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Ahmed Shehzad - A star in the making

^ if it was just a on on-field thing then it wouldn't matter, but it isn't.
 
countdown to the day shehzad gets his rightful place back at the top of the order for pakistan :ahmed

6 sixes for him today :afridi

still remember that flat pulled six of a 151 kph delivery from adam milne in newzealand .

:97: mo ilyas and imran farhat :123:
 
Bring him in. I am sure with Misbah's disciplinarian approach, he will get in line. :ahmed

We need an aggressive opener.
 
This guy is such a flop keep him out.

Remember his World Cup (lack of) performance...Oh yeah I forgot it wasn't his fault

it was the black magic.
 
He has loads of talent and I think one of the best techniques for a Pak player but his shot selection has let him down in the past, needs a good batting coach for him to succeed.
 
I know it's only BPL but this guy WILL develop into a very good player if given the chance. Add to that his fielding as well which is brilliant.
 
I wouldnt look much into Pyjama League performance vs Lulloo Bowlers

Unleash Umar Akmal here and he will outperform Shehzad easily
Hell pretty much any batsman from our ODI Team can dominate this kind of Attack
 
You can blame the standard of BPL, also granted the small boundaries, but this guy is better than imran farhat, T.Umar (for ODI and T20), Shoib Malik and Asad Shafiq (ODI and T20 only) anyday...
 
You can blame the standard of BPL, also granted the small boundaries, but this guy is better than imran farhat, T.Umar (for ODI and T20), Shoib Malik and Asad Shafiq (ODI and T20 only) anyday...
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Explain?
Yeh sure Shehzad has 2x Centuries in 19 Innings Batted but thats just it
those 2 were the only times when he crossed the 50 Run Mark

Both Shafiq and Shehzad played on the biggest ODI Stage The World Cup

in 5 Matches / 5 Innings Ahmed Shehzad achieved the following
Runs = 44
Average = 8.8
S/R = 48

in 4 Matches / 3 Innings Asad Shafiq achieved the following
Runs = 154
Average = 77 (Thanks to his Not Out)
S/R = 70

T20 is another story and open for debate and i agree Shehzad > Farhat anyday of the week
 
VTEC said:
Explain?
Yeh sure Shehzad has 2x Centuries in 19 Innings Batted but thats just it
those 2 were the only times when he crossed the 50 Run Mark

Both Shafiq and Shehzad played on the biggest ODI Stage The World Cup

in 5 Matches / 5 Innings Ahmed Shehzad achieved the following
Runs = 44
Average = 8.8
S/R = 48

in 4 Matches / 3 Innings Asad Shafiq achieved the following
Runs = 154
Average = 77 (Thanks to his Not Out)
S/R = 70

T20 is another story and open for debate and i agree Shehzad > Farhat anyday of the week
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not any day of the week. any minute of the century defines this comparison more precisely.
 
He is talented but he has attitude problems! I remember his maiden ton that he made against kiwis in NZ! It was a very good innings!
 
he was dropped because he was causing problems in the team, we're better off without such characters.
 
Ahmed shehzad and nasir jamshed should be our opening partnership for future and the best thing about them is that they can play in all formats of the game.farhat always plays for himself and again we saw that yestarday that as soon as he got his fifty he literally gifted his wicket,idiotic player!
 
I think "attitude" has a new definition in PAK Cricket off late; probably from the days of Inzamam, there is a "Maulana" culture & players are pushed to show piousness in public. Players have to start with "Bishmillah", there has to be few "Mash Allah, Insha Allah, Subhan Allah" in your speech, players have to say namaz in jamat during practice, there has to be very strict aged based hierarchy in the team, & seniors are like messiah, you can't talk to them eye to eye etc. are part of good attitude. However, in last few years, there had been alcohol, drugs, betting, fixing, in-fight & few other issues which actually don't go with Islam or traditional aspects of a professional players' attitude.

Let me tell you few of my thoughts

1. Shehzad is the most talented batsman to come from sub-continent in this millennium, may be even in last 20 years. I have seen that boy since 17 or 18, & have seen few other greats at that age in last two decades to convince me. He is the perfect ODI opener, in 18 innings crossed 25 twice, converted into hundred both times. I still believe he 'll finish with highest no. of ODI & may be International century for Pakistan

2. He has absolutely no issues with his team members or his commitment to his team. He played for 2/3 different clubs in Dhaka & already has got some very good friends; he is one of the most demanded player here already. However, probably he comes from a different educational background (obviously not from the "me yes, me ok" level), so someone shouldn't expect the traditional "attitude" of Inzi days from him.

