Aizaz Cheema: What has he done wrong?

[Akmal Dynasty]

He won us the Asia cup and then was dropped unfairly for the worst bowler in the history of cricket. He was treated unfairly in the test series too. He is a hard working chap, never gives up why he is sidelined from all formats? What has he done wrong? :cheema

 

[Professor]

What did Tanvir Ahmed do wrong? our selectors don't need a reason to discard someone, it seems they randomly do whatever they want

 

[Akmal Dynasty]

Tanvir ahmed too was treated unfairly. He bowled well on flat tracks against SA.

 

[pakistanbest]

Too old, need planning for 2015, simples!

 

[LegCutter]

You can only have 11 player in a team. If it were to PP, we would be selecting every single person in the domestic circuit

 

[Sherlock]

He went the same way Ifthikar Anjum did.

 

[Wristy_Shuffler]

Nothing. He's just another victim the selector rota we have going on. Each time a new selector is chosen, he brings with him his personal tastes, agenda's and bias and so no player that has cemented their spot is safe. Sometimes even those who have aren't safe from unexplained snubs.

 

[iZeeshan]

Won us the Asia Cup

Bowled the last over so he gets all the credit?

The fact is that he's nothing special at all, isn't going to improve, and is pretty old already.

What has he done wrong? Get selected maybe 4-5 years too late.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Decent ODI bowler. Good T20 bowler. Not a test bowler.

ODI economy is 5.42. Test average is 32.

 

[Zaz]

Its cos hes not fassstttt!

 

[Sherlock]

Won us the Asia Cup

Bowled the last over so he gets all the credit?

The fact is that he's nothing special at all, isn't going to improve, and is pretty old already.

What has he done wrong? Get selected maybe 4-5 years too late.

He did more than Umar Gul did.

 

[asifp]

Fawad Alam hits 100 on debut gets dropped
Tanvir Ahmed avgs 24 with bat and bowl, gets dropped
Aizaz bowls an excellent last over gets dropped
Shahzaib bats as an opener Pakistna win the T20 world cup gets dropped

Farhat, Sami, Faisal I fail over and over again, and keep getting selected.

Welcome to the world of incompetence that is Pakistani selectors

 

[LegCutter]

Fawad Alam hits 100 on debut gets dropped
Tanvir Ahmed avgs 24 with bat and bowl, gets dropped
Aizaz bowls an excellent last over gets dropped
Shahzaib bats as an opener Pakistna win the T20 world cup gets dropped

Farhat, Sami, Faisal I fail over and over again, and keep getting selected.

Welcome to the world of incompetence that is Pakistani selectors

Lol gotta love the standards at PP sometimes.

 

[IAJ]

You have to do something wrong to get selected again. And as long as he doesnt do that there is no way back I am afraid.
Same goes for Hammad, Fawad and the rest who have been dropped.

Maybe they should start fixing some matches? Get involved in groupings and infightings? Or they should have performed poorly. You have to have these kind of things on your CV to be even considered..

 

[Dolphins]

Aizaz Cheema just isn't a great bowler. He gives his best but his best isn't enough for international standards.

 

[Yuri]

Seemed like quite a useless bowler to me from that one match against India.
If he is better, i am sure he will get his opportunities. Choosing Sami was a gamble that Pakistan had to take. Cheema didn't look like someone who would win you a series in Sri Lanka..

 

[Down2Earth]

he's too one dimentional, his bowling action takes LBW out of the equation and the edges he creates never reach the slips or keeper.

 

[speed]

If we had played cheema ahead of sami in the odi series I am sure we would have won the last match.

 

[LegendAli]

Forget about cheema, Tanvir Ahmed was the guy that could of won us so much more, Cheema shouldnt even be talked about when there is Tanvir Ahmed, who deserves a spot 1000x more.

 

[leatherface58]

cheema's credibility got hit hard when he came up against kohli and co. suddenly his sub 30 odi bowling average started looking deceptive. still i think he should be selected for odis atleast. not a bad bowler.

tanvir ahmed is a must for tests.

 

[leatherface58]

delete

 

[LegCutter]

We tried him, he wasnt special; let's move on. Our current team is filled with enough mediocrity as it is

Having said that, replacing him with Sami is probably the dumbest thing the selectors did.

 

[asifp]

Lol gotta love the standards at PP sometimes.

