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"Age fudging by players is blatant cheating, and is no different from fixing": Rahul Dravid

King_Kohli said:
Lol
We have his age ESPNcricinfo as 41.
His autobiography says 46.
Now he is saying 44!
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They are just numbers to him.

He is any age that he wants to be :)
 
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It's an absolute farce and the biggest reason why I take performances from Asian players in U19 WCs/Emerging Cups with a pinch of salt.

The term "men against boys" is literal.
 
Markhor said:
It's an absolute farce and the biggest reason why I take performances from Asian players in U19 WCs/Emerging Cups with a pinch of salt.

The term "men against boys" is literal.
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Wrong to tar them all. Sri Lankans are blemishless. In India, age fudging is rampant in a few states and less so in others. I think Bangladesh is also more or less accurate.
 
AMSS said:
Wrong to tar them all. Sri Lankans are blemishless. In India, age fudging is rampant in a few states and less so in others. I think Bangladesh is also more or less accurate.
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Pakistan and Afghanistan are the worst offenders.
 
Shots fired!

Imad Wasim in his latest interview with PakPassion

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...uld-be-brave-enough-to-say-it-quot-Imad-Wasim


PakPassion.net: How do you see your future and do you feel you have the mental strength to make a comeback to international cricket.

Imad Wasim: I am a ‘proper’ 33-year-old player, and whilst I wish I could say that I am 27 or 28, the fact is that I am not shy of stating my true age. I feel that I have a good five to six years of cricket left in me. What I am sure about is that I will make a comeback for Pakistan, sooner or later. This is because I have great self-belief and also believe in my potential. I do not have to prove to the world that I am good enough to play but I have to show to myself that I can and will play, and God Willing you will see me in Pakistan colours soon.
 
Ranji Trophy 2024: BCCI hands Odisha's Sumit Sharma two-year ban for age fraud

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has banned Odisha cricketer Sumit Sharma for two years as he has produced multiple birth certificates during the course of his career. The all-rounder travelled with the squad to Baroda to play their first Ranji Trophy game of the season but ahead of the match, the cricketer was handed a suspension letter by the disciplinary committee of the governing body.

As per reports, his birth certificate did not tally with the one he submitted back in the 2015-16 season, which gave birth to multiple speculations and eventually was suspended by the board. Meanwhile, the Odisha Cricket Association (OCA) has named Tarini Sa as Sumit’s replacement in the squad for the first match. The cricketer has joined the squad in Baroda but didn’t feature in the playing XI.

“Sumit Sharma, a player of Odisha Senior Men’s Team, has been disqualified by the BCCI to play in the BCCI Domestic Tournaments for 2 years as he has produced multiple age certificates. The certificates produced by him when he played at the junior level in the year 2015-16 do not match with the ones he produced for the current season,” OCA secretary Sanjay Behera said in a press statement explaining the development.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Ranji Trophy 2024: BCCI hands Odisha's Sumit Sharma two-year ban for age fraud

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has banned Odisha cricketer Sumit Sharma for two years as he has produced multiple birth certificates during the course of his career. The all-rounder travelled with the squad to Baroda to play their first Ranji Trophy game of the season but ahead of the match, the cricketer was handed a suspension letter by the disciplinary committee of the governing body.

As per reports, his birth certificate did not tally with the one he submitted back in the 2015-16 season, which gave birth to multiple speculations and eventually was suspended by the board. Meanwhile, the Odisha Cricket Association (OCA) has named Tarini Sa as Sumit’s replacement in the squad for the first match. The cricketer has joined the squad in Baroda but didn’t feature in the playing XI.

“Sumit Sharma, a player of Odisha Senior Men’s Team, has been disqualified by the BCCI to play in the BCCI Domestic Tournaments for 2 years as he has produced multiple age certificates. The certificates produced by him when he played at the junior level in the year 2015-16 do not match with the ones he produced for the current season,” OCA secretary Sanjay Behera said in a press statement explaining the development.
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Well done Ind. Compare that to the PCB where its actively encouraged
 
To live your life knowing you lie about your age daily is a life of deciet and there is no blessing in this. You cannot succeed by being a liar and a fraud.

