Ahmed Shehzad [The Mega Discussion Thread]

[DarkLord]

There is a poster called CricketAnalyst would would take that because he wants 10 other batsmen to do the job instead of the guy who does 6 of 2 balls.

According to him the guy who plays 6 off 2 balls didn't stop the others from scoring so he is a good player.

According to him the guy who strikes 10 of 3 balls in most of the matches is the biggest match winner while the guy who scores 50 off 65 balls has wasted 15 balls which 10 other batsmen could use.

He also thinks not everyone should bat like 6 of 2 balls guy, but only one particular guy should be given that leverage.

He also feels that despite that guy being a repeated failure, where his role is to actually make 30 odd runs but he departs for 31 zeroes and perhaps 100 below 10 scores in his career , he should be kept in the team because of the usefulness of letting others do the scoring when he himself fails.

It's so hard to find such type of batsmen according to CricketAnalyst.

What a true match winner

Wonderful post, Afridi is the most inconsistent, mindless and irresponsible player I've seen in World Cricket, but Pro Afridi fans aren't able to accept this fact and always brag about his attacking and aggressive nature even if it jeopardizes his teams position at crucial juncture of the match and how many times we've seen it over and over again from the mindless and dumb slogger. I think its time now for selectors to seriously consider Afridi's position in the team as his bowling form (which he considers his prime arsenal) is also decaying with each passing game and some youngster preferably an allrounder like Hammad Azam should be promoted and hence put Afridi out of his misery for the good before WC ending the eternal torture which we fans witness every time he comes out to Bat.

 

[Mamoon]

If you don't rate that knock, you know zilch about cricket and I will not continue with this debate.

If you are putting down a 100 in a match winning cause then you seriously need medical help.

Yes yes, run away now.

A knock is not a watch winning one just because the team won; its a true match winning knock only if it directly contributes to the win and Shehzad tried his very best to make us lose that match. His dismissal was a true blessing for us which really shows how great that innings was.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Yes yes, run away now.

A knock is not a watch winning one just because the team won; its a true match winning knock only if it directly contributes to the win and Shehzad tried his very best to make us lose that match. His dismissal was a true blessing for us which really shows how great that innings was.

Let me ask you this one last question.

Would PAK have chased down 300 without Shehzad hundred?

 

[Mamoon]

Would Pakistan have put on all those totals (good or bad) over the last couple of years without Misbah's contribution (most runs in the world in 2013 ?)

Hafeez was striking the ball beautifully but had to take undue risks because of Shehzad's selfishness. He departed after scoring at a strike rate of 94 while Shehzad was tuk tuking at 60.

Hafeez alone is more than good enough for Bangladesh attack on that pitch so yes we would have won that match without Shehzad.

 

[Bilal7]

Needs to score more quickly during the powerplay. I can see him averaging 35-38 while striking at a rate of 80-85 if he puts more effort in.

Partnering with Fawad will help him in this regard. He can score quickly knowing that Alam will drop anchor.

 

[Aman]

Shehzad is a player every team would like to have... playing against them

 

[Haroon786]

Opening is the best batting position in ODIs.

For Pakistani fans it's the most difficult position to bat at- honestly I don't understand this stupid mindset, I'm watching Rahane and Dhawan playing risk free and going at 5.5 RR.

 

[Mamoon]

Shehzad is not good enough to bat a healthy rate without taking risks.

 

[Haroon786]

Would much rather see 23 (15) than 10 (21) from an opener in this era.

 

[Haroon786]

He doesn't belong in international cricket, can't tolerate him losing matches every time he goes out to bat.

 

[Haroon786]

Shehzad is a player every team would like to have... playing against them

I would much rather have Masakadza in my team than Shezzy.

 

[Haroon786]

Needs to score more quickly during the powerplay. I can see him averaging 35-38 while striking at a rate of 80-85 if he puts more effort in.

Partnering with Fawad will help him in this regard. He can score quickly knowing that Alam will drop
anchor.

He doesn't anchor the innings, he legitimately can't score faster because he isn't good enough.

 

[Bilal7]

He doesn't anchor the innings, he legitimately can't score faster because he isn't good enough.

He had a reputation for being an aggressive player when he first came onto the scene but as time went one, he became slower and slower.

