"All my life, I've come across small men occupying big offices" : Imran Khan's response to Modi

[Mamoon]

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People of J&K are Indians who are not happy to be Indians, and that is their problem.

 

[Syed1]

With 7 times the population it is hardly surprising that India has more poor.

The areas of India that are geographically and ethnically similar to Pakistan (Haryana, Punjab, Delhi, Himachal, Gujarat etc.) have more than three times Pakistan's per cap GDP. If you continuing denying the reality that your country is being held back by the domination of civil affairs by the Army, you will continue exporting soccer balls and textiles till eternity.

The only statistic that matter is that India has more poverty than sub-Saharan Africa and more Indians are lining up to leave their shining India than any other country in the world.


Heck in my own city there are colleges established by Indians for Indians offering crappy degrees like hotel management so that Indians who want to flee shining India can enroll here and come live in Canada on study permit.

 

[enkidu_]

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People of J&K are Indians who are not happy to be Indians, and that is their problem.

Yes, like Bhagat Singh was a "de facto" "British" subject not happy with Her Majesty's rule, they are "de facto" "Indians".

 

[khan991]

Childish response by Imran. Modi is well within his right to decline any invitation - that does not make him a 'small man'.

Furthermore, he also needs to understand that there cannot be any peace talks with India as long as we do not stop fighting the war of Kashmiris. It is India's internal dispute and we should not be poking our green nose in Kashmir.

Stop funding insurgencies and terrorism in Kashmir and get your troops out of there, and India will be more than willing to engage in peace talks. However, that is against the interests of the military (the actual rulers of the country) and Imran cannot dare to defy them if he is to keep his office.

You cannot have peace talks with India or any other country on your terms and by making irrational demands. Pakistan's idea of resolving issues with India, i.e. ceding control of J&K will never come to fruition, so the ball is in Pakistan's court now.

They have to decide whether they want continue to fight this win-less and fruitless war that has yielded zero benefit to Pakistan over the last 70+ years, and has been nothing but an economic and political burden, or swallow their pride and withdraw their soldiers and freedom fighters (terrorists) and start a new chapter with India that can actually benefit Pakistan greatly. Hollow pride will not take any country anywhere, and it has certainly not taken Pakistan anywhere.

Nonetheless, any government that tried to initiate peace talks with India before the elections was dubbed "Modi ka yaar". What has changed now?

A coward post! This is an insult to all the Kashmiris who have lost mothers daughters to cowards across the border. Should be ashamed to call yourself a pakistani.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Childish response by Imran. Modi is well within his right to decline any invitation - that does not make him a 'small man'.

Furthermore, he also needs to understand that there cannot be any peace talks with India as long as we do not stop fighting the war of Kashmiris. It is India's internal dispute and we should not be poking our green nose in Kashmir.

Stop funding insurgencies and terrorism in Kashmir and get your troops out of there, and India will be more than willing to engage in peace talks. However, that is against the interests of the military (the actual rulers of the country) and Imran cannot dare to defy them if he is to keep his office.

You cannot have peace talks with India or any other country on your terms and by making irrational demands. Pakistan's idea of resolving issues with India, i.e. ceding control of J&K will never come to fruition, so the ball is in Pakistan's court now.

They have to decide whether they want continue to fight this win-less and fruitless war that has yielded zero benefit to Pakistan over the last 70+ years, and has been nothing but an economic and political burden, or swallow their pride and withdraw their soldiers and freedom fighters (terrorists) and start a new chapter with India that can actually benefit Pakistan greatly. Hollow pride will not take any country anywhere, and it has certainly not taken Pakistan anywhere.

Nonetheless, any government that tried to initiate peace talks with India before the elections was dubbed "Modi ka yaar". What has changed now?

Such a filthy post should NOT be allowed on a Pakistani based forum. Why don't you ever write about all the crap India is doing in Pakistan? You're trying too hard. There are actual Kashmiri's on this forum who are from the Indian side, reading posts like this hurt them.

Pakistan isn't saying cede Kashmir to us, they have repeatedly said they want a referendum. Why doesn't India allow for this? Why are they so scared? Why not mention that as well.

Coming to your last comment, "Modi ka yaar" would your Noonie buddy ever have tweeted anything along these lines? NO! Stop trying to twist words, PM Imran Khan said he would try to initiate peace dialogues initially and he held up his promise, they said no, ok move on. No need to write an essay every time, especially when it's such a filthy one.