Dude its not that Shahzaib made us win the world cup. He did Ok, he was part of a combo that won the world cup. He was part of a formula that worked, yet we did not keep him.

He did not deserve to be dropped in the next T20 game.

 

[Riff]

Aizaz Cheema just isn't a great bowler. He gives his best but his best isn't enough for international standards.

Yes we have so many great fast bowlers at the moment. Whats the need for Cheema?

 

[LegCutter]

Dude its not that Shahzaib made us win the world cup. He did Ok, he was part of a combo that won the world cup. He was part of a formula that worked, yet we did not keep him.

He did not deserve to be dropped in the next T20 game.

What Shahzaib are you talking about; Shahzaib Hassan?

 

[dadvoc]

I am very much satisfied with his exclusion
although he tries his best, but he is not someone we can rely upon

 

[bilal3021]

Tanvir Ahmed in my opinion is a must against the saffa's early next year..along with junaid and gul we have a decent pace attack.

 

[Akmal Dynasty]

Welcome back he was dropped unfairly for sami.

 

[Hassan Qureshi]

would love to know which current fast bowler is ACTUALLY doing better than for him for the experts in this thread so that his exclusion makes sense.

 

[Pakistaniboy]

would love to know which current fast bowler is ACTUALLY doing better than for him for the experts in this thread so that his exclusion makes sense.

You see many of them in domestic cricket but they never get selected.

 

[Pakistani93]

Aizaz Cheema: Where is he?

It is a travesty the way Cheema is being treated, Its painful to see average bowlers like Junaid and Anwar play before him. Cheema is quite possibly the best and definitely the most talented bowler we had after the banning of Amir, his stats speak for himself.
Look at this clip, do you think Junaid or Anwar are capable of things like this?
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/I1WGlpGd82k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Cheema needs to be back or we will be minnows forever.

 

[Bilal7]

Is the OP for real? Cheema is not nearly as good as Junaid or Irfan.

Should Cheema be picked over the likes of Anwar Ali and Wahab? Perhaps but only because of workman -like stamina which many pacers lack.

 

[kungfu90]

The most underrated and under appreciated player of recent.

 

[Ahson8]

It is a travesty the way Cheema is being treated(probably being punished for being born in the region which is hated by PCB), Its painful to see average bowlers like Junaid and Anwar play before him. Cheema is quite possibly the best and definitely the most talented bowler we had after the banning of Amir, his stats speak for himself.

) ) )

I rate Cheema but no way he is better than Amir or Junaid.
Could be a good 3rd pacer in the absence of Umar Gul but that's about it.

 

[Pakistani93]

) ) )

I rate Cheema but no way he is better than Amir or Junaid.
Could be a good 3rd pacer in the absence of Umar Gul but that's about it.

Learn to read, I said Cheema is the best after Amir. And yes Cheema is better than Junaid/Anwar.

 

[MRSN]

very hard working player.no matter what he'll always be remembered for his match winning spell in the Asia cup final and stopping BD creating a history.

 

[Ahson8]

Learn to read, I said Cheema is the best after Amir. And yes Cheema is better than Junaid/Anwar.

He is not the best after Amir either.
are better

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Regarding the issue in question, I have to disagree.

Although Aizaz Cheema's domestic statistics do indeed warrant him a place in the Pakistan team, one must not ignore the fact that he is aged 33 years (only 8 days remaining until he becomes 34 years of age) and therefore it would not be salubrious both to the confidence of other fast bowlers and the progression of the team as a whole if he was selected - at his age it would be an ill-advised move to consider him available for national selection. Considering him for national duty would, in my opinion, remain one of the worst decisions to undertake because with the 2015 World Cup looming ever closer and the Test Championship allegedly taking place in 2017, it would simply consequence in the Pakistan bowling attack being even more unprepared for future international events and would only serve the task of obscuring our team's failures.

However, in stating this, I agree that him being disregarded for national selection earlier was a terrible decision, because both his domestic performances and his attributes (some swing movement, an ability to bowl long spells and a shrewd bowling mindset) meant that he deserved a place in the playing XI. Especially ahead of some of the more mediocre bowlers who have represented Pakistan over the years.

 

[King Amla 311*]

Ryan Harris is 32! Tanvir Ahmed played at 34 recently!

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Ryan Harris is 32! Tanvir Ahmed played at 34 recently!