I don't know when Pakistan will start taking this seriously as a nation, it shouldn't be PCB's job.
 
It’s hard to digest that Pak has sent an U17 team for the U19 World Cup because 10 out of the 15 players are 17 or less
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
To live your life knowing you lie about your age daily is a life of deciet and there is no blessing in this. You cannot succeed by being a liar and a fraud.

I don't know when Pakistan will start taking this seriously as a nation, it shouldn't be PCB's job.
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You can be succesful by being liar
 
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Many people suggest that Shahzaib Khan looks like a 27 year old guy. Can't say anything about it. Your thoughts on it guys.
 
Unless Pakistan sets a strong precedent it will continue. Sad that so many talented players are push wayside because of such cheats.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Looks like another case of age fudging. Your thoughts guys🤔
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See the difference between two😁. Both playing in Under-19s
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This looks like a well-matured man going up against a teenager. LOL

But usually, Pathans have this kind of build-up. They look more aged than they actually are so I don't think that there is any age fudging here.
 
BouncerGuy said:
But usually, Pathans have this kind of build-up. They look more aged than they actually are so I don't think that there is any age fudging here.
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It's because they age fudge the most. It says a lot about a person why then lie about their age and their childrens age.
 
Age appropriate stand out players won't look special and on other hands average players will look special due to being older.

This is harmful while selecting players.
 
So Pakistan has had a generation of 22-25 year olds larping as under 19s and they could barely deliver against children :ROFLMAO: No wonder majority of Pakistani domestic players are dross as they all are 30+ pretending to be mid 20 year olds :ROFLMAO:
 
Ata-ur-Rehman was 17 when he made his debut in 1992 against England. He never looked like a 17 year old, plus he played his first domestic game in 1990. What a joke...at 15?
 
Age fudging is pretty common in the Sub-continent. Afghanistan players, look at them. None of them matches his age number.
 
PakEngFan said:
Do you have any proof of this or just making up?
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Are you still in the denial stage and you really think they "grow up faster"? :ROFLMAO:

Minimum 4 years age fudging is the norm. There is no accountability in these remote villages.

They are 19 year olds pretending to be 15 year olds.
 
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Flat_Track_Bully said:
Are you still in the denial stage and you really think they "grow up faster"? :ROFLMAO:

Minimum 4 years age fudging is the norm. There is no accountability in these remote villages.

They are are 19 year olds pretending to be 15 year olds.
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You implied a specific region. I am sure you have some evidence for your claims rather than your eyes. If not then stop with your claims.
 
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Pakistan is one of the most dishonest nations on Earth, so no wonder that age fudging is so prevalent in Pakistan. Honestly speaking, I find it really embarrassing.
 
The_KING said:
Pakistan is one of the most dishonest nations on Earth, so no wonder that age fudging is so prevalent in Pakistan. Honestly speaking, I find it really embarrassing.
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If you are just mentioning that it only happens in Pakistan then you are wrong sir. This has been a norm in sub-continents and other nations like Afghanistan as well.. INDIA, PAKISTAN and AFGHANISTAN are all under 1 umbrella here.
 
In general life I just find the desperation of lying about age pathetic. It’s a ridiculous blight on how poor a country and its people are when their population consistently do this. Any country where it’s rife is basically a you know what country.
 
BouncerGuy said:
If you are just mentioning that it only happens in Pakistan then you are wrong sir. This has been a norm in sub-continents and other nations like Afghanistan as well.. INDIA, PAKISTAN and AFGHANISTAN are all under 1 umbrella here.
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There are levels.

Just look at the 90's. India had SRT, Ganguly, Dravid, Kumble, Jadeja, Azhar, Robin Singh , Prasad, Srinath who all had accurate ages.

In PAK team, apart from Anwar and Wasim, everybody was overaged .
 
Age fudgers are kings at junior level cricket, but get found out at the international level.

Some of the guys currently at the Under 19 World Cup look like they are in their mid 20s - absolutely ridiculous.
 
Saj said:
Age fudgers are kings at junior level cricket, but get found out at the international level.