 

[Mamoon]

That reputation was fueled by his arrogant attitude and bootlicking of Afridi, not by his batting.

Other than a few knocks, he has generally been defensive throughout his career so far.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Despite his limited ability I expect his batting to improve in the next couple of years. I don't give a damn about attitude though.

 

[Fahdi]

If you don't rate that knock, you know zilch about cricket and I will not continue with this debate.

If you are putting down a 100 in a match winning cause then you seriously need medical help.

103 off 123 balls while chasing 320+ that too against Bangladesh is nothing praise worthy. It was in no way a good innings.

 

[Fahdi]

He had a reputation for being an aggressive player when he first came onto the scene but as time went one, he became slower and slower.

Against fast bowlers he is alright, cant attack spinners.

 

[leatherface58]

Shehzad has big flaws in his technique but he is the best you got. He has the habit of pushing on and getting big scores. So if he can build on it, you can have a good opener.

 

[Haroon786]

He had a reputation for being an aggressive player when he first came onto the scene but as time went one, he became slower and slower.

What reputation ?

His average and SR was even worse before his comeback.

 

[Haroon786]

Despite his limited ability I expect his batting to improve in the next couple of years. I don't give a damn about attitude though.

You have to have the correct mind set to improve, with his attitude his batting won't improve.

 

[Haroon786]

Shehzad has big flaws in his technique but he is the best you got. He has the habit of pushing on and getting big scores. So if he can build on it, you can have a good opener.

Even if it is costing us matches ?

 

[Haz95]

with shehzad..
you either get 36@115sr with like 6 fours and 1 six- indicating an inability of strike rotation meaning he must slog
OR
you get 100@73sr with like 9 fours and 1 six- again indicating an inability to rotate the strike however since its a big score, he can't risk slogging either therefore a mediocre strike rate

Whether you think thats good for Pak or nah is your opinion.

 

[Haroon786]

Moeen Ali is a naturally aggressive player not Shezhad.

 

[steelo green]

He is 22 years old, we have had putrid players and he is miles ahead of all of them, yet we want to drop him #pakistanlogic

 

[JibranAnsari]

You have to have the correct mind set to improve, with his attitude his batting won't improve.

What mindset?

He is trying to improve , gives value to his wicket.

He has started scoring runs and i believe his SR will improve with time and understanding.

 

[sunnykhan]

yeah dhoni's is also inflated but you think fawad is anywhere close to dhoni...bringing dhoni here is pointless........fawad doesn't impress me, he is a slightly better version of misbah....he won't go far in odis better try him in test matches

I just stated a fact. Where have I compared them as players? . You are the most emotional Indian poster on this forum.

ATM.

He has played only 5 matches since his return.

But it certainly negates your point that Shehzad being the best in the country as Fawad's record in domestic is way better than Shehzad. So it was nothing else apart from exaggeration.

 

[hefaith]

I can easily see Shezad as someone who can average around 44+ in ODI if he continues his hunger for runs, as Pakistan gets better batsmen and he cements his permanent place in the team, he can easily strike at 85+

 

[Haroon786]

You have to have the correct mind set to improve, with his attitude his batting won't improve.

Called it a while back, with his sorry attitude he is an absolute disgrace to the past legends that have worn the Pakistan jersey- hopefully this was the last time we have seen him anywhere near the national team, good riddance.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Called it a while back, with his sorry attitude he is an absolute disgrace to the past legends that have worn the Pakistan jersey- hopefully this was the last time we have seen him anywhere near the national team, good riddance.

He is young and you will see him getting in and out of the team so many times before he hangs his boots. And this is my prediction.

 

[Haroon786]

He is young and you will see him getting in and out of the team so many times before he hangs his boots. And this is my prediction.

Probably will.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Needs to play county cricket or some other cricket abroad and improve the basics of the game, hes been around pakistan team now for 6 years or so and cant even do basics right, he needs to go away and work on his game before hes given any sort of recall or run in pakistan side again.

 

[Mamoon]

Awful cricketer, good that people have finally realized.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Awful cricketer, good that people have finally realized.

sadly some people dont see things straight away like me and you!

 

[Mamoon]

sadly some people dont see things straight away like me and you!

They can't.

 

[Neferpitou]

I'm not sure it has ended yet.

 

[in_cutter]

Can't believe how much he has regressed. I doubt there is a quick fix.