3. He is an extreme competitor, 'll not allow someone space, because of that person being 10-12 years older or having long beard. I am sure this is interpreted in different way by his previous Captains or management who comes from a traditional school. Had he been playing under Misbah, I can guarantee, there 'll not be any issue

4. If Shehzad is kept out for attitude problem, then Kohli wouldn't have toured with Indian team with same yardstick. As I said, in Pakistan culture, attitude has a different meaning - UAkmal got away after faking injury & Shehzad is filtered out

5. Finally, is there any thing else to keep him out of the team than disciplinary issues? He is young, a great prospect for next 15 years, can bat & bat well, is a good fielder, can bowl a bit leggie, a good prospect for future Captain. I mean Farhat can't compete him on Cricket skills, can he? & they both are fighting for 1 spot; Shehzad is so unfortunate that Hafeez is in a purple patch.
 
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MMHS said:
I think "attitude" has a new definition in PAK Cricket off late; probably from the days of Inzamam, there is a "Maulana" culture & players are pushed to show piousness in public. Players have to start with "Bishmillah", there has to be few "Mash Allah, Insha Allah, Subhan Allah" in your speech, players have to say namaz in jamat during practice, there has to be very strict aged based hierarchy in the team, & seniors are like messiah, you can't talk to them eye to eye etc. are part of good attitude. However, in last few years, there had been alcohol, drugs, betting, fixing, in-fight & few other issues which actually don't go with Islam or traditional aspects of a professional players' attitude.

Let me tell you few of my thoughts

1. Shehzad is the most talented batsman to come from sub-continent in this millennium, may be even in last 20 years. I have seen that boy since 17 or 18, & have seen few other greats at that age in last two decades to convince me. He is the perfect ODI opener, in 18 innings crossed 25 twice, converted into hundred both times. I still believe he 'll finish with highest no. of ODI & may be International century for Pakistan

2. He has absolutely no issues with his team members or his commitment to his team. He played for 2/3 different clubs in Dhaka & already has got some very good friends; he is one of the most demanded player here already. However, probably he comes from a different educational background (obviously not from the "me yes, me ok" level), so someone shouldn't expect the traditional "attitude" of Inzi days from him.

3. He is an extreme competitor, 'll not allow someone space, because of that person being 10-12 years older or having long beard. I am sure this is interpreted in different way by his previous Captains or management who comes from a traditional school. Had he been playing under Misbah, I can guarantee, there 'll not be any issue

4. If Shehzad is kept out for attitude problem, then Kohli wouldn't have toured with Indian team with same yardstick. As I said, in Pakistan culture, attitude has a different meaning - UAkmal got away after faking injury & Shehzad is filtered out.

5. Finally, is there any thing else to keep him out of the team than disciplinary issues? He is young, a great prospect for next 15 years, can bat & bat well, is a good fielder, can bowl a bit leggie, a good prospect for future Captain. I mean Farhat can't compete him on Cricket skills, can he? & they both are fighting for 1 spot; Shehzad is so unfortunate that Hafeez is in a purple patch.
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Could not agree more with the maulana culture that has crept in to our dressing room, very well thought out post as always.
 
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^^^MMHS - Get ready for the mullah brigade in PP to come and bludgeon you......... A courageous post (not to mention I totally agree)....

(Btw the PCB boss recently showed his full support for the corrupt Amir!! So not sure what yardstick PCB use for disciplin issues)
 
riasat said:
^^^MMHS - Get ready for the mullah brigade in PP to come and bludgeon you......... A courageous post (not to mention I totally agree)....

(Btw the PCB boss recently showed his full support for the corrupt Amir!! So not sure what yardstick PCB use for disciplin issues)
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Really? Its the internet man not a battlefield.

Good point about Amir.
 
MMHS said:
I think "attitude" has a new definition in PAK Cricket off late; probably ......
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interesting view point mmhs, heres my two cents, you have a valid argument, but i would say if that "maulana" culture exists, or existed, and helps to bring some form of team spirit and interpersonal consistancy to the team, and shehzad threatens that, would his presence in the team not be disruptive.

i am not arguing about the merits of maulana culture, im just trying to speculate on the possible ramifications for team unity. shehzad is confident and head strong, but other players need that support network, would it be worth accomodating one player if others may suffer.

to some extent im playing the devils advocate, would just like to know what you think.

ps i dont think there is much maulana culture under misbah, maybe some mods or such who are closer to the team could answer that better.
 
