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Ahmed Shehzad - A star in the making

Asif321 said:
I know he is talented, but he is brought at wrong time to the team, he is out of ODI team since 2011 and in Recent One day and 4 Day Domestic Competitions has not score enough runs to justify the place .. he should not have been included .. when he will b in form at domestic , draft him in then he will perform infact thats how every one will perform
Khurram, Azhar Ali and Sharjeel need to b looked at
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This!!! I have the same thinking. He wasn't special in domestic also. So why was he picked at 1st place? Just because he scored 40 odd runs on a flat track against SA newbies? Since his comeback in T20s, he had only one good knock and he was selected in the ODIs due to that knock which was almost 2 3 months ago. There was no proper planning by the selectors. :facepalm:
 
Clock's ticking for the kid. Needs a score in the last outing. Even a 40-odd now.
 
Ahmed Shehzad - What A Stylish Batsman!

Need to stick with him- no point in dropping him after one poor series.
 
Scored lovely boundaries. Good player to watch, give him the full tour of Zimbabwe and hopefully he will regain some confidence. As others pointed out, seems to be good back foot player with decent cut and pulls but seems to be a bit late when coming onto the front foot.
 
What he needs a full series against ZIM to get the confidence & more importantly the habit of converting the start. Today he came with a positive mindset & unfortunately got a good one. Chasing almost 5.5, someone had to go after & he took the initiative. On this wicket, he could have scored 50 of 80 balls, but tried to take the charge (& he got a good one, didn't skied the ball on a mad swing).

I think, in this series, he is a bit unlucky too - got played-on on a really difficult wicket & in 3rd ODI, was probably unfortunate not to get the b.o.d. Last time PAK gave Hafeez & Farhat the ZIM series (which established them for a full year), it 'll be better if they do the same with Shehzad & Jamshed pair. Somehow, I feel, the day Ahmed crosses 25, 'll really go for a big knock. He is a type of player, once gets going looks to be so dominant.
 
Needs to be given 3-4 more series to perform, if he doesn't come good then by all means drop him but at least give him the chance to get a few good scores. If we can give 50+ games to Farhat why not give Shehzad 15-20 matches before making a decision. He looked positive today unfortunately got out yet again. Only a matter of time before he converts his starts to 60+ scores.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Because he premeditates and goes to hard at the ball
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exactly... even in the flattest of decks there will be one or two ball swinging.. like today. that was the only swinging ball and he got out to it. he should watch where the ball is going and then hit it. this is a massive flaw in his technique.
 
Give this talented youngster one last chance then kick him out for a year at least.

Bring in Fawad Alam ASAP.
 
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saiyan0312 said:
exactly... even in the flattest of decks there will be one or two ball swinging.. like today. that was the only swinging ball and he got out to it. he should watch where the ball is going and then hit it. this is a massive flaw in his technique.
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Massive massive flaw.

Somebody needs to highlight it to him.

I doubt anyone even notices.

I bet they just tell him "slow down"... "play your self in".... "a few more dot balls"
 
I will still give him a series vs Zimbabwe and remind him of the competition he is facing with players such as Babar Azam and Sharjeel looking to get in the senior team and opening slot.

I don't think we should axe players based on 4 matches even though Shehzad have looked out of touch. Let him play another series to get his confidence back.

Atleast it's better than going back to proven failures like Imran Farhat!
 
It surely has to be Misbah's fault that he's thrown his wicket away in every one of these ODIs against West Indies :p
 
4 matches played since recall, 4 self-inflicted dismissal. Still has a cardboard cut out technic and has shown no improvement in his game technically or mentally.

over-rated and useless player as ive mentioned a few times before.
 
i guess lets see him in the last ODI. dissapointed in him as i expected better. maybe also take him for the zimbabwe tour.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Massive massive flaw.

Somebody needs to highlight it to him.

I doubt anyone even notices.

I bet they just tell him "slow down"... "play your self in".... "a few more dot balls"
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Yes its not about play yourself in or few more dots.. he can play a hundred balls but what is weak in his technique will stay weak unless he properly sees his mistake and changes it. these tours are meant to show and highlight your weaknesses and then you ractify them. how he improves his game is upto him.

If he has a mind then by now he should be very self aware of his flaws and should be thinking of how to improve them.
 