Ryan Harris only plays Tests irregularly, as a result of the injury crisis and dearth of fast bowling talent which has struck Australian cricket. However, what I think the OP is proposing is that Aizaz Cheema should become a definitive choice in the playing XI and gain an unquestioned place, which I believe would be detrimental to Pakistan's advancement as Test nation. Imagine the effect playing Aizaz Cheema and then removing him from the playing XI prior to an important tournament would have on the team's balance on confidence. It would be totally impertinent of national selectors to commit such a selfish mistake.

Regarding the point you made about Tanvir Ahmed, I don't think needs to help you remember how much he suffered during the South Africa and how he afflicted Pakistani fans with his extremely mediocre and devoid-of-sting bowling.

 

[PakistanKnight]

Look at this clip, do you think Junaid or Anwar are capable of things like this?

This is a part from the OP.
Look at this clip,do you think Aizaz is capable of things like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87LTMZUtbZc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txzK24hTPSU

 

[PakistanKnight]

Ryan Harris is 32! Tanvir Ahmed played at 34 recently!

Aussies are skrewed that is why they need to go to Rhino Harris and we are know for producing young fast bowlers who are in their teens or are just above 20.
Tanvir played because our main bowlers were injured and he was considered.

 

[Osman]

was an excellent death bowler....full and straight consistently....was unfairly dropped

 

[liaqat]

AZIZ's more than most at the moment do,

 

[Sherlock]

He's probably in the same place Ifthikar Anjum is.

 

[Square Drive]

Keep this thread on topic. Don't make it a Karachi vs Lahore thread.

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

What nonsense, Lahore players are treated like crap while players from Karachi are given royal treatment. Please tell me why Babar Azam, Junaid Zia, Taufeeq Umer, Aamer Sjjad and Adnan Rasoll(only listing a few are not in the team?

I'm not too convinced with this theory considering the following facts:

Babar Azam - he has not yet fully proved his potential, accumulating a meagre First-Class batting average of 27.06 from 27 innings. Even if his List A batting average is beared in mind (an average of 49.73 from 29 innings, with 3 centuries), I don't believe much damage has been caused to him and do not comprehend the fact that unrighteous attempts have been committed to ruin his career, especially considering he is merely 18 years old and has only started a career in domestic cricket.

Taufeeq Umar - considering the fact that Pakistan haven't played any Tests against any opposition since the South Africa - where Taufeeq Umar unfortunately became injured without playing a single Test - I adamantly believe not a single injustice has been afflicted upon him. Therefore, the theory that he has been discriminated against is totally ludicrous and disgraceful to even consider.

Aamer Sajjad - if one bears in mind that he doesn't exhibit confounding statistics in domestic cricket, it remains no wonder that he has not been given any opportunities at the international level. If players do not perform even at the domestic level, what can possibly make one think that they will perform at the international level? Again, your line of reasoning is baffling.

Adnan Rasool - considering he is not even from the city of Lahore, I for one do not acknowledge how regional bias can even be applied here. Even if he was from Lahore, despite the commendable domestic record he possesses, I can understand why he wasn't selected for the international team. The reason is simply that Pakistan have boasted a tremendous spin bowling attack in the last few years, meaning any fringe spin bowlers have been virtually unable to even show their credentials. For this, I cite the example of Zulfiqar Babar. Consistently performing in domestic cricket, he has only been able to make an international debut recently, and as is apparent, what a farcical mistake that has been by our national selectors - for he certainly could've been a greater spin bowler than Shahid Afridi and Abdur Rehman.

Junaid Zia - personally, I don't know how one can consider he was ever mistreated, considering he doesn't have tremendous figures.

 

[Haroon786]

I'm not too convinced with this theory considering the following facts:

Babar Azam - he has not yet fully proved his potential, accumulating a meagre First-Class batting average of 27.06 from 27 innings. Even if his List A batting average is beared in mind (an average of 49.73 from 29 innings, with 3 centuries), I don't believe much damage has been caused to him and do not comprehend the fact that unrighteous attempts have been committed to ruin his career, especially considering he is merely 18 years old and has only started a career in domestic cricket.

Taufeeq Umar - considering the fact that Pakistan haven't played any Tests against any opposition since the South Africa - where Taufeeq Umar unfortunately became injured without playing a single Test - I adamantly believe not a single injustice has been afflicted upon him. Therefore, the theory that he has been discriminated against is totally ludicrous and disgraceful to even consider.