 

[Pakistanian]

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People of J&K are Indians who are not happy to be Indians, and that is their problem.

The Irish were "British" once that weren't happy with British rule.

 

[cricketjoshila]

For peace in the region. Modi's been in office for over 4 years now, he's failed to come up with a solution so he might as well follow Imran Khan's guidance.

Pakistanis are free to follow IK's guidance. Indians dont see it being good for them.

 

[Pakistanian]

Pakistanis are free to follow IK's guidance. Indians dont see it being good for them.

Well you have no other options, Modi has failed for the past 4 years and hasn't come up with anything new. Y'all should follow Khan's lead for the good of the whole subcontinent, especially for your 'beloved' Kashmiris.

 

[Napa]

If you believe this , why do you spend time talking to Pakistanis?

Trying to talk sense to people is not a bad thing. Also I make a distinction between the Pakistani Army and the Pakistani people. It's not that all Pakistanis are anti-India, many of them realize the truth about their Army's behavior.

Have you no shame your countrymen are being killed by Pakistani terrorism but you love a good chit chat with the enemy?

Channeling Gautam Gambhir now, are we?

 

[Mamoon]

The Irish were "British" once that weren't happy with British rule.

And France did not help them win independence - the Irish were on their own. If Kashmir can gain independence from India, I wish them all the luck in the world. However, it is not our war to fight.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well you have no other options, Modi has failed for the past 4 years and hasn't come up with anything new. Y'all should follow Khan's lead for the good of the whole subcontinent, especially for your 'beloved' Kashmiris.

We have the option of rejecting Pakistans offer which we did. Indians dont see Imran's offer as acceptable.

 

[Mamoon]

A coward post! This is an insult to all the Kashmiris who have lost mothers daughters to cowards across the border. Should be ashamed to call yourself a pakistani.

Such a filthy post should NOT be allowed on a Pakistani based forum. Why don't you ever write about all the crap India is doing in Pakistan? You're trying too hard. There are actual Kashmiri's on this forum who are from the Indian side, reading posts like this hurt them.

Pakistan isn't saying cede Kashmir to us, they have repeatedly said they want a referendum. Why doesn't India allow for this? Why are they so scared? Why not mention that as well.

Coming to your last comment, "Modi ka yaar" would your Noonie buddy ever have tweeted anything along these lines? NO! Stop trying to twist words, PM Imran Khan said he would try to initiate peace dialogues initially and he held up his promise, they said no, ok move on. No need to write an essay every time, especially when it's such a filthy one.

The moderators do a fine job on this forum and allow freedom of expression as long as it does not contain any profanities and derogatory language. I am simply voicing my opinion on why Pakistan should not be interfering in J&K and why it is not ours war to fight.

I have no intentions of hurting the sentiment of Kashmiris and I have no problems whatsoever in offering my apology. However, with all due respect, I do not think that they are our problem (or concern) and fighting this war has been a big burden on our economy. Furthermore, it has given our military more might than they deserve, which allows them to interfere in our politics. Their interference is the biggest reason why Pakistan has not been able to develop economically.

As far India's involvement in Pakistan is concerned, I do not deny that they have funded insurgencies within Pakistan. However, they have done so as a retaliation to our involvement in Kashmir. We have a water dispute with them as well, but the source of enmity between Pakistan and India is Kashmir, and it is a war that we have invested in based on weak ideology.

Our history is littered with mistakes, picking the wrong fights and making the wrong enemies and siding with the wrong people. Our interference in Kashmir has been our biggest mistake and we are showing no signs of learning from the past.

 

[slipcatch]

We have the option of rejecting Pakistans offer which we did. Indians dont see Imran's offer as acceptable.

Sure you do but do you think IK is evil face and he is evil because that was the name used to reject offer to peace.

Everyone with a tiny brain knows that India has a right to reject.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Trying to talk sense to people is not a bad thing. Also I make a distinction between the Pakistani Army and the Pakistani people. It's not that all Pakistanis are anti-India, many of them realize the truth about their Army's behavior.

I would advise your talk sense to your own people first. They deny the atrocities of your army in Kashmir. Only a small tiny minority of Pakistanis are against the army. Saying 'many' is false and silly tbh. Get with reality not Bollywood fantasy.