ElRaja said:
interesting view point mmhs, heres my two cents, you have a valid argument, but i would say if that "maulana" culture exists, or existed, and helps to bring some form of team spirit and interpersonal consistancy to the team, and shehzad threatens that, would his presence in the team not be disruptive.

i am not arguing about the merits of maulana culture, im just trying to speculate on the possible ramifications for team unity. shehzad is confident and head strong, but other players need that support network, would it be worth accomodating one player if others may suffer.

to some extent im playing the devils advocate, would just like to know what you think.

ps i dont think there is much maulana culture under misbah, maybe some mods or such who are closer to the team could answer that better.
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Oh so now being a Mullah is important to be a part of the team...
So what abt Christian or minority players? Will they never be allowed to represent pakistan?
 
MMHS said:
I think "attitude" has a new definition in PAK Cricket off late; probably from the days of Inzamam, there is a "Maulana" culture & players are pushed to show piousness in public. Players have to start with "Bishmillah", there has to be few "Mash Allah, Insha Allah, Subhan Allah" in your speech, players have to say namaz in jamat during practice, there has to be very strict aged based hierarchy in the team, & seniors are like messiah, you can't talk to them eye to eye etc. are part of good attitude. However, in last few years, there had been alcohol, drugs, betting, fixing, in-fight & few other issues which actually don't go with Islam or traditional aspects of a professional players' attitude.

Let me tell you few of my thoughts

1. Shehzad is the most talented batsman to come from sub-continent in this millennium, may be even in last 20 years. I have seen that boy since 17 or 18, & have seen few other greats at that age in last two decades to convince me. He is the perfect ODI opener, in 18 innings crossed 25 twice, converted into hundred both times. I still believe he 'll finish with highest no. of ODI & may be International century for Pakistan

2. He has absolutely no issues with his team members or his commitment to his team. He played for 2/3 different clubs in Dhaka & already has got some very good friends; he is one of the most demanded player here already. However, probably he comes from a different educational background (obviously not from the "me yes, me ok" level), so someone shouldn't expect the traditional "attitude" of Inzi days from him.

3. He is an extreme competitor, 'll not allow someone space, because of that person being 10-12 years older or having long beard. I am sure this is interpreted in different way by his previous Captains or management who comes from a traditional school. Had he been playing under Misbah, I can guarantee, there 'll not be any issue

4. If Shehzad is kept out for attitude problem, then Kohli wouldn't have toured with Indian team with same yardstick. As I said, in Pakistan culture, attitude has a different meaning - UAkmal got away after faking injury & Shehzad is filtered out

5. Finally, is there any thing else to keep him out of the team than disciplinary issues? He is young, a great prospect for next 15 years, can bat & bat well, is a good fielder, can bowl a bit leggie, a good prospect for future Captain. I mean Farhat can't compete him on Cricket skills, can he? & they both are fighting for 1 spot; Shehzad is so unfortunate that Hafeez is in a purple patch.
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top post sir !!

and i agree with you , those who have seen him play would know he is the most talented bat to come through age group cricket in the recent past
 
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what maulana culture? :)) that was there under inzi, that's it!

Attitude such as saying "why am I in the squad if I'm not playing in the starting 11?"

Malik had a similar problem but I guess misbah has a soft spot for him...
 
riasat said:
Oh so now being a Mullah is important to be a part of the team...
So what abt Christian or minority players? Will they never be allowed to represent pakistan?
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just because your christian or from a minority doesnt mean you rock the boat, but you cannot deny that teams have certain personality traits.

MMHS clearly stated the characteristic traits he believes put shehzad at odds with the rest of the squad. they have nothing to do with shehzad religions, its just his nature.

the maulana thing is just an quicker way to say the pakistani teams nature.
 
it's criminal how he is not in the team and we are being tortured with :farhat :69:

have maintained my view since his debut that he's a supreme talent and needs to be given a proper run along with :umarakmal ... sad state of affairs really that he was dropped for rather trivial matter which had nothing to do with his performance ... 2 ODI 100s in 19 matches and people have an issue with his attitude :facepalm:

hopefully these performances in BPL put him back on the radar for LOI selection!!!
 
This guys should be in the Team no question about it, dont understand why Misbah want's to persist and fight for mediocre players like Malik and Farhat while talented youngsters like Shehzad and UKmal are wasted, probably because he doesn't want his spot in the ODI/T20 team to be questioned which will never happen when if he persist with inconsistent performers.
 
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Spot on from MMHS.

Shahzad has played quite a lot in Bangladesh. If his attitude is good there than may be isn't as bad as people make him out to be.

people need to understand that during a sport players can get aggressive and emotions kik in.

