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Ahmed Shehzad [The Mega Discussion Thread]

I'm not sure.
He should not have been dropped in the first place, unless it was for discipline in which case he should not have been bought back so soon.
It is between him and Hafeez now anyway- so one of them has perished.
 
Shouldn't play the next test series. Simple as. Shan Masood has cemented his place. Maybe Babar Azam can replace Shehzad?
 
On that forum i dont know who makes the thread against shahzad almost everyday only for the sake of criticism and i am pretty sure there is some personal agenda going for sure may b shahzad refused for autograph or may be interview ...but i am very happy to read that the people on that forum are not fool they are having a true knowledge of a game thats y they akways come up with truth base facts and they always come up with truth ,,,,i m not saying that he performed extra ordinary these days but he will in near future for sure ....😊i am a big fan of shahzad but a bigger fan and supporter of pak cri...so plz stop being against one person and come up with some positives ...
 
Love how when limited posters can't refute arguments against Shezhad, they then resort to personal attacks.
 
He is getting a chance due to the injury to Harris. Let's see if he can make anything of this second life after world cup failures.
 
This is getting all too frequent now, Shezhad needs to go and unfortunately the selectors and the team management are not heeding our sane words.
 
He should be dropped so he can take up a career taking selfies as thats only thing hes good at!
 
The funny thing is he got to the strike rate of near 70 and a score of 30 only cuz of the 5 overthrows that were gifted.to him.

Mediocre limited batsman.

Atleast Umar Akmal has the talent and the shots and lacks temperament and brains so you can be an optimist and hope for something in the future.But for Shehzad this is his level and is where he belongs
 
Thread title didn't need a change, it was perfectly appropriate.
 
painful to watch his extremes. either too many dots or too over reliant on boundaries which he rarely gets. Need to make babar/hafeez open with azhar when haris sohail returns
 
At this point, really what is the justification for playing him? He's not that good right now and he's had a lot of opportunities. I'm not saying discard him forever. But Shehzad isn't improving. At this point post-WC every other batsman had an impressive or meaningful inning. He has not. At some point, you have to move on to another option and hope the guy can figure it out himself.

There is NO reason to not play Mukhtar. Look at what Perera did in just 5 innings. It put us on a back foot we almost couldn't recover from. Dilshan played the perfect supporting role, which Azhar can easily do.
 
He is NOT finished, but needs a break.

Team should be:

Babar, Azhar, Rizwan, Hafeez, Malik, Mukhtar, Sarfaraz, Imad as top 8.
 
Bullet Drive said:
He is NOT finished, but needs a break.
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I agree. I don't know why it has to be all or nothing with Shehzad and his fans. Saying he needs to give up his spot right now doesn't mean throw him away forever. But it does mean that right now he doesn't deserve it, and he doesn't own that spot. There are opening options for Pakistan, and it's not really helping the team to just run Shehzad out there every match with no sign that he's improving on anything.
 
Needs to focus on Tests.

Dont be amazed when a certain experienced captain drafts him in for the T20 part of the tour too.
 
cricketInsight said:
Needs to focus on Tests.

Dont be amazed when a certain experienced captain drafts him in for the T20 part of the tour too.
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I think he averaged 20 odd against SL in the Test series, imagine how he'll fare against more potent bowling attacks in their own backyards!
 
The other issue with Shehzad playing (other than actually having him bat, which is painful right now) is that it pushes down everyone and clogs the middle order. Hafeez is now 3rd, if Haris comes back he's 4th, so either Babar gets dropped entirely, which seems unfair in favor of Shehzad getting more time), Malik 5th, sarfaraz/Rizwan 6th, maybe they both play and they get us to 7th? Then not enough bowling because we don't have an all rounder or a big hitter at 7th.

Not only does his presence at the top of the order suck any dynamism out of the beginning of the innings, it also has a domino effect down the order with the lineup we have.

When Haris comes back and if Hafeez passes his test, he has to open with Azhar, it's the only way to get balance. For this series, play Mukhtar with Azhar.
 
Yep, out of all the current batters we have in ODIs, Sezhad is comfortably the most dispensable one.
 
Shehzad would be so much better if he didn't give his wicket away and used his feet more.
 
WC-Passion said:
Shehzad would be so much better if he didn't give his wicket away and used his feet more.
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and didnt play dot balls and play shots straight at fielders.

lol wouldnt every batsman be better if they didnt give their wicket away!
 
cricketInsight said:
Needs to focus on Tests.