Channeling Gautam Gambhir now, are we?

You agree with your extremist government then why not follow their suit unless you are ok with Pakistan killing your people?

 

[slipcatch]

The moderators do a fine job on this forum and allow freedom of expression as long as it does not contain any profanities and derogatory language. I am simply voicing my opinion on why Pakistan should not be interfering in J&K and why it is not ours war to fight.

I have no intentions of hurting the sentiment of Kashmiris and I have no problems whatsoever in offering my apology. However, with all due respect, I do not think that they are our problem (or concern) and fighting this war has been a big burden on our economy. Furthermore, it has given our military more might than they deserve, which allows them to interfere in our politics. Their interference is the biggest reason why Pakistan has not been able to develop economically.

As far India's involvement in Pakistan is concerned, I do not deny that they have funded insurgencies within Pakistan. However, they have done so as a retaliation to our involvement in Kashmir. We have a water dispute with them as well, but the source of enmity between Pakistan and India is Kashmir, and it is a war that we have invested in based on weak ideology.

Our history is littered with mistakes, picking the wrong fights and making the wrong enemies and siding with the wrong people. Our interference in Kashmir has been our biggest mistake and we are showing no signs of learning from the past.

Are you again presenting an argument to create counterbalance as Pakistani in favor of Indian? or is it really you Mamoon?

 

[Napa]

You have a banya/Hindu materialistic mentality, you base everything on economy, if Bhagat Singh followed your mindset he would have negotiated with the largest empire of its time, which was both an economic and technological/cultural powerhouse, instead of seeking "independence", and if Pakistanis follow your mindset they better become an official satellite of China (as Indians basically think).

Dude, you have no clue who I am. The specific Bengali community that I belong to had the highest number of armed revolutionaries as a percentage of their population among all Indians (including people who later became Pakistanis) killed by the British for revolt. It is one thing to brag on the Internet, it is quite different start a revolt knowing you could be killed in a horrendous manner. Read up about people like Khudiram Bose, Binoy, Badal, Dinesh and Surya Sen. Before Surya Sen was hanged, he was brutally tortured by the British. The British executioners broke all his teeth with a hammer, and pulled out all his nails. They broke all his limbs and joints. He was dragged to the rope unconscious.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The moderators do a fine job on this forum and allow freedom of expression as long as it does not contain any profanities and derogatory language. I am simply voicing my opinion on why Pakistan should not be interfering in J&K and why it is not ours war to fight.

I have no intentions of hurting the sentiment of Kashmiris and I have no problems whatsoever in offering my apology. However, with all due respect, I do not think that they are our problem (or concern) and fighting this war has been a big burden on our economy. Furthermore, it has given our military more might than they deserve, which allows them to interfere in our politics. Their interference is the biggest reason why Pakistan has not been able to develop economically.

As far India's involvement in Pakistan is concerned, I do not deny that they have funded insurgencies within Pakistan. However, they have done so as a retaliation to our involvement in Kashmir. We have a water dispute with them as well, but the source of enmity between Pakistan and India is Kashmir, and it is a war that we have invested in based on weak ideology.

Our history is littered with mistakes, picking the wrong fights and making the wrong enemies and siding with the wrong people. Our interference in Kashmir has been our biggest mistake and we are showing no signs of learning from the past.

Inteference? It's disputed territory which many political academics believe should have been Pakistani territory. You might enjoy it when your heros the Indian army abuse people in Kashmir but to real Pakistani's they are brothers and sisters who should be defended and helped.

 

[Napa]

The only statistic that matter is that India has more poverty than sub-Saharan Africa and more Indians are lining up to leave their shining India than any other country in the world.

Heck in my own city there are colleges established by Indians for Indians offering crappy degrees like hotel management so that Indians who want to flee shining India can enroll here and come live in Canada on study permit.

Did you look at the relative economic development of India and Pakistan from the export data, or are you just happy to return to IMF for the 13th bailout.

The only statistics that matters? Your logic goes something like this: Pakistan's economic underdevelopment caused by Army's domination of civilian affairs is okay because India has more poor than Sub-Saharan Africa.

