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Ahmed Shehzad [The Mega Discussion Thread]

Slog said:
He strikes clean but his shot placement sucks and always finds the fielders rather than the gaps. If he can fix this who knows.

And we all know about his inability to rotate the strike which ensures he will never be a top ODI player. And that is harder to fix than learning how to find gaps
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I think he would do better if he just tried to slog every other ball.
 
Haroon786 said:
I think he would do better if he just tried to slog every other ball.
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Yea that's what I'm saying. He will get out quickly anyway but we might get a 20(12) rather than 30(45) which for T20s is good
 
Slog said:
Yea that's what I'm saying. He will get out quickly anyway but we might get a 20(12) rather than 30(45) which for T20s is good
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Agreed - being a bit more Afridian might work out better.
 
Any selfies?

On topic..very limited LOI batsman. His fanboys seem to be quite of late.
 
He does have a T20 international century to his name, so Shehzad can definitely bat well in this format at times, and also belongs in the top order. He needs to find consistency. You need a guy like Shehzad opening the batting in one day and 20 over cricket, someone who can bat through the innings and make big scores.

However none of this makes him undroppable, if he is performing poorly then he has to be dropped.
 
Pantani said:
He does have a T20 international century to his name, so Shehzad can definitely bat well in this format at times, and also belongs in the top order. He needs to find consistency. You need a guy like Shehzad opening the batting in one day and 20 over cricket, someone who can bat through the innings and make big scores.

However none of this makes him undroppable, if he is performing poorly then he has to be dropped.
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Azhar has replaced him as the anchor at the top of the order in ODIs, and he is clearly a superior batsman, so he really doesn't belong in that format anymore.
 
Mamoon said:
Azhar has replaced him as the anchor at the top of the order in ODIs, and he is clearly a superior batsman, so he really doesn't belong in that format anymore.
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Okay, but Shehzad is only 23. Five years from now he could develop into a better batsman and come back into the ODI side to open with Azhar. I think because of his youth and because he has a few good knocks at international level in all formats, Shehzad should remain on the Pakistani selector's radar for the next 10 years. It's too soon to rule him out permanently from the team in any format.
 
Pantani said:
Okay, but Shehzad is only 23. Five years from now he could develop into a better batsman and come back into the ODI side to open with Azhar. I think because of his youth and because he has a few good knocks at international level in all formats, Shehzad should remain on the Pakistani selector's radar for the next 10 years. It's too soon to rule him out permanently from the team in any format.
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His attitude is a big problem as well. He can improve if he accepts that he is not good enough at the moment and needs to work on his batting a lot, but that does not seem to be the case.

Btw, he pretty much confirmed few weeks ago that he is 25-26.
 
Pretty much seen him fail every time i've watched him bat.

He was one if my players to look out for after he helped Pakistan win an ODI series in SA but seems to have deteriorated since.
 
Can't field Can't bat.

Not achieve, still the king.

Only one player is not under pressure when playing for the team. He is 1 in 11. I donot want to name him.

(I did a 'Mourinho' press conference on shelfie)

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This torture will continue in ODIs he is pathetic at rotation of strike and creates so much pressure at top


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I dont know how many times this has been discussed, but those first 15 deliveries which he defends confidently in odi's and t20s straight to cover....those result in a team total 12 for no loss after 5 overs.
Thereafter, it doesn't matter if he gets a pretty 50 at a strike rate of 90. The momentum is lost in the first 5 overs. This cant be allowed to go on. I am really really thankful that the next series is against England. Even on the easier pitches of UAE, I expect the England bowlers to put a few careers in suspension.
 
What a joker. 10 from 31 against Zimabwe!! Bila asif who is a bowling allrounder is teaching him how to bat
 
If somebody is deciding to play him, that somebody needs to get him to go up and over a lot more in the early overs to compensate for his poor single rate.

He has to be forced to do it if he can not take singles- or he needs to be dropped.

Not sure what the management is doing here. It has been 6 years?!
 
Azhar is here to stay as he's the captain and can bat at a SR of 85 whereas Shezhad is a liability even when in good form.
 
Haroon786 said:
Deserves to be sacked for his retweets.
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He should be fined at the very least.

Retweeting stuff against his home board and coach is highly immature, stupid, and unprofessional.

We have no need for such players to poison the dressing room. We need players with character, not players with a stinky attitude who try and act 'charismatic'.
 
hussain.r97 said:
He should be fined at the very least.

Retweeting stuff against his home board and coach is highly immature, stupid, and unprofessional.