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saiyan0312 said:
Yes its not about play yourself in or few more dots.. he can play a hundred balls but what is weak in his technique will stay weak unless he properly sees his mistake and changes it. these tours are meant to show and highlight your weaknesses and then you ractify them. how he improves his game is upto him.

If he has a mind then by now he should be very self aware of his flaws and should be thinking of how to improve them.
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Exactly. My worry is that he wont see the fault.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Exactly. My worry is that he wont see the fault.
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this is where batting coaches are missed. i doubt whatmore or msibah knows about this fault. on top of it all the more failures he piles up the more low his confidence will become and soon he will be dropped never to be seen again. hope he works on this.
 
o'really? why would you doubt that the coach and captain not know about this fault?
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havent seen improvements. which leads to believe he himself doesnt know about this flaw. what do you think?
 
saiyan0312 said:
havent seen improvements. which leads to believe he himself doesnt know about this flaw. what do you think?
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absence of technique adjustment is not the same as absence of coaching

to me its down to if the player listening to what the coaching staff is saying.

if you could coach your way to great player....mohammad sami would have 300 test wickets by now.
 
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saiyan0312 said:
this is where batting coaches are missed. i doubt whatmore or msibah knows about this fault. on top of it all the more failures he piles up the more low his confidence will become and soon he will be dropped never to be seen again. hope he works on this.
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This is what happens in Pak cricket all the time.

Players left to fend for themselves
 
Players left to fend for themselves
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then we get surprised when their techniques end up with flaws and ask for more replacements.....

to me its down to if the player listening to what the coaching staff is saying.
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we have a bowling coach but not a batting coach that knows such flaws and how to ractify them. this is a major requirement.
 
For some reason I've been watching Shehzad closer than some of your other bats since I just keep getting bored (read: sleepy) as the night wears on in these Windies games, in terms of IST.

I think the equation's pretty simple, he needs a score in the final outing. Otherwise it's the end of his career for the next year at least. Yeah sure you can argue that he should be given the Zimbabwe tour as well to cement an opinion of him but knowing the Pakistani selection track record I wouldn't hedge my bets on it. Already, the sentiment against him is growing and I'm reading about a certain Sharjeel Khan who is next in line to replace Shehzad as an opening bat.

Of course, why Shehzad (or Farhat or Hafeez or their ilk) don't improve through the domestic stuff is a larger issue with your cricket.
 
Varun said:
For some reason I've been watching Shehzad closer than some of your other bats since I just keep getting bored (read: sleepy) as the night wears on in these Windies games, in terms of IST.

I think the equation's pretty simple, he needs a score in the final outing. Otherwise it's the end of his career for the next year at least. Yeah sure you can argue that he should be given the Zimbabwe tour as well to cement an opinion of him but knowing the Pakistani selection track record I wouldn't hedge my bets on it. Already, the sentiment against him is growing and I'm reading about a certain Sharjeel Khan who is next in line to replace Shehzad as an opening bat.

Of course, why Shehzad (or Farhat or Hafeez or their ilk) don't improve through the domestic stuff is a larger issue with your cricket.
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i will be surprised that even after a good knock he is kept and TBH after this comeback i highly doubt there will be another.
 
saiyan0312 said:
we have a bowling coach but not a batting coach that knows such flaws and how to ractify them. this is a major requirement.
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all this bowling, batting, and potty training coaches is a recent trend.
we have a coach....and we have a player...who has the same deficiencies despite having played under different coaches, and captains.
says more about the player....he needs to pick up his game...or he will miss out the easy ride to zimbabwe.
 
he needs to pick up his game
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He needs to work on his weaknesses. he cant pick up his game until he ractifies this huge flaw. If the ball is swinging and you cant play like umer then why not play like jamsheed did in england or misbah does. take it slow and give a great start and then try to attack.

i think he has already missed the easy ride to zimbabwe and if you cant play even an inch of swing then they will also eat you out.
 
Ahmed Shehzad - What A Stylish Batsman!

So the conclusion: he is not 'next big thing' as some claimed...?
 
saiyan0312 said:
Not unless he works on this swing flaw.... how did he score those centuries outside SC if he has such bad footing?
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Playing in the sub-continent against a side that is reasonably competitive in such conditions (like Lanka) is likely tougher than tonning up against an understrength New Zealand or West Indies on their postcard grounds.
 
sub-continent against a side
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not to mention sub continent bowlers know how to get some level of swing especially with the new ball. he needs to work on this weakness or find himself forever gone from peoples mind.
 