 

[PakLFC]

IK should have called Modi an "illiterate tea seller" because that is what he is. Would have totally humiliated that stupid man who goes around hugging the whole world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Inteference? It's disputed territory which many political academics believe should have been Pakistani territory. You might enjoy it when your heros the Indian army abuse people in Kashmir but to real Pakistani's they are brothers and sisters who should be defended and helped.

Dispute is between India and Kashmiris.Let them decide the matter.Why is Pakistan interfering? India has a legitimate treaty signed by Hari Singh. Why is Pakistan in Kashmir?

So what does Pakistan want to achieve in Kashmir and how will they do so?

 

[PakLFC]

Dispute is between India and Kashmiris.Let them decide the matter.Why is Pakistan interfering? India has a legitimate treaty signed by Hari Singh. Why is Pakistan in Kashmir?

So what does Pakistan want to achieve in Kashmir and how will they do so?

Through Ghazwa-e-Hind war as foretold by the Prophet(saw) that Pak will lead many Muslim countries in war defeating then invading India. The rest off your comment has been answered many times. Of course you won't believe in the Ghazwa-e-Hind prediction.

 

[enkidu_]

Dude, you have no clue who I am. The specific Bengali community that I belong to had the highest number of armed revolutionaries as a percentage of their population among all Indians (including people who later became Pakistanis) killed by the British for revolt. It is one thing to brag on the Internet, it is quite different start a revolt knowing you could be killed in a horrendous manner. Read up about people like Khudiram Bose, Binoy, Badal, Dinesh and Surya Sen. Before Surya Sen was hanged, he was brutally tortured by the British. The British executioners broke all his teeth with a hammer, and pulled out all his nails. They broke all his limbs and joints. He was dragged to the rope unconscious.

How much/what did the Bengali revolutionaries export as compared to the British at the time, tho ? That's the real and only question.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Dude, you have no clue who I am. The specific Bengali community that I belong to had the highest number of armed revolutionaries as a percentage of their population among all Indians (including people who later became Pakistanis) killed by the British for revolt. It is one thing to brag on the Internet, it is quite different start a revolt knowing you could be killed in a horrendous manner. Read up about people like Khudiram Bose, Binoy, Badal, Dinesh and Surya Sen. Before Surya Sen was hanged, he was brutally tortured by the British. The British executioners broke all his teeth with a hammer, and pulled out all his nails. They broke all his limbs and joints. He was dragged to the rope unconscious.

You are a bengali? Didnt know that. From erst while east bengal?

 

[Bewal Express]

The best things Pakistan can do to improve its economic situation:

1) Stop the Army from looting the country by dominating the economy.

2) Build trade relations with India.

That is what NS was trying for. Yadav and other similar issues are minor.

Our Army is not perfect but We are happy with our army, we dont need to trade with Ind, NS was being blackmailed by Ind and a spy helping to instigate an insurgency is not a small matter.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Through Ghazwa-e-Hind war as foretold by the Prophet(saw) that Pak will lead many Muslim countries in war defeating then invading India. The rest off your comment has been answered many times. Of course you won't believe in the Ghazwa-e-Hind prediction.

Is this prophecy part of the sahih hadiths?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Our Army is not perfect but We are happy with our army, we dont need to trade with Ind, NS was being blackmailed by Ind and a spy helping to instigate an insurgency is not a small matter.

What are you doing in Kashmir for 70 years?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Dispute is between India and Kashmiris.Let them decide the matter.Why is Pakistan interfering? India has a legitimate treaty signed by Hari Singh. Why is Pakistan in Kashmir?

So what does Pakistan want to achieve in Kashmir and how will they do so?

It's disputed between Pakistan and India according to the UN, the same organistion you refer to regularly when they agree with anything Indian.

According to you Pakistan is occupying India territory of the same region so it's been involved but India cant do anything to change this.

Pakistan wants to achieve a rape free, torture free, murder free and all other human rights freedoms for the people of Kashmir.

 

[Napa]

You are a bengali? Didnt know that. From erst while east bengal?

My ancestors were from East Bengal (now Bangladesh), they migrated to West Bengal sometime during the first half of the 20th century.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's disputed between Pakistan and India according to the UN, the same organistion you refer to regularly when they agree with anything Indian.

According to you Pakistan is occupying India territory of the same region so it's been involved but India cant do anything to change this.