Dont be amazed when a certain experienced captain drafts him in for the T20 part of the tour too.
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Shehzad is actually a very good hitter, and that's how he first got noticed. It's since he started to try and become a man for all seasons he has gone downhill. T20 is probably the best format for him right now.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Shehzad is actually a very good hitter, and that's how he first got noticed. It's since he started to try and become a man for all seasons he has gone downhill. T20 is probably the best format for him right now.
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This is one thing that I've never understood, when was Shezhad a hitter ? His ODI SR has always been hovering around the 65-70 since his debut, when was he a hitter ? Certainly never in the Test and ODI formats.
 
Haroon786 said:
This is one thing that I've never understood, when was Shezhad a hitter ? His ODI SR has always been hovering around the 65-70 since his debut, when was he a hitter ? Certainly never in the Test and ODI formats.
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The first time I saw Shehzad he smashed a ODI century in pretty good time. Maybe I just caught him on a good day and my view has been coloured by that innings ever since. Since then he seems to have gone into his shell and he doesn't look any better for it.
 
Ahmed Shehzad needs to be dropped from the ODI side. Azhar Ali should open with our best batsman from this year's WC; Sarfraz. It's messed up from Waqar to demote him from an opener to a number 7 when he's been performing so well on the biggest stage.

As for Tests, I believe every player deserves a fair chance to prove themselves. Thus far Ahmed has averaged 43 in all the tests he has played but what annoys me about him is the fact he never learns from his usual mode of dismissal (caught behind), where he never moves his feet to the full pitched deliveries outside his off stump.
 
Slog said:
and didnt play dot balls and play shots straight at fielders.

lol wouldnt every batsman be better if they didnt give their wicket away!
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In the first game he didn't hit shots straight to the fielders that much, but tried to hit everything wide without moving his feet which ended his innings.

And by give wicket away, I mean don't give it away after getting 30-40 runs. It's something Haris did before but now he's improved.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The first time I saw Shehzad he smashed a ODI century in pretty good time. Maybe I just caught him on a good day and my view has been coloured by that innings ever since. Since then he seems to have gone into his shell and he doesn't look any better for it.
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Must be that.
 
If hafeez or Ahmed don't score in next 3 games one of then will surely be dropped from the squad for tri series. Most probably it would be Ahmed unless he scores now .
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The first time I saw Shehzad he smashed a ODI century in pretty good time. Maybe I just caught him on a good day and my view has been coloured by that innings ever since. Since then he seems to have gone into his shell and he doesn't look any better for it.
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that ODI century in NZ in 2010-11 was a fluke it seems now and once in a blue moon innings at best
 
Ahmed Shehzad needs to be dropped from Pak team in all formats

He just ain't scoring enough runs & is not playing his natural game that is aggressive so it's time Pak give chance to Mukhtar Ahmed & Sami Aslam.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Shehzad is actually a very good hitter, and that's how he first got noticed. It's since he started to try and become a man for all seasons he has gone downhill. T20 is probably the best format for him right now.
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I agree with you captain. Dont listen to [MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION]. I would like to see him proving that shehzad had a sr hovering around 65-70. Which is a lie. Also i love how they conveniently skip the part where other openers have a strike rate of less than 80 too. No excuses for shehzad though. He needs to score big in at least one of the three next big games otherwise he is a drop from my side.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
I agree with you captain. Dont listen to [MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION]. I would like to see him proving that shehzad had a sr hovering around 65-70. Which is a lie. Also i love how they conveniently skip the part where other openers have a strike rate of less than 80 too. No excuses for shehzad though. He needs to score big in at least one of the three next big games otherwise he is a drop from my side.
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[MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION], [MENTION=59284]stallion[/MENTION]_ and [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION], could you check what Shezhad's ODI SR was before he made his comeback in 2013.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
I agree with you captain. Dont listen to [MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION]. I would like to see him proving that shehzad had a sr hovering around 65-70. Which is a lie. Also i love how they conveniently skip the part where other openers have a strike rate of less than 80 too. No excuses for shehzad though. He needs to score big in at least one of the three next big games otherwise he is a drop from my side.
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Other openers may too have a low SR, but then they are never a 5-10 match run in ODIs, unlike Shezhad.
 