 

[godzilla]

but but but but what about the centuries?

 

[Mamoon]

Have said it a thousand times already and will say it again - he is the Upul Tharanga of Pakistan in ODIs. The similarities are strikingly similar, if you choose to ignore the attitude problems.

Won't get 170+ games though, that's for sure. He should count himself lucky and blessed if he gets to play 100 ODIs.

 

[Amad]

He can't rotate strike to save his life, his 60 SR starts mean that Pakistan are on the back foot straightaway and his 75 SR 50s only serve to preserve his place in the side and not to win the game for his country.

You might think this is a knee jerk reaction to his disgraceful dismissal which has precipitated this thread, but no this has been on my mind for a long time and not only does he deserve to be booted out of the team, but only be brought back when he can score at 85 SR, his dot play is a plague to Pakistan Cricket, that needs to be eradicated soon if there is any chance of success at the WC and future competition.

The selectors still have an opportunity, drop him and pick a much more deserving player, or regret for the next generation.Q

Another pak batsman wasted. Maybe he didn't study and improve his game. Maybe he didn't make good plans against opposition bowlers. Maybe he wasn't good enough

 

[Sherlock]

Oh the insults that picture can get

Nice smile though!

 

[axl100mph]

Have said it a thousand times already and will say it again - he is the Upul Tharanga of Pakistan in ODIs. The similarities are strikingly similar, if you choose to ignore the attitude problems.

Won't get 170+ games though, that's for sure. He should count himself lucky and blessed if he gets to play 100 ODIs.

U really r making a big call. R u sure there is no chance for him redeeming himself?

 

[axl100mph]

Oh the insults that picture can get

Nice smile though!

The connotations r quite obscene and tempting for some (given what mamoon looks like)

 

[Haroon786]

Awful cricketer, good that people have finally realized.

90% still haven't.

 

[Sherlock]

This.

Why are you quoting yourself?

 

[Haroon786]

Why are you quoting yourself?

Was startled by the honesty of the post.

 

[Sherlock]

I guess it doesn't happen often then

 

[Haroon786]

^ Nice sig update.

 

[wasimjunior]

Credit goes to OP. Solid 3 months ahead the rest of us. Well done

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Will captain Pakistan in future at some point.

Best batsmen to emerge since the corrupt Salman Butt.

Give him time.

He's 23.

 

[angrypathan]

Will captain Pakistan in future at some point.

Best batsmen to emerge since the corrupt Salman Butt.

Give him time.

He's 23.

Do you think he will overcome his attitude problems, his deeply embedded narcissism, and his limited ability to rotate the strike?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Do you think he will overcome his attitude problems, his deeply embedded narcissism, and his limited ability to rotate the strike?

No one had problems at 23?

People change and grow.

Not everyone is a superstar at 16 or 17.

 

[axl100mph]

Will captain Pakistan in future at some point.

Best batsmen to emerge since the corrupt Salman Butt.

Give him time.

He's 23.

Nah, that ain't happening or everybody would be pm' ing [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] to convince him of acquiring the custody of his profile after he jumps off some cliff, somewhere in Peshawar.
His stats should not go wasted u see

 

[axl100mph]

No one had problems at 23?

People change and grow.

Not everyone is a superstar at 16 or 17.

He is too dumb to grow into a better player.
First of all, he wont even be convinced that he has flaws, so overcoming them is a different story.
Once a narcissist, always a narcissist unless there is a spiritual awakening.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

He is too dumb to grow into a better player.
First of all, he wont even be convinced that he has flaws, so overcoming them is a different story.
Once a narcissist, always a narcissist unless there is a spiritual awakening.

When we can support convicted fixers like Amir back in the team, for being supremely talented surely there should be no drawn line for a player whose only mistake is narcissism?

He can improve, my gut feeling.

 

[The_KING]

I don't even know what's wrong with being a narcissist. Some people here are perfect angels I guess.

 

[saeedhk]

I hope this is the end of him.

 

[Mir jibran]

Have said it a thousand times already and will say it again - he is the Upul Tharanga of Pakistan in ODIs. The similarities are strikingly similar, if you choose to ignore the attitude problems.

Won't get 170+ games though, that's for sure. He should count himself lucky and blessed if he gets to play 100 ODIs.