Pakistan wants to achieve a rape free, torture free, murder free and all other human rights freedoms for the people of Kashmir.

1. UN resolution asks Pakistan to vacate the territory. Go read it again.

2. India is following the agreement it signed. If only Pakistan did it, their narrative would get some respect in the world.

3. How will Pakistan free Kashmir? Even this low intensity war is affecting Pakistan advwrsely and its looking at another IMF bailout.

 

[cricketjoshila]

My ancestors were from East Bengal (now Bangladesh), they migrated to West Bengal sometime during the first half of the 20th century.

So you identify yourself as a ghoti or a bangal?

 

[KingKhanWC]

1. UN resolution asks Pakistan to vacate the territory. Go read it again.

2. India is following the agreement it signed. If only Pakistan did it, their narrative would get some respect in the world.

3. How will Pakistan free Kashmir? Even this low intensity war is affecting Pakistan advwrsely and its looking at another IMF bailout.

1. Are you slow? Pakistan will remove all it's troops within a hours once India confirms there will be a vote of self determination.

2. The agreement was in good faith you stop raping school girls and torturing school kids which hasn't happened.

3. The people will not stop until they are free. One day India will hopefully not elect Hindu extremists and things can change.

 

[Akki malhotra]

1. Are you slow? Pakistan will remove all it's troops within a hours once India confirms there will be a vote of self determination.

2. The agreement was in good faith you stop raping school girls and torturing school kids which hasn't happened.

3. The people will not stop until they are free. One day India will hopefully not elect Hindu extremists and things can change.

Pakistan constitution need to be secular untill then peace cant be possible. you are islamic nation itself and still have courage to talk on india regarding hindutva. Try again.

 

[slipcatch]

Pakistan constitution need to be secular untill then peace cant be possible. you are islamic nation itself and still have courage to talk on india regarding hindutva. Try again.

Pakistan does not clam to be a secular country. Get learned.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan constitution need to be secular untill then peace cant be possible. you are islamic nation itself and still have courage to talk on india regarding hindutva. Try again.

India isn't secular it's a just a gimmick pal. Beef ban is the proof you need. Pakistan is what it claims and nothing wrong with it .

 

[Napa]

So you identify yourself as a ghoti or a bangal?

100% bangal

Not that many people remain aware of the distinction nowadays.

 

[cricketjoshila]

1. Are you slow? Pakistan will remove all it's troops within a hours once India confirms there will be a vote of self determination.

2. The agreement was in good faith you stop raping school girls and torturing school kids which hasn't happened.

3. The people will not stop until they are free. One day India will hopefully not elect Hindu extremists and things can change.

1. The UN will take control of PoK once Pakistan vacates. Its for them to decide and move forward after that. The 1st step is for pakistan to vacate PoK.

2. The agreement was to keep the sanctity of the LoC. Its not for Pakistan to decide what happens in indian territory. Its another thing that the Shimla agreement was signed in aftermath of the biggest genocide and rape since the second world war,committed by the Pak army.

3.70 years have seen many Indian PMs. It has seen Pakistan go to the limits of all out war to limited war to proxy war. Result is same. Otoh Pakistani economy is in the doldrums.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India isn't secular it's a just a gimmick pal. Beef ban is the proof you need. Pakistan is what it claims and nothing wrong with it .

Pakistani is hardly a certifying authority on secularism. You support religious theocracy and talk about secularism. You live in a western non islamic society but want islamic republic in Pakistan..

What a joke!!!!

 

[Akki malhotra]

Pakistan does not clam to be a secular country. Get learned.

claiming or no claiming has nothing to do with reality and results in practical world. Only facts speaks .Like indian constitution speaks.
we will never buy this illogical zakir naik theories.Pakistan need to have secular constitution for all communities and then only peace is possible.
What are the challenges?
what do you think why all people cant be treated equally in pakistan constitution ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

100% bangal

Not that many people remain aware of the distinction nowadays.

Technically you are Ghoti. Bangal Ghoti distinction came mostly post 47.

 

[slipcatch]

claiming or no claiming has nothing to do with reality and results in practical world. Only facts speaks .Like indian constitution speaks.
we will never buy this illogical zakir naik theories.Pakistan need to have secular constitution for all communities and then only peace is possible.
What are the challenges?
what do you think why all people cant be treated equally in pakistan constitution ?