Some of the guys currently at the Under 19 World Cup look like they are in their mid 20s - absolutely ridiculous.
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It's a double edged sword.

Lets say they are larping as 19 but really are 23. A decent talent, good prospects. By the time they make it to international they are real age 26/27. By the time they are fully adjusted to international cricket they are 30 and now on a decline in ability. The shelf life is nothing. All the investment for what? 2 years max?

This is what is happening right now, "mid 20s" players going off the boil and nobody can explain why but we all know the elephant in the room.
 
Saj said:
Age fudgers are kings at junior level cricket, but get found out at the international level.

Some of the guys currently at the Under 19 World Cup look like they are in their mid 20s - absolutely ridiculous.
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And encouraged by the PCB. I think I met you at the match at Kiberton where Zia ul Haq was playing and the BD coach who was an Australian, said to me that if Zia was u19, he was a monkeys uncle.
 
no one holds the pcb to account because its accepted practise all over Pakistan. i dont think anyones their real age in the current pak team.

everyone whos real age i know is minimum two years older than they say.

india used to be bad but they have controlled it now, nearly all their guys look their age.
 
BouncerGuy said:
If you are just mentioning that it only happens in Pakistan then you are wrong sir. This has been a norm in sub-continents and other nations like Afghanistan as well.. INDIA, PAKISTAN and AFGHANISTAN are all under 1 umbrella here.
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Don't put india in other two countries combo pls.India implements bone marrow test which identifies +/_ 6 months accuracy of a player's age,an international standard practice. It's been a routine practice in india past several years.In pak and afg, its a blatant cheating
 
Vikram1989 said:
Don't put india in other two countries combo pls.India implements bone marrow test which identifies +/_ 6 months accuracy of a player's age,an international standard practice. It's been a routine practice in india past several years.In pak and afg, its a blatant cheating
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India might have been able to make it better but it is not true that it never happened there. In Pakistan, age funding is still going on and no one is even bothered to address this issue. They do not even consider this thing as an issue. PCB has no control whatsoever. Management is poor overall and there is no real hope for any betterment in the near future.
 
I raise my suspicions on Shaheen Afridi, Hassan Ali and Shadab Khan.

Shaheen on paper is 23-24 years old but he has already started to show decline and is bowling like someone close to 30 years old. You don't expect a 23-24 year old guy being reduced to 130-133 km/hr pace from 144-148 km/hr pace in a span of 2 years but yes it can happen to someone who is touching 30 years old.

Same Story with Hassan Ali, The guy was touching 140-145 km/hr in 2017-2019 but he is now a millitary medium pacer who now bowls at 127-130 km/hr and on paper he is around 28-29 years old but in reality he can easily be 31-32 years old.

Shadab Khan's decline is the real eye opener, he was a fit athletic individual in 2017 with an easy repeatable bowling action where he would spin, loop the ball and had a well disguised googly, he on paper was 19 years old back but now at the age of 24, he is no longer the same fit, agile person and his bowling action has badly deteriorated and this has resulted in him bowling with a flat, part timers trajectory and his big turning leg spinners, well disguised googly is gone. On paper officially he is 24 years old but looking at his fitness and bowling, he is looking like someone approaching 30 years old.

Mohd Amir is a well known age fudger, officially he is 31 years old but everyone knows he is actually 33-34 years old.
 
Savak said:
I raise my suspicions on Shaheen Afridi, Hassan Ali and Shadab Khan.

Shaheen on paper is 23-24 years old but he has already started to show decline and is bowling like someone close to 30 years old. You don't expect a 23-24 year old guy being reduced to 130-133 km/hr pace from 144-148 km/hr pace in a span of 2 years but yes it can happen to someone who is touching 30 years old.

Same Story with Hassan Ali, The guy was touching 140-145 km/hr in 2017-2019 but he is now a millitary medium pacer who now bowls at 127-130 km/hr and on paper he is around 28-29 years old but in reality he can easily be 31-32 years old.