We have no need for such players to poison the dressing room. We need players with character, not players with a stinky attitude who try and act 'charismatic'.
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Totally agree, just a shame that this individual even has fans.
 
he needs to go back to domestic cricket and come back the right way. Best would be to use his contacts and get an English or Australian contract
 
The reason Shehzad gets a lot of hate is because he's sportsman who overestimates his own abilities and thinks he should be handed everything.

I have no doubt in my mind he believes he's as good as players like KW, Kohli, Root etc.
 
Aman said:
The reason Shehzad gets a lot of hate is because he's sportsman who overestimates his own abilities and thinks he should be handed everything.

I have no doubt in my mind he believes he's as good as players like KW, Kohli, Root etc.
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it's the right mentality to have.
 
No.He is unsuitable for any sort of format and his kid-like behaviour and his immature antics further worsen everything.

Keep him away from cricket!

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axl100mph said:
Lol, that is subjective isnt it?
Lets keep his looks out of it coz compared to the rest of the team, he is atleast presentable.
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Personally, I don't think the same sex should judge your looks, however, when someone makes such a comment then you have to judge for yourself.
 
Aman said:
I have no doubt in my mind he believes he's as good as players like KW, Kohli, Root etc.
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He has compared himself to greats like Hayden, Tendulkar etc several times in the past. Not sure now but till the WC atleast, he genuinely believed he might be better than them
 
This thread is as caustic as it can get. Would suggest [MENTION=138836]WC-Passion[/MENTION] and the other sane posters to stay away from this nefarious thread. You can easily see the malicious intent of the OP every time its bumped. Over and out.
 
Haroon786 said:
No it isn't, how is it acceptable to believe that he's as good as those guys when he doesn't have half the output of those guys ?
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it is acceptable.

that's an attitude that most champions have. ask any sportsmen if they believe they are the best and most top level guys will say the same.
 
anuk said:
it is acceptable.

that's an attitude that most champions have. ask any sportsmen if they believe they are the best and most top level guys will say the same.
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Key phrases are 'champions' and 'top level guys' which isn't Shezhad, it would be OK if the likes of Smith, Root and Kohli say they are already the best because the fact is that they are the best both statistically and on peer review, the same can't be said about Shezhad who is mediocre.
 
Slog said:
^ in short Shahzadians stay away so you don't have to make ridiculous excuses for Shezzy boy?
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Some nerve to call everyone who shares a different point of view Shehzadians, expected better from you. :facepalm:

I'm not even a big fan of him but I think he deserved a chance. (Before all the ridiculous tweets)
 
WC-Passion said:
Some nerve to call everyone who shares a different point of view Shehzadians, expected better from you. :facepalm:

I'm not even a big fan of him but I think he deserved a chance. (Before all the ridiculous tweets)
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He asked 'sane' people to stay away from the thread and not respond to it. Being a big Shezzy supporter I guess everyone who doesn't think Shehzad is the best thing since sliced bread is not 'sane' for him. Btw if you go through this thread or some others I've been calling for him to be playing Tests and also admit that if he plays his game right then T20s too. But I will say that he is not an ODI player and his 70 matches are a confirmation of that view point largely.

Now what could be a reason to ask people to stay away from a thread?

The funny thing is that when Shafiq failed earlier or when Babar failed the other day he was among the first ones saying 'I told you so' and being gleeful in other threads. That is fine by me. But what really gets me is the hypocrisy here that he has a problem when people do the same thing Shehzad. Atleast be consistent.

'Caustic' and 'nefarious' and 'malicious intent.' Jeez! Get over yourself. It's not a Bollywood movie.

There is nothing wrong with the thread. And no there is no grand conspiracy to defame Shehzad. Even with his off field and Twitter antics, if he had been actually performing ON the pitch consistently he wouldn't be under the scanner this much.
 
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Slog said:
He asked 'sane' people to stay away from the thread and not respond to it. Being a big Shezzy supporter I guess everyone who doesn't think Shehzad is the best thing since sliced bread is not 'sane' for him. Btw if you go through this thread or some others I've been calling for him to be playing Tests and also admit that if he plays his game right then T20s too. But I will say that he is not an ODI player and his 70 matches are a confirmation of that view point largely.

Now what could be a reason to ask people to stay away from a thread?

The funny thing is that when Shafiq failed earlier or when Babar failed the other day he was among the first ones saying 'I told you so' and being gleeful in other threads. That is fine by me. But what really gets me is the hypocrisy here that he has a problem when people do the same thing Shehzad. Atleast be consistent.

'Caustic' and 'nefarious' and 'malicious intent.' Jeez! Get over yourself. It's not a Bollywood movie.