Aamer Sajjad - if one bears in mind that he doesn't exhibit confounding statistics in domestic cricket, it remains no wonder that he has not been given any opportunities at the international level. If players do not perform even at the domestic level, what can possibly make one think that they will perform at the international level? Again, your line of reasoning is baffling.

Adnan Rasool - considering he is not even from the city of Lahore, I for one do not acknowledge how regional bias can even be applied here. Even if he was from Lahore, despite the commendable domestic record he possesses, I can understand why he wasn't selected for the international team. The reason is simply that Pakistan have boasted a tremendous spin bowling attack in the last few years, meaning any fringe spin bowlers have been virtually unable to even show their credentials. For this, I cite the example of Zulfiqar Babar. Consistently performing in domestic cricket, he has only been able to make an international debut recently, and as is apparent, what a farcical mistake that has been by our national selectors - for he certainly could've been a greater spin bowler than Shahid Afridi and Abdur Rehman.

Junaid Zia - personally, I don't know how one can consider he was ever mistreated, considering he doesn't have tremendous figures.

Regarding Taufeeq Umar, the only reason i believe he has been discriminated is because Farhat was chosen ahead of him, when Umar didn't warrant a drop after his exclusion due to injury, as he was performing adequately as opener, however I realise he didn't have a successful time in the domestic cricket after his comeback and hence the reasoning of Farhat and Masood ahead of him.

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Regarding Taufeeq Umar, the only reason i believe he has been discriminated is because Farhat was chosen ahead of him, when Umar didn't warrant a drop after his exclusion due to injury, as he was performing adequately as opener, however I realise he didn't have a successful time in the domestic cricket after his comeback and hence the reasoning of Farhat and Masood ahead of him.

I have to disagree. Although it is a fact that Imran Farhat should never have received any international opportunities (simply because his selection is laced with nepotism), I don't believe his selection was at the exclusion/neglect of Taufeeq Umar, who hadn't played an ODI since May 2011 and bearing by his insubstantial record, isn't set to make any more appearances in Pakistan's limited overs teams.

 

[Haroon786]

I have to disagree. Although it is a fact that Imran Farhat should never have received any international opportunities (simply because his selection is laced with nepotism), I don't believe his selection was at the exclusion/neglect of Taufeeq Umar, who hadn't played an ODI since May 2011 and bearing by his insubstantial record, isn't set to make any more appearances in Pakistan's limited overs teams.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was explicitly talking about tests only and hence the disagreement, for I believe both Farhat and Masood both were chosen on the strength of their recent domestic performances, whilst Taufeeq struggled.

 

[mon858]

He's probably in the same place Ifthikar Anjum is.

i always thought he was a very decent 3rd pacer that got discarded for no reason.

he could return decent figures of 10 - 45/2 on most occasions.

still think junaid and irfan are better, but having a bit off an off-patch.

people have forgetting how these two were tormenting indian batting just 7/8 months ago.

 

[London_Lahori]

) thanks for the humour.

He is better then asad Ali and anwar Ali yes. But better then Junaid? Please.

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was explicitly talking about tests only and hence the disagreement, for I believe both Farhat and Masood both were chosen on the strength of their recent domestic performances, whilst Taufeeq struggled.

No problem, I now see where I went wrong. You were discussing Shan Masood's and Imran Farhat's selection as openers in the Test leg of the Zimbabwe tour, the former I never realised has been given an opportunity at the international level (I simply glanced at the squad for the Zimbabwe tour and because I've not been able to watch any matches as of yet, I'm not too sure what is happening - because of how disinterested I became - although this will be eradicated in the following days).

 

[Haroon786]

No problem, I now see where I went wrong. You were discussing Shan Masood's and Imran Farhat's selection as openers in the Test leg of the Zimbabwe tour, the former I never realised has been given an opportunity at the international level (I simply glanced at the squad for the Zimbabwe tour and because I've not been able to watch any matches as of yet, I'm not too sure what is happening - because of how disinterested I became - although this will be eradicated in the following days).

Yeah it doesn't really matter, considering their performances, who would actually want to see them :umarakmal

 

[LooneyReturns]

He is not good enough to be in the national team . Irfan has proven to be more of a wicket taker than Cheema . You simply cannot compare him with Junaid who is a better option since he is younger . Having too many old bowlers may create problems in the long run .