Shadab Khan's decline is the real eye opener, he was a fit athletic individual in 2017 with an easy repeatable bowling action where he would spin, loop the ball and had a well disguised googly, he on paper was 19 years old back but now at the age of 24, he is no longer the same fit, agile person and his bowling action has badly deteriorated and this has resulted in him bowling with a flat, part timers trajectory and his big turning leg spinners, well disguised googly is gone. On paper officially he is 24 years old but looking at his fitness and bowling, he is looking like someone approaching 30 years old.

Mohd Amir is a well known age fudger, officially he is 31 years old but everyone knows he is actually 33-34 years old.
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I don't think it's possible to age fudge 7-8 years. Shadab doesn't look 30 lol

Form decline doesn't always have to do with age just to let you know.

Shaheen and hasan are defo older then their age. Shadab max has age fudged 5 years.
 
Shaheen is definitely older. I am 24, and I cannot believe this guy is younger than me. He looks between 27 and 28. I have friends who are almost his height, and they are athletes and have beards as well; they actually look younger than him.
Shadab is not an age fudger. He actually looked his age during the Champions Trophy.
Hassan Ali and Haris Rauf look around 34 and 35.
It might sound ridiculous, but sometimes Fakhar looks younger than his age.
 
Ishanullah and Chacha are the most obvious. Chacha looks as old as MSD. Probably more. Cricket is not a sports that demands elite fitness you can be leas agile and get away.
 
Shaheen had a terrible knee injury and then was brought back too early.

It is understandable for him to lose his pace and blame should go on the pcb for potentially ruining him.

Look at how Bumrah was treated with top care and proper rehabilitation.
 
Among Indian cricketers, the biggest age fudgers of recent times have been Yuvraj and Dhoni. Both understated their age by 4-5 years.

Akash Deep is also an age fudger. He's probably 2-3 years older, maybe more.
 
AMSS said:
Among Indian cricketers, the biggest age fudgers of recent times have been Yuvraj and Dhoni. Both understated their age by 4-5 years.

Akash Deep is also an age fudger. He's probably 2-3 years older, maybe more.
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What about Shami? Hard to believe he is 34. Most likely 37-38.
 
AMSS said:
Among Indian cricketers, the biggest age fudgers of recent times have been Yuvraj and Dhoni. Both understated their age by 4-5 years.

Akash Deep is also an age fudger. He's probably 2-3 years older, maybe more.
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Disappointing to hear that about Akashdeep. Thought he had a few years as Test bowler . Maybe not.
 
Shaheen afridi is currently biggest age fudger player .he is more like 29-30 year old instead 24 years
 
AMSS said:
Among Indian cricketers, the biggest age fudgers of recent times have been Yuvraj and Dhoni. Both understated their age by 4-5 years.

Akash Deep is also an age fudger. He's probably 2-3 years older, maybe more.
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Also had my doubts about Raina.
 
Mamoon said:
What about Shami? Hard to believe he is 34. Most likely 37-38.
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Yeah, he's another notable case. Born in Amroha, UP back in those days with no proper record maintained.
Nikhil_cric said:
Disappointing to hear that about Akashdeep. Thought he had a few years as Test bowler . Maybe not.
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He looks fit. If he's 29-30 and prioritizes fitness then he can play for 5-6 years. Might even be like Shami who's closing in on 10 years in international cricket.
 
Varun said:
Also had my doubts about Raina.
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Every North Indian cricketer has to fudge his age by 2-3 years. Bcoz it's impossible to crack U17 levels as genuine U17. as the system is full of 19-20 year olds. So everyone fakes their age by 2-3 years & waits their turn. Same for Dhoni, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Raina, Zaheer, Pant, Shubman

Now situation has improved due to crackdown by BCCI
 
No one can cross Rashid in this regard. When he was claimed to be 16 years of age i just uttered oh my ....
 
Where is Hasan Raza? Has he crossed 30 years? One world record by his name. Afghanistan can easily break this record .
 
I know its morally wrong but does it really matter at senior level? Only performance should matter in sports. In Olympics, there is no limit on age. We see athletes from age 15 to age 45 winning medals.
 
Someone tell this to Iftikhar and all his deluded fans.
 
AMSS said:
Among Indian cricketers, the biggest age fudgers of recent times have been Yuvraj and Dhoni. Both understated their age by 4-5 years.