Haroon786 said:
[MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION], [MENTION=59284]stallion[/MENTION]_ and [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION], could you check what Shezhad's ODI SR was before he made his comeback in 2013.
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Shahzad before comeback

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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting




Shahzad after comeback

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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting


Use 'Stallion__' to tag me bro not 'stallion_'
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Has raised asked the question about what role is assigned to Shehzad by team Mgmt? My feeling is that team management has asked him to play conservatively considering that he was aggressive in the past.

The idea is that the team mgmt may not see his low SR as a problem.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
So, i was right [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]. shehzad's SR after come back is around 74 and before that it was around 70. So much for 65-70. Liar. [MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION] :))
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69.89 is in the 65-70 range, not my fault you can't figure that out. After his combat his SR is 73, which considering his average is quite pathetic to say the least, just indicates that he is selfish and the runs that he does get are due to him being overly cautious.
 
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So, they are excused due to that?
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Name them, who are you on about ? If it's Jamshed then I think he has a SR of over 80, Hafeez since his comeback in 2010 when opening has been 80+ and Azhar has been cruising as well.
 
cricketInsight said:
Has raised asked the question about what role is assigned to Shehzad by team Mgmt? My feeling is that team management has asked him to play conservatively considering that he was aggressive in the past.

The idea is that the team mgmt may not see his low SR as a problem.
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thats a lie

he was never a batsman who could score quickly

he has consistently hovered around the 70 SR throughout his career from 2009 to now

mediocre batsman with a limited skill set

unlike umar akmal who genuinely has a good reportoire of shots and ability but fails to use it due to a lack of brain and temperament, this IS Shehzad's level.
 
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Cpt. Rishwat said:
Shehzad is actually a very good hitter, and that's how he first got noticed. It's since he started to try and become a man for all seasons he has gone downhill. T20 is probably the best format for him right now.
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This is a big misconception. I rarely ever saw him striking at a good rate. He heaved the ball and played some mishits etc and eventually would get out. There would be like 1 good shot out of 5 tries. He's never naturally played at a high strike rate (by naturally, I mean, someone who comes in and just seems to cruise along at a run a ball without much effort or find the boundary easily to keep things ticking).
 
Another failure, but a 40 odd striking @ 80 is probably enough to get him another game.
 
Just wish he is axed from the ODI team. Too slow. We have other openers in Hafeez and Sarfaraz who could do much better than this guy.
 
Ahmed Shehzad - Can he continue to hold his place in the team?

This thread should be renamed to ahmed shehzad bashing thread or ahmed shehzad hate club. Caustic thread.

The OP bumps it after every shehzad innings and always provides his excuses to prove that how it has been a failure irrespective of if the innings was good or bad. Poor stuff.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
Another failure? :)))

God. This got to be worst OP in recent times. He cant even hide his bias. Was showing that on commentary thread too.
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Please view my post in the commentary thread, was solely based on what score we would end up making and you're making this is a habit now, lying seems to be your fortè.

As for my bias, yes I'm against a player who isn't international standard and who despite failing thinks he's good enough to be in the team.
 
Bumping this thread after every Shezhad innings is not a reflection on me, but the player, due to his continued failure which justifies my strong rhetoric on him not deserving his place in any of our teams.
 
Customary awful start, recovered well and then a truly ordinary dismissal.

He is just not improving as a batsman, in spite of being the most well treated young cricketer in the last two and a half years.

As far as 'can he continue to hold his place in the team' goes, let's not forget that he has lost his place in the ODI XI already, and is playing at the moment only because Haris is injured, who is going to slot in at 3 with Hafeez opening with Azhar.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
This thread should be renamed to ahmed shehzad bashing thread or ahmed shehzad hate club. Caustic thread.

The OP bumps it after every shehzad innings and always provides his excuses to prove that how it has been a failure irrespective of if the innings was good or bad. Poor stuff.
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tbh nothing wrong with the thread. They exist for every player

Maybe shehzad should give OP no reason to bump it considering its being bumped every match he plays.

Anyways i said today was a good innings for Shehzad
 
Slog said:
tbh nothing wrong with the thread. They exist for every player

Maybe shehzad should give OP no reason to bump it considering its being bumped every match he plays.

Anyways i said today was a good innings for Shehzad
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I know. It was a good innings. All agree with it except the OP. Like i said he bashes him irrespective of the performance. Such obsession is sickening. I have no issue with criticism of any player. However, unfair criticism is bound to be pointed out.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
I know. It was a good innings. All agree with it except the OP. Like i said he bashes him irrespective of the performance. Such obsession is sickening. I have no issue with criticism of any player. However, unfair criticism is bound to be pointed out.
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yea i guess.