Pakistan isn't a secular nation.

When will Modi reject RSS, a radicalized extremists hindu groups and when is Indian changing cow laws?

 

[enkidu_]

Pakistan constitution need to be secular untill then peace cant be possible. you are islamic nation itself and still have courage to talk on india regarding hindutva. Try again.

From your name it sounds you're a Punjabi-Khatri who holds a personal grudge against Pak for kicking your peoples out in '47, so I guess your opinion is as biased as Hafiz Saeed's on India, who lost some 20-30 members of his family to Hindus, while moving out from Haryana.

Anyway no Islamic country can be "secular". Atheists or Hindus can if they want, but in Islam it's said that light and darkness don't have the same values, in fact darkness' only raison d'être is to make light appear more clearly, in the same way the non Muslims should be held in a perpetual state of submission to the Islamic authorities, to show the symbolic domination of Islam over the impure "spiritual" systems.

In medieval Islam the local Christian priest was slapped on public place when he used to give the jizya (tax) to the Muslim overlords.

If you don't understand the Islamic ways of governance you'll be unable to grasp why "secularism" means that Islam is no more "Islam" (etymologically).

 

[Akki malhotra]

India isn't secular it's a just a gimmick pal. Beef ban is the proof you need. Pakistan is what it claims and nothing wrong with it .

There is a world beyond beef. Oh c'mon...Gimmick countries doesnt have 2nd highest n.o of mosques in this universe even after breaking of india in 1947.
India is the only country in world where all communities of muslims like shia and sunni live peacefully.And muslim community has the highest growth rate in population in india.

 

[Napa]

Technically you are Ghoti. Bangal Ghoti distinction came mostly post 47.

It's a matter of opinion. I believe if you supported East Bengal against Mohan Bagan then you were certifiably Bangal, no matter when your ancestors came over

 

[Akki malhotra]

From your name it sounds you're a Punjabi-Khatri who holds a personal grudge against Pak for kicking your peoples out in '47, so I guess your opinion is as biased as Hafiz Saeed's on India, who lost some 20-30 members of his family to Hindus, while moving out from Haryana.

Anyway no Islamic country can be "secular". Atheists or Hindus can if they want, but in Islam it's said that light and darkness don't have the same values, in fact darkness' only raison d'être is to make light appear more clearly, in the same way the non Muslims should be held in a perpetual state of submission to the Islamic authorities, to show the symbolic domination of Islam over the impure "spiritual" systems.

In medieval Islam the local Christian priest was slapped on public place when he used to give the jizya (tax) to the Muslim overlords.

If you don't understand the Islamic ways of governance you'll be unable to grasp why "secularism" means that Islam is no more "Islam" (etymologically).

yes i am punjabi khatri. And i guess this concept of darkness and light is the reason of hatred.

 

[JaDed]

Vajpayee had the vision and what happen Imran sahab.


Kargil happened lol.

 

[Napa]

Our Army is not perfect but We are happy with our army, we dont need to trade with Ind, NS was being blackmailed by Ind and a spy helping to instigate an insurgency is not a small matter.

I think you have covered all the bases of wrong thinking which has led Pakistan to its current sorry state.

 

[Napa]

Vajpayee had the vision and what happen Imran sahab.

Kargil happened lol.

Precisely!

IK isn't the real power, it is the Army. If the Pakistani Army Chief asked India to negotiate with him, then I would see some value in those negotiations.

 

[enkidu_]

yes i am punjabi khatri. And i guess this concept of darkness and light is the reason of hatred.

Well sorry to say that explains your personal sentiments against the Islamic nature of Pak, like Punjabi-Khatris of Bollywood (anti Pak movies) or cricket (Virat Kohli/Shikhar Dhawan), then. You have a pro secular bias because you think Islam is responsible for the migration of your peoples. As I said that's like Hafiz Saeed being anti Hindu because of the Partition riots which affected his family.

 

[Bewal Express]

I think you have covered all the bases of wrong thinking which has led Pakistan to its current sorry state.

We are in no more sorry state than you. You have 100's of millions in absolute poverty and you and other Indians are trying to tell us that you are superpower.

 

[Syed1]

We are in no more sorry state than you. You have 100's of millions in absolute poverty and you and other Indians are trying to tell us that you are superpower.