Akash Deep is also an age fudger. He's probably 2-3 years older, maybe more.
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Lol, Yuvraj didn't fake his age, Dhoni might have. There is a clear record of Yuvi's age, he even participated in skating contests as a kid.

Sehwag is the most obvious answer here, so is Shami.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
I know its morally wrong but does it really matter at senior level? Only performance should matter in sports. In Olympics, there is no limit on age. We see athletes from age 15 to age 45 winning medals.
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It stops genuine age kids from progressing because age fudgers are physically and mentally stronger so they end up stealing the limelight.

That's why Pakistan has a long line of late 20s, early 30s real age debutants that fizzle out after 2 years.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Lol, Yuvraj didn't fake his age, Dhoni might have. There is a clear record of Yuvi's age, he even participated in skating contests as a kid.

Sehwag is the most obvious answer here, so is Shami.
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MSD did work as a Railway employee. There are pelnty of proofs that must be available. I don't think he cheated. But responaibility as a captain for franchise and country made him look old sooner. Shami is the only one that appears to be true. But not by much. Fast bowlers cannot bowl after certain age.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Lol, Yuvraj didn't fake his age, Dhoni might have. There is a clear record of Yuvi's age, he even participated in skating contests as a kid.

Sehwag is the most obvious answer here, so is Shami.
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Yes Sehwag is another one who faked his age. But Yuvraj 100 percent did. And that too not by 1-2 years. 4-5 years older than his current stated age. My sources are impeccable.
jnaveen1980 said:
MSD did work as a Railway employee. There are pelnty of proofs that must be available. I don't think he cheated. But responaibility as a captain for franchise and country made him look old sooner. Shami is the only one that appears to be true. But not by much. Fast bowlers cannot bowl after certain age
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Lmao, you think Rail/govt employees undergo diligent background check about their birth certificate? You probably have NO clue about how things work in India. Dhoni has no birth certificate - nobody born in Bihar back in the day had - and his birth year is officially forged at matriculation level. It's an open secret among his friends and neighbors etc in Ranchi.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
MSD did work as a Railway employee. There are pelnty of proofs that must be available. I don't think he cheated. But responaibility as a captain for franchise and country made him look old sooner. Shami is the only one that appears to be true. But not by much. Fast bowlers cannot bowl after certain age.
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I was about to say that, MS was a govt employee, so don't believe he fudged or could fudge his age. They require lots of age proof documentation to get govt jobs.
 
AMSS said:
Yes Sehwag is another one who faked his age. But Yuvraj 100 percent did. And that too not by 1-2 years. 4-5 years older than his current stated age. My sources are impeccable.


Lmao, you think Rail/govt employees undergo diligent background check about their birth certificate? You probably have NO clue about how things work in India. Dhoni has no birth certificate - nobody born in Bihar back in the day had - and his birth year is officially forged at matriculation level. It's an open secret among his friends and neighbors etc in Ranchi.
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So you actually believe that he is 50 and has the fitness to play cricket with young players?
 
giri26 said:
So you actually believe that he is 50 and has the fitness to play cricket with young players?
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Dhoni is 48, yes.I don't have to ''believe'' it. It's a fact. Same about Yuvi who's 46-47.
 
AMSS said:
Yes Sehwag is another one who faked his age. But Yuvraj 100 percent did. And that too not by 1-2 years. 4-5 years older than his current stated age. My sources are impeccable.


Lmao, you think Rail/govt employees undergo diligent background check about their birth certificate? You probably have NO clue about how things work in India. Dhoni has no birth certificate - nobody born in Bihar back in the day had - and his birth year is officially forged at matriculation level. It's an open secret among his friends and neighbors etc in Ranchi.
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Yea i also heard Kumble's friends telling he is actually 60.
 
AMSS said:
Among Indian cricketers, the biggest age fudgers of recent times have been Yuvraj and Dhoni. Both understated their age by 4-5 years.

Akash Deep is also an age fudger. He's probably 2-3 years older, maybe more.
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Yuvraj is the son of Yograj. I'm sure the year he was born was maintained in some record. Wouldn't have been able to fudge it.
 
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