Shahzad has a very aggressive approach on the field as we know :balaji, he likes to get under everybodies skin. At times he over does it. But i will mention YK's quote from interview on PP.

He sais players that are confident and trust in their ability sometimes come across as arrogant, he used C Ronaldo as example to describe Ahmed Shahzad.

I dont't see any problem with that. People need to man up. We don't even know the real reason which most likely were Ahmed's Support for Afridi he may be spoke up and didn't get scared of seniors and backed Afridi which nobody in the PCB hierachy liked as other player may follow to do things like that. I am just assuming that could be the problem. So if they can forgive Afridi than we need to let Shahzad back in.
 
He's played some amazing shots in the BPL, gotta say.

Shehzad-leds-Barisal.jpg
 
SHEHZAD AND NASIR THE FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!i am ready to bet that they will be the best opening pair in the world if given proper chance.
 
MMHS said:
1. Shehzad is the most talented batsman to come from sub-continent in this millennium, may be even in last 20 years. I have seen that boy since 17 or 18, & have seen few other greats at that age in last two decades to convince me. He is the perfect ODI opener, in 18 innings crossed 25 twice, converted into hundred both times. I still believe he 'll finish with highest no. of ODI & may be International century for Pakistan.
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So crossing 25 twice in 18 innings merits being called the perfect odi opener?

If i were him id cut the attitude and concentrate more on scoring runs
 
Can we get this guy in the team already, how long is the PCB gonna bring up the attitude issue to protect Farhat. We need proper openers already. Even if we end up winning this series which is more than likely it will be inspite of Farhat and Malik dont expect these two to perform.
 
Yes, I agree when we a have superstar like Mrs Mirza than there is no need for anyone else in the team.
 
VolcanicAsh said:
Yes, I agree when we a have superstar like Mrs Mirza than there is no need for anyone else in the team.
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The last thing we need is a chamcha in the side.

Just keep Ahmad Shahzad away from the bloody team :dav
 
Afridi still has a few years left in him. Let him play out his career.

And then we should think about bringing Shahzad back into the team. But right now? hell no.
 
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Arrogance plays a large part in a players performance. He has an "attitude" for a reason. Look at Ronaldo as an example ..he knows he's the sh!t and plays similarly. You cant justify Imrans place over Ahmed. BRING HIM BACK!!! Completely agree with some posts above ^^^. He is a tremendous talent and should be utilized.
 
bring him back , his arrogance is better than :farhat smile in the field after refusing to bend for fielding.
 
Also, he should be given a long run. Our players are really nervous when they get a call up.
 
I am fan of the lad and think he has potential but it has to be said he is mentally very weak. Just a look at his performances in two world cups show that he can't handle pressure.

Also, he seems to only score from high-risk shots, and repeatedly throws his wicket away with pointless shots.
 
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miandadrules said:
I am fan of the lad and think he has potential but it has to be said he is mentally very weak. Just a look at his performances in two world cups show that he can't handle pressure.

Also, he seems to only score from high-risk shots, and repeatedly throws his wicket away with pointless shots.
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which high risk shots?? looks perfect to me. Wagon wheel in bpl is perfect. playing in the v now most of the time.
 
ataullah said:
which high risk shots?? looks perfect to me. Wagon wheel in bpl is perfect. playing in the v now most of the time.
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I'm talking about when he has played for Pakistan.

He backs away to leg half-way through a bowlers run-up.

8 single figure scores in 19 innings and and 12 scores below 20. The sad part being he threw his wicket away 70% (if not more) of the time.

I thought he was the answer to our opening problems when he made his debut in 2009 and he has real talent. But at the moment he doesn't know how to build an innings.
 
Problem with Ahmed Shehzad is the consistency

In 6 games so far he scored 3 good 50's but 60,67,56
but the other 3 games the score is 7,7,0

The same happened when he played in Pakistan team
 
He is arrogant chap , this is what needs to be removed. He has to respect opposition bowlers.
 
youboy said:
Problem with Ahmed Shehzad is the consistency

In 6 games so far he scored 3 good 50's but 60,67,56
but the other 3 games the score is 7,7,0

The same happened when he played in Pakistan team
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Would you please tell me any name in current Pakistani team who has scored 3 good fifties in last 6 T20s........you will not find even one.

Hafeez has played 26 T20s with only 2 50s in his whole career.

Fahrat has played 7 T20s with NO fifty and Highest score of 19 in his whole career.
 
