?

- Psychologists, sociologists are concerned and talking about the issues unlike the religious folks(any religion) who think everything is good and there is not an issue, ability to criticise your current society is hallmark of a good one.

- Progressive societies are made up of all kind of folks and yes their wars are wrong but they are open to protests , discourse, and they will never remember the religious wars as something holy(crusades or anything).

-Progressive societies are still innovating, here if it makes it better just because Arya Bhatta invented 0, so many old hindu-vedic folks were awesome at surgery, mathematics etc doesn’t mean India overall is regressive, so is middle east, I’m glad polygamy for Hindus was banned in 1955, heck it should had been abolished for everyone.

- Religions and traditions are built on women sacrificing her mental health, it’s the same even in US with conservative folks.

 

[RexRex]

May be he will divorce his first wife if he is looking to settle in England or he will simply move to Dubai which accepts multiple wives.

He lives in Dubai right now iirc. He left Afghanistan a long time ago.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I didn’t claim to be a monk. Unfortunately I am blessed with the gift of having a charming spell on women.

I believe it has something to do with the great ancient sage Vishwamitra, whose lineage I belong to. Vishwamitra was the most gifted sage of his time. He was born a Kshatriya king but later due to some extra ordinary events in his life, attained Brahminhood through extreme meditation, giving him so much power that Lord Indra felt intimidated and had to send the most beautiful celestial nymphs from the heavens to break his meditation. One of them, Menaka succeeded and their union created a son after whose name my country is named, “Bharat”.

Interesting. I thought he would have been punished for breaking his meditation but I guess it was a reward of some sort.

I hope your charming spell works on her but maybe you should forget marriage and go straight to the father and ask her hand in marriage? Make sure you send me an invite too!

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't want to apply anything. You are getting worked up for no reason my brother. I made an observation that is all and I stand by it. In the elite class it is not common in US. If you say many or most do it then I suppose the majority of the people you speak of are working class and definitely not elite. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Doesnt Shabaz Sharif have 2 wives? Last I read he's been married multiple times before too.

 

[LordJames]

- Psychologists, sociologists are concerned and talking about the issues unlike the religious folks(any religion) who think everything is good and there is not an issue, ability to criticise your current society is hallmark of a good one.

- Progressive societies are made up of all kind of folks and yes their wars are wrong but they are open to protests , discourse.

-Progressive societies are still innovating, here if it makes it better just because Arya Bhatta invented 0, so many old hindu-vedic folks were awesome at surgery, mathematics etc doesn’t mean India overall is regressive, so is middle east, I’m glad polygamy for Hindus was banned in 1955, heck it should had been abolished for everyone.

- Religions and traditions are built on women sacrificing her mental health, it’s the same even in US with conservative folks.

How Propaganda works?

1. Define "Progressive" in a specific manner
2. Exclude a specific ideology or people who follow that ideology based on the definition in a wrapper
3. Appear intellectual instead of racist, xenophobic and closed minded due to step 1.

Let me repeat again, Hinduism has no basis, no principles, no ideology and changes with time and if bestiality becomes an acceptable practice then Hinduism will adopt it.


Example: Terrorism

1. Define "Terrorism" and link it with Islam

Results:

1. Nadhuram Godse who killed and clearly mentioned Hinduism and reasons for safeguarding it in his manifesto is not a Terrorist
2. Anders Behring Breivik who also killed and clearly mentioned Christianity is also not a Terrorist
3. Anyone who mentions Islam whether he is successful in killing or not is a Terrorist

 

[JaDed]

Interesting. I thought he would have been punished for breaking his meditation but I guess it was a reward of some sort.

I hope your charming spell works on her but maybe you should forget marriage and go straight to the father and ask her hand in marriage? Make sure you send me an invite too!

@Bhaijaan what nonsense, their child was Shakuntala and after this Menaka goes back to heavens and Vishwamitra doesn’t achieve his purpose.

Shakuntala’s and Dushyant’s son is Bharat. Terrible short story of yours but incorrect regardless

 

[JaDed]

How Propaganda works?

1. Define "Progressive" in a specific manner
2. Exclude a specific ideology or people who follow that ideology based on the definition in a wrapper
3. Appear intellectual instead of racist, xenophobic and closed minded due to step 1.

Let me repeat again, Hinduism has no basis, no principles, no ideology and changes with time and if bestiality becomes an acceptable practice then Hinduism will adopt it.


Example: Terrorism

1. Define "Terrorism" and link it with Islam

Results:

1. Nadhuram Godse who killed and clearly mentioned Hinduism and reasons for safeguarding it in his manifesto is not a Terrorist
2. Anders Behring Breivik who also killed and clearly mentioned Christianity is also not a Terrorist
3. Anyone who mentions Islam whether he is successful in killing or not is a Terrorist

First and foremost, Nathuram Godse might have mentioned Hinduism but ur proof is only his brother’s words.

Heck why go that far , I think Pragya Sadhvi is a terrorist and she uses Hinduism to her benefit.

My post has nothing to do with Islam, it’s with religion culture dogma, everything that i think doesn’t allow society to progress when allowed to propagate without a dialogue.

The above is why progressive societies are better where they are able to question themselves and their behavior, direction having a discourse..

 

[Bhaijaan]

Interesting. I thought he would have been punished for breaking his meditation but I guess it was a reward of some sort.

I hope your charming spell works on her but maybe you should forget marriage and go straight to the father and ask her hand in marriage? Make sure you send me an invite too!

True punishment is lost opportunity. His punishment was internal as he lost all his spiritual progress. But he did redeem himself by taking it to another level. I mean his meditation not what you might be thinking.