I think he is thinking too much in his mind, in the last game he should calm down and try to set in he was a bit unlucky in 3rd ODi when roach took that spectacular catch......
 
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Kianig89 said:
I think he is thinking too much in his mind, in the last game he should calm down and try to set in he was a bit unlucky in 3rd ODi when roach took that spectacular catch......
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I don't think its that.... hes premeditating and flashing too hard so cant deal with any late movement
 
He himself said no excuses so one more match left for him to prove himself.

He looks like Imran Nazir 2.0 which is he can plays some pretty shots but then get out once he gets to double figure. He is more and more looking like a T20 player and not good for ODI or Tests unless he learns to be able to stay in the middle.
 
A batsman with two many flaws to cover, too many gaps to fill.

Will never make it in the true sense.

With each passing day, my prediction regarding him being the next generation Farhat holds true.

He showed good promise as a youngster but was flawed one and a decade later, he is still very mediocre.

Bullet Drives back then kept backing him and said he will come good but he didn't.

Neither will Shehzad.


It takes only a few innings to sense someone special when you see one.
 
Very similar player to Hafeez. Will always be dodgy in the channel outside his off stump. Will be a good player against the short stuff, but dun by the ball just outside off stump.

If I was his domestic coach, I'd get him on the bowling matching and make him face a thousand deliveries in the channel outside off every day until he could middle every one if them. He's half a batsman at the moment.
 
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SOSami said:
Very similar player to Hafeez. Will always be dodgy in the channel outside his off stump. Will be a good player against the short stuff, but dun by the ball just outside off stump.

If I was his domestic coach, I'd get him on the bowling matching and make him face a thousand deliveries in the channel outside off every day until he could middle every one if them. He's half a batsman at the moment.
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Shahzads problem is more basic than Hafeez's.He premeditates and flashes to hard so there is no time to play quality late movement. With a technical adjustment he may improve.

Hafeez just doesnt have the hand eye coordination as he has had 120 games to learn against international bowling.
 
hopefully he does not go the Imran Nazire way, tonnes and tonnes of talent, but no brains
 
I don't know why folks call him 'aggressive' when his SR is languishing in the 60s.
 
Varun said:
I don't know why folks call him 'aggressive' when his SR is languishing in the 60s.
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He whacked the seamers around before he was suffocated by Narine. Completely clueless against him.
 
Shezza has been better today.

Ball hasnt swung so its been easier given his technique.

Done enough for another series?
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Shezza has been better today.

Ball hasnt swung so its been easier given his technique.

Done enough for another series?
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No IMO.

I'd keep him for T20s, but think Azhar should come in. Would like someone who can kind of play the new ball.
 
There's something very annoying about this guy. The look on his face, the way he tries to sidle up to other players from the opposition (like with Gayle today). And most of all the fact that he wants to be Afridi while possessing the charisma and abilities of an Amit Mishra.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Shezza has been better today.

Ball hasnt swung so its been easier given his technique.

Done enough for another series?
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He has been all at sea against the only quality bowler on show today.

Him scoring runs against Zimbabwe won't be much different than Farhat, Hafeez or Malik scoring against them.

For me Shehzad is a TTF - this is his 3rd stint in international cricket and I don't see much improvement if any.

He has poor shot selection, his technique is poor and is mentally fragile. Can't rotate strike either. I don't see him a batsman who would take his average past 30. At the most around 32-33 and his SR would continue to languish below 75.

I will really miss his fielding though.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Shahzads problem is more basic than Hafeez's.He premeditates and flashes to hard so there is no time to play quality late movement. With a technical adjustment he may improve.

Hafeez just doesnt have the hand eye coordination as he has had 120 games to learn against international bowling.
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Good analysis. Playing with softer hands today and he's looked pretty compact.

Wouldn't mind him playing like this all the time to be honest. Once he's settled into international cricket I'm sure the big shots would come naturally.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
He has been all at sea against the only quality bowler on show today.

Him scoring runs against Zimbabwe won't be much different than Farhat, Hafeez or Malik scoring against them.

For me Shehzad is a TTF.