He has been treated unfairly by PCB, because he speaks his mind. He's a youngsta beauty and deserves fair treatment. He's my 2nd favorite cricketer after :afridi so bring him back!!!
 
youboy said:
Problem with Ahmed Shehzad is the consistency

In 6 games so far he scored 3 good 50's but 60,67,56
but the other 3 games the score is 7,7,0

The same happened when he played in Pakistan team
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Inconsistency can be fixed. The ability to score centuries cannot be created!

How many 19 year oldes with 2 centuries do you know?
 
Superman1 said:
Would you please tell me any name in current Pakistani team who has scored 3 good fifties in last 6 T20s........you will not find even one.

Hafeez has played 26 T20s with only 2 50s in his whole career.

Fahrat has played 7 T20s with NO fifty and Highest score of 19 in his whole career.
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If you compare a player with the likes of M Hafeez & Imran Farhat then you will get players like them.

My Question here can you compare him with Umar Akmal. We want young players like Umar Akmal. Why PCB cannot find players like him from thousand of players playing in domestic cricket in Pakistan?

MR__KHAN__JI said:
Inconsistency can be fixed. The ability to score centuries cannot be created!

How many 19 year oldes with 2 centuries do you know?
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That is the reason we are asking for him to play in domestic cricket and get this inconsistency fixed. You don't deserve to play international cricket if you are unable to contribute atleast 70% of the games.

He got his chance but unable to perform at the highest level. PCB should take care of him and help him out to get the problem fixed.
 
^

In an ideal world I would agree with you...

Unfortunately the Pakistan team is a "finishing school".
 
This is just foolish.


This guy is a world class opener and we're not playing him.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
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In an ideal world I would agree with you...

Unfortunately the Pakistan team is a "finishing school".
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That is a wrong concept. Which Pakistani great player (especially batsman) you can think of was selected as per the above theory without performing consistently at the domestic level got a chance and continued to survive long in the team without performing.

Few examples.

Mohammad Yousuf was given a chance early in his career and he performed

Hafeez was earlier dropped because of poor form. and he returned and performed so he is in the team.

Imran Farhat was the best batsman in the last year Domestic tournament scoring 476 runs in 5 matches and he got a chance of course because of parchi but do you think he will last long.

Shoaib Malik has served Pakistan very well with the bat and ball. You don't score 5000 runs with 7 centuries and and 140 wickets as an all rounder in International level if you don't have the ability. He is out of form currently only in International games (he performed well in domestic recently) everyone wants him out of the team (rightly so if you don't perform you are out). But this cannot take away the fact that he served the team for so long.
 
Saeed Anwars scores read like telephone numbers...
Inzamam started off with low scores....
Younis Khan started off with low scores....
Even MoYo's record before 2006 is not overly impressive.
And that is just the greats... our average players started with even worse scores.

the list is endless.

Being a success domestically is no guarantee of success in international cricket - the standard of domestic cricket is not good enough.

Like you said - Farhat scored so many runs and cant do anything internationally.... hence why training in international team is needed.
 
youboy said:
Problem with Ahmed Shehzad is the consistency

In 6 games so far he scored 3 good 50's but 60,67,56
but the other 3 games the score is 7,7,0

The same happened when he played in Pakistan team
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Actually, this is exactly what needed by an opener. Ideally, an opener should get a 50 or 100 in every innings he comes to bat, as he gets the opportunity to bat 50 overs. That is not going to happen ever; the next best thing is to convert starts, once you are, in make it count (100 in ODI, 50 in tonti-toni).

3 times Ahmed survived the opening bowlers, went on to win the game, other 3 he got out leaving enough time for the next man. Even in ODI, I 'll prefer 197 runs in 6 innings from 3 fifty & 3 single digit scores, rather than Hafeez's customary innings - 20s & 30s.

Shehzad has everything to break MoYo's Pak record of 39 international 100s, if not, at least Saeed's 20 ODI hundreds.
 
MMHS said:
Actually, this is exactly what needed by an opener. Ideally, an opener should get a 50 or 100 in every innings he comes to bat, as he gets the opportunity to bat 50 overs. That is not going to happen ever; the next best thing is to convert starts, once you are, in make it count (100 in ODI, 50 in tonti-toni).

3 times Ahmed survived the opening bowlers, went on to win the game, other 3 he got out leaving enough time for the next man. Even in ODI, I 'll prefer 197 runs in 6 innings from 3 fifty & 3 single digit scores, rather than Hafeez's customary innings - 20s & 30s.

Shehzad has everything to break MoYo's Pak record of 39 international 100s, if not, at least Saeed's 20 ODI hundreds.
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do you think he is more talented than u akmal?
 
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