Why cant his career end now ?
hes only averaging 34 !
Yasir hameed And Salim elahi almost played the same no of odis and averaged better than Ahmed
Its better if Ahmed trys to concentrate on tests.

 

[Haroon786]

Credit goes to OP. Solid 3 months ahead the rest of us. Well done

Thanks.

 

[Haroon786]

Shezhad is not just a narcissist, I couldn't care less what his personality was if he was winning matches for Pakistan, but the fact is that he's a match lower and hence why I can't stand him in the team.

 

[jog_1]

I never cared about his attitude as long as he scored runs at a good SR.

Unfortunately, he can't do that. Go watch Shehzad of 2010 against NZ. That batsmen was something else, fearless batsmen with all of the different shots. Idk what has happened to him, but now he's an inconsistent non-attacking batsmen.

Especially after that T20 knock against Bangladesh, he was rightfully dropped.

He needs to spend a year minimum in domestic and improve his strike rotation before I would even consider him again.

 

[Pantani]

Have said it a thousand times already and will say it again - he is the Upul Tharanga of Pakistan in ODIs. The similarities are strikingly similar, if you choose to ignore the attitude problems.

Won't get 170+ games though, that's for sure. He should count himself lucky and blessed if he gets to play 100 ODIs.

At least Tharanga, for his many, many faults, has a lovely cover drive. He's been a batsman worth watching for the attractiveness of his strokeplay, so sometimes, especially when others batted well to negate his failure, you felt you got your worth even if he made 12 (25) as long as he scored a couple of boundaries. I don't think the same can be said about Shehzad, though he doesn't benefit from having Jayasuriya etc. to cover up his mistakes.

 

[axl100mph]

I never cared about his attitude as long as he scored runs at a good SR.

Unfortunately, he can't do that. Go watch Shehzad of 2010 against NZ. That batsmen was something else, fearless batsmen with all of the different shots. Idk what has happened to him, but now he's an inconsistent non-attacking batsmen.

Especially after that T20 knock against Bangladesh, he was rightfully dropped.

He needs to spend a year minimum in domestic and improve his strike rotation before I would even consider him again.

Even then he was premeditating his shots including those over midwicket, fine leg and cover when he just goes into slog mode.

When he starts playing normal cricket, he becomes devoid of options as he has a weak legside game and doesnt rotate strike which is why his success rate is not going to be high.

 

[msb314]

I never cared about his attitude as long as he scored runs at a good SR.

Unfortunately, he can't do that. Go watch Shehzad of 2010 against NZ. That batsmen was something else, fearless batsmen with all of the different shots. Idk what has happened to him, but now he's an inconsistent non-attacking batsmen.

Especially after that T20 knock against Bangladesh, he was rightfully dropped.

He needs to spend a year minimum in domestic and improve his strike rotation before I would even consider him again.

I would gladly take the Ahmed Shehzad of 2014 over him - our highest run scorer in ODI's that year....

 

[Zohaib Shah]

Future Tendulkar for sure.

 

[badsha001]

i'd rather take umar akmal over this guy who refuses to fix his flaws

 

[zabalestmsm]

He is more talented than Sachin!

 

[Syed1]

He is more talented than Sachin!

Only in taking selfies

 

[Haroon786]

Bump.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Was playing beautifully today.

I hope the 'torture' will NEVER end for PP

 

[Haroon786]

I agree, what a beautiful innings - will probably win the match for Pakistan.

 

[b.lesner]

ahmed selfie shehzad and umar tailender akmal have tortured us for so many years now on the basis of fake talent.

 

[Haroon786]

Personally, I think if he can still take quality selfies, then he should remain in the team.

 

[hadi123]

yet another failure

 

[Haroon786]

Would like to see the views of PP'ers on Shezhad, when he no longer has his over inflated average a year from now.

 

[Amjid Javed]

exposed once again all series as a mediocre player and opener, the sooner we dump him hafeez, shan masood as well the better.

 

[Kianig89]

haters goonna hate Shehzad is in ODI squad as well

 

[srh]

That was just bad luck

 

[b.lesner]

keep suffering

 

[saeedhk]

Need to get rid of this hack asap.A tailender at best!

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[11ShadyBrothers]

Pathetic performance in this test match. Very disappointing.