 

[Bhaijaan]

@Bhaijaan what nonsense, their child was Shakuntala and after this Menaka goes back to heavens and Vishwamitra doesn’t achieve his purpose.

Shakuntala’s and Dushyant’s son is Bharat. Terrible short story of yours but incorrect regardless

Pardon i don’t remember every story exactly as it is. Yes it was his Grandson through Shakuntala.

 

[LordJames]

First and foremost, Nathuram Godse might have mentioned Hinduism but ur proof is only his brother’s words.

Heck why go that far , I think Pragya Sadhvi is a terrorist and she uses Hinduism to her benefit.

My post has nothing to do with Islam, it’s with religion culture dogma, everything that i think doesn’t allow society to progress when allowed to propagate without a dialogue.

The above is why progressive societies are better where they are able to question themselves and their behavior, direction having a discourse..

Nathuram Godse testified in court ( 5 May 1949, Punjab High Court, Peterhoff, Simia, India) and the court documents are official records and it states:

WHY I KILLED GANDHI

Born in a devotional Brahmin family, I instinctively came to revere Hindu religion, Hindu history and Hindu culture. I had, therefore, been intensely proud of Hinduism as a whole. As I grew up I developed a tendency to free thinking unfettered by any superstitious allegiance to any isms, political or religious. That is why I worked actively for the eradication of untouchability and the caste system based on birth alone. I openly joined RSS wing of anti-caste movements and maintained that all Hindus were of equal status as to rights, social and religious and should be considered high or low on merit alone and not through the accident of birth in a particular caste or profession.
​

This is what I have read so I wasn't relying on brothers words etc.

Thanks

​

 

[The_KING]

Just because Islam allows a man to marry up to 4 wives, it doesn't mean you have to. Too many men abuse the right that has been given to them in order to fulfil their sexual desires. Frankly speaking, I don't respect men in this day and age who have multiple wives.

 

[JaDed]

Nathuram Godse testified in court ( 5 May 1949, Punjab High Court, Peterhoff, Simia, India) and the court documents are official records and it states:

WHY I KILLED GANDHI

Born in a devotional Brahmin family, I instinctively came to revere Hindu religion, Hindu history and Hindu culture. I had, therefore, been intensely proud of Hinduism as a whole. As I grew up I developed a tendency to free thinking unfettered by any superstitious allegiance to any isms, political or religious. That is why I worked actively for the eradication of untouchability and the caste system based on birth alone. I openly joined RSS wing of anti-caste movements and maintained that all Hindus were of equal status as to rights, social and religious and should be considered high or low on merit alone and not through the accident of birth in a particular caste or profession.
​

This is what I have read so I wasn't relying on brothers words etc.

Thanks

​

That’s not official also that pic in that article is from a play.. all those are his brothers words.

 

[LordJames]

That’s not official also that pic in that article is from a play.. all those are his brothers words.

@JaDed

I have always treated you as a decent person but I don't understand incessant bias in defending Hinduism when clear facts are available and his testimony is easily available in India before and clearly after 2017.

1. 1969: Kapur Commission Report
2. 2017: The Central Information Commission (CIC) directed the NAI to proactively disclose Godse's statement

I didn't even look at the picture, are you denying that his clear words from his own mouth clearly reference Hinduism and are part of official Indian court records?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bro this is soooo weird. I thought Rashid was somewhat normal

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

1. Your arbitrary criteria of "Elite" is a figment of your imagination and even then it has no basis on rules of Islam. Some others may far exceed your criteria so they can start "Elite" from to exclude others. Your thinking alone tells me that you don't anything about American society at all. You have brought this garbage over from wherever you grew up as this is not American, nobody in America gives a damn about "Elite vs Non-Elite", even the ones who are "Elite (to your definition)"
2. But lets go with your arbitrary criteria, I can name you 10 Pakistani Muslims who exceed your criteria and have multiple wives

I am talking about my own experiences, no need to start throwing your toys out of the pram. You are inventing strawman talking about things I never mentioned. Did I mention American Society cares about this? I spoke of a very specific group of people in my experience and circles and even gave you my criteria. Even if you name 10 or even 100, it doesn't go against what I said at all....that majority in this specific class do not have more than one wife. As already agreed I cannot speak for the lower stratas and other demographics that I do not interact with. If you know more there that is fine. I am making an observation based on my experience. Not sure why you are offended.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Rashid Khan: "I dedicate this performance to my wife"

Interviewer: "Which one!?"

 

[LordJames]

I am talking about my own experiences, no need to start throwing your toys out of the pram. You are inventing strawman talking about things I never mentioned. Did I mention American Society cares about this? I spoke of a very specific group of people in my experience and circles and even gave you my criteria. Even if you name 10 or even 100, it doesn't go against what I said at all....that majority in this specific class do not have more than one wife. As already agreed I cannot speak for the lower stratas and other demographics that I do not interact with. If you know more there that is fine. I am making an observation based on my experience. Not sure why you are offended.

Your who projection is devoid of any specifics and here is how it goes:​

1. You defined "Elite" according to circle which you interact and as I said someone can define the criteria to be even higher​
2. The criteria for an "Islamic regulation" which you have defined are materialistic so Islam isn't taken into consideration e.g. no idea about the level of practice of Islam in your group​
3. You then automatically assumed that someone who disagrees with you must be interacting with people on a lower social status.​

This whole interaction tells me about your background and experience of American society and it is clearly that you live and interact in a some kind of bubble and have no idea about America.​