There is nothing wrong with the thread. And no there is no grand conspiracy to defame Shehzad. Even with his off field and Twitter antics, if he had been actually performing ON the pitch consistently he wouldn't be under the scanner this much.
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Not defending 11ShadyBrothers, just saying that you really shouldn't be assuming things about people.

I'm no Shehzad fan but I think it's ludicrous for a tail-ender who got a duck in his first game of opening against Zim of all people gets the nod ahead of him. If it was for his bowling he should be at 7-8 not 1-2.

Before that whole load of tweets, from a personal standpoint it would be really hurtful for a tailender and a newbie to get a place ahead of you even though you have 11 centuries.

I also don't get your reasoning for Shehzad. I've seen you critizse him for SR and rotation problems, but you think he has a better chance in T20's but not in ODI's?

First of all, how does this logic even work? If he can fix his game like you said, he'd do much better ODI's as in ODI's all you need is a decent SR of like 85-90 and you need to be good at getting the singles and two's. However in T20's you need to be good at being a power hitter especially if your an opener.

I agree with you on tests, he has the potential to do well in tests.

"There is nothing wrong with the thread. And no there is no grand conspiracy to defame Shehzad. Even with his off field and Twitter antics, if he had been actually performing ON the pitch consistently he wouldn't be under the scanner this much."

The problem I have with this quote is that it's not true. Remember Shoaib Akhtar? He always has some star moments wherever he played, but due to what happened off the pitch really hurt him.

Also even if you do think that is true, a player who is really good on pitch and bad outside would be not playing many games unless they're seniors. Look at Umar Akmal, in T20's he's been our best player next to Hafeez averaging 27, but his off-field antics have been really hurting his chances to get in the squad too.
 
WC-Passion said:
Some nerve to call everyone who shares a different point of view Shehzadians, expected better from you. :facepalm:

I'm not even a big fan of him but I think he deserved a chance. (Before all the ridiculous tweets)
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Poor post.

He's only referring to those blind supporters of Shezhad that defend and propped him up no matter what Shezhad says or does.
 
WC-Passion said:
I also don't get your reasoning for Shehzad. I've seen you critizse him for SR and rotation problems, but you think he has a better chance in T20's but not in ODI's?

First of all, how does this logic even work? If he can fix his game like you said, he'd do much better ODI's as in ODI's all you need is a decent SR of like 85-90 and you need to be good at getting the singles and two's. However in T20's you need to be good at being a power hitter especially if your an opener.
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Shehzads main problem is strike rotation ie taking singles and doubles which is also a symptom of his dot ball issue. His favourite shot secondly seems to be 'find the fielder.'

Ofcourse his utter cluelessness in taking ones and twos leads to a poor SR as well but the low SR in itself is not the main issue because if he is having a good day (rare) he can offset that by a high boundary percentage like he did in the 90 he scored in the SL series. But let's be honest he is no special batsman so more often than not he will not have good days. Especially when he faces top attacks he cannot offset his low SR through boundaries which will be hard to come by. In such a situation you need to be able to rotate the strike and relieve some pressure and keep the score moving along. With Shehzad almost always when he faces a good bowling attack he invariably becomes rooted to the crease and gives you a 20-30 off 45-60 balls which doesn't help Pakistan at all and in fact hurts us. However if he could fix his game and look for gaps and rotate the strike, then his vigil on the crease would be more useful.

I think where we differ is that I don't expect him to solve his Strike rotation problem. He has been in international cricket for a good 6-7 years now and this is an issue he has had since His early days. His record under Afridi and Younis Khan reads worse than his record under Misbah btw so this is certainly not a new issue. And I have no expectation with him to solve it anymore. Ofcourse if he plays an innings like one ODI in SL (90 odd at 100+ SR) where his lack of strike rotation and the dot ball issue was offset by a high boundary count then all is well and good. But those innings are once in a blue moon and his ODI average of 34@72 is a testimony to that. In WC's it drops to 12 against top 10 teams. So to expect him to solve it and become an important ODI player is not possible. Especially since Azhar is the captain and in the squad. Azhar is more consistent so even as a player will get the nod over him and we cannot afford two slow openers in modern ODI cricket. It is clear from the team managements attempts to try Bilal Asif etc that they are this as a problem and want a more aggressive attacking opener to partner Azhar.

Why I think he can be more successful in T20s. If he can solve his shot placement and find the gaps when he plays the drives then he can score more boundaries. In t20s he can take more risks and hence more reward so to play for his spot he need not play a procession of dot balls. Rotating the strike and taking singles and doubles are not as important as in ODIs. Ofcourse with the risky play he will also get out early but if he can give us on average 20-30 at 120+ SR then he would have done a good job as far T20s are concerned. Note that in T20s this is a good innings but in ODIs it is an atrocious innings so he cannot use same strategy in one days. Also in T20a he has more backing and Afridi's parchee so he will play anyway so hence is not playing for his spot and there may be less pressure to play such a risky game. In ODIs it's not the same luxury and rightly so. Btw I am not saying he is an ideal T20 opener but I think he can be a more useful T20 opener.
 