He has poor shot selection, his technique is poor and is mentally fragile. I don't see him a batsman who would take his average past 30. At the most around 32-33 and his SR would continue to languish below 75.

I will really miss his fielding though.
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TTF is strong.

But im certainly not convinced about his technique.
 
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SOSami said:
Good analysis. Playing with softer hands today and he's looked pretty compact.

Wouldn't mind him playing like this all the time to be honest. Once he's settled into international cricket I'm sure the big shots would come naturally.
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It's interesting to see that... hopefully he continues that way.

I personally think he has done enough for another series at least.
 
Okay, how many more failed series and more failed comebacks (he has 3 already) would it take for you to be convinced that he is a TTF?

Well fine give him the SA and SL series as well in UAE. A matter of few months only.

If he continues to like this then maybe he'd be a certified TTF for everyone.

But for me, he is the new Farhat.
 
sachjinn said:
There's something very annoying about this guy. The look on his face, the way he tries to sidle up to other players from the opposition (like with Gayle today). And most of all the fact that he wants to be Afridi while possessing the charisma and abilities of an Amit Mishra.
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Wow, that's the exact description of Shezza's look alike, Virat Kohli.
 
very limited batsman bring on Khurram Manzoor. Don't get fooled by the 50 its been a Farhat type knock.
 
sachjinn said:
There's something very annoying about this guy. The look on his face, the way he tries to sidle up to other players from the opposition (like with Gayle today). And most of all the fact that he wants to be Afridi while possessing the charisma and abilities of an Amit Mishra.
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Mishra has more ability than Afridi if you ask me.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
It's interesting to see that... hopefully he continues that way.

I personally think he has done enough for another series at least.
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It's a normal thing to do for a youngster - come in and establish yourself before trying to blast international quality bowlers.

Also, a lot of his battles are in his head methinks. He seems to want too much, takes liberties.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
Okay, how many more failed series and more failed comebacks (he has 3 already) would it take for you to be convinced that he is a TTF?

Well fine give him the SA and SL series as well in UAE. A matter of few months only.

If he continues to like this then maybe he'd be a certified TTF for everyone.

But for me, he is the new Farhat.
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Two centuries at age 19 shows upside potential.

The fiffy today was good.

You need at least 70odd games without getting to 35 average to be a certified TTF.
 
endymion248 said:
Wow, that's the exact description of Shezza's look alike, Virat Kohli.
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Well Kohli was annoying (at least to me) in the first year of his cricket. He was then dropped on his butt and on his return sobered down by the presence of guys like Yuvi. He then went on to plunder runs over the next couple of years to make any further shenanigans on the field tolerable.

Nowadays he hardly gets in people's faces and limits himself to being expressive which is perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned.
 
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sachjinn said:
Well Kohli was equally annoying (at least to me) in the first year of his cricket. He was then dropped on his butt and on his return sobered down by the presence of guys like Yuvi. He then went on to plunder runs over the next couple of years to make any further shenanigans on the field tolerable.

Nowadays he hardly gets in people's faces and limits himself to being expressive which is perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned.
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He was worse than Shehzad at the same age, though. Shehzad will sober down too with time.
 
endymion248 said:
He was worse than Shehzad at the same age, though. Shehzad will sober down too with time.
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The problem with Shehzad is that of an ok player with aspirations well beyond his abilities. When attitude is a coverup for limitations, it becomes a problem.

Surely there is no way you truly believe this guy can pull off a Kohli with the bat.
 
SOSami said:
It's a normal thing to do for a youngster - come in and establish yourself before trying to blast international quality bowlers.

Also, a lot of his battles are in his head methinks. He seems to want too much, takes liberties.
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But I'd rather that than a youngster that's too timid.

Yes he is raw and needs development but there is something to work with.

Not convinced he will make it. .. but definitely worthy of persisting with him.

He has 2 more centuries than Misbah. :)
 
sachjinn said:
The problem with Shehzad is that of an ok player with aspirations well beyond his abilities. When attitude is a coverup for limitations, it becomes a problem.

Surely there is no way you truly believe this guy can pull off a Kohli with the bat.
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Kholi is not an opener!
 
good knock.. but that shot was not needed. should have carried on. well lets hope he gets selected again for the next tour. that shot dissapointed me but hope he carries on.
 
Ugly knock, booked his place for the next tour but should have done more after taking so much time and running out his partner
 
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