Not to forget the millions that are lining up to go to UK, US, UAE, Canada, Australia.... but but India is shining.

 

[Bewal Express]

Vajpayee had the vision and what happen Imran sahab.


Kargil happened lol.

Vajpayee and Mush werent too far off an agreement in 2004.

 

[Pakistanian]

So you identify yourself as a ghoti or a bangal?

Whats the difference?

 

[Bewal Express]

Not to forget the millions that are lining up to go to UK, US, UAE, Canada, Australia.... but but India is shining.

Its ironic that the Inds pretend to be a superpower when so many in their country are in such dire poverty. No doubt we have problems but we are no worse than Ind.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

Cut off all ties with Hindustan, the peace meme has been going on too long despite Kashmiris' plight, try to better relations with Iran/Afghanistan/Bangladesh.



The Congress, you mean like Indira Gandhi who actually divided the country while the BJP celebrates a "surgical strike" ?

It's not a matter of Congress or the BJP but of Hinduism.

Agree now Imran Khan need to take a step back and resolve others problems.

 

[Napa]

We are in no more sorry state than you. You have 100's of millions in absolute poverty and you and other Indians are trying to tell us that you are superpower.

Not a superpower, but certainly developing some modern industries. If you cannot understand the difference between the two following tables, no one can help your country:





The above table doesn't include services (like computer software) of which India exports about $200 billion, and Pakistan almost zero. But by all means keep believing that there are not problems with the Army's domination of the Pakistani economy.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We are in no more sorry state than you. You have 100's of millions in absolute poverty and you and other Indians are trying to tell us that you are superpower.

We are still ahead in per capita terms from Pakistan. Not on any blacklists. Fastest growing major economy. No we are not a superpower but we are far ahead of pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not to forget the millions that are lining up to go to UK, US, UAE, Canada, Australia.... but but India is shining.

Atleast they are not lining up to.go to Pakistan, like Pakistani hindus are coming to India.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

We are still ahead in per capita terms from Pakistan. Not on any blacklists. Fastest growing major economy. No we are not a superpower but we are far ahead of pakistan.

Agree i have to leave europe and come to the FASTEST GROWING MAJOR ECONOMY of the world

 

[cricketjoshila]

Agree i have to leave europe and come to the FASTEST GROWING MAJOR ECONOMY of the world

If you get a visa that is.

But can you deny the fact that i posted?

 

[Napa]

Whats the difference?

Ghotis are Bengalis from pre-partition West Bengal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti_people

Bangals are Bengalis from pre-partition East Bengal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangal

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

If you get a visa that is.

But can you deny the fact that i posted?

Only place I want to go mayby in future that is AJMER SHAREEF but that is for later.
No i dont deny your fact but what you are saying will takes many years to happen.

 

[Pakistanian]

And France did not help them win independence - the Irish were on their own. If Kashmir can gain independence from India, I wish them all the luck in the world. However, it is not our war to fight.

If India can help Bengalis get independence then why can't Pakistan help Kashmiris do the same?

 

[Pakistanian]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] France did help America gain independence from Britain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War

 

[Bewal Express]

We are still ahead in per capita terms from Pakistan. Not on any blacklists. Fastest growing major economy. No we are not a superpower but we are far ahead of pakistan.

Ind maybe a little ahead but with100's of millions in absolute poverty, you are hardly in a position to pretend that you are some superpower like your friend was.

 

[PakPremi]

And France did not help them win independence - the Irish were on their own. If Kashmir can gain independence from India, I wish them all the luck in the world. However, it is not our war to fight.

Yet India helped Bangladesh for their independence

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

We are still ahead in per capita terms from Pakistan. Not on any blacklists. Fastest growing major economy. No we are not a superpower but we are far ahead of pakistan.

The only reason our economy is struggling is because we share a border with Afghanistan, this so called wat on terror has slowed our growth big time.

Maybe the indians can give Afghani refugees visas as they claim to be best friends, thats not going to happen is it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ind maybe a little ahead but with100's of millions in absolute poverty, you are hardly in a position to pretend that you are some superpower like your friend was.

We are not in a bailout situation. The latest report says that less than 100mn indians are below the poverty line. The largest number of poor are in Nigeria. Every year millions of Indians are taken out of poverty.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If India can help Bengalis get independence then why can't Pakistan help Kashmiris do the same?