PCB should understand his concerns and make another pakistan team. I am not saying shehzad should be dropped from the pak national team because he is still much better than bilal, iftikar etc. PCB should make a pakistan twitter team and name shehzad as its captain. Others can be selected based on the number of followers they have on twitter.
 
11shadybrothers said:
this thread is as caustic as it can get. Would suggest [mention=138836]wc-passion[/mention] and the other sane posters to stay away from this nefarious thread. You can easily see the malicious intent of the op every time its bumped. Over and out.
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lol!
 
Slog said:
Shehzads main problem is strike rotation ie taking singles and doubles which is also a symptom of his dot ball issue. His favourite shot secondly seems to be 'find the fielder.'

Ofcourse his utter cluelessness in taking ones and twos leads to a poor SR as well but the low SR in itself is not the main issue because if he is having a good day (rare) he can offset that by a high boundary percentage like he did in the 90 he scored in the SL series. But let's be honest he is no special batsman so more often than not he will not have good days. Especially when he faces top attacks he cannot offset his low SR through boundaries which will be hard to come by. In such a situation you need to be able to rotate the strike and relieve some pressure and keep the score moving along. With Shehzad almost always when he faces a good bowling attack he invariably becomes rooted to the crease and gives you a 20-30 off 45-60 balls which doesn't help Pakistan at all and in fact hurts us. However if he could fix his game and look for gaps and rotate the strike, then his vigil on the crease would be more useful.

I think where we differ is that I don't expect him to solve his Strike rotation problem. He has been in international cricket for a good 6-7 years now and this is an issue he has had since His early days. His record under Afridi and Younis Khan reads worse than his record under Misbah btw so this is certainly not a new issue. And I have no expectation with him to solve it anymore. Ofcourse if he plays an innings like one ODI in SL (90 odd at 100+ SR) where his lack of strike rotation and the dot ball issue was offset by a high boundary count then all is well and good. But those innings are once in a blue moon and his ODI average of 34@72 is a testimony to that. In WC's it drops to 12 against top 10 teams. So to expect him to solve it and become an important ODI player is not possible. Especially since Azhar is the captain and in the squad. Azhar is more consistent so even as a player will get the nod over him and we cannot afford two slow openers in modern ODI cricket. It is clear from the team managements attempts to try Bilal Asif etc that they are this as a problem and want a more aggressive attacking opener to partner Azhar.

Why I think he can be more successful in T20s. If he can solve his shot placement and find the gaps when he plays the drives then he can score more boundaries. In t20s he can take more risks and hence more reward so to play for his spot he need not play a procession of dot balls. Rotating the strike and taking singles and doubles are not as important as in ODIs. Ofcourse with the risky play he will also get out early but if he can give us on average 20-30 at 120+ SR then he would have done a good job as far T20s are concerned. Note that in T20s this is a good innings but in ODIs it is an atrocious innings so he cannot use same strategy in one days. Also in T20a he has more backing and Afridi's parchee so he will play anyway so hence is not playing for his spot and there may be less pressure to play such a risky game. In ODIs it's not the same luxury and rightly so. Btw I am not saying he is an ideal T20 opener but I think he can be a more useful T20 opener.
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Well if you say he can't fix his Rotation problems then it's a whole different story as you've described in your post.
 
Slog said:
Shehzads main problem is strike rotation ie taking singles and doubles which is also a symptom of his dot ball issue. His favourite shot secondly seems to be 'find the fielder.'

Ofcourse his utter cluelessness in taking ones and twos leads to a poor SR as well but the low SR in itself is not the main issue because if he is having a good day (rare) he can offset that by a high boundary percentage like he did in the 90 he scored in the SL series. But let's be honest he is no special batsman so more often than not he will not have good days. Especially when he faces top attacks he cannot offset his low SR through boundaries which will be hard to come by. In such a situation you need to be able to rotate the strike and relieve some pressure and keep the score moving along. With Shehzad almost always when he faces a good bowling attack he invariably becomes rooted to the crease and gives you a 20-30 off 45-60 balls which doesn't help Pakistan at all and in fact hurts us. However if he could fix his game and look for gaps and rotate the strike, then his vigil on the crease would be more useful.