 

[zabalestmsm]

At least he was a wicket taker!! He had good wicket taking skills!! He was aggressive!! Dropped for no reason!!!

 

[Mamoon]

Please!

A totally rubbish bowler.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

He was a decent bowler, but was always a stop gap.
I do reckon he was dropped prematurely but he is too old now

 

[zabalestmsm]

He was a decent bowler, but was always a stop gap.
I do reckon he was dropped prematurely but he is too old now

I second u!

 

[hadi123]

he was not a wicket taker, he was a trundler and I can't remember him taking wickets against any decent team. He's not as good as Ryan Harris definitely, he can swing the ball both ways and has extreme pace, Cheema is a hard worker, nothing more

 

[saeedhk]

He is not good enough.Nothing special at all.

 

[Singham]

Maybe PCB is afraid that his hair piece would fall off and embarrass Pakistan.

On a serious note, he bowled too short and he 30 plus to be giving too many chances..

 

[Ahson8]

Maybe PCB is afraid that his hair piece would fall off and embarrass Pakistan.

On a serious note, he bowled too short and he 30 plus to be giving too many chances..

Saw him in domestic recently and he has become bald :cheema

 

[Mamoon]

Saw him in domestic recently and he has become bald :cheema

He used to wear a wig.

 

[hadi123]

Saw him in domestic recently and he has become bald :cheema

seriously? can't imagine him bald

 

[Mamoon]

Another legendary last over by the legend . . . . answer to our death bowling woes? :cheema

 

[Madplayer]

How does he do it????

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Another legendary last over by the legend . . . . answer to our death bowling woes? :cheema

A case of when Allah wants to bless a Man.

What a turnaround for him in this match. Quote unbelievable but two poor shots by Wahab & Hasan.

 

[cricketInsight]

Good last over but dont forget his first over either.

 

[Hawkeye]

LEGEND

Death bowling LEGEND

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

What a blessing for Aizaz Cheema from Allah. The most expensive bowler of Quetta wins the game for Quetta. His economy of 8.5 was highest amongst all the 6 ballers Quetta used today.

 

[Mamoon]

Big-hearted operator.

 

[Sherlock]

Could'a, Would'a, Should'a.

Shame really, decent enough bowler with a bigger heart than most of the current players being picked for the national side.

 

[waleed88]

Where is he?

Why wasn't he selected in PSL this season?

Didn't he book a place for Quetta in the finals with a breath-taking final over..

He could've atleast done better than Umar Gul if I'm not wrong

 

[Rayyman]

Where is he?

Why wasn't he selected in PSL this season?

Didn't he book a place for Quetta in the finals with a breath-taking final over..

He could've atleast done better than Umar Gul if I'm not wrong

He's old and he doesn't have the face value that Gul does.

 

[waleed88]

He's old and he doesn't have the face value that Gul does.

Point...

Poor guy though, must be feeling really hard done by

 

[Rayyman]

Point...

Poor guy though, must be feeling really hard done by

It's his fault. He should've done better at a younger age.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

It's his fault. He should've done better at a younger age.

Back in the early to mid 2000s (He made his FC debut in 2001) people say that he was genuinely quick, like proper 145 stuff.... However, back then we had Akhtar / Sami reigning supreme so someone bowling 145 clicks wasn't that impressive to be honest.

He was from the Ntini school of bowling I suppose, a very good support bowler but couldn't translate that into something that would've given him a shot at being the leader of the pack. Plus he did not have swag at all which is one of the core attributes of our Alphas.

 

[Rayyman]

Back in the early to mid 2000s (He made his FC debut in 2001) people say that he was genuinely quick, like proper 145 stuff.... However, back then we had Akhtar / Sami reigning supreme so someone bowling 145 clicks wasn't that impressive to be honest.

He was from the Ntini school of bowling I suppose, a very good support bowler but couldn't translate that into something that would've given him a shot at being the leader of the pack. Plus he did not have swag at all which is one of the core attributes of our Alphas.

If he is a Beta then he has no use in the team. The same reason Imran Khan plays over Sadaf Hussain. Because he is an Alpha. Even Rahat has a bit of an attitude. Although we need more of the fiery characters. Hopefully Sarfraz can revive that warrior mentality that Misbah destroyed in Pakistan cricket.

 

[MenInG]

Aizaz Cheema 6-56 today for Lahore Blues v Faisalabad in QEA