Well Pakistan started the war. Isnt it? Or are you unaware of OP Chengiz khan?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yet India helped Bangladesh for their independence

Well Pakistan started the war. Isnt it? Or are you unaware of OP Chengiz khan?

 

[Swashbuckler]

Anyway no Islamic country can be "secular". Atheists or Hindus can if they want, but in Islam it's said that light and darkness don't have the same values, in fact darkness' only raison d'être is to make light appear more clearly, in the same way the non Muslims should be held in a perpetual state of submission to the Islamic authorities, to show the symbolic domination of Islam over the impure "spiritual" systems.

In medieval Islam the local Christian priest was slapped on public place when he used to give the jizya (tax) to the Muslim overlords.

If you don't understand the Islamic ways of governance you'll be unable to grasp why "secularism" means that Islam is no more "Islam" (etymologically).

If what you say is true how can Islam be a religion of peace? I think you are propagating a particular school of Islam here, maybe an extremist version.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Poor diplomacy by both sides, Indian MEA and Pak PM should have been more statesmanlike, this isn't kindergarten. One can make strong points without crossing the line, that too when these guys speak the whole world listens, so need to be more measured.

And what's with the classist (what is wrong with being a tea seller?) and racist (generalization of a whole country) diatribe here?

 

[Pakistanian]

Well Pakistan started the war. Isnt it? Or are you unaware of OP Chengiz khan?

India was infiltrating in Pakistan, arming and funding separatists before that operation. These are the same things y'all are accusing Pakistan of doing in Kashmir. If you support 'surgical strikes' in response that infiltration then this op changez or whatever is no different.

 

[venomousx]

Imran khan hasn't discovered anything new. BBC posted an article about Indian men being small in 2006.

 

[Bewal Express]

We are not in a bailout situation. The latest report says that less than 100mn indians are below the poverty line. The largest number of poor are in Nigeria. Every year millions of Indians are taken out of poverty.

Even if it’s a 100mn in absolute poverty, which seems a gross underestimate according to reports I have seen would send a countries public and elite into great self introspection but instead we have the Ind govt spending literally billions on defence equipment for ego reasons.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India was infiltrating in Pakistan, arming and funding separatists before that operation. These are the same things y'all are accusing Pakistan of doing in Kashmir. If you support 'surgical strikes' in response that infiltration then this op changez or whatever is no different.

So more than 10mn east pakistanis came into India. Why? Why despite requests pakistan took no action to take millions of its citizens back. So when these guys themselves were going back why will we stop them. You let your problems spill over into India then you blame India for trying to push these guys back.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Even if it’s a 100mn in absolute poverty, which seems a gross underestimate according to reports I have seen would send a countries public and elite into great self introspection but instead we have the Ind govt spending literally billions on defence equipment for ego reasons.

Why dont you give this suggestion to pakistan? They spend billions on army and then run to imf for a bailout.

Btw less than 100mn will be less than 10% of India's population.

 

[waqar goraya]

Some Indians giving a bizarre justification for India's U turn, which even Indian official stance does not provide.

Their official version gave altogether different reasons, some events which happened before India's acceptance for talks.

The chief logic given by Indian foreign office is that they have discovered the true face of IK. Thus nowhere they consider IK a non entity in Pakistan. On the other hand the statement of Indian foreign office attaches great importance to IK , albeit in a very negative way.

So, some Indians here are just doing what they usually do, justify any thing that their pious leader/government does, notwithstanding how off the mark they are.

 

[Pakistanian]

So more than 10mn east pakistanis came into India. Why? Why despite requests pakistan took no action to take millions of its citizens back. So when these guys themselves were going back why will we stop them. You let your problems spill over into India then you blame India for trying to push these guys back.

You sent them back with weapons and training, they changed from refugees to militants. This is no different from what India is accusing Pakistan of now. Also pretty much all these rebels in Kashmir actually local kashmiris, so Idk why you guys keep blaming Pakistan for them turning against India.

 

[PakLFC]

Is this prophecy part of the sahih hadiths?

It is an authentic hadith for sure mentioned by many Islamic scholars. Not sure what it's origin is.

 

[Darkrai]

Pakistan offered peace but India unreasonably declined. His anger and statement are justified and accurate when you consider how many people suffer because of these conflicts.