I think where we differ is that I don't expect him to solve his Strike rotation problem. He has been in international cricket for a good 6-7 years now and this is an issue he has had since His early days. His record under Afridi and Younis Khan reads worse than his record under Misbah btw so this is certainly not a new issue. And I have no expectation with him to solve it anymore. Ofcourse if he plays an innings like one ODI in SL (90 odd at 100+ SR) where his lack of strike rotation and the dot ball issue was offset by a high boundary count then all is well and good. But those innings are once in a blue moon and his ODI average of 34@72 is a testimony to that. In WC's it drops to 12 against top 10 teams. So to expect him to solve it and become an important ODI player is not possible. Especially since Azhar is the captain and in the squad. Azhar is more consistent so even as a player will get the nod over him and we cannot afford two slow openers in modern ODI cricket. It is clear from the team managements attempts to try Bilal Asif etc that they are this as a problem and want a more aggressive attacking opener to partner Azhar.

Why I think he can be more successful in T20s. If he can solve his shot placement and find the gaps when he plays the drives then he can score more boundaries. In t20s he can take more risks and hence more reward so to play for his spot he need not play a procession of dot balls. Rotating the strike and taking singles and doubles are not as important as in ODIs. Ofcourse with the risky play he will also get out early but if he can give us on average 20-30 at 120+ SR then he would have done a good job as far T20s are concerned. Note that in T20s this is a good innings but in ODIs it is an atrocious innings so he cannot use same strategy in one days. Also in T20a he has more backing and Afridi's parchee so he will play anyway so hence is not playing for his spot and there may be less pressure to play such a risky game. In ODIs it's not the same luxury and rightly so. Btw I am not saying he is an ideal T20 opener but I think he can be a more useful T20 opener.
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I disagree here. Strike rotation is extremely important in T20 cricket too. You can't just walk in and hope to smash everything, because it simply won't happen on most days.

I'd honestly take a 1 1 2 4 1 1
over a 0 0 0 0 6 4

Why?
Because lack of strike rotation puts pressure on yourself and your partner + it riles up the fielding side. The most annoying thing for a bowler is having to switch between two plans every single ball, it really puts him off.

In any case, strike rotation is certainly not Shehzad's only problem. He has glaring technical issues which will ensure he won't find success in test cricket outside the UAE.
 
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Run out off superlatives to deserve this phenomenal player.

Another brilliant knock under pressure yesterday.
 
He looked normal yesterday. Didn't see any rustiness or anything for sure and was disappointed to see him get out
 
Can u drop somebody after 1 game when in that game they come into bat chasing 355.
I think that is unfair.

I would probably play him in nz.
Some body just needs to have a word with him coz he is a good clean striker of the ball. Just get it up and over mid on mid off and midwicket
 
So, is this thread only bumped by OP on shehzad's failures or what? Must be one heck of a neutral poster (LOOL)

Anyway, shehzad showed today why he is vital for the team. Thankgod!
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
So, is this thread only bumped by OP on shehzad's failures or what? Must be one heck of a neutral poster (LOOL)

Anyway, shehzad showed today why he is vital for the team. Thankgod!
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OP maybe biased but that's besides the point.

It's upto Shehzad to not give the opportunity for this thread being bumped and he did that today until you bumped it to score a point or sth.
 
Decent innings today, but spin did him in. Dismissal looked very similar to what Mishra gave him in the world t20 last year. Tossed up flighted delivery, he charges down the track to smash it straight down, completely misreading it, and gets stumped.

If we get rid of the 40 year old grandad, maybe we can promote Hafeez to counteract the spinners for Shezzy boy if we are desperate to keep him.
 
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Good point.
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Was very happy with his innings today and if you look ar my posts above then you will see that I have been calling for his inclusion in T20s for these type of innings if he plays without fear like he did today.

A 20-30 score at 125+ SR on average is golden for us and Shehzad can do that. He will struggle against spinners but he should already have achieved this base minimum before they come on
 
A figure among ciphers.

I would prefer him if these are Mukhtars and Riffatullahs that you offer me. The difference between Shehzad and the others is like day and night or water and fire. To add his good fielding to the equation i would say he is our living legend.
 
Slog said:
Was very happy with his innings today and if you look ar my posts above then you will see that I have been calling for his inclusion in T20s for these type of innings if he plays without fear like he did today.

A 20-30 score at 125+ SR on average is golden for us and Shehzad can do that. He will struggle against spinners but he should already have achieved this base minimum before they come on
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Yeah, i saw your comment in the commentary thread. Its good thing about you and me; we give credit where it is due unlike certain posters.

I think he just pre-mediated that shot and threw his wicket away. Shouldnt have done that. He should be drafted back in the ODI team now. Waqar should get some aqal.
 
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