But shehzad should have made it count and scored a big one so its an improvement on previous performances but certainly not optimal.
 
Slog said:
yea i guess.

But shehzad should have made it count and scored a big one so its an improvement on previous performances but certainly not optimal.
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Not optimal without doubt. He is known to have one of the best conversion rates. Has gone against his own legacy in recent times. Needs to fix that.
 
Why can't we try Mukhtar or promote someone upto the order.

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This was much better from Shehzad, but honestly at this point, I think he needs a brilliant innings to change peoples' mind. He's really just not doing much special. This tour is an example - some really poor innings/dismissals, a couple of 40 scores. In general, I don't think it's enough to convince people that he's really learned or improved, you know? In many ways it's typical of Shehzad - he's been just fine enough to keep getting selected, but does he deserve it above everyone who could potentially provide more dynamic starts? I don't think so.

Basically what I'm saying is that I don't think he's done anything to really prove people who have criticisms wrong, and that's the ultimate issue. No one is saying that he isn't good or capable of occasionally scoring 40 runs. But he hasn't shown an ability to take it to the next level, to improve on his obvious faults, and that does seem to be an issue.

It seems that each batsman in this lineup has scored in the last few ODIs a really great innings, except Shehzad. He had a perfectly fine inning, but he needs some GREAT inning. He really does seem in a rut and could maybe benefit from a break.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
I know. It was a good innings. All agree with it except the OP. Like i said he bashes him irrespective of the performance. Such obsession is sickening. I have no issue with criticism of any player. However, unfair criticism is bound to be pointed out.
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Odd considering you hate Babar Azam.
 
Slog said:
yea i guess.

But shehzad should have made it count and scored a big one so its an improvement on previous performances but certainly not optimal.
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Shehzad has a tendancy of throwing his wicket away once he reaches 30s and 40s. After all the hard work he throws his wicket so easily. Coach really needs to have a word with him.
 
Don't think he'll be opening if and when Haris returns. Unless he puts up a big score in this series I see Hafeez shifting up to open with Haris slotting back in at 3.
 
MRSN said:
Shehzad has a tendancy of throwing his wicket away once he reaches 30s and 40s. After all the hard work he throws his wicket so easily. Coach really needs to have a word with him.
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I get that, but it isn't like he's like striking @100 and looking like a million dollars a la Umar Akmal and having a brain fade and getting out; for Shezhad he's barely getting these scores, scratching and clawing his way to 30 odd and getting out.
 
Shehzad will be dropped for Harris I think once he comes back unless he scores big in the next two games.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
So where did haris sohail come out of nowhere? :))

You really are clutching at straws. Feel for you. First of all only today Slog and me discussed Shehzad in length. Mamoon didnt even comment. So, i dont know who is lying. Even when you quoted Slog he said that he played well today. Even cricfan14 said that he did fine and needs to do better. HAHAHA. Oh god. You really are a mess arent you nerdy boy? Give it up. You really got caught with your pants down today. A despicable hater. God help you. I am done.
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To be fair, I said he doesn't really deserve the chance to do better because he hasn't really shown that he's improving ;)
 
Haris is coming into the team now matter what.. And since hafeez is better than shehza, shehzad will be the first to be dropped as was in the zimbabwe series
 
aliasad1998 said:
Haris is coming into the team now matter what.. And since hafeez is better than shehza, shehzad will be the first to be dropped as was in the zimbabwe series
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Shehzad is better than our captain but that's a moot point. Captain can't be dropped so yeah he will hsve to make a way for Harris.
 
MRSN said:
Shehzad is better than our captain but that's a moot point. Captain can't be dropped.
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Haha is it a coincidence that the worst posters support shehzad. Dont bother arguing with people who dont know anything about cricket guys
 
aliasad1998 said:
Haha is it a coincidence that the worst posters support shehzad. Dont bother arguing with people who dont know anything about cricket guys
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Lol do you even see how Azhar has been batting this series? He makes up his mind on which shot he will play before the bowler even starts his run up and his running between the wickets is shocking. Shehzad looks ABDV when Azhar is batting with him, more composed, comfortable snd less dance on the pitch. Plays shots according to merit.
 
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